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Glenn
01-24-2006, 08:49 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2304512


A tentative agreement for a trade that would have sent the Indiana Pacers forward Ron Artest to the Sacramento Kings in exchange for Peja Stojakovic has been rejected, ESPN's Jim Gray reported Tuesday.

Gray reported earlier Tuesday that both teams had agreed to the trade, pending league approval. Then, according to Gray, Artest informed both teams he did not want to go to the Kings. In light of that, Gray reported, the Kings have decided to reject the trade.

Indiana coach Rick Carlisle said Tuesday night that the trade wasn't going to happen.


http://www.nypost.com/sports/59477.htm


ARTEST-FOR-PEJA GETTIN' CLOSE

January 24, 2006 -- I have it on excellent authority the Pacers and Kings are exceedingly close to swapping Ron Artest (three more years after this on his contract with a right to opt out after two) for Peja Stojakovic, who has the freedom to opt out after this season or play out the next.

Then again, let me put it another way: The two teams are as close as my Paper Clips were to acquiring Artest for Corey Maggette before an Indiana doctor decided the swingman's left ankle was too great a risk.

According to three sources, it's strictly Sacramento's call; the Pacers are agreeable and ready to deal, and are waiting for the Kings to make up their mind.

Gecko
01-24-2006, 08:58 AM
That would certainly be a coup for the Pacers. I am not a Peja fan but I can't imagine them getting anything better for Ronny.

Glenn
01-24-2006, 09:04 AM
There used to be a time (2 years ago) when I thought that the Pacers adding Peja would be big trouble for us.

That was when our interior defense was almost inpenetrable, we simply did not allow dribble penetration. The only way to score was to shoot over our bigs.

That really doesn't seem to be the case anymore, but Peja has since dropped off a bit. Some think it's because of his back issues. One thing is for sure, he's certainly not 100% healthy.

I still hope this doesn't happen because I like Peja, and I don't want him helping out a team that I hate.

MoTown
01-24-2006, 09:15 AM
The Pacers need to get whatever the hell they can for Artest. They've screwed around enough and missed out on a couple trades that would have helped them (Magette). Their season is over now that they've fucked around so much.

Pharaoh
01-24-2006, 09:24 AM
Almost certain?

It's been talked about for 2 fucking years.

If it goes down it might spark some other GM's to finally make their moves, but I'm not gonna get all excited just yet.

TK
01-24-2006, 09:49 AM
I still hope this doesn't happen because I like Peja, and I don't want him helping out a team that I hate.

That's exactly how I feel about it.

Black Dynamite
01-24-2006, 10:14 AM
this is vescey reporting though. not all that trustworthy IMO. but if so then indy has their reggie miller type pure shooter.

the wrath of diddy
01-24-2006, 10:15 AM
He'll only be a Pacer for a few months. His contract is up at the end of the year and I bet he bolts.

Black Dynamite
01-24-2006, 10:16 AM
He'll only be a Pacer for a few months. His contract is up at the end of the year and I bet he bolts.
well toronto seems to be the place for him if they can affotrd it. very high serbian population i read.

Glenn
01-24-2006, 10:28 AM
Peja has hinted that he wants to be in Chicago for years now.

They've (Bulls) got the ability to make it happen if the feeling is mutual.

Pharaoh
01-24-2006, 11:08 AM
And I doubt the Bulls trade for him.

Why give up something now when they can buy him in the off-season?

lmcpherson
01-24-2006, 11:25 AM
Not only that, but he's apparently fond of Scott Skiles, who coached him in Greece.

That's assuming, of course, that Skiles gets another year...

Matt
01-24-2006, 11:45 AM
Not only that, but he's apparently fond of Scott Skiles, who coached him in Greece.

That's assuming, of course, that Skiles gets another year...

hey lee, nice to see you around. i didn't know that Skiles coached Peja in Greece.

Glenn
01-24-2006, 11:49 AM
And I doubt the Bulls trade for him.

Why give up something now when they can buy him in the off-season?

Sorry, that's what I was implying, that the Bulls would go after him after the season.

Gecko
01-24-2006, 11:51 AM
Assuming the Pacers land Peja, how the hell is that going to work with both Peja and Sjax? They just going to let both float around the 3 point line the entire game. If I were the pacers I would try to ship Artest and Jackson for Peja and a banger, maybe Skinner? I haven't checked the numbers just talking outloud here.

