http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2006012213

Kobe Bryant 50+ pts through 3 quarters.

Kobe with 63 pts and 6 mins to go. He is close to that milestone.

Kobe with 63 pts and 6 mins to go. He is close to that milestone.

what's his career high?

Kobe w/ 72!

74 pts!

Kobe Bryant, previous scoring high:

62 vs. Dallas 12/20/05

74?

Damn... thats Tsakalidis good.

76!

78!

79!

[smilie=applause.gi:
60% from the field.
OH MY GOD.

Kobe Bryant is unreal.

He has 79 points with a minute left in the game.

81 points !??!?!

80 POINTS

81

OMG 81....THAT'S FUCKIN CRAZY

imagine if this game had gone into OT or 2OT......he might have flirted with Wilt's 100 points. holy crap.

He is second all-time in NBA history for points scored in a game. Also he is the all-time leading scorer in Laker history.

Wilt Chamberlin 100
Kobe Bryant 81
Wilt Chamberlin 78
David Thompson 73
Wilt Chamberlin 73 (twice)

What a fucking amazing performance.

Dude went 28/46. That's unheard of.

He comes to the Palace next Sunday. Time for Delfino to lock him down to 1 pt and thats on a Rasheed technical.

The Heat pay Shaq 100 million to score 18 a game.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060123/capt.camb10201230332.raptors_lakers_basketball_cam b102.jpg

2 down......79 to go...

81 points on 61% shooting. [smilie=hammertime.:

That is second only to Wilt's 100.

http://wtfdetroit.com/viewtopic.php?p=11819#11819

I think it deserves it's own thread don't you?

Or should we wait for 101? lol

Yeah 81 points certainly deserves it's own thread. This guy is flat out unbelievable.The best player in the game Bar None.

Wow. That's the kinda shit you only see in a video game.

Given that the Lakers got the win, and also that the next highest scorer was Smush with 13, is this a good or bad thing for the Lakers?

Yeah 81 points certainly deserves it's own thread. This guy is flat out unbelievable.The best player in the game Bar None.


I am starting to think that again. I mean LBJ is great all around but is the opposite of clutch at this point. TD is less than himself lately KG's stock has fallen.

I know Kobe is selfish and isn't the player you can really win with but at this point he is the best player in the game.

This goes to show you Shaq has always been over rated. How can you be considered the most dominate of all time and not have a 80 pt game to your name. Don't give me that because he is a team guy BS because he is always pissing and moaning about touches.

H1Man had started his own thread about this earlier and I
put it back in the Around the NBA thread. Fool was only
pointing that out because I moved it the first time.

You made a great point about it deserving it's own topic JS
so I just grabbed all the posts talking about it and put them here.

Kobe went off.


http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20060123/i/r161560150.jpg

You have got to be kidding me. This game better be shown on ESPN classic real soon.

I should buy a Kobe jersey tomorrow.

Wow. That's the kinda shit you only see in a video game.

Given that the Lakers got the win, and also that the next highest scorer was Smush with 13, is this a good or bad thing for the Lakers?

The fact that they needed many of those points just to beat the Raptors is not a good team for the Lakers.

The fact that they have Kobe Bryant though gives them a chance in any games they play.

Unbelievable game.

The crazy shit is, you sit back and see those 20 FT's he shot and there's no excuses.
Wade shot 17 tonight and Carmelo shot 15. We wouldn't have been saying as much
about this performance if they lost. Well, they won. Now you have to look at that
field goal percentage. It was an eye-popping 61 percent. Kobe went apeshit.

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20060123/i/r106044280.jpg
"I want to thank my team for getting the fuck out the way."

And he's on my fantasy team.

Crazy. Just unreal.

I was always under the impression that Wilt's 100 points is disputed.

In Hershey, PA, on a dimly lit court, when most of the league was still white and short.

In MY eyes, this tonight was the single greatest NBA performance ever.

I can't believe how many people are saying that Kobe should not have been in the game because it was over already. (On other boards)

Let me ask you all something. For all you baseball fans out there, would you want your favorite pitcher to come out of the game in the 9th inning while he's working on a no-hitter just because his team was already up 8-0? Not one person would EVER call a pitcher selffish for doing that. However, an 80 pt game in the NBA is more impressive than a no-hitter is.

