no word on if Davis wife was part of deal.

Per ESPN.

Ouch. How dare them. The Davises do want to raise their kids in the States.

This just a week after the Babcock firing. And guess what, the Knicks still suck. It will be interesting to see how Jalen and LB get along after what happened in Indy.

what happened in Indy? Zeke traded rose. not brown. And Rose eventually forgave him.

If this is a str8 up trade, i'm surprised.. you'd think the knicks would dump one of their own sg/sf in the deal. possibly crawford or ariza.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!

what happened in Indy?
Jalen was in LB's doghouse and they exchanged a few words to the media and what not. It happens everywhere LB goes. Just happened to be Jalen in Inidana.

I am surprised that Zeke didn't give up a first, instead he got one back. However the fact remains they still suck with Jalen Rose or not. Jalen Rose is a good sixth man, he is a jack of a ll trades master of none. At this point Jalen needs to be on a team like Detroit, Sa or Miami to have a great effect.

I don't get this deal to be honest for anybody but Toronto, they get cap room. With a good GM that could be all the difference in making them better. At this point Knicks are fucked, even if they go 19-19 over the last 38 they finish the season 33-49 way out of the playoffs even in the east, so I don't get this move on their part.

I wonder if not being able to trade Jalen, to get his contract off the books, had anything to do with this?

I guess we'll know if Jalen gets dealt in the near future.

http://wtfdetroit.com/viewtopic.php?t=781&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15



BAM!!!

Antonio Davis back in Toronto? Their fans bashed him pretty hard on his way out last time.

I wonder if they will just buy him out and then he can re-sign with Chicago?

Last year it was Mourning, now AD?

what happened in Indy?
Jalen was in LB's doghouse and they exchanged a few words to the media and what not. It happens everywhere LB goes. Just happened to be Jalen in Inidana.
are you sure about this. i could've sworn roise only played for Zeke in Indy. And that he fell into Zeke's dogghouse. when brown left they still had mark jackson and reggie miller starting i think.

what happened in Indy?
Jalen was in LB's doghouse and they exchanged a few words to the media and what not. It happens everywhere LB goes. Just happened to be Jalen in Inidana.
are you sure about this. i could've sworn roise only played for Zeke in Indy. And that he fell into Zeke's dogghouse. when brown left they still had mark jackson and reggie miller starting i think.

yes I am sure.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2317958


Knicks acquire Rose, first-round pick for Davis

ESPN.com news services

The New York Knicks have acquired Toronto Raptors guard/forward Jalen Rose and a first-round pick in exchange for power forward Antonio Davis, ESPN's Stephen A. Smith reports.

Davis was a likely target to be traded because of his expiring contract.

The Knicks have lost nine of their last 10 games.

The draft pick is supposed to be the Denver pick that was traded to New Jersey for Keyon Martin, then shipped to Toronto for Vince Carter, and now to New York along with Jalen Rose.

Yeah Brown and Rose had blow ups after the trade from Denver to get Rose. He didn't want Rose and they had many blow ups about Jalen's play versus what LB wanted. If it were not for LB packing his bags first Rose would have been dealt. It was Bird who embraced Rose and allowed him to be a player, when Zeke came in he didn't want to use Rose the same way Bird did. So that is why he ended up being moved to Chicago.

what happened in Indy?
Jalen was in LB's doghouse and they exchanged a few words to the media and what not. It happens everywhere LB goes. Just happened to be Jalen in Inidana.
are you sure about this. i could've sworn roise only played for Zeke in Indy. And that he fell into Zeke's dogghouse. when brown left they still had mark jackson and reggie miller starting i think.

yes I am sure.
ok for one season. very close, but he had one year with brown and made him quit.

more valuable info on the worst season of his life at www.jalenrose.com

Didn't Jalen want to play PG only under Zeke? I know that he idolizes Thomas (only as a player, I hope).

I remember that he was pretty upset when Thomas traded him. He said that he felt betrayed by his idol.

