Alright, I've gotten the sense that this forum is heavy in the Yellow and Blue slapdick department. I've also found, that while the U-M basketball thread stretches for pages and pages, Spartan fans have no home of their own. So here and now I start one. [smilie=beer.gif]

Michigan may have won a battle last Wednesday but the war is far from over. I actually find myself quite satisfied that Michigan has returned to a level of national prominence with high hopes down the front of their pants. I mean how satisfying is it to actually clobber your rival when before the game starts you know they don't even belong in the ring with you. [smilie=beer.gif]

And as the month of January winds down and March grows to but 1 calendar month away, I smell a scent of Madness in the air. I know this aroma well as I've found myself overcome by it on many occasions. Sometimes it lasts for a day, sometimes for weeks, but no matter how long you have it you always want more. This is what Spartan basketball is about, the Guts and Glory of wanting more. Many programs could have ridden the coattails of three final 4's in a row but not this one. To be satisfied with those three successful tournament runs would've been easy. However, this program didn't and still doesn't want easy, it wants tough. As our heralded Commander / Coach so eloquently has stated, PP-TPW. [smilie=beer.gif]

This abbreviation needs no explanation for those who truly bleed Green and love White. [smilie=beer.gif]

Some may find me aloof, others may label me pompous, but I assure you that with these traits comes a level of rational behavior. I will not run when my Mighty Spartans fall but instead appear for my 40 lashes. To not do so would leave me to be found lacking in all the qualities my Basketball team holds so dear. And to embark on this grand journey of Spartan hardcourt pride, I leave you all to post words of admiration or hate within this very thread. But before such writing occurs I ask the following triumphant poem is here read...... [smilie=beer.gif]

On the banks of the Red Cedar, Is a school that's known to all,
Its specialty is winning, And those Spartans play good ball,
Spartan Teams are never beaten, All thru the game they fight,
Fight for the only colors, Green and White,

Go right thru for M S U, Watch the points keep growing,
Spartan teams are bound to win, they're fighting with a vim, Rah! Rah! Rah!
See their team is weakening, We're going to win the game,
Fight! Fight! Rah! Team Fight! Victory for M S U,
[smilie=beer.gif]

And upon hearing the news that a MSU basketball thread had been started here @ WTF, Mr. Alan Anderson promptly goes out and leads the Bobcats in scoring this evening. [smilie=2thumbsup.g: [smilie=applause.gi:

On the banks of the Red Cedar, Is a school that's known to all,
Its specialty is winning, And those Spartans play good ball,
Spartan Teams are never beaten, All thru the game they fight,
Fight for the only colors, Green and White,

Go right thru for M S U, Watch the points keep growing,
Spartan teams are bound to win, they're fighting with a vim, Rah! Rah! Rah!
See their team is weakening, We're going to win the game,
Fight! Fight! Rah! Team Fight! Victory for M S U,

I hate to rain on the MSU parade, and I will try not to post in this thread, but that is just not a good fight song.

I hate to rain on the MSU parade, and I will try not to post in this thread, but that is just not a good fight song.

Not at all my friend, please post in here as much as you want. All opinions are welcome. I seriously doubt that you will say anything that I or any Spartan hasn't heard before.

You are right this is a maize and blue dick slapping session on WTF. And they get pissed if you come strong with Spartan opinions. You'll find comments like, I don't come here much anymore cuz of guys like Tre.

Whatever.

Glad you started this thread. But, I'm not sure if we really need it because...

Doesn't Michigan now "own" basketball? haha Isn't the world crumbling now that we've lost our 2nd game to UM in the last 14? haha They are going to take over and MSU basketball is through as we know it. All because of one game! Jokers

It'll be nice to come to a thread that consists of fans that aren't proud of NIT's or beating their rival 5% of the time they face them.

Doesn't Michigan now "own" basketball? haha Isn't the world crumbling now that we've lost our 2nd game to UM in the last 14? haha They are going to take over and MSU basketball is through as we know it. All because of one game! Jokers


Wow you sure did make it seem like the end of the world in your "my tought" thread. Seriously, you are a fucking wanker. You cannot be so upset and whine as much as you did and then come here now and tell us it didnt matter.

Glad to see your girlfriend gave your balls back.


Art

Wow you sure did make it seem like the end of the world in your "my tought" thread. Seriously, you are a fucking wanker. You cannot be so upset and whine as much as you did and then come here now and tell us it didnt matter.

Glad to see your girlfriend gave your balls back.


Art

A loss of such emotion can be rough on the psyche so ease up a little on my Spartan brethren. Do you mind if I refer to you as Regner? He's the only Art I know of and you share many of the same qualities. Don't take this as necessarily a bad thing, lord knows I wouldn't want you calling me a wanker.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.....PWNED!

You are right this is a maize and blue dick slapping session on WTF. And they get pissed if you come strong with Spartan opinions. You'll find comments like, I don't come here much anymore cuz of guys like Tre.

Whatever.

Glad you started this thread. But, I'm not sure if we really need it because...

Doesn't Michigan now "own" basketball? haha Isn't the world crumbling now that we've lost our 2nd game to UM in the last 14? haha They are going to take over and MSU basketball is through as we know it. All because of one game! Jokers

It'll be nice to come to a thread that consists of fans that aren't proud of NIT's or beating their rival 5% of the time they face them.

The Yellow and Blue fan base can be taxing at times. Odin knows I've had my head butting sessions with the fine fans of A2. As an Ivy League stepchild the University of Michigan produces alumni and fans that are headstrong and stubborn. Sometimes for the better - cancer research, and sometimes for the worst - Chris Webber. Best to take their gracious banter with a grain of salt though, blood pressure can be a fickle thing.

Maybe these will make you feel better

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Doesn't Michigan now "own" basketball? haha Isn't the world crumbling now that we've lost our 2nd game to UM in the last 14? haha They are going to take over and MSU basketball is through as we know it. All because of one game! Jokers


Wow you sure did make it seem like the end of the world in your "my tought" thread. Seriously, you are a fucking wanker. You cannot be so upset and whine as much as you did and then come here now and tell us it didnt matter.

Glad to see your girlfriend gave your balls back.


Art

WOW! [smilie=schuss.gif]

Wow you sure did make it seem like the end of the world in your "my tought" thread.

Can you read?! How many fucking times do I have to ask a Wolverine to reread something I wrote. [smilie=404.gif] Those weren't my words in the "thoughts" thread. It probably wasn't the best title.

That was an article I posted retard.

Thanks for the pics Nick, you da man

I must say I'm going through a bit of withdrawal. Watching relatively competitive games between Iowa/Purdue and Michigan/PSU last night has me thirsting for Sparty ball. (Duke/BC too but Duke = [smilie=yuck.gif] so I move on)

3 big games on-tap for MSU as NW, Purdue, and Minny should all be W's. Ask Indiana though what they think about playing in the barn. Focus is needed, 3 straight wins and the Spartans are in position to make a run at the Conference crown. A Big Ten championship is starting to mean a little more to me. MSU hasn't raised such a banner in quite some time and even though March matters most it would be nice to have a celebration for the seniors on the Breslin floor.

So shake out the cobwebs Paul and get back in the game! [smilie=baby.gif] Time to get the wheels turning on this Final Four train.

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Sonny is in for a Big Ten title run.

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Sparty's in too.

A Big Ten championship is starting to mean a little more to me. MSU hasn't raised such a banner in quite some time and even though March matters most it would be nice to have a celebration for the seniors on the Breslin floor.

Why are tournament runs that end up in Final Four's or Elite Eight's considered more appealing than winning a Big Ten championship. Personally, I think the grind of the Big Ten is tougher than making a run in the tournament. If you get hot for 4 games, you go to the final four, where in the Big Ten, you have to be consistent for like 14 games, or however many you play. I just feel that Sparty's don't respect the Big Ten title as much as they do getting an Elite Eight banner, that honestly, doesn't really mean jack shit.

A Big Ten championship is starting to mean a little more to me. MSU hasn't raised such a banner in quite some time and even though March matters most it would be nice to have a celebration for the seniors on the Breslin floor.

Why are tournament runs that end up in Final Four's or Elite Eight's considered more appealing than winning a Big Ten championship. Personally, I think the grind of the Big Ten is tougher than making a run in the tournament. If you get hot for 4 games, you go to the final four, where in the Big Ten, you have to be consistent for like 14 games, or however many you play. I just feel that Sparty's don't respect the Big Ten title as much as they do getting an Elite Eight banner, that honestly, doesn't really mean jack shit.

I should clarify myself. A Big Ten championship is starting to mean more to me than it used to. To tell you the truth I will trade a BT Championship any day for a Final Four berth (not Elite Eight, they don't raise banners for those just so you know). I would finish 2nd to Michigan in the Big Ten every year if I got a Final Four berth to go with it. I guess I'm at a loss for words as to why this really is.

I suppose the best way to describe it is by using the Steelers and Bengals from this past season. Bengals won the division, great season no doubt, no taking away from that accomplishment at all. Steelers are in the Super Bowl. Which would you rather be? There's a reason they call the Tournament the Big Dance my friend, it's the end all be all in this sport.

Well, congratulations on being the Buffalo Bills then.

Jethro, the Bills never won it all. I believe we did.
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Nice try.

Polish, you make a good point. Here is the order of preference of most major programs. 1) National Championship 2) Final Four 3) Conference Championship

I would never ever trade a BT Title for an Elite 8 appearance. But, I would trade a BT Title every single time for a Final Four. It's just more significant. Every game means so much, the teams are playing the hardest they've played all year, everything is on the line, and the entire Nation is watching. You can get hot. But, how many teams get hot and beat the likes of Duke and Kentucky in the same week like State did. The Final Four brings you hardware, a banner, and huge publicity that helps your program big time.

Therefore, a BT title is great. But, it doesn't compare to a Final Four. Those are just so hard to come by.

And the Bills won their division and conference anyway.

Ok, Dolphins of the 70's and 80's? Oh wait, nope, they won twice. Either way, aside from the one year, after that they were known as a team that couldn't finish (sounds like Michigan football - I keep telling you they're the same) I know, Michigan basketball is the Ravens (one win amongst a whole bunch of crap), but that's not what this argument is about.

Well, congratulations on being the Buffalo Bills then.

I'm pretty easy going but this is the most assinine statement I've read on this board. It stinks of jealousy and is ignorant in nature. I try and explain myself and the Spartans logically, however Jethro seems to be content with wandering in a forest of idiocy. If an argument was needed in this case I expected a better one from him.

I will not even explain why this comparison is wrong as I feel everyone on this board is bright enough to already know.

Yeah Nick, we got it. First, you one once. Second, they did it 4 times in 4 years while you needed a three year break. Third, Andre Reed was a lot cooler than MoPete.

Yeah Nick, we got it. First, you one once. Second, they did it 4 times in 4 years while you needed a three year break. Third, Andre Reed was a lot cooler than MoPete.

Do you think my dissapointment in MSU not winning the National Championship each time they have made the Final Four should outweigh the pride stemming from making those Final Fours and winning the title 1 of those times?

You seem to think I'm bragging up MSU basketball over UofM football. I'm not. MSU basketball is in a slightly better place right now success wise. However, Michigan football is the most storied College football team in the land. It would take a number of years that follow current trends for MSU basketball to pass Michigan football in Overall National Status.

I hope this will eliminate the continued tongue-in-cheek statements you seem to think pass for logic or humor.

Ok, Dolphins of the 70's and 80's? Oh wait, nope, they won twice. Either way, aside from the one year, after that they were known as a team that couldn't finish (sounds like Michigan football - I keep telling you they're the same) I know, Michigan basketball is the Ravens (one win amongst a whole bunch of crap), but that's not what this argument is about.

2 teams have 'finished' it more often than us in the past 10 years. UConn has 2 titles, as does UK('98 and '96 mind you), everyone else has 1. Go back to 15-20 years, and Duke pops up, along with UNC.

MSU has more final 4's and elite 8's in the past 10 years than anybody, so if we aren't elite, who is?

I don't understand why you continually try to convince people that Final Fours aren't special Jethro.

Everyone in the world knows how great it is to make one. You aren't going to convince anybody.

You talk about "finishing." Well, Duke is as good as it gets in college basketball right? They've only "finished" 3 times in the history of their program. MSU-twice. So I guess nobody, even Duke, lives up to your standards Jethro.

And yet you expect (you meaning Tre, not Nick or anyone else) Michigan to do even more before you give them (until one post earlier today) ANY credit. THAT is what it's all about.

Any Michigan fan would glady trade our last 10 seasons on the hardwood for State's. Of course we would. We would brag about our final fours and talk like our shit didn't stink. But hopefully we would still give credit to other programs in other sports that experienced success. Hopefully we would also stay realistic that we are a great team, but not a dynasty full of stunnas lead by a coach that walks on water.

I believe this is the MSU Basketball Forum isn't it? Why do you keep dragging on this comparison to UM Football? This isn't the UM Not Elite thread.

And no, I don't expect UM to do more. I expect them to win a big game once in awhile on the field and finish in the Top 5 like MSU. I've stated that from day one.

Sam (Detroit): If the Spartans make another amazing run in the tourney, any chance Shannon Brown go into the draft?

Chad Ford: I like Brown quite a bit and am warming up to his pro prosects. He's having an awesome year. He's undersized, but he's athletic and long enough that it shouldn't matter too much. However, given the year that Maurice Ager and Paul Davis are having ... I think he's probably better off staying out of the draft this year and proving during his senior season (with Davis and Ager in the NBA) that he can be a go to guy. I think he's capable of that (he's had a number of games where he's been the best Spartan on the floor), but he's got to show it without those other two.