Hermy
01-24-2006, 11:53 AM
Assuming the Pacers land Peja, how the hell is that going to work with both Peja and Sjax? They just going to let both float around the 3 point line the entire game. If I were the pacers I would try to ship Artest and Jackson for Peja and a banger, maybe Skinner? I haven't checked the numbers just talking outloud here.

You seem to have forgotten Rick's offensive philosophy.

WTFchris
01-24-2006, 11:55 AM
Assuming the Pacers land Peja, how the hell is that going to work with both Peja and Sjax? They just going to let both float around the 3 point line the entire game. If I were the pacers I would try to ship Artest and Jackson for Peja and a banger, maybe Skinner? I haven't checked the numbers just talking outloud here.

Well, Jackson will have to take on the slasher role that Artest was. He'll have to have the transformation that Stackhouse had in his later years here. Instead of chucking threes, take it to the basket to draw fouls and/or dump it off to JO or Foster for a dunk. Remember they had Reggie standing out there before.

Worst case they can always bring Jackson off the bench for instant offense and it won't matter.

No matter what Indi does in this deal, they won't have a true PG or center still, and we can expose that with Sheed and Billups.

FP22
01-24-2006, 11:58 AM
Anyone remember the last time Tayshaun and Peja faced off? [smilie=applause.gi:

Jethro34
01-24-2006, 12:04 PM
Can anyone picture Peja fitting in terms of chemistry with the Pacers? I just don't see it. I'm not sure if Prick would get much out of him either - at least not what Peja is capable of.

Don't get me wrong, Peja is better than nothing, which is what they have now, but less than what Artest was valued at pre-brawl for sure.

BTW, I think Sac-town is one of the best places for Artest, though I hope Corliss drops an elbow in his grill the first day of practice.

JS
01-24-2006, 12:06 PM
I am not going to bash Vescey on this because he isn't coming out of left field on this, but isn't this the worst possible deal for the Pacers?

Don't get me wrong they are getting back a player with talent as much as they could get in any deal. However they are adding yet another mentally soft player who gets injured a lot to a roster filled with similar players.

The only good that can come from this IMO is if they could get a S&T in the offseason with Chicago and got something they needed. Peja is nowhere near close to his MVP self.

Darth Thanatos
01-24-2006, 12:10 PM
Glenn does it again. Posting a Vecsey article? My Jesus.

Glenn
01-24-2006, 12:14 PM
Glenn does it again. Posting a Vecsey article? My Jesus.

And I'll do it again.

There is a reason that the word "Vecsey" is in the thread title.

Besides, if he says he's got 3 sources, he's probably not flat out lying.

JS
01-24-2006, 12:17 PM
Glenn does it again. Posting a Vecsey article? My Jesus.

I hate to defend Vescey but he has been better lately. He does write a lot of bs but this wasn't written like it is going down yesterday.

He still is 100 times better than McDouchebag who stands his ground on trade talk to the point that last year the Arroyo trade was done and he was on WDFN saying no way Joe will trade for Arroyo.

WTFchris
01-24-2006, 12:42 PM
Peja is listed as a unrestricted FA in 2007. He has a player option for next year. If he opts out, does he only become a restricted FA? If so, then he might not opt out since Indi could match a Bulls offer anyway.

Pharaoh
01-24-2006, 12:45 PM
Technically he doesn't opt out - he opts in because it's a player's option.

But to answer your question:

Unrestricted but with Bird Rights

WTFchris
01-24-2006, 12:48 PM
thanks. Then I agree with WOD. Peja would just become a UFA and sign with the Bulls.

That would totally screw over the Pacers. They'd get enough out of Peja this year to be a 4th or 5th seed and get a bad pick, then Peja leaves for nothing and they are left with JO, Jackson and a bunch of scrubs.

Pharaoh
01-24-2006, 12:56 PM
Except they'd save millions in tax.

They could always do a sign and trade to get Peja the extra season and higher raises too.

WTFchris
01-24-2006, 01:05 PM
A S&T would be great for them, but Peja might not do it. He might though since he's been hurt a lot (extensions minimize risk to missing out on money).

They would save on taxes, but if they are going to suck and save on taxes, they could probably swing other deals to accomplish that.