Didn't Jalen want to play PG only under Zeke? I know that he idolizes Thomas (only as a player, I hope).

I remember that he was pretty upset when Thomas traded him. He said that he felt betrayed by his idol.
yep, he wasnt what Isiah wanted. not the greatest passer.

I heard they made up awhile ago though.

and zeke has taken on another big contract. ouch.

Rumor has it that Zeke is close to a deal for Ratliff, where he will take on yet another shitty contract for an expiring one.

Good for Jalen. Welcome back to US and A.

So basically TO priced the first rounder at $16M(or whatever Rose will pull next year).

This is also interesting because AD was the liason between LB and the rest of his players. Did Zeke strike back at LB??

AD going back to TO should be interesting. On the court he'll be a solid fit with Boash, Villanueva and Co.

I wonder if he ever reports or there is an agreement to release him/buyout.

The trade deadline is so fun.

The first they gave up was the Denver pick they are owed. Right now it is the 22nd pick so it was a solid price to pay to be able to extend Mike James. Bosh said he wanted James back so they did this to clear up cash to make that possible. The first wasn't that high of a price IMO.

I think LB saw Davis as a guy to ease up his totalitarian government. he wanted to end that.

think about it. with Davis trying to soften LB up, they figured"fuck it, we can run to davis for support against LB", now its 100 percent LB.


but, the zeke trying to get LB to quit idea is interesting. I never heard Rose openly say he was cool with Brown. though he did express interest in playing with us last year. LB never expressed love for rose. and he'll express love for every damn body.

If anything Rose could be the biggest revolter. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

Rumor has it that Zeke is close to a deal for Ratliff, where he will take on yet another shitty contract for an expiring one.

The only chip the Knicks really have left is Penny Hardaway's expiring deal.

So I could see a Penny-Crawford package going to Portland for Theo and Darius Miles, whom the Knicks have coveted for a while now.

I'll note that this is only speculation by me.

LOL @ what could be Larry's team.

As it stands right now, the Knicks now have 3 UofM players on their roster.

Rose, Crawford & Mo Taylor

Rumor has it that Zeke is close to a deal for Ratliff, where he will take on yet another shitty contract for an expiring one.

The only chip the Knicks really have left is Penny Hardaway's expiring deal.

So I could see a Penny-Crawford package going to Portland for Theo and Darius Miles, whom the Knicks have coveted for a while now.

I'll note that this is only speculation by me.

That's an interesting deal. But I'd be suprised if Portland would do that. Joel Pryzbilla is up for a new contract, and if they are unable to re-sign him, they would have a gaping hole at center. Plus I see Darius Miles as much more valuable than Crawford. If Ruben Patterson was substituted for Darius Miles I think we have a closer deal. But by the way Portland and New York run their franchises anything is possible.

who cares about new york?

what about davis? toronto will cut him, im sure.

destinations? chicago? miami? indy? new jersey? san an? la?

he's still a pretty good player. if we can blame our loss last year on zeke giving san an mohammed, this year we might beable to do the same with AD.

The Raps also sent the Knicks $3 million in this deal.

what happened in Indy?
Jalen was in LB's doghouse and they exchanged a few words to the media and what not. It happens everywhere LB goes. Just happened to be Jalen in Inidana.
are you sure about this. i could've sworn roise only played for Zeke in Indy. And that he fell into Zeke's dogghouse. when brown left they still had mark jackson and reggie miller starting i think.

I'm pretty sure Larry Brown was coaching in Philly when Indy traded Rose.

Toronto got a slightly better part of the deal. If New York got the Raptors first rounder, then it would be a balanced trade. But, Jalen Rose makes 1.2 million dollars per ppg.

To clarify what happened between LB and Rose in Indy:

Jalen got the Darko treatement. Gutz posted the link to Jalen's site and I'm sure all the info you need is on his site somewhere.

The Jalen to Chicago trade was messy because Jalen had David Falk as his agent. Falk's most famous client? Michael Jordan. Obviously there was (still is?) bad blood between MJ and Zeke.