I know i am a dick, but I do like to share when something for the Sparties come up.


Enjoy


Art

Going into the season I said he's gone. But, I think he's smart enough to know that he needs to improve his ball handling, shooting still.

If he stays, he keeps MSU from having a big down year. He bridges the gap into the studs come in. I'd be excited.

Going into the season I said he's gone. But, I think he's smart enough to know that he needs to improve his ball handling, shooting still.

If he stays, he keeps MSU from having a big down year. He bridges the gap into the studs come in. I'd be excited.

Agreed. With Tre? Whuuuuuuut? [smilie=drunk22.gif]

Well, except for the end part. I'm definitely not excited about it.

Shannon Brown is FREAKING SICK!!!!!! Did you see that dunk last night? The dude is a lock as the next Spartan to become NBA Slam Dunk Champion when the time comes!

Until then, I hope he continues to put on a show, work on his handles, and get ready for a stellar senior year.

He's been my favorite Spartan since the day he stepped on to campus!

Go State!

That SB dunk was a Charles Barkley CLASSIC.

I know what ya mean, but Barkley never got that high in his dreams.

Yeah Charles didn't have a 45"+ kangaroo vertical like Shannon but he was the king of the two-hand, ball cocked behind your head throw down.

http://www.astropix.com/SPORTSPIX/BBALL/BARKLEY.JPG

Yea, I knew that was what you were referring to. Look at the big round mound get up! Not bad! [smilie=applause.gi:

Aaahhhh GameDay. Gotta love it, and ya gotta love being back at the Brez. Hopefully Paul Davis won't bump his head on the top bunk getting up this morning. Even with him I already know Kiefer is going to piss me off at least 3 times tonight.

Hard to get overly excited about playing Purdue, easy to get overly nervous about some type of monumental letdown. Goin to work, taking care of business, doing what needs to be done. That's how these games against Purdue and Minny seem to me. Win the next 2, then every game becomes the biggest of the year until April 4th.

Just how we like it. [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

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VISITORS, ahem I mean VICTIMS WELCOME [smilie=welcome.gif]

WARNING: DO NOT MAKE THIS MAN ANGRY

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Terrific win for the Spartans last night. Every win is big now in the BT. With that Iowa loss last night, we are in first place with teams like Ohio St., Michigan, Wisconsin, and Illinois all having to visit The Brez. Perfect situation!

Did everybody see Sportscenter after the game? MSU is the only team in the nation to have 3 guys averaging 18 pts or more! That is freaking awesome. On top of that, the entire time they showed the highlights of the game, a guy in the background (can't remember which it was) kept saying, "Final Four Team" I'm tellin' ya right now, "This is your Final Four team." Ya gotta feel it!
[smilie=llama_banan:

On top of that, the entire time they showed the highlights of the game, a guy in the background (can't remember which it was) kept saying, "Final Four Team" I'm tellin' ya right now, "This is your Final Four team." Ya gotta feel it!
[smilie=llama_banan:

I'm pretty sure it was Scott Van Pelt.

On top of being an ESPN anchor, the guy is a big time gambler in Vegas. He's a couple steps below being considered a "whale" in sin city. Hopefully he knows his shit because I sure as hell think he does.

yup, you are right

It was him.

What the hell is your banana riding?

What the hell is your banana riding?

I believe it's a short legged llama.

Tomorrow is huge for the Spartans. A win on the road at Minnesota and we are off and running. That would keep us in first place, give us a rare BT road win, and set us up for Iowa and Michigan.

I like our chances against Iowa considering the first contest. It will be much much closer, but I'm confident.

I'm also very confident about the Michigan game at home. Michigan rarely ever beats State and they absolutely do not win at The Brez! On top of that, the Spartans will come in pissed off and we all know why. Rout City- mark it down.

They put these three together and we are rollin' down the home stretch!

Why don't you retire into hiding again...

GAMEDAY

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While we're talking about games at Minnesota, let me just say that the whole elevated court thing is the gayest basketball setting in existence. Yes, that includes when they pulled that crap at Ford Field. Just had to get that off my chest. They need to burn down the Metrodome and make legit facilities for every team that has ever played there, and not some crap that they'll all share some more.

WARNING: DO NOT MAKE THIS MAN ANGRY

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I have no clue who this clown is. [smilie=clown.gif]
In my experiences, when you make a clown angry all they can really do is throw their rubber nose at you. I'm not worried.

Tre, also, your av and sig might be the whackest combo ever. First off, they're both ridiculously HUGE! Second, what is Tom Izzo holding? Is that the new Siemens trophy thing? Did they have that thing way back in 2000? State doesn't really have one of those do they? Is it "wishful thinking"? That sig is terrible too. Are you still that hyped about the Duke win? What did that win get you? Oh yeah, after State's next win they won the "Regional Championship". [smilie=rolleyes.gi: And WOW, Paul Davis looks more retarded and gayer than ever. But if you feel it dog, roll with it, but every time I see it, I LAUGH LAST. [smilie=hahaha.gif]

Mood

Hey Mood, it could be worse. Tre could have a picture of a serving bowl in his sig.

http://www.akacodez.com/albums/michigan/nit_champs.sized.jpg

At least Bernard Robinson Jr has the right demeanor in the photo.

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What a piss poor performance by my Spartans today.

You can chalk up this loss to Neitzel, Ager and Izzo.

All three failed to show up. [smilie=annoyed.gif]

They're going to have to run the table now in order to win the Big Ten Title. [smilie=angry.gif]

What a piss poor performance by my Spartans today.

You can chalk up this loss to Neitzel, Ager and Izzo.

All three failed to show up. [smilie=annoyed.gif]

They're going to have to run the table now in order to win the Big Ten Title. [smilie=angry.gif]

I know..........................Fuck [smilie=angryfire.g:

Ouch time loss for MSU. Everytime they have a chance to take advantage of other teams' misfortune then play terrible. Only in the Big 10 though.

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I have no clue who this clown is.
In my experiences, when you make a clown angry all they can really do is throw their rubber nose at you. I'm not worried.

Tre, also, your av and sig might be the whackest combo ever. First off, they're both ridiculously HUGE! Second, what is Tom Izzo holding? Is that the new Siemens trophy thing? Did they have that thing way back in 2000? State doesn't really have one of those do they? Is it "wishful thinking"? That sig is terrible too. Are you still that hyped about the Duke win? What did that win get you? Oh yeah, after State's next win they won the "Regional Championship". And WOW, Paul Davis looks more retarded and gayer than ever. But if you feel it dog, roll with it, but every time I see it, I LAUGH LAST.

Mood

Moodini, you lost all credibility with this post. I'm not going to name any names, but I thought it was one of the other jokers here posting. When I saw that it was you, my jaw dropped.

Okay, first of all...you don't know who Matt Trannon is? Wow.

Second of all, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FREAKING NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY LOOKS LIKE? What the hell have you been doing. Wait, I forgot...UM didn't get the crystal trophy in 97, they gave it to Nebraska. And yes, we did win that trophy in 2000. Did you really ask me whether or not we won the National Championship trophy? I like your "way back" comment. When is your last NC old timer? Wow again!

Lastly, that win versus Duke was bigger than any Michigan victory in the past decade! And yes, it did help get us to the Final Four. You are hating on a Final Four and a win versus Duke to get there. WOOOOOW!

Are you kidding me dude? You are commenting on my avatar and sig while you are rocking Women's Softball.

All credibility down the toilet. [smilie=shit.gif]

I don't think that guy is Matt Trannon at all....but I've never seen him without rows so I could be wrong.

That's indeed Matt Trannon...back when he was in high school.

That's indeed Matt Trannon...back when he was in high school.

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No need to rip someone because they didn't know what Chris Hunter's bitch looked like in high school.

By the way, Tre, next time Izzo invites you to a practice, you have to tell your boy that millionaires can do better than wearing nursing shoes with their suits while coaching. That shit has to go. I'll take Tommy mock-turtle over that any day.

No need to rip someone because they didn't know what Chris Hunter's bitch looked like in high school.

By the way, Tre, next time Izzo invites you to a practice, you have to tell your boy that millionaires can do better than wearing nursing shoes with their suits while coaching. That shit has to go. I'll take Tommy mock-turtle over that any day.

Congradulations, this is the 2nd worst post of the thread. Wow, this post was absolutely retarded.

1) Chris Hunter has no bitch. A dude? probably. A bitch? No, he's a 6'11" puss.

2) You are ripping on Tom Izzo for wearing tennis shoes that every coach in the country wore on Saturday to support COACHES VERSUS CANCER.

A guy does something to support finding a cure for cancer and you make fun of him. Well, we have our 2nd Wolverine of the day that lost all credibility. Wow, that's all I can say after reading some of these posts today. WOW.

No need to rip someone because they didn't know what Chris Hunter's bitch looked like in high school.

By the way, Tre, next time Izzo invites you to a practice, you have to tell your boy that millionaires can do better than wearing nursing shoes with their suits while coaching. That shit has to go. I'll take Tommy mock-turtle over that any day.

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Congradulations, this is the 2nd worst post of the thread

While you don't lose credibiltiy as a State fan, as I recall you have said in another post that your are a teacher. You my friend, lose all credibility as someone who molds the minds of our young. CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Congradulations, this is the 2nd worst post of the thread

While you don't lose credibiltiy as a State fan, as I recall you have said in another post that your are a teacher. You my friend, lose all credibility as someone who molds the minds of our young. CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Jesus, does it have to go down this road when someone is shown to have made a mistake? The MSU basketball thread is not for personal attacks. This entire exchange has been bad.

Sorry for breakin balls, it was a joke man, what 95% of things said on a MB are...

Ok, first, I didn't know about the Coaches vs Cancer thing, but whoever had the idea to do that instead of some pin or halftime thing honoring Valvano, the person that decided nurses shoes were the way to go is retarded. Come on, Valvano is rolling in his grave thinking, that's how these fuckers choose to honor my life?

I have no clue who this clown is.
In my experiences, when you make a clown angry all they can really do is throw their rubber nose at you. I'm not worried.

Tre, also, your av and sig might be the whackest combo ever. First off, they're both ridiculously HUGE! Second, what is Tom Izzo holding? Is that the new Siemens trophy thing? Did they have that thing way back in 2000? State doesn't really have one of those do they? Is it "wishful thinking"? That sig is terrible too. Are you still that hyped about the Duke win? What did that win get you? Oh yeah, after State's next win they won the "Regional Championship". And WOW, Paul Davis looks more retarded and gayer than ever. But if you feel it dog, roll with it, but every time I see it, I LAUGH LAST.

Mood

Moodini, you lost all credibility with this post. I'm not going to name any names, but I thought it was one of the other jokers here posting. When I saw that it was you, my jaw dropped.

Okay, first of all...you don't know who Matt Trannon is? Wow.

Second of all, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FREAKING NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY LOOKS LIKE? What the hell have you been doing. Wait, I forgot...UM didn't get the crystal trophy in 97, they gave it to Nebraska. And yes, we did win that trophy in 2000. Did you really ask me whether or not we won the National Championship trophy? I like your "way back" comment. When is your last NC old timer? Wow again!

Lastly, that win versus Duke was bigger than any Michigan victory in the past decade! And yes, it did help get us to the Final Four. You are hating on a Final Four and a win versus Duke to get there. WOOOOOW!

Are you kidding me dude? You are commenting on my avatar and sig while you are rocking Women's Softball.

All credibility down the toilet. [smilie=shit.gif]

Some points-
1. That looks nothing like Matt Trannon, and if that is Trannon, what happens if you do make him mad? Does he drop ciritical passes on 3rd and 7? Does he put up a whack J? Hmm...that's what he usually does.

2. Chris Hunter doesn't have a bitch. He has more than 1. They are the Michigan State Spartans. That cat was hitting threes, throwing down dunks, and tossing whack shots into the bleachers against the "elite" Spartans.

3. In my opinion, this is the National Championship Trophy. Always has been and always will be. The "crystal ball" is a wierd recent thing with a sponsor's name on it.
http://www.duke.edu/~gls2/National%20Champions%202001.jpg

4. Don't even go there about Michigan's "split" National Championship. Wht more do you want us to do? WE WON EVERY SINGLE GAME WE PLAYED THAT YEAR. It's the only time in college football history that the team that was #1 in both polls won their bowl game and did not win the unanimous National Championship. It's all because Fat Phil Fulmer voted Michigan #4 after going undefeated. Ridiculous.
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"Yup, you heard right. I dont' care if Michigan went undefeated, won the Big Ten, the Rose Bowl, and had the Heisman Trophy winner. In my opinion, they're the #4 team in the country."

GET IN MY BELLLLLLY!!

3. In my opinion, this is the National Championship Trophy. Always has been and always will be. The "crystal ball" is a wierd recent thing with a sponsor's name on it.


We have one of those too http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/2959/ncaa8oq.jpg

Big Games for the rest of the year starting with tonight.

PP-TPW

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OK, this is the MSU Basketball board. So maybe we can get back on topic. I do have to respond to the Chris Hunter hype that Moodini is bringing. Moodini, there is not a player on Michigan's roster that isn't well below .500 against MSU. Therefore, we own Michigan and everybody on the team. 1 win doesn't get you out of that. Chris Hunter is 2-6 versus State after Saturday. So Moodini, I believe Hunter and ALL Wolverine ballers for that matter are our bitches. You have to win more than 2 of 8 against your rival homeboy.