Not just that but he took himself out of the game
last time. He did what a ton of people wanted him to.

Not just that but he took himself out of the game
last time. He did what a ton of people wanted him to.

Yup, myself included. After that game, he said he wouldn't mind having a big game as long as it was in a more competitive game. Well, this was it.

MoPete ain't got no rise.
http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5271382_7_2.jpg

Although Kobe could out leap Mo, I'm sure Mo jumped late.
When you go to shoot quick, everyone's a quick sec off.
That's how Earl Boykins can even score in the NBA.

The crazy shit is, you sit back and see those 20 FT's he shot and there's no excuses.
Wade shot 17 tonight and Carmelo shot 15. We wouldn't have been saying as much
about this performance if they lost. Well, they won. Now you have to look at that
field goal percentage. It was an eye-popping 61 percent. Kobe went apeshit.

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20060123/i/r106044280.jpg
"I want to thank my team for getting the fuck out the way."

Aw fuck that's too funny...

As the Kobe hater i am, ill point out a few stats.

1. 81 points and 2 assists. Remember the Dallas game? 61 pts and 0 assists.

2. He shot MORE than half the team's shots. 46 out of 88. Hmm.

3. Kobe shot higher than 60%. Good job fuckhead.

i just told my step brother he had an 81 point game..

"damn, he sure is trying real hard to make people forget about that whole rape thing"

81 pointgs OMFG he is like the greatest. We should redo the logo in his image and name the MVP the Kobe Bryant Award.

In fact, lets just give Bryant the title right now. Fuck the other Lakers, Kobe is their team.

Kobe will never win another title and I see a 6-46 shooting night very soon in his future.


Art

OMFG. THATS FUCKING NUTS. I woke this morning and mikey told me Kobe scored 81, I thought I was dreaming or something. Thats fucking nuts. This shit that hes doing with scoring must put him in a top 10 player of all time.

I bet you any money he draws critizim from it though. He does with everything.

I can't believe only CYU has hit on it, but I'll reiterate:

2 assists. That kind of superhuman effort deserves some props right there.

"To me it's all about the W." Kobe Bryant, 1/22/06.

Real. American. Hero.

81 pointgs OMFG he is like the greatest. We should redo the logo in his image and name the MVP the Kobe Bryant Award.

In fact, lets just give Bryant the title right now. Fuck the other Lakers, Kobe is their team.

Kobe will never win another title and I see a 6-46 shooting night very soon in his future.


Art

Are you seriously that bitter? I'm no Kobe fan, but the man put on the greatest single-man offensive show in NBA history yesterday. Somebody is drunk on the Hatorade.

I'm not hating on him for last night's game. There's no way.

Fuck the 2 assists. The 81 on 61% shooting part throws that out the window.


If he was having a bad shooting night and he only had 2 assists,
I wouldn't have been all that impressed. He fuckin ballled.

In MY eyes, this tonight was the single greatest NBA performance ever.

i agree. given today's level of talent and athleticism in the NBA, and given that Kobe's a guard, i think his 81 points is just as amazing as Wilt's 100.

This "only 2 assists" reply is total BS. If you're shooting over 60% from the feild you better not be giving the ball up. Even on a good team, guys would be force feeding him the ball while he was that hot. In general, I agree that Kobe is a ballhog but if he can drop 81 on a team, he better be looking for his own shot and not giving it to Deavan George so he can miss a layup.

P.S. JS, I definately agree that it deserves its own thread. I was just looking for you to add the posts already on the topic (next time I'll be less cryptic and just say that, I was on my way to bed when I left that reply).

the kid shot well and took advantage of a very porous defense. still wouldnt want him on the pistons EVER. i'd actually take grant hill in his prime over kobe right now to replace rip or tay. great for the lakers. no thanks for us. [smilie=applause.gi:

maybe its his listening to people nuthugg him over his ballhogging that gives him the fucled up attitude he has at times. or maybe it was always there. the same naive element in him that had him marry a 17 year old girl after a few months dating her. either way until he gets some team oriented leadership skills and ball control he'll spend the rest of his career being just a scorer. and for the record shooting this much will wear any player out by seasons end. when he starts missing theres no gameplan beyond that.