So if Falk is still Jalen's agent this trade is fucking funny and just keeps the soap opera thing going in NY.

And the first rounder NY is gonna get doesn't just cost them Jalen's salary next season. Because they are over the luxury tax it costs them double!

$35+ million for a mid first round pick? LMAO

And this trade (along with a potential Eric Williams trade) opens up plenty of cap space for the Raptors.

Their situation is looking better by the day and I'm now certain Babcock was fired because he refused to part with the Denver pick to move Jalen.

Babcock wanted all the picks he could get to build with young talent and he was willing to wait to have cap space.

Obviously ownership wasn't willing to wait and he was thrown out the door.

Hammond to Toronto? That would be interesting.

AD is likely to get bought out and go back to Chicago. If he goes elsewhere Miami or San Antonio might be the spot but don't count out Dallas

DUH!

I don't know why this didn't occur to me before, but it makes perfect sense to me now. It took my son wanting to get up at 5 am this morning for this to occur to me.

Antonio Davis to Chicago, Tim Thomas to the Raps

The salaries are almost a perfect match, both expiring deals.

It's almost too perfect to be a coincidence...

Well, it could happen but doesn't Thomas want to go somewhere he can "prove" his "value" for next season?

I doubt Toronto is the place for him, simply because they're looking to develop their young guys.

GD - can you find the "Hammond to Toronto" thread?

I think we might have to keep that around.

Well IMO, Davis won't want to be there, so if they are going to buy him out, there is no reason why they shouldn't take Thomas instead.

They could get a free look at him to see if they like him or not, he's not that old, so he could find a place in the Toronto youth movement.

There are a lot of people in the league that still think he can play.

If they did the deal soon, they could play him until the deadline and see if he can re-establish his value, then maybe they could flip him for somebody else. They could just give him the minutes that Jalen was getting.

I wonder if Joe D would look at Thomas to back up Tay if he gets waived by the Bulls?

He liked him once before.

I doubt Toronto have enough smart guys to do what you suggest.

Trade AD for Tim Thomas, play him straight away and then hope to trade him for someone else all while working the phones trying to deal Eric Williams?

Embry is 60+ and I doubt they have anyone else up there capable of doing anything.

It's a good idea though because if Thomas didn't fit they could still cut him by March and move on.

No real problem with their cap but I think they want Williams gone ASAP

Toronto might waive Davis, and Davis will sign with Chicago where he wanted to be in the first place. Possible scenario.

Toronto might waive Davis, and Davis will sign with Chicago where he wanted to be in the first place. Possible scenario.

That was discussed on page 1 of this thread, Skel.

I'm saying why buy him out when you can trade him for another useful expiring deal, like Tim Thomas.

I don't know how I feel about being on the same page as Sam Smith.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-0602040139feb04,1,5379652.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-%20hed&ctrack=1&cset=true


Antonio Davis' strange journey, welcome back?

Sam Smith
Published February 4, 2006

The strange odyssey of Antonio Davis, who was included reluctantly in the Bulls' trade of Eddy Curry to the New York Knicks, is likely to culminate in his returning soon to the Bulls, quite possibly for the exiled Tim Thomas.

Nothing has been talked about or agreed upon. The Knicks traded Davis to the Toronto Raptors on Friday for a first-round draft pick and Jalen Rose. But it's unlikely Davis will play for a non-playoff team in a city where he and his wife, Kendra, were controversial for negative comments about Canada during a previous stay.

When he left the Bulls last fall, the NBA supposedly prevented the Knicks from releasing him so he could come back to Chicago. Then, last month, the league suspended Davis for five games for entering the stands at the United Center to confront fans who he said he believed were a threat to his wife.

Davis' value as an aging 37-year-old veteran is not generally high, especially with the remainder of his $13.9 million contract something a team would have to assume in trade.

The Raptors could release Davis, but that might prove unpopular. The team was criticized and general manager Rob Babcock recently was fired, in part, for letting Alonzo Mourning go after the Vince Carter trade. The Raptors are saying they look toward Davis as a veteran who will help their young players and that Davis won't walk away from the last season of his most lucrative contract.