Now that that is out of the way, big game tonight. I actually am inclined to believe that tonight's game might be the game of the year for State. If they lose, forget the BT Championship. And if that dream is shot down, I don't know how this team will react.

Everything is on the line in my opinion. A win and we are right back on track. A loss and the dreams of a BT title, FF, and National Championship might start to fade.

I'm very nervous about this game. MSU's half court offense has been exposed and I haven't seen many changes or additional new sets. They have to run to win. I hope they can pull out an upset tonight. I believe every road game is an upset this year, especially a ranked BT team. Fingers crossed!

Go State!

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FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FOR IOWA!

Ok Tre, look at the newspapers from the day after the Michigan - Michigan State game. Hunter is dunking and his facial expression makes it look like he's been there plenty of times before. Meanwhile, Trannon is looking on with a facial expression that says "I'm remembering when I was 5 and my daddy came home drunk and beat the piss out of me." That's why I call him Hunter's bitch.

Ok Tre, look at the newspapers from the day after the Michigan - Michigan State game. Hunter is dunking and his facial expression makes it look like he's been there plenty of times before. Meanwhile, Trannon is looking on with a facial expression that says "I'm remembering when I was 5 and my daddy came home drunk and beat the piss out of me." That's why I call him Hunter's bitch.
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The problem is, Hunter hasn't been there before. He's never been anywhere before. Never been to the tournament, never done anything.

Meanwhile Mr. Trannon has a gold and diamond Final Four ring on his finger. I actually saw it myself.

So keep telling me about all these "bitches" when we all know that the only players that are bitches are the ones that never accomplish anything in their entire career.

Shit! I forgot....http://www.akacodez.com/albums/michigan/nit_champs.sized.jpg

You get a choice:

You can be a 6'11" Center that comes off the bench for an unranked team that hasn't played in the NCAA tournament in a decade.

or

You can be a 6'7" Receiver/Power Forward two sport starter who starts for a Top 25 team, will be selected in next year's NFL Draft, who wears a Final Four ring, who was named by one publication as the Nation's best athlete out of high school.

Jethro, who would you rather be?

Lemme guess who Jethro would prefer...

Next comes in the big game Hunter
They call him the big game Hunter
Shoots threes like Lindsay Hunter

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I wouldn't want to be either. I would explain myself, but you claim to be wanting this thread back on topic and you couldn't handle what I would say about your boy.

Just imagine Jethro if Trannon had entirely focused on basketball for the past three years instead of 85% football and just 15% basketball.

To borrow the logic and vernacular and Artemis...he'd be gooder. Much gooder.

Mo Ager is sweet!!!! lmao!

Mo Ager is sweet!!!! lmao!

First team All-American! lol [smilie=hahaha.gif]

Tre Posted:

I'm very nervous about this game. MSU's half court offense has been exposed and I haven't seen many changes or additional new sets. They have to run to win. I hope they can pull out an upset tonight. I believe every road game is an upset this year, especially a ranked BT team. Fingers crossed!


That is the way that he always does it so now we can't say anything bad about the sparties. If he "gets nervous" or predicts a loss and they win then he can he that he "told us so" but if they happen to lose then it is right there in black and white and there is nothing we can do...........he was nervous!

That is the way that he always does it so now we can't say anything bad about the sparties. If he "gets nervous" or predicts a loss and they win then he can he that he "told us so" but if they happen to lose then it is right there in black and white and there is nothing we can do...........he was nervous!

Say whatever bad things you want. MSU has looked like drunken sailors the last two games. I'm looking forward to getting home on Saturday and trying to steady the ship.

At the beginning of this thread I mentioned how MSU focuses on toughness. Well this team has looked anything but tough this year, at least not consistently. However, the road that the Spartans have created for themselves looks very tough indeed. It's hard to flat out call crisis with a one-and-done tournament still to play for the championship, anyone can catch fire. But there is some serious gut-checks that need to be administered in that lockerroom.

Nick -- What I said had nothing to do with the Spartans at all. Whether they are undefeated or on a 50 game losing streak I expect all sparties to support their team and that happens for the most part. The problem is that Tre has a VERY LONG HISTORY of pulling this. In some cirlces this is known as "The Tre." Everytime there is a big game he will waffle on it and make what is known as an out. He will always say something to the effect of "State is struggling" or "I'm nervous" or whatever. For some people on this board we have heard this somewhere in the range of a thousand times and this is just another blatent attempt at doing what he does.

It would be much easier to say that Paul Davis can't win on the road or that Iowa is unbeatable at home and you expect a win or that you expect a big "W" but when you come with some whack junk that makes look perfect everytime it is just damn annoying. Grow a pair and be a man. Stop being the "waffler"

If you just moved here from NC how do you know what is called "The Tre"? By the way, how's that white Lumina treating you?

Nick -- What I said had nothing to do with the Spartans at all. Whether they are undefeated or on a 50 game losing streak I expect all sparties to support their team and that happens for the most part. The problem is that Tre has a VERY LONG HISTORY of pulling this. In some cirlces this is known as "The Tre." Everytime there is a big game he will waffle on it and make what is known as an out. He will always say something to the effect of "State is struggling" or "I'm nervous" or whatever. For some people on this board we have heard this somewhere in the range of a thousand times and this is just another blatent attempt at doing what he does.

It would be much easier to say that Paul Davis can't win on the road or that Iowa is unbeatable at home and you expect a win or that you expect a big "W" but when you come with some whack junk that makes look perfect everytime it is just damn annoying. Grow a pair and be a man. Stop being the "waffler"

Then yes, Tre digs his own grave I suppose. I expect MSU to play nose-to-nose with every team in the country and beat the majority of them. Needless to say I'm dissapointed in the current product and their recent showings. My dejection can only run so deep however as I made the mistake of wallowing in self and team pity last season. The ride that followed was the brand of basketball that makes me proud to be a Spartan. I can only hope returning home will give us a platform to build on in such a way again.

“Filly,” don’t bring your bullshit here. If you want to make this website an extension of your fantasy mb, you are in the wrong place. We’ve heard your same song and dance for years, so either come fresh with some new material or post your old stuff where you normally do. The little games are old and played out and those of us here from Saginaw came here to get away from that garbage.

Don’t get me wrong. I do want you to talk trash, bash the Spartans and my opinions along with it. But, if you are going to do that, come with some new stuff. If you said it in 95’, chances are it is played out now.

In addition, you will find that 98% of the posters here come informed. If they have an opinion, they come with proof to back it. In my opinion, this is the best site I’ve ever been on in terms of knowledgeable fans who come strong. Therefore, if you are going to claim that I always predict against State to cover my ass, then you will find that the other members here are going to ask that you prove it.

Jethro, Muhme, Nick, Moodini, Wizzle, Jack, and probably even Art will vouch for the fact that I annoyingly predict MSU victories about 95% of the time. So that completely annihilates your claim. If you want me to post those direct quotes where I predicted State, I will put in the hour or so to do that.

If you throw out whack opinions or false claims, generally they get swatted back at you. All of us here have unfortunately experienced that. Well, this one is getting swatted back at you. Everyone here knows that I’m a die-hard Spartan most likely with killer green blinders on and I pick State all the time. So your claim is equivalent to a pile of dog shit. If you have a problem with me saying that “I’m worried” about a road game in the BT, then you have a problem with every member here on WTF because everybody is worried about EVERY road game. Come strong or don’t come at all

To prove that I don't try to be "perfect," here are some of the claims I've made here on WTF.

I predicted that this was "The Year" for MSU football.

I predicted wins versus Michigan and OSU in football.

I predicted Kyle Brown would be one of the best WR's in the big ten.

I predicted victories against Gonzaga, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota in basketball.

I guaranteed a BT Title for MSU in basketball.

You can go back in threads to find all these quotes. You'll find that I was clearly wrong in every single statement made above. And most of the time, I got crap for the statements I made. Fellow Wolverines Jethro and Moodini can vouch for all of this. So like I said, find new material. And make sure it's accurate this time because you are getting worked right now.

To prove that I don't try to be "perfect," here are some of the claims I've made here on WTF.

I predicted that this was "The Year" for MSU football.

I predicted wins versus Michigan and OSU in football.

I predicted Kyle Brown would be one of the best WR's in the big ten.

I predicted victories against Gonzaga, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota in basketball.

I guaranteed a BT Title for MSU in basketball.

You can go back in threads to find all these quotes. You'll find that I was clearly wrong in every single statement made above. And most of the time, I got crap for the statements I made. Fellow Wolverines Jethro and Moodini can vouch for all of this. So like I said, find new material. And make sure it's accurate this time because you are getting worked right now.

Tre, much props for admitting you were wrong. That's something not alot of people have the balls to do. [smilie=applause.gi:

Jethro, Muhme, Nick, Moodini, Wizzle, Jack, and probably even Art will vouch for the fact that I annoyingly predict MSU victories about 95% of the time

WAAAAAAAAHHH....I get no love....WAAAAAAAH

Moodini wrote: Tre, much props for admitting you were wrong. That's something not alot of people have the balls to do.

Thanks playa [smilie=hammertime.:

But tre...you NAILED the JaVon Ringer shit like it was your job.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile. haha

Thanks homie

Tre had a little help with the Ringer thing. Moodini told me that Tre shared a secret with him. You see, Tre's buddy Izzo looked in his "crystal ball" and saw Ringer lighting it up. Then he told Tre and Tre told us. Hahahaha

It's time for it fellas. Let's get this ball rolling toward another great March. Time to become a team. PP-TPW

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Tre had a little help with the Ringer thing. Moodini told me that Tre shared a secret with him. You see, Tre's buddy Izzo looked in his "crystal ball" and saw Ringer lighting it up. Then he told Tre and Tre told us. Hahahaha

I told you that really wasn't the national championship trophy. It's like the evil Saruman looking into his "crystal ball" and doing the work of his master, Sauron (AD Ron Mason).

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Tre Posted:

I'm very nervous about this game. MSU's half court offense has been exposed and I haven't seen many changes or additional new sets. They have to run to win. I hope they can pull out an upset tonight. I believe every road game is an upset this year, especially a ranked BT team. Fingers crossed!


That is the way that he always does it so now we can't say anything bad about the sparties. If he "gets nervous" or predicts a loss and they win then he can he that he "told us so" but if they happen to lose then it is right there in black and white and there is nothing we can do...........he was nervous!

Okay, Filly... you posted this made up bullshit and I proved it wrong with all my examples of picking the Spartans. I followed it up by predicting a 15 point victory against the Wolverines. Wait, I thought I always picked against State?

Now, it's time for you to get called out. You are quick to rip others and try to unveil some bullshit conspiracy theories. Let me reveal one on you. While you rip my predictions and others, you don't have the balls to make one yourself. You'll rip me for being "worried" but I don't remember a Filly prediction in my life. Why is that?

I posted my prediction here on WTF and it was a State victory. Where was your prediction?

We'll call having no balls to make a prediction a....Diesel. Wait, i mean a Filly. [smilie=clappy.gif]

Good Win for MSU. Now we need to continue to play well. There's lots of work still to do. But images such as this one are never a bad thing.

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So celebration time is over. Unfortunately there are rumblings that Matt Trannon is out for an extended period of time w/ a broken jaw. Graham Brown is therefore blacklisted by me [smilie=angryfire.g: . I'll post more as it becomes available.

Are you serious?! You've got to be kidding me! That sucks really bad.

Let me try to spin it though. I think Gray needs more time and I'd like to see Sutton get back to the way he was at the start of the season. Losing a starter is horrible, but maybe it will open the door for some other guys to take their opportunity and run with it.

Yeah it appears that Trannon is out for the remainder of the season and probably for the tournament as well.

What a bad bad break...(pun unfortunately intended).

I hope Rowley can continue to contribute now. I'm thinking Gray starts and Sutton replaces him. Our depth in the post is now depleting fast. Man, we could really use Naymick right now. I wonder if Izzo would consider using him and forgetting the redshirt. If it's the differenece between a BT title and no title or a Final Four or no FF, I would hope he would use him.

It comforts me to know that we went to three overtimes with the Zags without Trannon. Hopefully Gray and Sutton can step up and stay out of foul trouble.

I love the way people talk about not getting Trannon mad like he's some hitman, then when he incidentally collides with Graham AND SHANNON Brown and breaks like his name is Chalres Rogers, suddenly Graham is in a class with Petway. By the way, I'm not defending Petway at all because he is a punk and who can jump too high for his own good which keeps him from ever learning anything about the game, but the more I see that replay, the more it cracks me up to hear State whining like he went out of his way to do it. Ager is an actor who made more than he should of out of something that happens every game.

Matt Trannon is tougher than any player Michigan has on their squad or will ever have on their squad. Michigan State is known for its toughness and Izzo said himself that Trannon is one of the toughest players they've ever had.

A broken bone doesn't mean you are not tough. It's not like you can prevent it. Maybe you should look up the definition of toughness. It's more mental than physical, but if you want to go there Trannon is as physically impressive as anyone in the BT.

Ager is an actor? Did you happen to see the replay? I highly doubt Ager just wanted to get out of the game in the middle of another run just after he threw down on Michigan. What would acting do? It happened right in front of the ref, we all know MSU wasn't going to get a call in that one anyway.

You know what I think is funny, you calling Trannon "Hunter's Bitch" and the dude lasted 2 minutes in the game. I loved seeing him pout on the bench while his teammates got dunked on all game long. Hunter=still no tourney appearances and counting

I love the way people talk about not getting Trannon mad like he's some hitman, then when he incidentally collides with Graham AND SHANNON Brown and breaks like his name is Chalres Rogers, suddenly Graham is in a class with Petway. By the way, I'm not defending Petway at all because he is a punk and who can jump too high for his own good which keeps him from ever learning anything about the game, but the more I see that replay, the more it cracks me up to hear State whining like he went out of his way to do it. Ager is an actor who made more than he should of out of something that happens every game.