honestly i dont feel that envious for the lakers trying to build around him. not as simple as it should be.

whoa.

http://www.pistonsbball.com/miscpics/kobe666games.jpg

[smilie=arrgh.jpg]

Thats out of date. The Lakers are 22-19 I believe which means it was career game 668.

now i wouldnt go as far as to suggest bryant as the anti-christ. i'll just stick to ballhogger of the decade and probally never going to win another title in the post-shaq era.

oh snap, why the fuck in kazaam on hbo? [smilie=arrgh.jpg]

http://www.mike.lawton.clara.net/Homersweb/doh.jpg

It would have been a cool find though Matt, and I was about to suggest you send it off to some radio people until I notice the total for this season.

one interesting stat is how many games he's missed. only played 79+ twice.

I cannot believe this guy is shooting this much. I am very curious to see how long this will last. Any of you that have played basketball before knows what it is like to play with "that" guy. It will have to wear on his teamates....

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e341/Greene000/wiltkobe.jpg
(Stole from someone else.)

Once again...big fucking deal. Team game and individual shit means nothing to me.

I bet half of you want to get on your hands and knee and let him fuck you in the ass....without any lube.

Yeah I hate Kobe. I dont give props to that cock sucker for nothing.

To those who claim it was better against today's comp. Fuck you.

Not Wilt's fault he owned everyone back then.

He would dominant todays game too. I guess most of you are not impressed by someone who averages 50 points a game and averaged 25 rebounds a game.

Kobe is an amazing scorer, but lets see him lead his team to an NBA championship, I will be mightly impressed then, until then FUCK KOBE!!!!!!!


Art

Once again...big fucking deal. Team game and individual shit means nothing to me.

I bet half of you want to get on your hands and knee and let him fuck you in the ass....without any lube.

Yeah I hate Kobe. I dont give props to that cock sucker for nothing.

To those who claim it was better against today's comp. Fuck you.

Not Wilt's fault he owned everyone back then.

He would dominant todays game too. I guess most of you are not impressed by someone who averages 50 points a game and averaged 25 rebounds a game.

Kobe is an amazing scorer, but lets see him lead his team to an NBA championship, I will be mightly impressed then, until then FUCK KOBE!!!!!!!


Art



Might be time to re-visit that "angriest poster" poll.

Art's coming on strong.

This "only 2 assists" reply is total BS.[/size]

Dude, I'm LAUDING him for the 2 assists. Think about it - he would've had 85 if it weren't for his unselfish play.

This "only 2 assists" reply is total BS.[/size]

Dude, I'm LAUDING him for the 2 assists. Think about it - he would've had 85 if it weren't for his unselfish play.

LOL!


Kobe had a great performance, but there is more to the game than scoring that many points. I hate to be the guy that says "Kobe needs to get everyone involved" but.... Kobe needs to get everyone involved. As much as defenses key up on him, that will give open looks for other players. Teammates will get really annoyed really quickly if he doesn't start sharing. Like MUHM said, how long do you think his teammates will be on his side with that. Excuse the cliche, but this is a team game. He has got other players on his team - he will need to start using them one of these days before there is a revolution in LA.

I'm not trying to take away from his performance, I thought that many points was impossible. Great night for Kobe. Annoying night for the rest of the Lakers.

Kobe is an amazing scorer, but lets see him lead his team to an NBA championship, I will be mightly impressed then, until then FUCK KOBE!!!!!!!
Art

"Hello? Art? I got a few of those already, man."

http://hgfans2002.tripod.com/kobe-champion2001-2.jpg

"Hey Art, how about 3 NBA championship? They enough for ya?"

http://hgfans2002.tripod.com/lakers-champions4.jpg

I wonder if anyone else in the league could do this.

I know the quick answer would be to say no, I really think if kobe could do it then other guys in the league could as well though. Allen Iverson could possibly crack this number if he took this many shots.Maybe Arenas, or Ray allen. Hell, I'd say even Rasheed could likely do it. Basically if somebody gets hot, puts up 46 shots, gets superstar calls and has talent I think they could do this. Especially if they take multiple shots at it like Kobe did. having multiple nights where you put up over 40 shots has to make it alot more likely to explode in one of them.