Pharaoh
01-24-2006, 01:20 PM
They don't really have to swing other deals though.

If Bender retires this off season for medical reasons he comes off the books 12 months later.

Croshere's deal expires in 2007.

Fred Jones is up for another contract this coming off-season.

That's a lot of money gone, just with those 3

Remember that Pollard is expiring this off-season.

IF they play their cards right they could save a ton of money and have a decent team in 2007-08:

C: Foster/Harrison
F: O'Neal
F: Granger
G: Saras
G: Tinsley/Johnson

Those other bench positions could be filled by draft picks in 06 and 07 PLUS a player currently in Chicago that came with S&T.

Their success would depend on Saras, Granger and Harrison's improvement and obviously those other bench positions.

Not a contender, but not a Lotto team either.

CindyKate
01-24-2006, 03:35 PM
S-PEN removed the 'almost' in the thread title.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2304512

Kilo
01-24-2006, 04:02 PM
Peja is having a bad year is all. Supposedly he's suffered since they traded away CWebb. JON should face the same defenses that Webber did and Peja should bounce back.

metr0man
01-24-2006, 04:08 PM
Well this means the Artest-at-the-Palace circus is cancelled then.

JS
01-24-2006, 04:11 PM
I would put money on Petrie selling off Artest. I imagine that the Kings will use the next 4 weeks as an audition process. If they Kings are that much better Ron stays, if they struggle Petrie will work his magic and sell off a bad contract or two with Ron for an expiring deal and picks. Or a player and picks.

Glenn
01-24-2006, 04:16 PM
Glenn does it again. Posting a Vecsey article? My Jesus.

You owe Peter Vecsey an apology.

Black Dynamite
01-24-2006, 04:19 PM
so vecsey got one right? im shocked actually.

MoTown
01-24-2006, 04:20 PM
Well after two years, they finally got the deal done. I take back all the nice things I said about the Pacers. They're moronic for waiting this long. And by this long I don't just mean since Artest asked for a trade, I mean since the trade rumors started 2 1/2 years ago.

Matt
01-24-2006, 04:24 PM
so.....all the hype leading up to the Pistons/Pacers game at the Palace is lost. who is there to hate on the Pacers now? Reggie's gone. Artest is gone. Carlisle? Jerm ONeal?

unless the Pacers become an Eastern Conference contender, the rivalry just doesn't seem to be there anymore.

Black Dynamite
01-24-2006, 04:27 PM
we still have the jealous and excuses for days oneal and jackson. and beating prick carlisle is always cool.

Glenn
01-24-2006, 04:31 PM
I still hate them even with my boy Peja.

He'll probably be hurt by the time we play them anyways.

If he does have a disc problem, and if he doesn't really want to be in Indy, I wouldn't be surprised if he shut it down early this year and had some back surgery.

Hermy
01-24-2006, 04:32 PM
so vecsey got one right? im shocked actually.

Just like he called the Sheed deal, the Arroyo deal, and more than all the "insiders" combined. He lies at times, but he's the only guy I know who's inside on EVERY team.

Black Dynamite
01-24-2006, 04:34 PM
its a good deal for both teams. the pacers get a streaky pure shooter to replace miller in their perimeter game, and the kings get a guy whose gonna be a serious threat in the post and the perimeter who isnt a defensive liability against the likes of mcgrady, bryant, and allen. this could do wonders for the kings lakers rivalry. artest also gets to be very far away from having to constantly hear about the pistons and issues with ben wallace along with a shot at more offensive chances.

Black Dynamite
01-24-2006, 04:35 PM
I still hate them even with my boy Peja.

He'll probably be hurt by the time we play them anyways.

If he does have a disc problem, and if he doesn't really want to be in Indy, I wouldn't be surprised if he shut it down early this year and had some back surgery.
i think he gets inspired to up his value IMO. he can be a serious threat for them. but his defense is trash so i hope he does play.

Glenn
01-24-2006, 04:49 PM
Here's Chris Sheridan's take:


CHRIS SHERIDAN REAX

It's been clear for some time that the Kings had to do something. The team has basically been lifeless the first three months of the season, except for three occasions when they've won three straight games, and they're at their lowest point in the standings in six years.
In Sacramento's last two games in Florida against the Orlando Magic and the Miami Heat, they've been especially inept on offense in the fourth quarter, and Stojakovic in particular has been noticeably lethargic.