Because Davis lives in the Chicago area, wants to return to the Bulls and hopes to work for the organization after his playing career is over, here's a likely scenario:

The Bulls trade Thomas to the Raptors for Davis because their salaries are almost equal. It doesn't seem likely the Bulls will get a better offer for Thomas, who also was in the Curry trade, after all this time.

The Raptors don't necessarily need Thomas with a young team and might release him so he can catch on with a contender. Perhaps they could pick up a few hundred thousand dollars from a buyout. Thomas makes about $100,000 more than Davis, so the Bulls could make that up and throw in a second-round draft pick.

With two first-round draft picks this year and a young roster, the Bulls hardly need second-round picks. The Bulls would love to have Davis back to fortify their front-line defense and lend support to Tyson Chandler. And the Raptors could come away with a savings of about $14 million (the difference between Rose's 2006-07 contract and about $3 million in cash to the Knicks), cash from the Bulls and a draft pick.

Davis could be in a Bulls uniform as early as next week because the Bulls have an open roster spot.

Though this could be one of those "all's well that ends well" deals, Davis' saga is a classic NBA insider's take of intrigue in the sports world.

Davis had to be included in the Curry trade to make the contracts match under convoluted league salary-cap rules even though the Bulls didn't want to give him up. When it got out that Davis said he was hoping to return to the Bulls because the Knicks were a young team and his family was settled in Chicago, the league interpreted media reports about it as a prearranged deal between the teams. There was no proof or evidence of any such deal or even such discussions.

But the Bulls never have been league favorites because of the team's long-ago suit against the NBA to stay on superstation WGN-TV and the organization's lack of interest in a WNBA team.

So, despite denials from both teams, the league quietly informed the Knicks there would be penalties if they released Davis and he returned to the Bulls. The league couldn't officially stop it and Davis is president of the players' association, so he likely would have won a grievance.

But at the time Davis didn't want to move yet again and the Knicks, under one of Davis' former coaches, Larry Brown, assured Davis they wouldn't uproot him against his will. The Knicks wanted to play their younger interior players more and didn't want Davis on the roster, but they feared league retribution.

But things change, and with the Knicks in a downward spiral amid losing, charges of sexual harassment against team President Isiah Thomas and Brown under assault from the New York media and inside the team, the Knicks were motivated to add a veteran like Rose. Rose can handle the ball, and he comes with a first-round pick that can replace the one the Knicks gave up to the Bulls to acquire Curry. That pick originally was Denver's, which New Jersey had before dealing it to Toronto in the Carter trade with protection believed to be top five.

The Knicks-Raptors deal had been talked about for months, but Toronto, under previous general manager Babcock, was demanding draft protection up to 25. All of this means the Knicks almost certainly will get the pick this year. The Knicks had been offering Penny Hardaway instead of Davis. But the Raptors had to know there's no market for Hardaway, but they can get something for Davis. And they should soon from the Bulls.

lol@GD and Smith being buddies.

This is the second time you've posted an article from Smith backing up your opinion.

Does it make you feel weird that he thinks like you?

Rumor has it that Zeke is close to a deal for Ratliff, where he will take on yet another shitty contract for an expiring one.

The only chip the Knicks really have left is Penny Hardaway's expiring deal.

So I could see a Penny-Crawford package going to Portland for Theo and Darius Miles, whom the Knicks have coveted for a while now.

I'll note that this is only speculation by me.


Hollinger must be reading here, lol.


Brooks (Portland): Why don't the Blazers just give the Knicks Theo Ratliff and Miles for Hardaway? I mean, don't we need the cap room and isn't Isaih is willing to throw in Ariza?

John Hollinger: (3:33 PM ET ) The sticking point here is Miles -- the Knicks want him, the Blazers don't want to give him up unless New York sweetens the pot. But yes, that's the basic framework of the discussiions.