I prop up Trannon because of the fire in his game. You confront him he only plays harder.

But if we're gonna love players getting hurt (very classy) what happened to Big Chris Hunter who supposedly likes to make MSU players his bitch? He probably should worry more about colliding into his teammates for no good reason. Now he has to sit for a month right when Michigan is trying desperately to make the NCAA's.

I blacklist Brown because I'm upset Trannon is out, not because I think he's a punk (I like his game). Petway doesn't deserve a comment from any of us.

Where did I love players getting hurt? I responded to the black-listing of Graham Brown over incidental contact? Which way do you want it? If it was Graham's fault, then he's physically tougher. If it wasn't, then don't bitch about the play. And as for Hunter, show me which State player got him. I'm waiting.

Where did I love players getting hurt? I responded to the black-listing of Graham Brown over incidental contact? Which way do you want it? If it was Graham's fault, then he's physically tougher. If it wasn't, then don't bitch about the play. And as for Hunter, show me which State player got him. I'm waiting.

"I love the way people talk about not getting Trannon mad like he's some hitman, then when he incidentally collides with Graham AND SHANNON Brown and breaks like his name is Chalres Rogers" - Quite a bit of joy, maybe not love

I'll bitch about the play because one of our starters was hurt during it. I'm not blaming G. Brown for the play but do I need to ask your permission to be bitter about Trannon getting hurt and being upset at a Michigan player who was AT LEAST partially responsible?

And since when does being physically tougher equate to injuring players from the other team. You want me to point out the MSU player who "got" Hunter? Nobody got Hunter, he injured himself.

I gave the Wolverines crap for not living up to the hype this football season. So, I have to do the same for MSU bball. This season is NOT over and 2 goals are still possible. I am still a believer.

BUT, I do have to admit that they have not lived up to the hype and they have been a giant disappointment this BT season. Very disappointed! [smilie=annoyed.gif]

Where did I love players getting hurt? I responded to the black-listing of Graham Brown over incidental contact? Which way do you want it? If it was Graham's fault, then he's physically tougher. If it wasn't, then don't bitch about the play. And as for Hunter, show me which State player got him. I'm waiting.

"I love the way people talk about not getting Trannon mad like he's some hitman, then when he incidentally collides with Graham AND SHANNON Brown and breaks like his name is Chalres Rogers" - Quite a bit of joy, maybe not love


Ok, yes, there was joy, but not because of the player getting hurt. It was sarcasm at Spartan rhetoric, which just so happened to involve an injury. Never meant to celebrate the injury. Look, with as much as injuries have been a factor for Michigan's teams the past 18 months, you won't find me celebrating opposing injuries - it's bad karma. I think I stopped celebrating opposing injuries shortly after Stanton left the Michigan game in 2004. I did celebrate that, because it's hard to imagine Michigan would have won otherwise, but I tried to stop the practice shortly afterward.

I gave the Wolverines crap for not living up to the hype this football season. So, I have to do the same for MSU bball. This season is NOT over and 2 goals are still possible. I am still a believer.

BUT, I do have to admit that they have not lived up to the hype and they have been a giant disappointment this BT season. Very disappointed! [smilie=annoyed.gif]

I give Tre props. I didn't expect something like this out of him, but it's definite fact. 7-7 in the Big Ten with 3 NBA players and Drew "Mr. Basketball" Neitzel? GIANT DISAPPOINTMENT!

If they're doing this bad with the "studs", what is next year going to be like? Looking ahead, if Shannon goes pro, it could get really ugly. Look at the projected lineup.

PG-Neitzel
SG- Joseph
SF-Morgan (Fr.)
PF-Naymick
C-Gray

Bench-Walton, Dahlman (Fr.), Ibok, Sutan, and Herzog.

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"If I'm sending these jokers into battle, we're screwed."

The only consistent thing the Spartans have done all season is regress in their quality of play and effort. It makes me sick. [smilie=angryfire.g:

I GAURNTEE MSU will win the BT Tournament.

Paul Davis's line for today @Indiana 14 pts, 5 reb. (not even team leader), 1 steal, 1 block, and 5 fouls [smilie=crazy.gif] . Sounds like someone who only gives an effort when he wants to. But, he's played like that his whole career at MSU.

I GAURNTEE MSU will win the BT Tournament.

Now there's a new verb. What exactly does that mean Steve-O?

That was lame.

I GAURNTEE that you are stupid. Lighten up jicknuts.

Hey Mood, check his effort twice to spell Vinatieri in the NFL forum. Classic.
VINATARY? Are you seriously even bothering to post when you come like that? Then calling YOU lame. Maybe 5 years from now when he has completed 10th grade on the third try he'll look back and understand why we're giving him crap about this stuff.

Sorry for the absence boys. Our school district had a "winter break" and my computer at school is my only access. So I had a 4 day break. Get paid for not working- amazing!

Anyways, Discovery I think you've got to give Davis a break for his Indiana game. He played well, but was in foul trouble in the first half. MSU actually showed some serious balls and came all the way back to take the lead. The two fouls down the stretch on Davis were absolute bullshit and the announcers agreed. Those cost MSU a much needed win. But, even though I think that decided the outcome in the final minutes, MSU cost themselves the game. They were the ones that came out flat with no defense. So we can't use any excuses here.


I give Tre props. I didn't expect something like this out of him, but it's definite fact. 7-7 in the Big Ten with 3 NBA players and Drew "Mr. Basketball" Neitzel? GIANT DISAPPOINTMENT!

If they're doing this bad with the "studs", what is next year going to be like? Looking ahead, if Shannon goes pro, it could get really ugly. Look at the projected lineup.

PG-Neitzel
SG- Joseph
SF-Morgan (Fr.)
PF-Naymick
C-Gray

Bench-Walton, Dahlman (Fr.), Ibok, Sutan, and Herzog.

Thanks for the props Moodini and you are right, this team is not living up to expectations. With their talent, they should have won the BT. Not happy.

In regards to next year, MSU will be better than expected. Shannon Brown will return. An MSU insider was on the radio the other day and he said that Shannon Brown is a legit 6'2". Meaning, he will have to play PG in the NBA. The insider said that Brown knows this and will return because of this.

Therefore, I think next year will be a challenge. But, better than most think. There will be no pressure at all. Neitzel and Brown will be a great backcourt. And I think Sutton, Naymick, and Quise will be pretty good inside. The freshmen will add athleticm. So, I think they can challenge next year and maybe surprise some people. The following year is when the party starts: Summer, Allen, Lucas! [smilie=applause.gi:

So is Izzo going to put the ball in Brown's hands more to cater to what he needs to do to get drafted? What if he isn't PG material? Izzo's going to compromise the team's chances to win games just to help Brown get drafted? In spite of his size, I think Brown would be better suited to shoot the hell out of the ball and prove he can score over and defend bigger guys, enough so that he's able to overcome his size and be a very good 2 in spite of giving up a few inches every night - cuz there's no way in hell anybody in the NBA takes him as a point - not unless he's got a shitload of skills that I've never seen. Should be quite interesting, but I think he's getting horrible advice if they're trying to make him a PG.

Hey Mood, check his effort twice to spell Vinatieri in the NFL forum. Classic.
VINATARY? Are you seriously even bothering to post when you come like that? Then calling YOU lame. Maybe 5 years from now when he has completed 10th grade on the third try he'll look back and understand why we're giving him crap about this stuff.Whatevver.

And I don't think I will be repeating the 10th grade with a GPA of 3.7 so far you ass hole.

A 3.7 GPA is something to be proud of, but even with straight A's in all your other classes, most schools require you to pass English at least one of the 4 years, and you've never given us any reason to believe that will happen soon. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit either.

Just because I can't spell names good doesnt mean I can't spell completely.

Message boards aren't the same as school. I don't slack in school. If I can't spell a word I'll look it up.

So is Izzo going to put the ball in Brown's hands more to cater to what he needs to do to get drafted? What if he isn't PG material? Izzo's going to compromise the team's chances to win games just to help Brown get drafted? In spite of his size, I think Brown would be better suited to shoot the hell out of the ball and prove he can score over and defend bigger guys, enough so that he's able to overcome his size and be a very good 2 in spite of giving up a few inches every night - cuz there's no way in hell anybody in the NBA takes him as a point - not unless he's got a shitload of skills that I've never seen. Should be quite interesting, but I think he's getting horrible advice if they're trying to make him a PG.

You jump to conclusions Jethro. Nobody said anything about Brown playing PG at State. Scouts are telling Brown he'll need to be able to play the point at the next level. Another year will allow Brown to improve his ball handling skills. He won't be running the 1, but he'll have another 12 months to improve on his ball handling skills so that he can make the transition if asked to at the next level.

And he will be shooting the hell out of the ball next year for sure. BT leading scorer on lock.

And he will be shooting the hell out of the ball next year for sure. BT leading scorer on lock.

My next question might belong in a different thread, but who would be his competition in this category next year?

With the people who are graduating and others will will be leaving early, there goes a lot of scorers in the conference: Horton, Grier, Dee Brown, Dials, Brunner, Landry (if he doesn't get another year of eligibility), obviously Ager and Davis, Killingsworth, and others.

I'm not sure if Tucker will stay at Wisconsin or not. It depends on what he's hearing from NBA scouts. Like Brown, there might be things he still needs to work on before he can be considered a pick in the range he would like, but I think there's a decent chance he's gone. If not, he's my pick for top scorer in the conference.

I'm not sure what other underclassmen will step up around the conference. I would say Dion Harris has a chance to jack up a lot of points, but I don't know if I'm sure he can show any consistency. I'm not sure what type of numbers a guy like Oden is going to post and a freshman, but it's not out of the question for him to go off the way Hansbrough has at NC.

[smilie=beat_deadho:

Time is hear to put together some good basketball for MSU. With two teams ranked in the top 15 of RPI coming to the Brez in the next 3 days, the Spartans can still salvage a decent seed in the Tourney.

Even more important is getting this team to play as a team. Enough is enough with this losing bullshit. [smilie=angryfire.g:

In talking about what the team will look like next season, it appears there will be more available playing time for Herzog than I originally thought -

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060303/SPORTS02/603030319


Q . Why are Delco Rowley and Matt Trannon, both of whom have a year of eligibility remaining, expected to go through Senior Day ceremonies before the game?

A . Rowley, who was redshirted during his first season in 2002-03, suffered his share of injuries early in his career and never developed into more than a part-time role player.

He has the option to return for a fifth year, but he's going to graduate in May and appears ready to move on with his life.

Rowley will meet with coach Tom Izzo after the season to cement his plans, but the fact he's going to be included in the ceremony makes it clear he's leaning heavily to not returning. Rowley has said he wants to play professionally overseas.

As for Trannon, he will play football next season, but it's unlikely he'll play basketball again because he'll need to focus on workouts for the NFL draft.

This doesn't mean either player couldn't change his mind and come back for another year, but that's not in the plans now.



Sounds like Sutton, Naymick and Gray will be the only bigs left ahead of him and that, as far as I know, cover the 4 and the 5. Can Morgan or Dahlman play the 4?

Morgan can play the 4. 5 bigs is more than enough.

To answer your question above, Tucker is staying. Dion will be there. Neitzel will avg. 15 a game next year. Oden will put up around 15. White and Vaden will both put up big numbers, if they are there. Those are the names that instantly pop up without looking into it.

DrTre wrote: In addition, does everyone remember how great Sutton was playing early in the year on offense? Well, at the practice I attended, Izzo was just ripping Suttona new one. I understand why, because he needs to get tougher. But, I think that it has killed his confidence and we now lost a viable offensive option.

Now, we are stuck playing Trannon and Rowley for extended minutes and that puts us in a 4 on 5 situation. I LOVE Trannon, but he's more of a 20 minute guy. Not a starter in my opinion.

Remember how great our offense was against Gonzaga and Arizona? That was when Sutton was playing good minutes and scoring on offense.

I told you so! [smilie=applause.gi: Sutton is the key and I knew Izzo needed to look to him. I understand, he needs to be a better defender and get tougher. But, he brings State a 5th scoring option when he's on the floor, he's an excellent passer as a big man, and he is a good help side defender with blocks. We saw all of this last night and that is what I wanted to see. I just wanted to see him given the chance. I saw him take the floor as a starter and I started cheering...I loved it!

Great win for MSU. But, it happened because of defense first and foremost. Half-way through the first half, MSU turned on the D. Great helpside D! Wisconsin couldn't get a decent shot. This is the defense that came in the tourney last year. I hope it continues and I believe it will. MSU will beat Illinois and momentum will be ours! [smilie=applause.gi: [smilie=applause.gi: [smilie=applause.gi:

In talking about what the team will look like next season, it appears there will be more available playing time for Herzog than I originally thought -

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Q . Why are Delco Rowley and Matt Trannon, both of whom have a year of eligibility remaining, expected to go through Senior Day ceremonies before the game?

A . Rowley, who was redshirted during his first season in 2002-03, suffered his share of injuries early in his career and never developed into more than a part-time role player.

He has the option to return for a fifth year, but he's going to graduate in May and appears ready to move on with his life.

Rowley will meet with coach Tom Izzo after the season to cement his plans, but the fact he's going to be included in the ceremony makes it clear he's leaning heavily to not returning. Rowley has said he wants to play professionally overseas.