This is a good risk for the Kings, because they stood a chance of getting nothing if Stojakovic left as a free agent this summer. Now instead they have a player who is signed for two more years, not to mention a player with a much better all-around game than Stojakovic.

Artest will be reunited with Brad Miller, and he'll be able to take Stojakovic's spot in the lineup. At this point, Artest has more game than Stojakovic on offense, and it goes without saying that he's a much stronger defender.

From the Pacers' perspective, you have to give credit to the front office for holding out. It took a lot of guts for them to wait six weeks for a player they wanted to come along. It's only mid-January, so they have plenty of time to recover. They are tied for 5th in the East, and should have no trouble securing a playoff spot.

It's not clear how Stojakovic will function in that offense, but he's not the fastest guy in the league so he should fit well into the Pacers' methodical offense.

b-diddy
01-24-2006, 04:53 PM
peja's mvp half season came when webber was injured, i believe. thats part why sac traded him.

he's never legitimately been an mvp candidate, and he never will.

if there ever was a det/indy rivalry, its dead. is there a great rivalry in the nba anymore?

Artis Gilmore
01-24-2006, 04:55 PM
Larry got his white superstar.(No Peja's not a superstar, but I bet Bird thinks so.) I bet this will make Indy better(still not elite) and Sacramento will be looking for a playoff spot, but Artest will bitch about Princeton and they will fail to make the playoffs.

Artis Gilmore
01-24-2006, 04:56 PM
peja's mvp half season came when webber was injured, i believe. thats part why sac traded him.

he's never legitimately been an mvp candidate, and he never will.

if there ever was a det/indy rivalry, its dead. is there a great rivalry in the nba anymore?Our rivalry is not over IMO. It started before they even got Artest. Sure Ron was a big part of it, but so was Jackoff and Germ. and Rick is a prick and Jeff Foster is still a queer.

Jethro34
01-24-2006, 05:11 PM
I'm sure Stephen Jackson is pissed.

JS
01-24-2006, 05:15 PM
I'm sure Stephen Jackson is pissed.

I am surprised that the Pacers didn't try to trade him in the deal for a guy like Skinner or Thomas.

Matt
01-24-2006, 05:16 PM
peja's mvp half season came when webber was injured, i believe. thats part why sac traded him.

he's never legitimately been an mvp candidate, and he never will.

if there ever was a det/indy rivalry, its dead. is there a great rivalry in the nba anymore?Our rivalry is not over IMO. It started before they even got Artest. Sure Ron was a big part of it, but so was Jackoff and Germ. and Rick is a prick and Jeff Foster is still a queer.

i think the rivalry will be directly proportional to who much of a contender the Pacers are (or become) in the East. if they're right up there with Miami, then there's a rivalry. if they continue to be a barely-over-.500 team, then nah.

UncleCliffy
01-24-2006, 05:30 PM
The rivalry is dead. Pacers are a joke. LOL@Pacers

starman91
01-24-2006, 06:06 PM
Ha now the deal is dead!

Matt
01-24-2006, 06:08 PM
Ha now the deal is dead!

hey starman91, nice to have you aboard.

got a link, source, or anything?

wow, everyone's buzzing about the deal being rejected because Ron doesn't want to go. just saw it on ESPN

Atticus771
01-24-2006, 06:17 PM
Crap. I hope this deal will get done, because I'm honestly about ready to vommit if I have to hear anymore about Ron Artest.

starman91
01-24-2006, 06:18 PM
Ha now the deal is dead!

hey starman91, nice to have you aboard.

got a link, source, or anything?

wow, everyone's buzzing about the deal being rejected because Ron doesn't want to go. just saw it on ESPN

Yep on espn during the 6pm sportscenter

Matt
01-24-2006, 06:23 PM
unbelievable.

Just a random Artest-googlism:

http://onfinite.com/libraries/188148/390.jpg

UncleCliffy
01-24-2006, 06:31 PM
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Artest turned the deal down


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


Go to espn.com

LMAO
THe Pacers were just OWNED

Artis Gilmore
01-24-2006, 06:39 PM
Damn.

robcat911
01-24-2006, 06:46 PM
wow...artest is quite the fuck up

UncleCliffy
01-24-2006, 06:50 PM
Can anyone blame him? He's getting paid for sitting at home and he doesn't want to play for the Kings.