Too bad he didnt lead those teams. Shaq led and Kobe came along for the ride. I am not saying that Kobe didnt have a hand in them, but they were Shaq's teams. Until he LEADS (key word here) to a championship, he is just another ball hog who wont share the ball.

I was thinking the same think Koolaid. If you get hot and crank up 46 shots, I am sure more people could score 80, but only AI is a ball hogger enough to take that many shots.

MOLA THIS ONE IS FOR YOU!!!!!!

ART!!!

Too bad he didnt lead those teams. Shaq led and Kobe came along for the ride. I am not saying that Kobe didnt have a hand in them, but they were Shaq's teams. Until he LEADS (key word here) to a championship, he is just another ball hog who wont share the ball.

I was thinking the same think Koolaid. If you get hot and crank up 46 shots, I am sure more people could score 80, but only AI is a ball hogger enough to take that many shots.

MOLA THIS ONE IS FOR YOU!!!!!!

ART!!!

"LEADS". That's bullshit. He won championships, how many rings does Shaq have without Kobe? Zero.

Since Chauncey led our team (2004), did Rip, Sheed and Ben just bum a ride in 2004?

For the record, if you're hitting 60% of your shots, why would you pass to people shooting 40%? That's just bas business. Kobe needs some teammates.

Too bad he didnt lead those teams. Shaq led and Kobe came along for the ride. I am not saying that Kobe didnt have a hand in them, but they were Shaq's teams. Until he LEADS (key word here) to a championship, he is just another ball hog who wont share the ball.

I was thinking the same think Koolaid. If you get hot and crank up 46 shots, I am sure more people could score 80, but only AI is a ball hogger enough to take that many shots.

MOLA THIS ONE IS FOR YOU!!!!!!

ART!!!

"LEADS". That's bullshit. He won championships, how many rings does Shaq have without Kobe? Zero.

Since Chauncey led our team (2004), did Rip, Sheed and Ben just bum a ride in 2004?

For the record, if you're hitting 60% of your shots, why would you pass to people shooting 40%? That's just bas business. Kobe needs some teammates.

I don't know why it is people want to frame the discussion where it has to be either Shaq or Kobe responsible for the laker threepeat. That laker team wasn't winning championships without both players kicking some serious ass against tough western conference competition.

Anyone diminishing the role of either player is either hating to the point of being irrational or just wasn't paying attention during those three years.

Getting back on topic... 81 points is insane. If he keeps this up he can work his way up from rape to murder and still sell jerseys.

For the record, if you're hitting 60% of your shots, why would you pass to people shooting 40%? That's just bas business. Kobe needs some teammates.



Your shooting percentage isn't that meaningful in sense of how you'd play the game. For example if Kobe's double teamed at the top of the key and Chris Mihm alone under the hoop, he'd give him the ball. I don't care if mihm shoots 10 percent and kobe's shooting 100.

That's how i really don't understand this happening, I wish i saw it. You'd think Kobe putting up 81 points would FORCE him into getting assists, even if he didn't want any that game.

Yeah, without seeing it I couldn't say whether his shots were the highest % shot each time. At some point they probably doubled him every play, and someome else would have been the high % shot.

You can't fault him overall though for a %60 performance. There were probably a few ill advised shots, but everyone takes a few of those every night.

I cannot believe this guy is shooting this much. I am very curious to see how long this will last. Any of you that have played basketball before knows what it is like to play with "that" guy. It will have to wear on his teamates....
it already has. but i could care less. now that i think about it. i hope he keeps scoring. his answer to his team not moving the ball well was hoisting 46 shots by his own admission. as long as that type of player isnt in detroit as a piston i dont even care anymore. keep scoring kobe, and enjoy the eventual long term results of chucking up that many shots over an 82 game schedule.. [smilie=baby.gif]

i pity the coach who tries to actually "coach" bryant. wont happen anytime soon.