As for Trannon, he will play football next season, but it's unlikely he'll play basketball again because he'll need to focus on workouts for the NFL draft.

This doesn't mean either player couldn't change his mind and come back for another year, but that's not in the plans now.



Sounds like Sutton, Naymick and Gray will be the only bigs left ahead of him and that, as far as I know, cover the 4 and the 5. Can Morgan or Dahlman play the 4?

Yes, especially Morgan. Moth are 6'6" plus though.

GameDay, even though a nights sleep must come first. Hopefully the Spartans can put a postive capper on what has been an overall dissapointing season. Marquise Gray is now appraently out for the season w/ a broken foot so the bench only gets shorter. Obstacles are made to be overcome.

GO GREEN!!!!

GO WHITE!!!!

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The officiating was absolutely horrible again. The two calls on Sutton early were absolutely terrible. The continuation call killed State's late comeback. It wasn't the reason we lost, but it was horrible. I'm so sick of these BT officials. They aren't just terrible for State, they are terrible for everybody. I can't remember a year when I witnessed such terrible officiating. Sick and tired of it!

On a side note, the Quise injury is horrible. He's the energizer. Blocks and dunks, not to mention rebounding. Right now, our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd string PF's are out for the season (Trannon might be back)! Every preseason mag said that the PF position will be a key for State. Well, we've lost 3 PF's now. :( puke

Oh well, gotta fight through it. It's tourney time.

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Here's the article on Shannon returning next year. Yo!

Vince Young said the same thing. I just hope Shannon [smilie=hotbitch.gi: and the Sparties don't make a run like the 'Horns did. [smilie=headbanger.:

While I believe Brown WILL stay, you have to realize he hasn't had agents and scouts in his grill yet. If anyone starts dropping lines about him being a mid-first round pick (which would be a bunch of crap) he might change his tune a bit.

Either way, this was huge for State. Your season next year was not looking good. Losing Davis and Ager will hurt enough, but Brown too? Add that to Neitzel being less-than-advertised, the constant question about Naymick's health, Rowley and Trannon likely gone, and wondering how Gray's foot will heal, and it was going to be rough at best.

Vince Young said the same thing. I just hope Shannon and the Sparties don't make a run like the 'Horns did.
Keep prayin' Moodini.


Jethro wrote: While I believe Brown WILL stay, you have to realize he hasn't had agents and scouts in his grill yet. If anyone starts dropping lines about him being a mid-first round pick (which would be a bunch of crap) he might change his tune a bit.

Either way, this was huge for State. Your season next year was not looking good. Losing Davis and Ager will hurt enough, but Brown too? Add that to Neitzel being less-than-advertised, the constant question about Naymick's health, Rowley and Trannon likely gone, and wondering how Gray's foot will heal, and it was going to be rough at best.

Why would Brown in the mid-first be a bunch of crap? He's becoming unstoppable offensively. His step back jumper is deadly. Regardless, he is coming back and I'm glad. It's a good choice.

How is Neitzel "less than advertised"????????????? The guy comes in last year as a true freshman and leads them to the Final Four. Their team was playing average at best, he was put into the starting lineup and they skyrocketed.

This season he has continued his progression. He has improved his defense, improved his passing, and improved his jumper. But, he plays with three guys that average 18 a game so it isn't his role to come out and do more than distribute. Remember his 10-1 assist to turnover ratio against Michigan? You wait, he will emerge as a great scorer for MSU next season and he will also become thee leader. I don't see how anyone could expect more from him given the players around him that take up shots.

Ok Tre, I realize you have huge man-love for the two ugliest faces on your SI, but step away from homerism for just a minute.

Brown - too small to play the 2 and can't play point but it's realistic that he would be mid-first round this year? Come on. What NBA team would do that? There are plenty of guys his size that CAN run the point, and plenty of guys with his J that have better size that would go ahead of him. Other than that, the first round is for bigs and Europeans. He might go there next year, but not this year.

Now for Neitzel. You're going to use one home game to legitimize a career? Super weak, bro. Do you remember who else was on that team that he "lead" to the Final Four? A bench full of guys from a hugely hyped recruiting class that had something to prove to keep THEM from being way less than advertised, along with 3 guys that you've tried to make a case for as All-Americans this year. Carrie Talek could have been the point on that team, and they would have had success. (let's not discuss whether or not she has bigger balls than Drew) Anyhow, I'm not saying he sucks - I'll let your fellow Sparty fans fill that request, because they have. I'm say he's less than advertised. You have to go back to what the advertisement was to get that. I remember how hyped you were about this kid that was the real deal. This was a kid you would have driven across the state to watch. I'm still trying to remember if you ever did or not. The way people were talking about him, I expected a white Isiah Thomas in the backcourt. Well, two seasons later, he still has plenty of work to ever get his ass in the association while other players are passing him by. That, my friend, is less than advertised.

Ok Tre, I realize you have huge man-love for the two ugliest faces on your SI, but step away from homerism for just a minute.

Brown - too small to play the 2 and can't play point but it's realistic that he would be mid-first round this year? Come on. What NBA team would do that? There are plenty of guys his size that CAN run the point, and plenty of guys with his J that have better size that would go ahead of him. Other than that, the first round is for bigs and Europeans. He might go there next year, but not this year.

Now for Neitzel. You're going to use one home game to legitimize a career? Super weak, bro. Do you remember who else was on that team that he "lead" to the Final Four? A bench full of guys from a hugely hyped recruiting class that had something to prove to keep THEM from being way less than advertised, along with 3 guys that you've tried to make a case for as All-Americans this year. Carrie Talek could have been the point on that team, and they would have had success. (let's not discuss whether or not she has bigger balls than Drew) Anyhow, I'm not saying he sucks - I'll let your fellow Sparty fans fill that request, because they have. I'm say he's less than advertised. You have to go back to what the advertisement was to get that. I remember how hyped you were about this kid that was the real deal. This was a kid you would have driven across the state to watch. I'm still trying to remember if you ever did or not. The way people were talking about him, I expected a white Isiah Thomas in the backcourt. Well, two seasons later, he still has plenty of work to ever get his ass in the association while other players are passing him by. That, my friend, is less than advertised.

Carrie Talek! [smilie=great.gif] ROFL! [smilie=rofl.gif] HAHAHAHAHA! [smilie=hahaha.gif] Super hilarious in more ways than one! I don't know if I've ever laughed harder at a post.

About Neitzel, I saw him play ih high school and he absolutely lit up Joe Crawford, Malik Hairston and Renaissance in the state semi-finals. I think he had 36. I wouldn't say he's been a bust at all. I think he's been solid, but hasn't been scoring like I thought he would. I know he's got 3 big guns to pass the rock to, but he has missed a lot more open looks than I expected. With that said, I think he's going to have a big year next year. I like his game.

Ok, let me just remind people that I'm not exactly comparing Neitzel to Sharrod Harrell here.
But Mood's post is a classic example. With the things this kid was doing his senior year, he was being hyped as the best PG at MSU since Mateen, arguably better and the best since Magic or Skiles.
While he has done a decent job, has he lived up to the hype? No. In fact, there are several other PG's from his class that have done as well or better and will certainly stand a better chance of success on the next level.

So he lead State to the Final Four. Yes, I understand that their being there is a huge deal to you Sparties (and the only argument you have for being elite), but pretty much any 3 star PG from that year could have done it. There are a number of other 2004 PG's that might have actually helped you get over on UNC, such as Rondo (KY), Farmer (UCLA), Gibson (Tex), Green (Florida), Washington (Mem), Steele (Bama), Lowry (Nova), Butler (OSU), Ramon (Pitt), Singletary (Virginia), Goldwire (Charlotte), Swann (Florida St.) or another player from the state, actually would have played against Drew in the matchup Mood spoke of, is Marcus Stout of Det Renaissance who is playing at Fordham.

That's quite a list. Some are clearly better than Neitzel. Some are just in the same conversation. But THE HYPE should have left this list much shorter, especially considering who from that class isn't even in this conversation: Livingston and Telfair who are in the league and Price who went to UConn only to have his small brain fall out of his head.

So is he good, sure, he's fair. But "as advertised" reflects the fact that he was pumped up to be so much more, and he isn't there.
I will give him credit for one thing, and it's the one thing he's going to want to hang his hat on if he ever wants to go to the league: he has a VERY good assist/TO ratio for college. 2.72 is very good at this level. It would only get you barely in the top 20 in the Association, but for college any coach would love it.

I really don't think that Drew Neitzel is a smart Basketball player to tell you the truth.


And who in the fucking world said he was the best since Skiles or Magic? I'd jump for joy if we got to have the chance for Magic NOW to be our PG over Neitzel.

Brown - too small to play the 2 and can't play point but it's realistic that he would be mid-first round this year? Come on. What NBA team would do that? There are plenty of guys his size that CAN run the point, and plenty of guys with his J that have better size that would go ahead of him. Other than that, the first round is for bigs and Europeans. He might go there next year, but not this year.

Now for Neitzel. You're going to use one home game to legitimize a career? Super weak, bro. Do you remember who else was on that team that he "lead" to the Final Four? A bench full of guys from a hugely hyped recruiting class that had something to prove to keep THEM from being way less than advertised, along with 3 guys that you've tried to make a case for as All-Americans this year. Carrie Talek could have been the point on that team, and they would have had success. (let's not discuss whether or not she has bigger balls than Drew) Anyhow, I'm not saying he sucks - I'll let your fellow Sparty fans fill that request, because they have. I'm say he's less than advertised. You have to go back to what the advertisement was to get that. I remember how hyped you were about this kid that was the real deal. This was a kid you would have driven across the state to watch. I'm still trying to remember if you ever did or not. The way people were talking about him, I expected a white Isiah Thomas in the backcourt. Well, two seasons later, he still has plenty of work to ever get his ass in the association while other players are passing him by. That, my friend, is less than advertised.

I didn't say Brown in the mid-first would be a smart pick. But, some projected him late first last year. So I could see mid-first this year. Glad he's staying.

Now to Neitzel. Part of being a great TEAM player is doing what your team needs you to do, not what YOU want to do. I'm sure Neitzel would have liked to come in and put up tons of shots to keep his scoring rep from high school. But, Izzo didn't need him to do that. Therefore, he modified his game for two seasons to fulfill the needs of the team. I've got love for anyone willing to do that. He could have responded to the change like Joe Crawford did at Kentucky. But, he's a TEAM guy. [smilie=applause.gi:

Now, you claim anyone could have run the team last year. But, that was proven not to be true. They were playing TERRIBLE before Neitzel was entered into the starting lineup. He entered and they went to the Final Four. By the way, a Final Four is huge for anyone in the country (besides you), not just Sparties.

Now to the "hype." What the hell were you reading about Neitzel in high school? Was it the Drew Times? NOBODY COMPARED HIM TO MAGIC OR MATEEN OR SKILES!!!!! The sentence that was ALWAYS used in reference to his game coming out of hs was, "He'll be the first true point guard since Mateen Cleaves." Some were actually surprised MSU was going after him. They got him and then he blew up his senior year and won the Mr. Basketball award surprisingly over favorites Hairston and Crawford. Were Spartans excited about him? Yes. Was there this "next coming" talk? No.

He's doing exactly what I would want him to at this point in his career and he has a very bright future. Nobody expects a 6 ft, 170 pd white point guard to play at a NBA level as a sophmore. Once again, you expectations for players and teams are too high.

I'm officially just burning time till I get to see the match-ups. I peg MSU as a 6 seed.

I can't believe nobody posted anything about the Illinois win. That win made me much more optimistic about the tournament. Dee Brown- 3pts? Wow! As always, Izzo is starting to get this team to play defense.

I don't blame them one bit for the Iowa loss and I'm actually happy it happened now. 1) That was their third straight game and they were dead 2) We got a perfect seed in the tournament, winning wouldn't have made it better

They aren't completely there yet, but with the D coming around and Sutton playing better and better...I'm excited. Can you imagine if Izzo put together yet another amazing run to Indy?

Can't wait for Friday. If we win, I'll be soooo hyped for revenge against the Tar Heels.

There is no way the Heels can beat us. I bet any money they win sngle digits against murry St. and Struggle against us. There too young.

Okay, I'll admit it. I did it. I took a giant gulp of my Spartan solution and picked the Spartans in the Washington bracket. I have them beating GM, then UNC, then Seton Hall, and then Illinois. I picked Illinois to upset UConn.

It's amazing what some loyalty will do to your brain. I had UConn winning it all prior to them being placed in State's region.

But hey, I picked the Spartans to go to the Final Four last year and everybody thought I was crazy too. Go State!

Time to separate the men from the boys. The Spartans should be rested, I know they're battle-tested, and I hope nobody in East Lansing gets arrested. Because it's tourney time baby!!!! [smilie=applause.gi:

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I've got the Spartans making at least an Elite Eight appearance with North Carolina on one days rest being the most difficult hurdle.

My reasons for predicting this success are.........

They have 5 players from a Final Four team last year.

Paul Davis and Mo Ager are talented seniors with chips on their shoulders from an underacheiving season.

Tom Izzo is one of the best tournament coaches around.

Unfamiliar opponents will allow MSU to do things that Big Ten schools are well practiced and familiar with eliminating.

I'm ready baby! It's time! It's time for all us Spartans to unite because it is our month of the year. This is when all the haters eat their words. This is when Izzo rallies the troops. It's that time of the year when all the big boys of the past gather in the stands to inspire. Earvin, Smith, The Stones Get ready for another ride. GM is first. Then the Tarheels will be sent home. Once we dance out of this week, nobody will want to see the Spartans.