CindyKate
01-24-2006, 06:51 PM
Wow. Ruining 3 straight seasons of the Pacers is apparently not enough for Ronnie.

Go Ron-Ron!


Kind of hope spurs and dallas got him, and got ruined by him, in no particular order.

CindyKate
01-24-2006, 06:52 PM
Can anyone blame him? He's getting paid for sitting at home and he doesn't want to play for the Kings.
Agreed. Bird is a sissy for de-activating him instead of suspending his ass.

Fool
01-24-2006, 09:39 PM
Artest is quickly moving up my "favorite players" list. I'm really starting to love this guy.

UncleCliffy
01-24-2006, 10:46 PM
Get rid of that avatar fool, its giving me a headache.

Anthony
01-24-2006, 10:48 PM
lol @ cliffy's head aching.

Black Dynamite
01-24-2006, 10:48 PM
artest is gonna meet with the maloofs and so they can see if he's serious about his change of heart to instead agree to play for sactown.

he probally realized that the reports that he said no to the trade was bad pr.

Koolaid
01-24-2006, 10:54 PM
Get rid of that avatar fool, its giving me a headache.

GOOD TIMES!

it should be JJ. mama walker is not a memorable character, If i didn't use to watch this show at 11am everyday i skipped school I wouldn't even know who that was. Everyone knows JJ though.

flipscrackers
01-24-2006, 11:00 PM
Who doesn't remember Florida Evans? She had some memorable lines, especially the "damn...damn...damn..." line at the end of the episode where James died.

Fool
01-24-2006, 11:40 PM
Who doesn't remember Florida Evans? She had some memorable lines, especially the "damn...damn...damn..." line at the end of the episode where James died.

That was a sad day.

the wrath of diddy
01-24-2006, 11:58 PM
This shit is fucking gold. I love how all the douche bag cock sucking Pacerfags that tried to blame everything are going apeshit over Artest. Karma baby! Everyone with anything to do with the Pacers is taking hard. It fucking rules.

b-diddy
01-25-2006, 12:26 AM
the maloofs should offer to mow artests lawn... or maybe fill his prozac prescriptions (bad tast?).

H1Man
01-25-2006, 12:41 AM
I don't think Peja will help Indy that much this season unless he is completely healthy for the rest of the season. Even then they won't get far in the playoffs.

JS
01-25-2006, 01:20 AM
JON stated after the gamehe may have tore his groin, he said he heard a pop. On the same play he hurt his ankle again and earlier injured his shoulder. That guy is turning into Camby.

Did anyone see JON get into with a Cavs fan when he was going to the lockeroom because of injury? How stupid do you have to be to engage any fan verbal or otherwise after last year?

the wrath of diddy
01-25-2006, 08:19 AM
Pretty stupid. But then again he's a Pacer so you should expect nothing less.

Black Dynamite
01-25-2006, 08:25 AM
... or maybe fill his prozac prescriptions (bad taste?).
unfortunately theres been worst taste so no, not that bad.

Glenn
01-25-2006, 09:01 AM
Yet another reason to LOL@The Pacers.

I'm glad this deal didn't go down. I didn't want to see Peja on the Pacers.

Although, Chris Sheridan is still saying that this deal could be resurrected.

UncleCliffy
01-25-2006, 04:52 PM
Artest traded AGAIN to Sac according to espn.

Taymelo
01-25-2006, 05:03 PM
I haven't read the article, but given what I read this morning, I bet the Pacers told him he'd be suspended without pay if he didn't stop talking bad about going to Sactown, so his agent called Sactown and made nice/nice in order to avoid losing his percentage of Artest's paycheck.

Kilo
01-25-2006, 05:14 PM
Artest was meeting with Pacers brass this morning and they probably spelled it out for him.

Matt
01-25-2006, 05:18 PM
LOL@the crazy people in the world......Artest is giving them a bad name.

Anthony
01-25-2006, 05:46 PM
Question: Why should that nut have any say in where he goes. As far as I know, there is no, "no trade clause" in the NBA like there is in baseball, so why does he get to say, "Nah, try a different team."

Fuck that. Fuck him.

