Seriously. I'm so fucking sick of U2 going to these poverty meetings and acting like they care for the poor people. FUCK YOU BONO, I HOPE YOU FALL OFF THE STAGE AND DIE.

I do believe this calls for a...

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Sorry, Cliffy, but what Bono and U2 are doing is far better than blowing all your $$$ up yer fucking nose, like Whitney "This is my land" Houston.

If U2 did this stuff truly out of the goodness of their hearts, I would support them. But to me it seems like they do this stuff for publicity. Care for the poor people great, I love it. But don't keep going on national TV looking for praise. Do it quietly. Self praise should be gratifying enough.

I agree Skelly. These guys are publicity whores. Why don't do they go on a 6 month poverty tour and donate all profits to Africa?

If U2 did this stuff truly out of the goodness of their hearts, I would support them. But to me it seems like they do this stuff for publicity. Care for the poor people great, I love it. But don't keep going on national TV looking for praise. Do it quietly. Self praise should be gratifying enough.

Giving a buck or two to a homeless man is self-rewarding.

Helping a people calls for attention.

Why the Holy fuck would U2 do anything humanitarian if they can't bring the media in on it to generate awareness and additional resources?

The concept is, Bono and U2 go and help the needy, people see or read about it, people get interested, people donate.

What you see as publicity, I see as "getting people involved".

at the risk of sounding disagreable, you two are full of shit. im not a huge u2 fan by any means, but U2 have been rocking the debt forgiveness message forever now (and have always been a socially conscience group).

and if you think theyre doing it for money/publicity, well, they make money comparable to the rollingstones.

at the risk of sounding disagreable, you two are full of shit. im not a huge u2 fan by any means, but U2 have been rocking the debt forgiveness message forever now (and have always been a socially conscience group).

and if you think theyre doing it for money/publicity, well, they make money comparable to the rollingstones.

Agreed.

Jesus Swat, anybody?????

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at the risk of sounding disagreable, you two are full of shit. im not a huge u2 fan by any means, but U2 have been rocking the debt forgiveness message forever now (and have always been a socially conscience group).
It's different when they're a popular group and they get main attention for their music. But they've been washed up forever now and I only see them on TV for charity stuff.

I'm not saying they shouldn't do charity stuff. The more charity stuff the better. But do it without trying to bring a spotlight on yourself.

at the risk of sounding disagreable, you two are full of shit. im not a huge u2 fan by any means, but U2 have been rocking the debt forgiveness message forever now (and have always been a socially conscience group).
It's different when they're a popular group and they get main attention for their music. But they've been washed up forever now and I only see them on TV for charity stuff.

I'm not saying they shouldn't do charity stuff. The more charity stuff the better. But do it without trying to bring a spotlight on yourself.

Washed up forever, eh? How many top ten singles off their last three albums....anybody....anybody....?

How many Grammy noms in the past 5 years.....anybody....Bueller?

Bono is the biggest hypocrite I've ever seen. Dude drives around in Limos, sleeps at the Ritz Carlton, and wears $500 sunglasses. Why doesn't he donate money from his tours where he charges $70 a ticket? All he does is ask other people for their money. The worst thing is when he speaks out on political issues. Nobody cares.

Bono is the biggest hypocrite I've ever seen. Dude drives around in Limos, sleeps at the Ritz Carlton, and wears $500 sunglasses. Why doesn't he donate money from his tours where he charges $70 a ticket? All he does is ask other people for their money. The worst thing is when he speaks out on political issues. Nobody cares.

You're being ridiculous.

Bono is the biggest hypocrite I've ever seen. Dude drives around in Limos, sleeps at the Ritz Carlton, and wears $500 sunglasses. Why doesn't he donate money from his tours where he charges $70 a ticket? All he does is ask other people for their money. The worst thing is when he speaks out on political issues. Nobody cares.


yep.

Bono is an ego maniac. All frontmen of rock n roll bands (and mainstream hip-hop) are that way, it's pretty much a required characteristic for superstardom. Anybody who thinks they can single handedly end poverty by performing a concerts where you stop the music to preach to a crowd is a fucking psycho. this Dude needs some medication.

Do you guys honestly think Bono is sincere?

Bono is the biggest hypocrite I've ever seen. Dude drives around in Limos, sleeps at the Ritz Carlton, and wears $500 sunglasses. Why doesn't he donate money from his tours where he charges $70 a ticket? All he does is ask other people for their money. The worst thing is when he speaks out on political issues. Nobody cares.

Yep. Nobody cares.

Except this little publication very few people read.

You might've heard of it.