[smilie=alpacacall.: Let's go baby boy! [smilie=alpacacall.:

Tre, it's George Mason not George Washington.

[smilie=alpacacall.: Let's go baby boy! [smilie=alpacacall.: March to the Arch! [smilie=alpacacall.:

March to the Arch? [smilie=great.gif] WTF? Wasn't that a 1 year saying for last year because the Final Four was in St. Louis where "the arch" is? [smilie=rofl.gif]


Tre, it's George Mason not George Washington.

Tre is officially STRUG-A-LING! [smilie=sick.gif]

Finally...concrete proof that Drew Neitzel can dunk.

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MAN....struggling big time! I knew it was Mason, but made a mistake. I do have an explanation for the Arch thing. I was looking for more Final Four is significant proof for the UM thread and I found a book on Illinois' run to the F4 last year and it was called March to the Arch. So when I started ranting I had that in my head. I was looking for a march to the Final Four slogan and ended up putting that instead. How embarrassing. [smilie=dissed.gif]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA

Izzo can take his team on a field trip now and go to St. Louis with all this extra time they have, so good call on the March to the Arch thing Tre.

Ok, I'll stop now.

Okay, I'll admit it. I did it. I took a giant gulp of my Spartan solution and picked the Spartans in the Washington bracket. I have them beating GM, then UNC, then Seton Hall, and then Illinois. I picked Illinois to upset UConn.

LOL@TRE...

Wonder how long before he shows up this time...

I don't expect he'll be here until Monday at the earliest - not because he's hiding, but because he doesn't have a PC at home.

LOL@State

No defending that abortion of a performance. All the criticism is warranted. [smilie=angryfire.g:

Does anybody think that this is the time when Izzo finally bolts for the NBA?

Disappointing loss/season, some have said here that the "cupboard is bare" next year, etc.

He's gonna go at some point, is the time now?

Interesting question. I've never been one to assume he would, indeed, leave for the NBA at some point. There have been plenty of successful college coaches who choose to stay and leave their legacy in college without making the jump. I've always imagined he would be one of them.

However, if he were to leave, yeah, now looks good from a leaving point of view. But I think the right job has to open up as well. I don't think he would run out the door to coach the Hornets or anything. But the right job at the right time might attract him.

At that point, I wonder what that would do to his amazing class of 2007 and beyond. Anyone following the Devendorf footsteps at that point?

I seem to recall Izzo being quoted saying how great it would be to have an NBA championship to go along with his NCAA championship.

He doesn't talk to teams like Atl & Sea every offseason because he has no intention of going, IMO.

I've always thought that it was a matter of when, not if.

Okay, I'll admit it. I did it. I took a giant gulp of my Spartan solution and picked the Spartans in the Washington bracket. I have them beating GM, then UNC, then Seton Hall, and then Illinois. I picked Illinois to upset UConn.

LOL@TRE...

Wonder how long before he shows up this time...

I think he has "duty" today. [smilie=wink.gif]

Does anybody think that this is the time when Izzo finally bolts for the NBA?

Disappointing loss/season, some have said here that the "cupboard is bare" next year, etc.

He's gonna go at some point, is the time now?

I know he's had offers and has "flirted" with the idea before, but I just can't see it happening. He just seems like a college coach to me and I think he's too hyped about his '07 recruiting class to bolt now.

Rowley says he's done at MSU, off to Europe to play ball.

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Does anybody think that this is the time when Izzo finally bolts for the NBA?

Disappointing loss/season, some have said here that the "cupboard is bare" next year, etc.

He's gonna go at some point, is the time now?

Not a chance.

Over the next two seasons Izzo has assembled his best back to back recruiting classes since he's been at Michigan State. (Top 10 in 2006 and top 5 in 2007 and he's in on some absolute studs in 2008) He would never assemble that insane amount of talent and then bolt for the pros. Besides, he already promised the players in the 2006 class and their parents that he was going to be around for a while.

He's pretty determined and has been fairly vocal about wanting to win that 2nd National Championship and with the group of kids that he has coming to East Lansing over the next couple of years....that run is looking quite possible if not probable.

Does anybody think that this is the time when Izzo finally bolts for the NBA?

Disappointing loss/season, some have said here that the "cupboard is bare" next year, etc.

Izzo has went on record saying that he will not leave MSU unless he wins another National Championship. Todd Schultz answered this question on the radio the other day. He just talked to Izzo and Izzo is extremely excited about the next couple of years with a good class coming in next year and possibly the nation's best class coming in the following.

The only people that raise this question anymore are the people that wish he was gone.

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Okay, I'll admit it. I did it. I took a giant gulp of my Spartan solution and picked the Spartans in the Washington bracket. I have them beating GM, then UNC, then Seton Hall, and then Illinois. I picked Illinois to upset UConn.


LOL@TRE...

Wonder how long before he shows up this time...

I thought I always picked against State? What a clown.

Once again Polish is questioning/making fun of other's predictions while he didn't have the balls to make his own. Where have you been Polish? You've been absent ever since MSU beat UM. hypocrite

Moodini wrote: I think he has "duty" today.

Means alot coming from somebody that posted about 3 times in the last two months. Those two months just happened to coincide with Michigan's 2-7 losing streak.

Does anybody think that this is the time when Izzo finally bolts for the NBA?

Disappointing loss/season, some have said here that the "cupboard is bare" next year, etc.

Izzo has went on record saying that he will not leave MSU unless he wins another National Championship. Todd Schultz answered this question on the radio the other day. He just talked to Izzo and Izzo is extremely excited about the next couple of years with a good class coming in next year and possibly the nation's best class coming in the following.

The only people that raise this question anymore are the people that wish he was gone.

Wow, he really is going to be around a while then.

(as Jethro prepares to have things thrown at him and gets ready for Michigan football punch lines or Amaker comments)

I didn't expect that the rabid State fans would say, "Yeah, he's going".

If he's got such great classes coming in, why was I reading a few pages back that "the cupboard is bare".

I guess I need to go back and look at context.

EDIT: Here's the quote that is confusing me.


things are not looking good in spartan land tonight boys and girls.

Looking to next season, Im worried. Neitzel better grow by leaps and bounds and MoJo and Walton better mature real quick. The cupboard looks quite bare for 06-07.

I didn't expect that the rabid State fans would say, "Yeah, he's going".

If he's got such great classes coming in, why was I reading a few pages back that "the cupboard is bare".

I guess I need to go back and look at context.

EDIT: Here's the quote that is confusing me.


things are not looking good in spartan land tonight boys and girls.

Looking to next season, Im worried. Neitzel better grow by leaps and bounds and MoJo and Walton better mature real quick. The cupboard looks quite bare for 06-07.

MSU is adding a top ten class, but if Brown leaves the '06-'07 team will be a bad team. Simple as that.

How is it obsurd that 1 year can be bare, but overall healthy?

I didn't expect that the rabid State fans would say, "Yeah, he's going".

If he's got such great classes coming in, why was I reading a few pages back that "the cupboard is bare".

I guess I need to go back and look at context.

EDIT: Here's the quote that is confusing me.


things are not looking good in spartan land tonight boys and girls.

Looking to next season, Im worried. Neitzel better grow by leaps and bounds and MoJo and Walton better mature real quick. The cupboard looks quite bare for 06-07.

It's because MSU is losing two 18 ppg scorers and they're gaining three freshmen, one of which is likely to redshirt. They had little depth this season and they're essentially losing two seniors and gaining two freshmen...and as promising as Dahlman and Morgan are, that's not exactly the most advantageous of tradeoffs.

So while next season looks like it could be "similar" to this season (in the output, not in the preseason hype) the 07-08 season and even more so with the 08-09 season...they legitimately look like national title contending seasons.

And that is ultimately what will keep Izzo around for at least four or five more seasons.

Thanks for the clarification, you guys really know your stuff.

good post Jack, I was just about to post something similar, but then I read yours.

So, by Tre's definition, the whole "cupboard is bare" thing just means it won't matter when they get bumped in the first round again because there was no expectations, right?

You guys are setting yourselves up pretty well here. A bad season can get swept under the rug, and yet, with the comments about Final Four potential, you're putting something in there where, in the event the team catches a break, you can say "See. I told you all along that this team was going to be solid and Izzo was staying and he'll win a championship because of these two recruiting classes, blah, blah, blah"

So, by Tre's definition, the whole "cupboard is bare" thing just means it won't matter when they get bumped in the first round again because there was no expectations, right?

You guys are setting yourselves up pretty well here. A bad season can get swept under the rug, and yet, with the comments about Final Four potential, you're putting something in there where, in the event the team catches a break, you can say "See. I told you all along that this team was going to be solid and Izzo was staying and he'll win a championship because of these two recruiting classes, blah, blah, blah"

And what are -your- expectations Jethro for the Jerret Smith led Michigan Wolverines? I don't care that you guys haven't sniffed the tournament in a decade...I hope you aren't "settling" for anything less than a National Championship.

Regardless of whether they have the roster and talent to do it or not, that regretable display of lowered expectations just wouldn't be fair to your Michigan Wolverines, let alone to your precious moral fiber.

Be a man and throw any semblance of realistic expectations out the fucking window. [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

Michigan football and Michigan basketball are two totally different creatures. My hope is for Michigan basketball to someday win another championship in my lifetime, but they have a long way to go. So, until they reach the level of competing for championships, I can find small pleasures in them taking steps. But yet, even then, always upset when a season ends with a loss.

If you're going to try to compare State hoops with Michigan hoops, you're just fishing for compliments and comparing yourself to mediocre teams.

By the way, from what I've seen so far, I'm ok having Jerrett Smith. I don't think Travis Walton will be lighting him up anytime soon.

Michigan football and Michigan basketball are two totally different creatures. My hope is for Michigan basketball to someday win another championship in my lifetime, but they have a long way to go. So, until they reach the level of competing for championships, I can find small pleasures in them taking steps. But yet, even then, always upset when a season ends with a loss.

If you're going to try to compare State hoops with Michigan hoops, you're just fishing for compliments and comparing yourself to mediocre teams.

By the way, from what I've seen so far, I'm ok having Jerrett Smith. I don't think Travis Walton will be lighting him up anytime soon.

Walton may not light him up, but Smith will shut down/raped, or Walton will switch to Harris and shut him down.

Walton = D, Smith = unknown

Jethro, you sound like you are just looking for something to argue about. I don't know what you are talking about in regards to expectations, etc. All that anyone said here was that the future was bright, as opposed to the cupboard being bare. You're taking comments and running with them way too far.

I think you are becoming obsessed with MSU basketball a bit. You're spending more time placing expectations on MSU, than worrying about your own programs.

Last time I checked, things weren't exactly well in Ann Arbor. Like Jack said, maybe you ought to worry about UM's expectations and quit obsessing about MSU. I think we will be just fine. Jack go ahead and post the pic of the incoming trio here.

Michigan football and Michigan basketball are two totally different creatures. My hope is for Michigan basketball to someday win another championship in my lifetime, but they have a long way to go. So, until they reach the level of competing for championships, I can find small pleasures in them taking steps. But yet, even then, always upset when a season ends with a loss.

If you're going to try to compare State hoops with Michigan hoops, you're just fishing for compliments and comparing yourself to mediocre teams.

By the way, from what I've seen so far, I'm ok having Jerrett Smith. I don't think Travis Walton will be lighting him up anytime soon.

Okay that was a whole lot of bullshit. I'll translate for the class...

You are SETTLING because of REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS.

And Travis Walton won't have to light Jerret up anytime soon. There will be plenty of others to do that job for him...but I can guarantee you though that Travis won't have too difficult a time shutting Jerret's ass down.

Jack go ahead and post the pic of the incoming trio here.

It's all good Tre, I got you.

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/8875/brokeback5oc.jpg
"incoming" trio! LOL! [smilie=great.gif]

As horrible as that pic is, the first thing I saw was Mateen with the National Championship net around his neck.

Well, I guess we won't be hearing jokes about us losing to George Mason anymore. Who would've thought that the Spartans actually got royally screwed by getting George freaking Mason in the first round.

Why won't you be hearing jokes anymore? You lost to them w/o their starting point guard/2nd leading scorer. YOU LOST, period, paragraph, end of story. You don't get a free pass because they went to the final four. You should be kicking yourself because if you could've beaten George Mason you would be in the final four according to your logic.................So later today when the kids leave for lunch, I want you to stand up from your desk and walk to the back of the room where nobody can see you and kick yourself square in the ass for blowing your chance to cut down the nets by losing to George Mason. If only man, if only!!!

I want you to know Tre, I've been waiting all day for you to post that. The second that George Mason won I told about 6 people here that you would make that exact post and they are cracking up right now because I was right............so I have to at least say thanks for that playa!

If you are thinking about me after an NCAA game, thinking about what I'm going to say on WTF, and then telling everybody what I'm going to say... you have some serious issues. Whoa.

That sounds a little obsessive. I don't want any part of that playa. Any dude that is thinking about another guy that much in their free time is a little sick. [smilie=heartbeat.g: [smilie=humpy.gif] [smilie=heartbeat.g:

I'm sorry dog, but I don't think about you or what you are going to say when I watch sporting events. [smilie=arrgh.jpg]



But, in response, isn't that what ALL fans do? Their squad loses to a team, that team does well, and then you say, well, at least we lost to a good team.

Well, I guess we won't be hearing jokes about us losing to George Mason anymore. Who would've thought that the Spartans actually got royally screwed by getting George freaking Mason in the first round.

