Brown fined for not leaving court in timely manner

NEW YORK -- Knicks coach Larry Brown was fined $20,000 on Thursday by the NBA for failing to leave the court in a timely manner after he was ejected from New York's 130-97 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers.

Brown was thrown out for arguing with referee Steve Javie in the third quarter Tuesday night after New York was called for a flagrant foul and a technical within a two-minute span.

Brown was ejected during a timeout, picking up two quick technicals. He then walked onto the floor right up to Javie to continue the argument before being pulled away.

"I didn't curse him," Brown said Wednesday, before the fine was handed down. "I hadn't talked to him the whole game. Obviously he thought I went over the line and that's his prerogative. Those things happen. It's the first game I got kicked out."

Brown did not speak to reporters after the Lakers game.

"I don't think after getting kicked out of the game you can be real objective, so I thought that was better," he said after practice Wednesday. "I don't think it would have been appropriate for me to say anything after the way I felt after that game."

New York has lost three straight games and nine of 10.


Hard to disrespect the guy after all he did, but I can't resist.

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He should swallow his pride and just fucking retire. When you get classless like that you know you shouldn't even be coaching anymore.

Larry the target of players' shots
Unite as team against coach

As Larry Brown turned left at Woody Allen's seat and accelerated past Isiah Thomas and Magic Johnson in the tunnel, one Knick turned to his teammates and announced: "Now we can start playing ball."

Just when you thought it couldn't get any uglier at Madison Square Garden, a growing rift between the players and their Hall of Fame coach is beginning to surface. How bad is it? Let's just say it's safe to assume that no one in the locker room is going to take up a collection to pay Brown's fine for being ejected in the third quarter of Tuesday's humiliating 130-97 loss to the Lakers.


The Knicks are in disarray from top to bottom with no relief - or playoff games - in sight. Thomas, the team president, is embroiled in a sexual harassment lawsuit that gets messier each day. The team has lost nine of its last 10 games and is 14-30 overall.


And inside the locker room, where confusion and frustration reign, the players are fed up with Brown beating them down privately and publicly, according to several team sources. Following Monday's loss to Atlanta, Brown accused the players of quitting. Two days earlier, he was highly critical of Eddy Curry's performance in a loss to Philadelphia.


That's why few players were sorry to see the coach ejected with 5:46 remaining in the third quarter Tuesday night. According to a source, as Brown walked to the locker room, at least two players half-jokingly commented that the team was free to play how it wanted.


In the aftermath of the 33-point loss to the Lakers, the Knicks met for two hours at their training facility yesterday, but the players were not made available. Thomas and Garden chairman James Dolan were also in Greenburgh and were said to be in meetings with Brown. Both Dolan and Thomas were off limits to the press as well.


People close to Dolan continue to stress that the Garden chief has faith in Thomas even though that loyalty is being tested. Under Thomas, the Knicks haven't won a playoff game and are working on their third straight losing season. Thomas has convinced Dolan that he is rebuilding and yet the Chicago Bulls own the Knicks' first-round pick this June, which is almost certain to be a lottery selection. Also, the payroll is at a league-high $120 million and climbing.


Thomas acquired every player on the roster and their performance under Brown has done little to enhance the team president's job security. It also can't help that Brown has used 27 starting lineups and that he has been openly critical of the players, something that neither Don Chaney nor Lenny Wilkens dared to do under Thomas.


Likewise, it can't help Brown that his players all have a pipeline to Thomas. In the past, Thomas' role as a buffer and friend to certain players ticked off those Knicks who were leftovers from previous regimes. Now Brown is the outsider.


With Thomas being such a powerful presence around the team it would seem only logical that Brown would have problems gaining command of the locker room, even though he has a proven track record. According to a source, the players are convinced that Brown is looking to move most of them and would do just that if given the power. Hence, the players are loyal to Thomas, which could lead to a Brown-Thomas showdown.


Stephon Marbury's problems with Brown have been well-documented, and if nothing else, the point guard is not afraid to tell his side of the story. The same is true of second-year forward Trevor Ariza, who two weeks ago requested a meeting with Brown only to be denied.