I cannot believe this guy is shooting this much. I am very curious to see how long this will last. Any of you that have played basketball before knows what it is like to play with "that" guy. It will have to wear on his teamates....

The same teammates who were clearly feeding him the ball to get him to 80?

Let me ask you something... Do you think they'd rather play with Kobe and win 45 games this year or without him and win 6?

His teammates were not hitting their shots. By all accounts, he tried to get them the ball in the first half and they were down 15. Finally, he said 'Fuck it" I'm taking over and boy did he ever.

Yeah, without seeing it I couldn't say whether his shots were the highest % shot each time. At some point they probably doubled him every play, and someome else would have been the high % shot.

You can't fault him overall though for a %60 performance. There were probably a few ill advised shots, but everyone takes a [b]few[/]b of those every night.
ummm try most. [smilie=artist.gif] . the kobmeister is a chucker make no doubt about it and a good majority of his shots are gonna be chucks. but like i said before he can keep chucking til his arms fall off at this point. the nba season and playoffs are a marathon. not 46 shot sprint.

Too bad he didnt lead those teams. Shaq led and Kobe came along for the ride. I am not saying that Kobe didnt have a hand in them, but they were Shaq's teams. Until he LEADS (key word here) to a championship, he is just another ball hog who wont share the ball.

I was thinking the same think Koolaid. If you get hot and crank up 46 shots, I am sure more people could score 80, but only AI is a ball hogger enough to take that many shots.

MOLA THIS ONE IS FOR YOU!!!!!!

ART!!!

"LEADS". That's bullshit. He won championships, how many rings does Shaq have without Kobe? Zero.

Since Chauncey led our team (2004), did Rip, Sheed and Ben just bum a ride in 2004?

For the record, if you're hitting 60% of your shots, why would you pass to people shooting 40%? That's just bas business. Kobe needs some teammates.

It's amazing how many people don't get this... Kobe was every bit a part of those Championships as Shaq.

I cannot believe this guy is shooting this much. I am very curious to see how long this will last. Any of you that have played basketball before knows what it is like to play with "that" guy. It will have to wear on his teamates....

The same teammates who were clearly feeding him the ball to get him to 80?

Let me ask you something... Do you think they'd rather play with Kobe and win 45 games this year or without him and win 6?

His teammates were not hitting their shots. By all accounts, he tried to get them the ball in the first half and they were down 15. Finally, he said 'Fuck it" I'm taking over and boy did he ever.
lol@the teammates passing excuse. yep after he bitches as much as he does you'd say fuck it too. everytime he doesnt get the ball he goes on a super chucker no pass shgooting spree anyways. a mutiny makes sense to you? im sure it doesnt so yea they'll give the baby the ball. [smilie=baby.gif]


and no ones saying they are better w/o him. but as a team their ball movement is sucking more and more every game. im saying if they got 3 pistons starters to equal out what they pay the kobmeister they'd win more games surely. and im not sold on them getting 45 this year.

Too bad he didnt lead those teams. Shaq led and Kobe came along for the ride. I am not saying that Kobe didnt have a hand in them, but they were Shaq's teams. Until he LEADS (key word here) to a championship, he is just another ball hog who wont share the ball.

I was thinking the same think Koolaid. If you get hot and crank up 46 shots, I am sure more people could score 80, but only AI is a ball hogger enough to take that many shots.

MOLA THIS ONE IS FOR YOU!!!!!!

ART!!!

"LEADS". That's bullshit. He won championships, how many rings does Shaq have without Kobe? Zero.

Since Chauncey led our team (2004), did Rip, Sheed and Ben just bum a ride in 2004?

For the record, if you're hitting 60% of your shots, why would you pass to people shooting 40%? That's just bas business. Kobe needs some teammates.

It's amazing how many people don't get this... Kobe was every bit a part of those Championships as Shaq.
well i dont question that. but i do think what kobe did with shaq could be replaced pretty easy by any of the elite swingmen in the league and what shaq did couldnt be replaced. just a matter of opinion though. nothing to "get" as you say.

Too bad he didnt lead those teams. Shaq led and Kobe came along for the ride. I am not saying that Kobe didnt have a hand in them, but they were Shaq's teams. Until he LEADS (key word here) to a championship, he is just another ball hog who wont share the ball.