JS
01-25-2006, 06:27 PM
I think the Maloofs signed off on this because they knew they weren't going to get anything for Peja in the offseason. Plus after last night Peja was only going to mail it in since he felt disrespected. Say what you will about the crazy bastard the Kings took on but come the trade deadline when a team like Miami is calling they will be able to find Ron a new home.

I would bet that Walsh and Bird probably had to be blown away by an offer from a team in the east to make that deal. And if you were a team in the east your weren't going to blow up your team just to make a deal, for Ron. It would be counter productive if you just needed 1 piece to make a real run.

So my theory remains Sac probably has 28 teams they can trade with if they want to move Ron, whereas the Pacers were only seriously open to the WC teams or 15 teams. Now of course you must elimnate from the running the teams who have no direction or need for Artest so the market isn't wide open but it is a lot broader for Petrie than Walsh.

I can see a few teams calling Petrie before the deadline and him ripping them off because they are afraid of losing their jobs.

Not that Riley is affraid to lose his job but what would he have to lose by giving up Posey, Wright and a first for Ron? I mean if on is a headache he can just bail on the coaching gig and find a new fall guy.

Kilo
01-25-2006, 06:34 PM
Hoopshype rumor has Indiana possibly moving Peja to Golden State for Troy Murphy.

GS didn't want the nutter Artest for Murphy, but Peja would appeal to them as they could move Diogu back to center. I'd expect a Peja/Foster/filler for Dunleavy/Murphy type deal here if it were to happen.

Also this trade makes sense for GS because even if Peja wants to go to Chicago without compensation, they get out from under Murphy's huge contract, given Diogu is their center of the future.

Black Dynamite
01-25-2006, 06:39 PM
the deal is done and i like it. kobe hates to deal with physical play and i see artest fustrating him and beefing up the sac vs LA battles for the rest of the year.

JS
01-25-2006, 06:41 PM
Hoopshype rumor has Indiana possibly moving Peja to Golden State for Troy Murphy.

GS didn't want the nutter Artest for Murphy, but Peja would appeal to them as they could move Diogu back to center. I'd expect a Peja/Foster/filler for Dunleavy/Murphy type deal here if it were to happen.

Also this trade makes sense for GS because even if Peja wants to go to Chicago without compensation, they get out from under Murphy's huge contract, given Diogu is their center of the future.

That is kinda like my thoughts on Artest. In this case Petrie was probably more close minded about deals with western teams other wise GS and Sac could have made the deal on their own. Walsh now can shop Peja around to probably everyone but in division teams aand get a greater return on value than with Artest.

I thought Diogu was done for the year? I thought he got hurt? I think whatever Walsh does from here will have to do with JON health. If he deals for a guy that can help him now or keeps Peja JON will be back if it is more of future move he is likely out the year. I just don't see Peja staying, I can't see him re-signing in Indy unless they really click.

RegicideGreg
01-25-2006, 06:45 PM
Hoopshype rumor has Indiana possibly moving Peja to Golden State for Troy Murphy.

GS didn't want the nutter Artest for Murphy, but Peja would appeal to them as they could move Diogu back to center. I'd expect a Peja/Foster/filler for Dunleavy/Murphy type deal here if it were to happen.

Also this trade makes sense for GS because even if Peja wants to go to Chicago without compensation, they get out from under Murphy's huge contract, given Diogu is their center of the future.
If Peja is traded to Indiana he won't be able to be traded to GS with any other players as per league rules.

JS
01-25-2006, 06:48 PM
Hoopshype rumor has Indiana possibly moving Peja to Golden State for Troy Murphy.

GS didn't want the nutter Artest for Murphy, but Peja would appeal to them as they could move Diogu back to center. I'd expect a Peja/Foster/filler for Dunleavy/Murphy type deal here if it were to happen.

Also this trade makes sense for GS because even if Peja wants to go to Chicago without compensation, they get out from under Murphy's huge contract, given Diogu is their center of the future.
If Peja is traded to Indiana he won't be able to be traded to GS with any other players as per league rules.

Yes he can, as long as he wasn't part of a muliple player transaction that landed him in Indy.

RegicideGreg
01-25-2006, 06:49 PM
Hoopshype rumor has Indiana possibly moving Peja to Golden State for Troy Murphy.

GS didn't want the nutter Artest for Murphy, but Peja would appeal to them as they could move Diogu back to center. I'd expect a Peja/Foster/filler for Dunleavy/Murphy type deal here if it were to happen.