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Do you guys honestly think Bono is sincere?

I remember back in the '80s, at the Us Festival, Bono climbed a 50 foot scaffolding at the side of the stage and attached a white flag to the top of it, symbolizing the wish for peace between Northern Ireland and England.

LOL@Denny for having little reading comprehension. I can't think of any person in my life or on this board that take Bono seriously except for Denny.

I think it's more than a publicity stunt - I believe he cares. He's also helped a helluva lot more people than any of us have - to shit on him for that is ridiculous. To say that he is being a hypocrite unless he is living in a gutter is ridiculous.

Most Americans and other wealthy nations like to pretend Africa doesn't exist. Seeing the pictures and hearing the deathtoll statistics makes them feel uneasy.

it make actually be better to pretend people don't exist then to pretend you are their savior.

so you guys would be happy if bono never said a word, gave away all his money and help 100 people (hypothetical number).

as opposed to vocally pushing an idea to the masses, as well as the governments of the entire world, and the IMF, keeping some of the money he earned, and helping a 1000 (also hypothetical)?

while it might be self serving for an athlete to tell the media about his charity, it also helps people out alot.

you guys cant seriously believe what your typing. imo, bono's cause is probably one of the most noble you could come up with.

ps: how do you guys feel about jesus? i mean, only a real asshole would go around telling people how to live their lives, right? and its fine that he died for his cause, but why should we care to read about it?

So what do we come away with in this thread? Bono=Jesus...




I mean, if his giving encourages others to give I'll admit I'm wrong. But I would never give money to charity because that's what Bono does.

JESUS OWNAGE!!!!
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With the risk of getting into a fight that I don't feel like fighting...I don't get why people are critical of anyone who lends their voice to a cause. I agree with B diddy on this.

That is not to say that Bono doesn't like the praise or isn't doing shit for self serving reasons instead of a pure act of goodeness. The fact remains his backing a cause furthers the cause 100 times more than a grass roots operation would. Therefore I don't care what the motive is if in some way it is helping people.

I couldn't care less if this helps him sell CD's if in some way people are getting help that they wouldn't be getting otherwise. Celebrities are media and attention whores no question it's the nature of there being.

As a person who used to work for the advertising company who did the Salvation Army ad campaigns, I have more of a problem the way charities are run. Donations given under the premise of going to help people were used to throw party's announcing the motto or slogan. That is a bigger waste or problem than if Bono backs a cause with a voice but not wth his tour or record proceeds.

I hate catch 22 elements of society. If Bono gave 99% of his entire earnings somebody would say he should have gave it all.

How many more people know about the problems in Africa because of Live 8, Live Aid or movies such as Hotel Rwanda than they would have without the attention celebrities gave to these issues? I am sure there are people who are that worldly without celebrities but that population is a lot smaller than those who were made aware by a concert or movie.

As usual JS says it all.

No matter what Bono does people aren't gonna be happy about it.

If he doesn't say anything then he's ignorant to the world and selfish and all that shit.

If he does help he's doing it for selfish reasons or to generate revenue for himself.

WTF?

For all anyone knows he actually gives a fuck.

Why the hate?

And if you're sick of seeing him on TV talking about this shit here's a tip:

Change the fucking channel

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thats uncool. i'm going to cali to protest the destruction for that state. after bill oreilly gets done with san fransisco i'm taking it all out.
I've already secretly planted a cell in a high level position.

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I'll give all WTF'ers besides Denny a chance to escape

As usual JS says it all.

No matter what Bono does people aren't gonna be happy about it.
i agree, maybe its because he knows mel gibson that they are on him hard. [smilie=anxious.gif]

I don't get some of you guys.

You'd rather have celebrities do nothing than have them use their fame to do good things?

Doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.

Michael Jordan always catches shit because he was "just a basketball player" and never took up a "cause". And I sort of agree with that, even as a Jordan fan.

When you have this kind of influence, to not use it for the betterment of society is a major waste, IMO.


p.s. Disclaimer- This message comes form a Bono/U2 fan.

One of the funniest things I've seen was in the Family Guy movie when Peter was stuck on an island with Bono, and they had a basket full of food, and Bono was like, "No Peter, we've got to save this food for the starvin' children."

"Well I'm starving!!"

"Sorry Peter, it's for the starvin' children."

As Peter looks away, Bono tries to sneak a bite of a sandwich...Peter catches him.

"Hey, what are you doing ya bastard?!"

"Oh, I'm just seein' if it tastes alright for the starvin' children."