I was thinking the same think Koolaid. If you get hot and crank up 46 shots, I am sure more people could score 80, but only AI is a ball hogger enough to take that many shots.

MOLA THIS ONE IS FOR YOU!!!!!!

ART!!!

"LEADS". That's bullshit. He won championships, how many rings does Shaq have without Kobe? Zero.

Since Chauncey led our team (2004), did Rip, Sheed and Ben just bum a ride in 2004?

For the record, if you're hitting 60% of your shots, why would you pass to people shooting 40%? That's just bas business. Kobe needs some teammates.

It's amazing how many people don't get this... Kobe was every bit a part of those Championships as Shaq.

For the record, neither Shaq nor Kobe EVER won a title without Phil Jackson.

Neither did Jordan.

Jerry West didn't win one without Wilt. Does that make West any less of a player. We still call him Mr. Clutch!

Also for the record, Kobe is averaging almost 5 assists a game this year. Yet, his job is not to pass the rock -- that's Odom's job. Kobe's job is to score.

I remember reading about Vince Young, and how fucking great he was (ahem...Mola1) in the post Rose Bowl thread. You talk "ball hogs"...right there cheif! It was, really, USC vs. Vince Young, but nobody here at WTF seemed to care.

So, the difference between Kobe and Vince Young is..... anybody.... anybody... Bueller....

When Lamar Odom cranks a shot with tons of seconds left on the shot clock and misses, and Sacramento gets it back and forces OT -- where you LOSE -- how can you continue to trust your teammates? I know you should, but before Kobe's performance in Dallas the Lakers, I believe, lost a game to the Rockets they easily should have won. Kobe was pissed.

I suggest, the next time the Lakers blow an easy game, get Kobe on your fantasy team as fast as you can.

but vince young is one dimensional garbage anyways. usc didnt face a running qb all year and had no real experience in stopping one. i knew they were gonna get caught off guard by that from the jump. either vince young is just a runner.

So, the difference between Kobe and Vince Young is..... anybody.... anybody... Bueller....





OOOOOOOOOOOH! OOOOOOOH! I know! One plays basketball and the other plays fooseball or something.

Also, I'd like to point out that Kobe did this against Toronto, so really that's only like 45 points American.

Also, I'd like to point out that Kobe did this against Toronto, so really that's only like 45 points American.

LOL [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

It would have been a cool find though Matt, and I was about to suggest you send it off to some radio people until I notice the total for this season.

He missed 2 games with that suspension, Matt's right on the money.

Thats fucking insane. 81, on 60%?



Fuck Kobe, too.

Also, I'd like to point out that Kobe did this against Toronto, so really that's only like 45 points American.

I love it when people come up with the lamest shit to try and shit on his performance.

Also, I'd like to point out that Kobe did this against Toronto, so really that's only like 45 points American.

I love it when people come up with the lamest shit to try and shit on his performance.

Don't you have some more vacation time to burn?

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20060123/i/r106044280.jpg
"I want to thank my team for getting the fuck out the way."



[smilie=rofl3.gif]

It would be nice to see [smilie=bigshot.gif] or [smilie=rip.gif] put up that many shots and see what happens

It would have been a cool find though Matt, and I was about to suggest you send it off to some radio people until I notice the total for this season.

He missed 2 games with that suspension, Matt's right on the money.

Good call. Maybe he is the devil! Matt, get on that!

Also, I'd like to point out that Kobe did this against Toronto, so really that's only like 45 points American.

I love it when people come up with the lamest shit to try and shit on his performance.

Don't you have some more vacation time to burn?

Why do you think I'm here?

Also, I'd like to point out that Kobe did this against Toronto, so really that's only like 45 points American.

I love it when people come up with the lamest shit to try and shit on his performance.

Don't you have some more vacation time to burn?

Why do you think I'm here?

My fault. I thought you were currently posting from the Oval Office. Glad to see you don't waste taxpayers money.

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20060123/i/r106044280.jpg
"I want to thank my team for getting the fuck out the way."