But many of their teammates who have also felt the brunt of Brown's demanding ways - Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, Curry and Jerome James - have exercised restraint.


The lines of communication appear to be closing. Following yesterday's film session, Brown admitted that Antonio Davis delivered a message from the team that they want the staff to simplify the way they are to defend pick-and-rolls.


"He was the spokesperson," Brown said. "Tony knows me."


Davis played for Brown with the Indiana Pacers and acts as a liaison between the players and the coach. Of course, Thomas had serious reservations about bringing in Davis, who was included in the Curry deal. Perhaps Thomas felt threatened because of Davis' relationship with the new coach. Now, Brown needs Davis more than ever.


"You can say almost anything to Tony Davis because he's been with me and there is a trust," Brown said of his tough-love approach. "And then with some, they might not listen to what you're saying, they might just hear your voice."


You have to wonder how many Knicks hear anything now.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/387722p-329005c.html

I am glad somebody started this thread. I think it deserves a seperate thread from the Knicks.

Seriously this not coming from bitterness or anger towards LB, but why is he coaching the Knicks? It is obvious that at this point in time he needs to be coaching a team that needs him to put them over the top or a team like Cha, ATL or TO where he can build around youth and a decent cap number. It seems like he is preparing to use his health as an out, for the rest of the season or as a total out from the Knicks soon. I find that funny he is claiming poor health , (don't get me wrong if he is sick I hope he regains his health I don't wish poor health on anyone) because if he does miss anytime all he does is prove the Pistons right in letting him go. LB said that health was no longer an issue, and the Pistons just didn't want him, Joe's stance was LB told him his health could cause time off and didn't want a second season of distraction.

I mean how much better of a job is he doing for 10 million per year than what Herb Williams could do for 1/10 of that? I know we are only 44 games into year 1 with the Knicks but I think his reputation has caught up with him.

Many close to the Knicks players are saying they don't respect him. Many of the player believe that if they navigate the rough waters now a new coach will be on the way since LB doesn't stay long. I think the vets realize if they buy in and play the right way it won't matter since LB will still take off.

In addition the media is saying they need to make a bunch of trades to bring in LB guys. Can you really say he is capable of turning things around if the Knicks have to trade away the team to get LB his guys? Does it prove he is a good coach and not a great one if he can't get guys to buy in? Some have suggested Ratliff and Snow cold be headed to NY, I mean seriously how bad off are you that you are willing to take back those shit deals to win a handful of games?

You guys all have issues. Why do you hate LB so much? Because the pistons fired him?


Why do you care about LB so much?


If he never coached the pistons would you be posting every time He takes a dump?


LOL @ You guys for caring so much.

I can't believe that it took so long for a thread like this here.

Larry is a strange guy, no doubt, but worrying about him is pointless.

And I'm still not sure why he received boos when he was here earlier in the year. It's like breaking up with a girl, dating another one, but still talking shit about your ex-girlfriend. As soon as the ex-girlfriend finds out that you're talking shit, she'll know you still care about her and are still hurt. The best thing is to just let it go.

Larry was a big reason as to why the Pistons won a championship, and we should remember him for that.

Now we're in the Flip era, and I definitely like where this is going.

And I'm still not sure why he received boos when he was here earlier in the year.

he got a mixture of cheers, standing ovations, and loud boos. considering how everything ended up so messy, i'm not surprised at all by the mixed reactions.

And I'm still not sure why he received boos when he was here earlier in the year.

he got a mixture of cheers, standing ovations, and loud boos. considering how everything ended up so messy, i'm not surprised at all by the mixed reactions.

You're right, I can understand it. I just don't agree with it. I wish people would just remember what he did, and not what he didn't do.

Larry is a strange guy, no doubt, but worrying about him is pointless.

And I'm still not sure why he received boos when he was here earlier in the year. It's like breaking up with a girl, dating another one, but still talking shit about your ex-girlfriend. As soon as the ex-girlfriend finds out that you're talking shit, she'll know you still care about her and are still hurt. The best thing is to just let it go.