I expected this from the Sparty faithful. But it doesn't matter. Pre-season hype, #1 on magazines, and then falling flat on your face, going 8-8 in the "Little" Ten, ousted by Iowa in the conference tourney, and a first round NCAA loss = A BIG BUST. [smilie=applause.gi:

I refuse to be categorized with my Spartan brethren on this topic. Any Spartan fan that feels better about this season because George Mason is in the Final Four should go sit in the corner with the Michigan fans that want respect for NIT wins. MSU choked this season, badly, and Michigan is no where.

I refuse to be categorized with my Spartan brethren on this topic. Any Spartan fan that feels better about this season because George Mason is in the Final Four should go sit in the corner with the Michigan fans that want respect for NIT wins. MSU choked this season, badly, and Michigan is no where.

Whatever, Michigan was the #1 NIT seed, which makes them the #17 seed in the NCAA Tourney. I'm proud!

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I expected this from the Sparty faithful. But it doesn't matter. Pre-season hype, #1 on magazines, and then falling flat on your face, going 8-8 in the "Little" Ten, ousted by Iowa in the conference tourney, and a first round NCAA loss = A BIG BUST. [smilie=applause.gi:

Totally agree. But, I'd leave out the clapping emoticon because you are in the exact same boat as a Michigan fan. It's hard to make fun of another school when your school finished an embarrassing season.


SpartyNick wrote:
I refuse to be categorized with my Spartan brethren on this topic. Any Spartan fan that feels better about this season because George Mason is in the Final Four should go sit in the corner with the Michigan fans that want respect for NIT wins. MSU choked this season, badly, and Michigan is no where.

We fly off the handle a little too much here on WTF. My post was a half ass, "at least we know GM is good" killing time post. It was intended to be a mix of fan depression, sarcasm, and humor. Don't put too much weight on my random pissed 1-2 line offseason comments. haha My feelings about the season haven't changed. It sucked. My expectation was a NC, so I have no problem admitting how disappointing it was.

MoTown wrote: Whatever, Michigan was the #1 NIT seed, which makes them the #17 seed in the NCAA Tourney. I'm proud!

I hope he's kidding.

MoTown wrote: Whatever, Michigan was the #1 NIT seed, which makes them the #17 seed in the NCAA Tourney. I'm proud!

I hope he's kidding.

Me too.

I refuse to be categorized with my Spartan brethren on this topic. Any Spartan fan that feels better about this season because George Mason is in the Final Four should go sit in the corner with the Michigan fans that want respect for NIT wins. MSU choked this season, badly, and Michigan is no where.

Totally agree. [smilie=applause.gi: In response to Tre, I've got to agree. Michigan football and Michigan State Basketball had similar bust-a-riffic seasons. Like the aptly named thread, "The season of the bust."

Things suck. I'm searching ebay for a Jai Lewis George Mason jersey as we speak. [smilie=arrgh.jpg]

Charlie Bell boy! Anybody see Bell's line the other night? He posted a Triple Double for the Bucks! I've watched him a few times lately for the Bucks and he is ballin'! He's really improved his 3 ball and he's added that to what he learned at MSU- Defense and Rebounding.

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MoTown wrote: Whatever, Michigan was the #1 NIT seed, which makes them the #17 seed in the NCAA Tourney. I'm proud!

I hope he's kidding.

Yikes.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm

There definately needs to be a sarcasm emoticon of some sort.

There definately needs to be a sarcasm emoticon of some sort.

That would be this emoticon that I put right after the post: [smilie=anxious.gif]

That's the "anxious" emoticon. At least that's what it says when I post it.

Michigan State wins by 10 today. They were up 20 in the second half, the bench boys let the score creep closer. Neitzel did not start because he was sick, which makes the 64-44 score in the second half pretty nice.

Raymar Morgan came up big in his college debut! 16 points, 12 boards, and 3 blocks, 3 for 3 behind the arc, which is not really his game. Apparantly looked very good as did Suton once again with 15 pts and 12 boards.

Raymar getting lots of love already.

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/basketball/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/116277540692820.xml&coll=1

Careful, you wouldn't want your program to have expectations now, would you?

Careful, you wouldn't want your program to have expectations now, would you?
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Careful, you wouldn't want your program to have expectations now, would you?

Well with Morgan looking good, I guess I should just predict MSU to win every single game for the next four years and pull a Jethro.

Or I could pull a Moodini and rip my team and their chances all preseason only to flip flop mid season.

So Tre since you already basically ripped MSU this preseason in the other thread...will you flip flop if MSU is much better at mid season..:)

Pull a Jethro? Why, because I generally pick Michigan to win every football game? Wow, you just defined the difference in two programs right there.

So Tre since you already basically ripped MSU this preseason in the other thread...will you flip flop if MSU is much better at mid season..:)

Just to clarify, I never ripped MSU. I was just honest about how good they will be. I said they are going to be bad. I didn't rip their players, coaches, or program. No, I won't flip flop. I'd love to admit that I was wrong and have them surprise though. I'd be thrilled!

No Jethro, I didn't define a difference between the two programs, I defined a difference between you and I. I can be realistic. I haven't picked MSU in every single game they've ever played. That's just ridiculous.

I would be careful with your use of the word "generally." I've never heard you pick Michigan to lose in the 4 years we've been boys.

You didn't pick them in every game because they didn't have a realistic chance to win every game. Michigan has had that. They haven't been solidly beaten since the Tennessee bowl game. Why? ELITE boy!

I have clearly talked about games I was concerned about and had a hard time picking Michigan, but thought in the end they would pull it out. I've done that a number of times this year even. Forgetting already?

Well with Morgan looking good, I guess I should just predict MSU to win every single game for the next four years and pull a Jethro.

Or I could pull a Moodini and rip my team and their chances all preseason only to flip flop mid season.

Uhh....



2. No cornbread here, but Michigan is going to bounce back in a big way. Their 7-5 record from last year has fueled the off-season workouts and everyone is coming back stronger, leaner, and most importantly, hungry. Ron English runs a more aggressive defensive scheme, the new LB coach served under Bill Belichick in New England, and Mike DeBord is the OC again and does anyone remember what happened last team he was the OC? 1997 National Champions, 1999 Big Ten Champions, 2000 Orange Bowl champions.
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You didn't pick them in every game because they didn't have a realistic chance to win every game. Michigan has had that. They haven't been solidly beaten since the Tennessee bowl game. Why? ELITE boy!

I have clearly talked about games I was concerned about and had a hard time picking Michigan, but thought in the end they would pull it out. I've done that a number of times this year even. Forgetting already?

Michigan State was preseason #4 last year. Why didn't they have a chance to win every single game. Every team on their schedule was ranked below them.

It's not that you picked them every game this year, it's that you have NEVER picked them to lose a game. I'm sorry but saying you are concerned is a joke, you've still picked Michigan to go 48-0 since I've known you. How is that working out Jethro?

OMG- Moodini you are so full of shit! Are you really going to try to convince everybody that you were high on Michigan and you picked them from the start this year?????!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do I need to start post searching? Do I need to post your statment about how they don't have a shot in hell to beat Notre Dame? Give me a break! Do I need to find the posts where you admitedly flip flopped and were glad to? Wooooooow

Wrong. I picked them to lose to USC, I picked them to lose to Ohio State last year, I picked them to lose to Iowa a few years back. So 45-3, thank you very much. Actually not even that, because I picked them to lose a lot more in the Navarre era.

OMG- Moodini you are so full of shit! Are you really going to try to convince everybody that you were high on Michigan and you picked them from the start this year?????!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do I need to start post searching? Do I need to post your statment about how they don't have a shot in hell to beat Notre Dame? Give me a break! Do I need to find the posts where you admitedly flip flopped and were glad to? Wooooooow

Did I pick Michigan to win the National Championship? No. But if you read the post, I said I expected Michigan to bounce back in a big way. It's not like I said they were going to suck, and then they got on a roll, and I was like I called it and I feel it booooyeee. I picked them to be 10-2 with losses @ ND and @ Ohio State. I guess they bounced back in an even bigger way than I thought.

Just don't come on here and say I flip flopped about Michigan. Flip flopping is completely changing from one side of the spectrum to the other. Michigan just exceeded my already high expectations.

LMAO @ the brown score!!!! hahahaahahhahahahaahahahahahaha


hahaahahahahaahahahahahahaha

Thank god I dont have to hear the BS about MSU hoops this year

LMAO @ the brown score!!!! hahahaahahhahahahaahahahahahaha


hahaahahahahaahahahahahahaha

Thank god I dont have to hear the BS about MSU hoops this year

What did I tell you? IDIOT MICHIGAN FANS.

BTW, I almost nailed it. Picked State by 9, unexplainable Brown foul with 8 seconds put State up 11, dang.

You know what's really funny Muhme? This will be our worst season in a decade and yet, it will still probably be better than Michigan's best season over the past 10 years.

You know what's really funny Muhme? This will be our worst season in a decade and yet, it will still probably be better than Michigan's best season over the past 10 years.
lol...fair enough. Michigan basketball has sucked ass the past ten years. I cant hide from that.

You know what's really funny Muhme? This will be our worst season in a decade and yet, it will still probably be better than Michigan's best season over the past 10 years.

Michigan State's record was worse than Michigan's last year.

Michigan State's record was worse than Michigan's last year.

Yes, do you think that has something to do with the fact that while you were playing Arkansas State A&M, we were playing Gonzaga, Boston College, Arizona, etc. MSU played 5 opponents last year in the Top 10.

We made the tournament, where were your boys? Racking up wins in the NIT so that you could claim you had a better record.

The NCAA Selection Committee isn't fooled by joke programs that schedule JV talent, why are you?

The selection committee is fooled by preseason hype. They always have been.
By the way, what cost Michigan was their brutal performance in the last 3 games. Otherwise they were in.

uh-huh, yup...okay

Anyways, I refuse to talk about jokester Michigan Basketball in the Michigan State Basketball thread.

MSU went to 2-0 beating Youngstown State by 25 last night. I was really happy with their performance for several reasons.

1) Neitzel answers bad performance. Lights Out scored the first 12 MSU points hitting 4 straight 3's. Sick

2) The emergence of MoJo. I was really worried about MoJo, he wasn't showing anything in the preseason. He was great for the second straight game last night hitting 4-4 three pointers. He scored 16 and if MSU can get close to that from him this season, they might knock off a couple middle of the road BT teams that they otherwise would lose to.

3) Naymick. This guy looked like garbage in practice. They really need him to provide rebounds and defense. He had a nice game which is good.

MSU could meet Texas in the Garden. More National coverage for the Spartans! It's always a good thing, however I don't know if getting waxed by a ranked team on National TV is a good thing.

For State to be decent at all, they better hope Neitzel is more like last night or better.
But you have to be VERY happy with Joseph. He has been big at times the teams has definitely needed someone. Suton has been solid as well. Morgan looks like he'll be the player you were hyping him to be.
Outside of those compliments, what is going on with Gray? Is there any hope for State fans that he'll ever get it?

For State to be decent at all, they better hope Neitzel is more like last night or better.
But you have to be VERY happy with Joseph. He has been big at times the teams has definitely needed someone. Suton has been solid as well. Morgan looks like he'll be the player you were hyping him to be.
Outside of those compliments, what is going on with Gray? Is there any hope for State fans that he'll ever get it?

I talked to a few people that were at MSU's games. Gave little excitement about the team, as expected. But, their faces lit up when talking about Morgan. One dude said, "Morgan is flat out unbelievable for a freshman, he's going to be great." That is exactly what I saw at practice too. Keep in mind though, he is a freshman. You look at his body and his flashes and you can see what is to come. People better not put too much weight on him though, he's still going to be up and down all season because he is a freshman.

Gray has all sorts of issues. First of all, he's injury plagued. He has a killer ankle sprain and to his credit he's playing on it and most wouldn't. It is a high ankle sprain which are the worst kind and can hardly get up. Combine that with him being slow mentally and it hurts him. When I say slow though, I'm not pissed at the guy. If he was lazy and didn't try to understand the complexities of the offense, I would hate him. But, he tries. I can't fault him for that. On top of it, he has the Anagonye syndrome. Foul a minute. He will get a sick block or dunk and he gets so silly hyped that he gets out of position the next play. This guy will have flashes of unbelievable athletic ability though this year. He's fun to watch when playing well.

Well, the Spartans locked up win #3. I'll take every win I can get. I really like the way their offense is spread around. And I'm shocked by the fact that Dahlman is getting PT. He looked far from ready in practice. Way too weak. But hey, I'll take it.

I think that might change come BT season though when players he's playing against are stronger.

I'm excited about the Spartans playing in the Garden on Thursday on National Television. But, I'm not excited about them playing against Texas. YIKES. That one might get ugly. I hope not though. Sucks, I don't want to see ranked teams this year at all. Still will be cool to see the Spartans in the Garden though.

The selection committee is fooled by preseason hype. They always have been.

"The selection committee is fooled by by preseason hype".

LOL. Whatever...but that's just not true.

Preseason hype doesn't last into March. By that time, THIRTY some odd games into the season... your hype has either faded or has been proven true. You are what you are come Selection Sunday.

Bo go right ahead and keep making excuses for MSU's inclusion in the tournament last year and UM's EXclusion.


Back to the present though. I really think that MSU can take down Texas this Thursday. They're --younger-- than MSU this year. They lack experience. Sure they have a little more high profile talent with Durant leading the way but they don't have NEAR the size and strength that MSU boasts and if they get at all cold from the field, and they shoot a ton of threes...MSU is going to rebound and muscle their way to an upset victory.

"The selection committee is fooled by by preseason hype".

LOL. Whatever...but that's just not true.