Also this trade makes sense for GS because even if Peja wants to go to Chicago without compensation, they get out from under Murphy's huge contract, given Diogu is their center of the future.
If Peja is traded to Indiana he won't be able to be traded to GS with any other players as per league rules.

Yes he can, as long as he wasn't part of a muliple player transaction that landed him in Indy.Oh my bad JS I completely forgot about that considering most deals involve more than 1 for 1

Kilo
01-25-2006, 06:53 PM
It would probably have to be Petrius and not Dunleavy as Indiana is not going to take on the bloated contracts of both Murphy and Dunleavy.

JS
01-25-2006, 06:55 PM
Hoopshype rumor has Indiana possibly moving Peja to Golden State for Troy Murphy.

GS didn't want the nutter Artest for Murphy, but Peja would appeal to them as they could move Diogu back to center. I'd expect a Peja/Foster/filler for Dunleavy/Murphy type deal here if it were to happen.

Also this trade makes sense for GS because even if Peja wants to go to Chicago without compensation, they get out from under Murphy's huge contract, given Diogu is their center of the future.
If Peja is traded to Indiana he won't be able to be traded to GS with any other players as per league rules.

Yes he can, as long as he wasn't part of a muliple player transaction that landed him in Indy.Oh my bad JS I completely forgot about that considering most deals involve more than 1 for 1

No big deal. However your point is valid that a deal to GS is going to be hard. Dunleavy has a posion pill contract that inflates if traded, and Murphy has a BYC which in his case is worth 3.7 million for trade purposes. Where Peja's deal is 7.5, so for Indy to get either of those guys they are going to have to give up more than Peja to make a deal work, in Murphy's case GS would need to give up more also.

DennyMcLain
01-26-2006, 03:22 AM
Maloob sez "I'm sure we can deal with his troubles, whatever they are"

Whatever they are? No shit, really? Have you had you head up your brother's ass for five years?

I'm sure they'll find out "whatever they are" very whatever soon.

I'm happy for Peja. He'll do fine in Indy.

BigggChris04
01-26-2006, 12:36 PM
Sorry if its been posted already but
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This pic and quote is perfect for what's going on
I thought it was halarious
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http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nba/2006/0125/photo/g_pacers_412.jpg
As Artest heads to Sacramento, the Pacers breathe a sigh of relief.

Artermis
01-26-2006, 12:41 PM
Good for the Pacers. Just think if teams like the Pistons, Chisox and Patroits had not been winning titles with their selfless team oriented style over the last few years, without any true prima donnas, then asshat players who think the game is all about them, would be able to run roughshod over organizations. But thanks to the teams, teams can dump them and tell their fans, that me first players doesnt work.


Art

the wrath of diddy
01-26-2006, 12:45 PM
Fuck the Pacers. Fuck their prick coach. Fuck their dead beat dad no chin having GM. Fuck their cheap ass ownership. Fuck their stupid "we ride together" dumbass players. Fuck their inbred dumb as the dirt fanbase. All those fucking idiots stood by that psycho and tried to blame all their problems on everyone else. There are still Pacer fans so brainwashed and stupid that they are blaming this shit on Ben throwing a "hissy fit". Fuck them all up their stupid asses.

Mikey
01-26-2006, 03:34 PM
If the Pacers suck now, why would you still hate them? They're just so fucking insignificant.

Varsity
01-26-2006, 04:02 PM
Question: Why should that nut have any say in where he goes. As far as I know, there is no, "no trade clause" in the NBA like there is in baseball, so why does he get to say, "Nah, try a different team."

Fuck that. Fuck him.

He gets to because he's crazy. When the crazy guy says he doesn't want to go, you listen, cuz you don't want him to be crazier on your team.

Black Dynamite
01-26-2006, 04:06 PM
Question: Why should that nut have any say in where he goes. As far as I know, there is no, "no trade clause" in the NBA like there is in baseball, so why does he get to say, "Nah, try a different team."

Fuck that. Fuck him.

He gets to because he's crazy. When the crazy guy says he doesn't want to go, you listen, cuz you don't want him to be crazier on your team.
yea in a nutshell(no pun intended). but with any basketball player of high caliber, teams usually give them a say in where they want to go because most teams dont wanna bring in a guy who told them to go fuck themselves. if shaq says "fuck miami i'm not gonna play there. i'll retire before i do that" then miami takes themselves out the running.

players have the power to fuck up a teams interest by not being interested in them.