[smilie=rofl3.gif]
damn that is pretty funny...lol [smilie=applause.gi:

It would be nice to see [smilie=bigshot.gif] or [smilie=rip.gif] put up that many shots and see what happens

Or Big Ben. :lol:

I think I am more pissed that people want to pooh-pooh on Wilt than anything else.

Wilt was a beast and some of you need to check out his film footage. He was athletic and was a beast down low. He had the complete package of shots. Just imagine how many points he would have averaged had he not shot .511 from the FT.

Can you say 60 in the season that he averaged 50.

BTW Wilt was this.................much better than 99% of the league.


Kobe is only... much better than 99%. Sure the competition might be a lot better now, but Kobe doesnt dominate it at nearly the level that Wilt did his level of competition.

Same thing about the debate over Ruth and Bonds.

Wilt was probably a top 5 player in the league all time. Kobe well he probably will bump Scottie out of the top 50.


Art

wilt didnt have the 3 point line to help and kobe didnt have the luxury of being bigger than alot of competition. maybe it evens out to points are points. but Wilt chamberlains career is most remembered in his mind for his later years playing for and winning titles(besides getting laid with 20,000 different chicks) i think. only thing that really mattered for him was that. all the points in the world couldnt take away the sting of watching the celtics dominate or coming up short of a title at any point.

as far as the teammates missing excuse. it seems they have to shoot 80 percent for kobe to believe in them. its not like they miss 10 str8 shots before he super hogs. it just takes one or two and next thing you know the hog comes out.

i've seen they lakers play a few times and his teammates arent as bad as people are saying. smush, cook, and odom can hit the open shots they'd get if he was passing it to them on a consistent basis.

Why doesn't T-Mac or AI get critisized for taking a lot of shots?

Why doesn't T-Mac or AI get critisized for taking a lot of shots?

Because people don't natuarally hate them as much as they do Kobe.

Kobe is the most unanimously hated basketball player in the world, with JJ Reddick coming in a close second. Don't know why, it's just the way it is.

oh my god.

oh my god.

oh my god.

wow.

KOBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

81 POINTS IS TOUGH TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND MOTHERFUCKERS KOBE IS JESUS CHRIST IS A LAKER UNIFORM!!!DJKHFGRG3Q4RBWEHUTIFRGQWERGFTA

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Why doesn't T-Mac or AI get critisized for taking a lot of shots?

Because people don't natuarally hate them as much as they do Kobe.

Kobe is the most unanimously hated basketball player in the world, with JJ Reddick coming in a close second. Don't know why, it's just the way it is.
no they are hogs too though iverson does a better job of getting other players involved by far. not even comparable.

Kobe is nuts for that
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I respect that guy
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I couldnt stand him until after him and Shaq drama started

So, the difference between Kobe and Vince Young is..... anybody.... anybody... Bueller....





OOOOOOOOOOOH! OOOOOOOH! I know! One plays basketball and the other plays fooseball or something.

Brilliant, WOD. I can see in your absence you've lost none of your narrow-visioned bullshit.

The comment was about a player being a "ball hog", independent of which sport they participate in.

So, let's see. Everybody hates on Kobe because he's a ball hog?

I remember Jordan taking over 4th quarters regularly.

I'm sure when Barry Sanders got 30-40 touches, nobody claimed that HE was a ball hog, or at least lobbying the coaching staff for more plays his way.

What about Gretzky? Was he a puck-hog, or did the offense simply run "through" him?

Fact is, Kobe will get his points. It's up to the rest of the team to rebound and contribute when they need to.

I would imagine that Kobe's and Gretzky's assists per game are pretty close.

The comment was about a player being a "ball hog", independent of which sport they participate in.

So, let's see. Everybody hates on Kobe because he's a ball hog?

I remember Jordan taking over 4th quarters regularly.

I also remember him driving in lane and creating opportunities for teammates, but people called Jordan a ballhog as well. Jordan was a HUGE ballhog before he started winning championships. That's the reason he could score at anytime, he had alot of practice under his belt. He became a great all around player though.


I'm sure when Barry Sanders got 30-40 touches, nobody claimed that HE was a ball hog, or at least lobbying the coaching staff for more plays his way.