Preseason hype doesn't last into March. By that time, THIRTY some odd games into the season... your hype has either faded or has been proven true. You are what you are come Selection Sunday.

Bo go right ahead and keep making excuses for MSU's inclusion in the tournament last year and UM's EXclusion.


Back to the present though. I really think that MSU can take down Texas this Thursday. They're --younger-- than MSU this year. They lack experience. Sure they have a little more high profile talent with Durant leading the way but they don't have NEAR the size and strength that MSU boasts and if they get at all cold from the field, and they shoot a ton of threes...MSU is going to rebound and muscle their way to an upset victory.

Jack!! Welcome back homie! I was just talking to another WTFer the other day about how you haven't been around. Glad you are back.

I love the enthusiasm and hope you are right with your pick, but it's not gonna happen my man. Most people have false hope (not saying you are one of them) because they see 3 wins, but they haven't actually seen MSU play.

Trust me, without guards, it ain't pretty. State should lose by 20 or so. Keeping it within 5-6 would take a really good performance. I'll definately start a OGT for the Texas game. But who knows, maybe Raymar and Drew can come up big and pull off the big upset. I tell you what, it would do wonders for the NCAA tourney chances and I'd be estatic.

Outside of Durant, Texas has NO size. Just like we're going to have difficulties with all of their guards....they are going to have a hard time dealing with all of MSU's size, regardless of whether MSU's size is extremely skilled or not. Size is size and we have a lot of it.

The only game this year that I haven't watched every second was the Youngstown game which wasn't televised outside of Lansing. So I've seen what MSU has to offer thus far. This matchup isn't as lopsided as some might think. State is going to win the rebounding battle and they're going to rack up quite a few offensive rebounds. Those two things have a way of erasing a LOT of youthful mistakes.

Should be interesting. The first few minutes will decide the game.

Back it up with proof.
If you are ranked in the preseason top 25, it takes at least 5 or 6 pretty rough losses to drop you out of it.
If you aren't in the preseason top 25, you can go 10-0 to start the season and not even sniff the top 25. Unless you beat a top 10 team, you're completely overlooked. If you do beat a top 10 team, you crawl into the low 20's.
All of that carries over month after month. You can have teams with identical records, one with the higher RPI, the other with preseason hype, and at the end of the year the preseason hype team is ranked higher. Guarantee. And when the tough decisions are made by the selection committee gets right down to it, they're influenced as well.
I promise I could come up with examples before you could in the opposite.

If Texas, or any team for that matter, is able to pressure MSU's guards into turning the ball over then I don't think a rebounding advantage will be able to save them.

I am pumped for the first big game of the '06 / '07 season though.

GO GREEN

Turning the ball over has been an issue for State. I hope they take care of the rock. They can compete with better teams if they don't turn over the ball and play defense.

Let's move this to the OGT.

Jethro, you are right. When you are 10-0 to start the season and all your wins came against JV teams, you won't sniff the Top 25. If you believe preseason hype is hard to overcome, you only have to do one thing...

Schedule the big boys and beat them. You'll get all the hype you want if you do that.

Back it up with proof.

If you aren't in the preseason top 25, you can go 10-0 to start the season and not even sniff the top 25. Unless you beat a top 10 team, you're completely overlooked.

Like Tre said, you're looking at this from a Michigan perspective and the Michigan perspective is warped because UM has scheduled very easy over the last handful of years. Of course it's going to be hard to climb into the top 25 over your first 12 games or so if you -aren't- playing many ranked opponents in your OOC schedule.

And those teams with 4 or 5 losses that stay in the top 25...like Arizona last year. Those losses generally come to teams that are also in the top 25. Play a hard OOC schedule for a change and it's amazing how much respect comes your way.

But the problem is that if you have the preseason hype you can schedule whoever you want and you stay there. Top 20 teams don't have to schedule other top 20 teams. In fact, if they schedule them, they can lose every time and as long as they have a .750 overall record (15 crappy wins and 5 good losses) they stay there. Meanwhile, a team like Michigan can go 18-2 (18 crappy wins and 2 good losses) and the other team is always ranked 10-20 spots higher.

I can see where you're coming from, but can you also at least see my point?

What carried that other team through? Pre-season hype alone.

But the problem is that if you have the preseason hype you can schedule whoever you want and you stay there. Top 20 teams don't have to schedule other top 20 teams. In fact, if they schedule them, they can lose every time and as long as they have a .750 overall record (15 crappy wins and 5 good losses) they stay there. Meanwhile, a team like Michigan can go 18-2 (18 crappy wins and 2 good losses) and the other team is always ranked 10-20 spots higher.

I can see where you're coming from, but can you also at least see my point?

What carried that other team through? Pre-season hype alone.

Well, all I can say to that is that you create your own hype. If you establish tradition and a reputation of having great teams and players, you get hype. Izzo had to build that, it wasn't handed to him.

I can see where you're coming from, but can you also at least see my point?

What carried that other team through? Pre-season hype alone.

Of course I see where you're coming from and sure hype affects the rankings early on in the season on-through to the start of the conference slates...but for most of the ranked teams out there, the real tests continue in-conference. The legit teams are able to hold onto their rankings and prove their hype worthy. The instance of a preseason imposter being able to fool the committee into only judging them on their early season hype is so few and far inbetween.

Only preseason highly ranked mid-majors like Gonzaga can rest on their hype and OOC laurels and coast through till Selection Sunday. The other 99% of the teams out there have to continue to prove their worth in-conference. True, that preseason ranking helps for a little while, but (outside of exceptions like the Zags) it doesn't last until March. I don't even think it lasts until February.

Your resume is what it is come Selection Sunday and you don't have to be ranked in the top 25 in order to be invited to the Dance.

Of course I see where you're coming from and sure hype affects the rankings early on in the season on-through to the start of the conference slates...but for most of the ranked teams out there, the real tests continue in-conference. The legit teams are able to hold onto their rankings and prove their hype worthy. The instance of a preseason imposter being able to fool the committee into only judging them on their early season hype is so few and far inbetween.

Only preseason highly ranked mid-majors like Gonzaga can rest on their hype and OOC laurels and coast through till Selection Sunday. The other 99% of the teams out there have to continue to prove their worth in-conference. True, that preseason ranking helps for a little while, but (outside of exceptions like the Zags) it doesn't last until March. I don't even think it lasts until February.

Your resume is what it is come Selection Sunday and you don't have to be ranked in the top 25 in order to be invited to the Dance.

I agree with this. A couple of years ago Izzo scheduled what was believed to be the most difficult non-conference schedule in the history of college basketball. I believe they played Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, etc. They started out the year in the Top 5. They lingured in the top 25 for awhile but eventually dropped out due to losing to all the great teams. Barely made the tourney. I along with the rest of the country hyped them preseason due to them making the Elite 8 the previous year. That "hype" got them a 9 seed.

LMAO @ the brown score!!!! hahahaahahhahahahaahahahahahaha


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Thank god I dont have to hear the BS about MSU hoops this year

Hi Muhme! How ya doin' buddy?

Izzo says that Trannon is leaning toward return. I bet the good showing last year probably helped the situation. If I was Trannon, I would want to play on that team. This team would cater to his strengths. Solid defensive, rebounding team which is exactly what Trannon specializes in.

He would be a big addition! He'd be much more consistent than Gray!

In addition, John L. apparatly told Trannon he should play bball because NFL teams seem to be enamored right now with bball players that can convert ala Gates. He told him that he could demonstrate his athleticism just as well on the court as he could at the combine.

I hope he returns soon!

You overuse the exclamation point!

You overuse the exclamation point!
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I haven't compared the dates, but how does playing hoops matchup with a schedule that SHOULD include the Senior Bowl, the combine, etc?
I realize that hoops is great conditioning, but not sure it's what he needs most.
Bottom line - he is State's all-time leading reciever, and I don't think a single team would be willing to compare him to Mason, Burress, Rison, Muhammed, or any other Spartan WR that has had a successful NFL career. So there are obviously specific things he needs to work on. Probably needs to become a TE.

Not sure what the dates are, but I don't think it matters. I agree with John L.-for once. If he shows great athleticism and toughness on the basketball court...NFL coaches will dream of Gates #2. Not out of the question with him either, especially considering the fact that Gates was a Spartan too.

For the sake of my post being educated, I did a little research.

Senior Bowl is Jan 27.

Combine is generally the last week in Feb.

Draft is at the end of April, meaning individual workouts are in March and April.

I understand what you're saying, but if he wants to improve his draft stock based on football measurements, he should be on that schedule.

If he wants to leave it up to GM's to take a chance based on athleticism, he should play hoops.

Personally, I would go the NFL schedule route to try to get that guaranteed money.

Good work homeboy. BTW, when are you going to start showing up to practices to give me play by play on the State games? c'mon!

Another win for the Spartans today. Gray finally came to play and recorded a double double. That is very nice to see! The Spartans can now gear up for another good opponent in Boston College.

Izzo did a great job of weakening the schedule for this year, glad he did that. However, Texas, Maryland, and Boston College aren't too bad non conference games.

Side note: Bradley who is on MSU's schedule killed Gonzaga after the Zags beat #2 UNC. That should be a very very tough game that I didn't anticipate. I'll be lookin forward to that one.

Keep em rollin Tommy, Go State!

Side note: Bradley who is on MSU's schedule killed Gonzaga after the Zags beat #2 UNC. That should be a very very tough game that I didn't anticipate. I'll be lookin forward to that one.



Bradley beat Rutgers, not Gonzaga, then lost to the so-so Illini. Nice try.:cnr:

Bradley beat Rutgers, not Gonzaga, then lost to the so-so Illini. Nice try.:cnr:

My bad, 2 people told me that Bradley beat Gonzaga. Turns out it was Butler. I should have checked it. But, Illinois is more than so-so. Not sure what "nice try" means. I made a mistake about some other teams resume.

Man, Suton is absolutely bitch made! I am so tired of this guy blowing easy buckets and turning the ball over. He acts nervous everytime he touches the ball. He took a three which was a bad choice to begin with, but then gets it blocked. If a 6'10 guy shoots the ball, he better be WIDE open. And if a 6'10" guy gets a freaking jumper blocked, YOU SHOULDN'T BE SHOOTING IT!

Okay, I don't mind the MSU loss today. I really hoped for a win though. BC isn't that good after watching them. Just 2 really good players. But man, MSU shot terrible. They are going to lose games when everybody shoots bad. They aren't good enough to overcome off nights. Just wish it wasn't that ugly. With that said, this is their first bad performance. I can live with that.

I'm glad to see you talk about BC not being that good, because I was really wondering why you were hyping this game so much. I held off on asking the question because I didn't want to seem typical.
By the way, I saw Neitzel go down at the end right before I had to leave. Is he ok?

I'm so sick of the ACC kicking the crap out of the Big Ten in this event.

I'm glad to see you talk about BC not being that good, because I was really wondering why you were hyping this game so much. I held off on asking the question because I didn't want to seem typical.
By the way, I saw Neitzel go down at the end right before I had to leave. Is he ok?

I'm so sick of the ACC kicking the crap out of the Big Ten in this event.

They aren't that good, but they are picked #3 by the coaches in the ACC. That's not bad. I hyped it because every decent team MSU plays is a big game for them. They need every possible win and if they can steal a couple against average teams then they'll be alright.

Neitzel just had a cramp and is fine.

The Spartans had an amazing performance today. I thought this was going to be a very evenly matched game. I probably would have taken the Spartans by about 5. But, they came out the second half and absolutely dominated! A 30 point win against a solid Bradley team. Bradley has hung with good teams and they are coming off a nice tourney run last year.

Very excited to see the Spartans bounce back and now lets string together several wins.

Raymar Morgan, out for 3-4 weeks with a stress fracture. I think that will definitely hurt the Sparties. The coach of the Spartans will have to come up with something big these next couple weeks, but at least he'll be back for the Big Ten.

Raymar Morgan, out for 3-4 weeks with a stress fracture. I think that will definitely hurt the Sparties. The coach of the Spartans will have to come up with something big these next couple weeks, but at least he'll be back for the Big Ten.

He's out maximum 2 weeks.

Stress fracture to what? Foot, hand? If it's only 2 weeks I'm guessing hand.

Stress fracture to what? Foot, hand? If it's only 2 weeks I'm guessing hand.

I think its his foot. A LOT of State bball players have had stress fractures through the years, I think its due to really hitting the weights and working out.

From what I've heard Raymar's fracture is a very minor one. Just a small fracture found.

He actually has shin splints, has been told to simply rest and he could be back Saturday.............has nothing to do with hitting the weights one bit in this scenario.

He actually has shin splints, has been told to simply rest and he could be back Saturday.............has nothing to do with hitting the weights one bit in this scenario.

Good, but where did your 4 weeks come from then?

37 point win tonight. Another stellar defensive performance. The competition was whack, but the defense continues to improve. Not because of the result, but because of the way they are doing it.

The 4 weeks came from your own Jim Comp. on spartanmag.com...............so if you want to blame anyone, put it on that cat. I was looking around the other day and he went off on a rant and sounded like he was crying while writing about stress fractures, then the next day there was a Freep article stating that Morgan's doctor diagnosed him with shin splints.

The 4 weeks came from your own Jim Comp. on spartanmag.com...............so if you want to blame anyone, put it on that cat. I was looking around the other day and he went off on a rant and sounded like he was crying while writing about stress fractures, then the next day there was a Freep article stating that Morgan's doctor diagnosed him with shin splints.

It is frustrating how many stress fractures they get. All the way back to the Mateen days.