Black Dynamite
01-26-2006, 10:31 PM
peja could fuck the deal up still if he wanted to.


Artest joins Kings; Stojakovic debut unlikely Friday
By Chris Sheridan
ESPN Insider


Ron Artest joined the Sacramento Kings in New York on Thursday and traveled with them to Boston with the hope of making his debut for his new team Friday night against the Celtics.

The Kings and Indiana Pacers waived physicals when they finalized the Peja Stojakovic-Artest trade Wednesday, but required that each player report to his new team within 48 hours.

Stojakovic was planning to fly from Sacramento to Indiana on Friday, joining the Pacers about two hours before tipoff of their game against Cleveland. He was not expected to play against the Cavs, however, and would likely make his debut Tuesday at Washington, agent David Bauman said.

If Stojakovic were to have travel difficulties that prevented him from joining the Pacers by 6 p.m. Friday, the Pacers would have the option of alerting the league office to seek a delay in having the trade finalized. If that were to happen, Artest's debut for the Kings might be pushed back to Sunday in Toronto.

Artest was planning to meet with Kings owners Joe and Gavin Maloof and general manager Geoff Petrie late Thursday in Boston.

UncleCliffy
01-26-2006, 10:41 PM
Remember when Sheed played for the first half and then was benched because the trade wasn't finalized yet.

Fool
01-26-2006, 10:57 PM
Wasn't that against Minnesota, the same year both those Minnesota games came down to the end and the refs gave both games to Minny (The Chauncey 3 and 1 that the refs called an offensive foul, offensive on a fucking 3pt attempt?) ?

Glenn
01-30-2006, 10:36 AM
What does Geoff Petrie do?

I've read/heard a lot about this deal.

How it was brokered, how it was agreed to, how it was killed, how it was revived, etc.

But hardly any mention of Petrie, it's all the Maloofs.

Petrie is very highly regarded, but how much power does he really have?


Kings work to get Artest

Sacramento Kings owners Joe and Gavin Maloof worked hard on the Ron Artest trade for five-plus hours Tuesday while at the NBA Entertainment offices in Secaucus, N.J.The Maloof brothers left that night spent and dejected after hearing Artest rejected the trade to the Kings in exchange for Peja Stojakovic. After hanging up the phone with Kings management, a stunned Gavin said: "The deal, the deal, the deal's off. Eleventh hour. Eleventh hour. The deal's off. I can't believe it."

Said Joe: "This is a tough one to handle. It's not going to work."

On Wednesday, Artest approved the trade. The Maloof's initial disappointment footage will be aired on a future episode of "NBA Access with Ahmad Rashad."

Fool
01-30-2006, 11:23 AM
What does Geoff Petrie do?

I've read/heard a lot about this deal.

How it was brokered, how it was agreed to, how it was killed, how it was revived, etc.

But hardly any mention of Petrie, it's all the Maloofs.

Petrie is very highly regarded, but how much power does he really have?


Kings work to get Artest

Sacramento Kings owners Joe and Gavin Maloof worked hard on the Ron Artest trade for five-plus hours Tuesday while at the NBA Entertainment offices in Secaucus, N.J.The Maloof brothers left that night spent and dejected after hearing Artest rejected the trade to the Kings in exchange for Peja Stojakovic. After hanging up the phone with Kings management, a stunned Gavin said: "The deal, the deal, the deal's off. Eleventh hour. Eleventh hour. The deal's off. I can't believe it."

Said Joe: "This is a tough one to handle. It's not going to work."

On Wednesday, Artest approved the trade. The Maloof's initial disappointment footage will be aired on a future episode of "NBA Access with Ahmad Rashad."

Petrie is the power (Former GM now President of the Kings I believe). The Maloofs are face men though since they love the camera like mother's milk and Petrie denies interview requests from his son for school reports. Petrie was highly touted (2 time Exec of the Year) for putting their championship contending teams together (brought in Webber, Bibby, Peja, the rest) and he's still thought of highly (though his rep is taking a few bumps with the Webber trade and the last couple seasons).

http://www.hoopshype.com/general_managers/geoff_petrie.htm