Larry was a big reason as to why the Pistons won a championship, and we should remember him for that.

Now we're in the Flip era, and I definitely like where this is going.

Thats crap. Well, maybe not for some who harbor resentment but for me, thats crap.

I pay attention to him because he's a former Piston. Just like I still pay attention when Atkins, Memo, Croliss, James, Woodson, Zelly and a handful of other guys are in the news. LB is in the news all the time since NY pumps out as much as they can, so I pay attention often. And generally the news about about LB is more entriguing than how Woodson is beffuddled in ATL or how Corliss is still uncertain about why he isn't getting any burn.

It's an entertaining situation to keep an eye on. No one gets to feel morally superior just because they don't follow it.

Thats crap. Well, maybe not for some who harbor resentment but for me, thats crap.

I pay attention to him because he's a former Piston. Just like I still pay attention when Atkins, Memo, Croliss, James, Woodson, Zelly and a handful of other guys are in the news. LB is in the news all the time since NY pumps out as much as they can, so I pay attention often. And generally the news about about LB is more entriguing than how Woodson is beffuddled in ATL or how Corliss is still uncertain about why he isn't getting any burn.

It's an entertaining situation to keep an eye on. No one gets to feel morally superior just because they don't follow it.

I didn't say you can't know what's going on with Larry, but don't hold a grudge. You're right, he's a former Piston, which means you should hope for the best for him (as long as it's not against Detroit) like you do with Atkins, Memo, Corliss, James, Woodson, etc. I'm not saying root for the Knicks, but don't wallow in Larry's pain. He's an idiot for wanting out of Detroit, but the Pistons are on to something special now. Let's not waste it thinking about Larry Brown.

I definately agree with that.

It seems that Detroit is Bittertown, USA.

this is a what have you done for me lately society all around. he'd probally get more boos somewhere else. this isnt a Detroit thing. in fact i thought we responded better than most would. you think the knicks fans woulda even half way cheered for him leaving under those circumstances.

i have no beef with LB at all myself. i think he did alot in helping this team grow. some people are bent on denying that but its true. I find only ironic humor in his NYK mishaps. he called it a dream job and that is the perfect set up for irony. but he's one of the higher paid coaches in the league at his dream job so i dont have too much remorse for his troubles.

LOL @ You guys for caring so much.

LOL @ You for caring so much to make a post about us caring so much.

So Larry, how's your dream job going?

Everyone seems to forget he's making $10 mil a year so its not like he has any regrets.

Plus his buyout from Mr. Davidson...

It seems that Detroit is Bittertown, USA.


Sure does.


Really, drop it already. He's in NY, we have Flip and we're the best team in this solar system. Why do you need to worry if Brown is doing ok or not?

It seems that Detroit is Bittertown, USA.


Sure does.


Really, drop it already. He's in NY, we have Flip and we're the best team in this solar system. Why do you need to worry if Brown is doing ok or not?

Why are you so worried about it? I personally couldn't care less about Brown, but if it really irked me I wouldn't be reading this thread. As far as I know, this is a forum for NBA-related news, and Larry Brown is NBA-related news. I know I don't go into the NHL forum and tell the 2 people there to stop posting because I don't like hockey threads.

I'm asking a question, why do people care? Its a real question. I'm not telling them to stop posting, i'm just wondering why they care about LB so much.

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AG - I'll answer your question:

Some people care about LB because he helped us win the title and got us to the Finals 2 years in a row.

They don't want to see him fall in a heap in NY because they have fond memories of him helping us and aren't into the hater bullshit like some.

Some people were very, very pro LB until the news starting coming out about NY and Cleveland. Some people were overly in love with the guy and would defend everything he did. Some of those people now must feel like a woman scorned.

Those guys want him to suffer and regret leaving us.

And at the end of the day it doesn't really matter which group you're in you have some feeling on LB.

And that's why he'll always be a topic.

I wish some would start a Flip thread. I remember some people weren't happy we hired him.

Wonder how they feel now.