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im not 100% sure on this, but im just going to also say what bono's cause is.

basically, the IMF lent money to african countries, and then charged the high interest rates on money that the countries simply cant afford to pay back. (his point is a good one, how can you justify this when the country is already broke? no one's interest is being served by strangling them with this debt over their head).

the money lent comes from countries in the UN, especially the US. i think in the early years, he tried to get citizens to donate, but lately i think he works directly with the governments.

anyway, its a very worthwhile cause.

I love U2.



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That is all.

Here's the thing that nobody wants to talk about:

There is enough money around right now that all those poor people that are starving could have homes, food and all the regular shit.

So why don't the governments get together and give it to them?

In fact, how about all those state Lotto winnings?

All the unclaimed money that sits in bank accounts around the world?

Who the fuck gets that cash.

Man I wish 2Pac was alive - he'd go fucking nuts on this.

There is too much money in the world for people to be poor, homeless and starving.

Guys like Bill Gates and Donald Trump are swimming in cash and there are people who don't have a place to sleep?

WTF kind of world is that?

Mad props to P for knowing that Pac was more than a "rider."

The world is fucked up man. I'd elaborate, but it's too depressing.

Well UncleCliffy, will you respond to all these posts?

Nope. Seems like people think that throwing money at Africa is going to help which it clearly isn't. But I'll let people go through with their hippie power trips about spreading love and peace to Africa.

I didn't want this thread to come to this because it looks like I'm anti-aid. I wanted this argument to be about Bono's sencerity vs. Bono's selling records. Of course it's not a bad thing to give millions to the poor.

Mad props to P for knowing that Pac was more than a "rider."

The world is fucked up man. I'd elaborate, but it's too depressing.

I'm not just some big dumb Aussie who beats up drunks in bars.

I love Pac and yes the world is fucked up.

That's why I'll never have a kid.

No offense to GD, Tay, Chris and everyone else that has kids but in this fucking world?

No way will I bring a child into this fucking place. If there was ever a time for the second coming then this has got to be it.

Billions of dollars on the planet and we've got millions starving every day?

Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

Lakers are worth $500 million. How many homeless fuckers are in LA alone?

Minimum NBA wage? $350,000+

WTF? Sit your ass on the bench and wave a towel. Carry my luggage and for that you get PAID!

How about the fire fighter or the cop? You think they make that much in a year? How about the teachers?

Fucking Arroyo makes $4,000,000 PER SEASON! Arroyo!

WTF

See, if I was black or some other minority then I could stand up and say all this shit and the minorities might look at me and give me love.

But I'm white and that means I'm the enemy and I don't understand and all that bullshit.

Fuck off with that - I know what's what.

Nope. Seems like people think that throwing money at Africa is going to help which it clearly isn't. But I'll let people go through with their hippie power trips about spreading love and peace to Africa.

You are right throwing money at issues never works as a whole. However not that many people are wiling to go to those places and see the mayhem and hell up close. If enough people saw despair they would get it and better solutions would arise, they would see the coruption and call for action. Those who are in power or have fame in this country cannot relate to the issue, they think not having money for things is the problem it is not. The problems of Africa are in the political and economic structures. People think of Africa as a 3rd world place because of Sally Struthers, it is not, it's growth is stunted by shitty policy.

However the fact remains some people get help, from people like Bono. It may not be solving the global problems but it is still helping.

As far as the hippie power trip bullshit...Look at Pharaoh's last post he brings out the fucked up nature of our existence, if we want to get down to the nitty gritty there would be no fun until all problems are solved. The fact is as long as there are people who are willing to bitch about people helping instead by offering up a solution and putting it into action the world won't change. Personally while I agree with Pharaoh, I would rather talk about trading Arroyo than about a dead child who was murdered by her parents because they wanted her piggie bank for drugs.

The problem is everything is simple we just make it complicated. While making it complicated we fuck up things worse.

See, if I was black or some other minority then I could stand up and say all this shit and the minorities might look at me and give me love.

But I'm white and that means I'm the enemy and I don't understand and all that bullshit.

Fuck off with that - I know what's what.

There is so much truth to that statement, you don't even know. We allow those barriers to exist and it prevents communication on both ends and I am not just talking black and white.

When I was down in NO the first few days that we were helping all people the same regardless if they were black or white. The people were just happy that people cared and were willing to help them. As more time passed and more media was allowed into the city the media started in with the Kanye West comments, and the fact that goverment wasn't fast enough. Now I agree the government fucked up, so I am not debating that. The media fueled the mob mentality and amde things worse. The same people who were greatful for the relief workers took exception to workers who were white and questioned our motives and in some cases refused help because of the color of my skin.