Comparing sports is dumb as fuck. Since you brought it up though...

Barry didn't call the plays. He was probably the least self centered guy in any sport period. The guy didn't go out of his way to break records, or anything. I don't know if he was really about the wins either, probably just love of the game. still incredibly unselfish though.



What about Gretzky? Was he a puck-hog, or did the offense simply run "through" him?

Gretzky was a 'point guard', He definitely was not even close to having half of his teams shots on goal (let alone over half).

I remember Jordan taking over 4th quarters regularly.

Hated him too.

I didn't read 7 pages of posts but here is my 2 cents.

What Kobe did was nothing short of Amazing.

81 pts tops Wilts 100 point record and here is why...

Wilt had no 3 second rule
It took Wilt over 60 shots and most of the shots were within a few feet.
Wilt scored those points against the back-up center.

Kobe scored these points throw jump-shots that were further away.
Defense is much more sophisticated in today's game.

For anyone to rip him for being a ballhog is crazy. 81 points on over 50% shooting is INSANE. Kobe is my hero.

I don't understand why people are bashing him, either.

If you are hitting over 60% of your shots, shoot every time IMO.

Why pass to someone that is going to shoot 38%?

It's not about liking/not liking the guy, it's about math.

What better way to be a team player than to help them score more points by shooting efficiently?

The comment was about a player being a "ball hog", independent of which sport they participate in.

So, let's see. Everybody hates on Kobe because he's a ball hog?

I remember Jordan taking over 4th quarters regularly.

I also remember him driving in lane and creating opportunities for teammates, but people called Jordan a ballhog as well. Jordan was a HUGE ballhog before he started winning championships. That's the reason he could score at anytime, he had alot of practice under his belt. He became a great all around player though.


I'm sure when Barry Sanders got 30-40 touches, nobody claimed that HE was a ball hog, or at least lobbying the coaching staff for more plays his way.


Comparing sports is dumb as fuck. Since you brought it up though...

Barry didn't call the plays. He was probably the least self centered guy in any sport period. The guy didn't go out of his way to break records, or anything. I don't know if he was really about the wins either, probably just love of the game. still incredibly unselfish though



What about Gretzky? Was he a puck-hog, or did the offense simply run "through" him?

Gretzky was a 'point guard', He definitely was not even close to having half of his teams shots on goal (let alone over half).

Understood, and retracted. It was a bad reference, since Sanders was (and still is) one of the better human beings in sports.

Jordan WAS a ballhog early on, until Pippen arrived and took some of the pressure off of him. In the Jackson era, he was surrounded by fantastic role players who could also score if they needed to (except for the Worm). The question is, aside from a developing Smush and an inconsistent Lamar, is there anybody Kobe can turn to WITH CONFIDENCE as HIS Pippen?

For now, the answer is no.

By the way, I googled "Jackon ear" and got the following:

http://cache.tias.com/stores/neat/pictures/m10a.jpg


SNAZZY!!!

i never said i hated him or do i bash him for scoring 81 points. my point is that its just not all that impressive to me. of course jordan never impressed me outside of his dunks until he started leading the bulls to championships with an all around game.

im glad cliffy brought up the diffenernce in rules. IMO someone was due for a shot at the record in this watered down set of nba rules we have now. i honestly feeling jordan in his scoring prime could've gone for more than Wilt under these rules. i remember him scoring every night when people were trying to mug him on every shot.

either way, its a great individual performance by a known ballhogger. this performance didnt just make him a ballhogger nor does it make him a legitimate leader on his team either. whther he scored 81 or 34, the point is that he's chucking 30+ shots on average as of late. and for this one 81 point performance he's had plenty more that ended with him chucking his team out of a game.

the lakers and his gay lover mikey can have him. theres no need for him in detroit. and when i said that some dickheads decided that i meant to say Rip is better than kobe. thats the type of asinine equating that starts to get old after awhile. rip better than kobe= no, Rip more useful to the pistons than kobe=yes

either way, its a great individual performance by a known ballhogger. this performance didnt just make him a ballhogger nor does it make him a legitimate leader on his team either. whther he scored 81 or 34, the point is that he's chucking 30+ shots on average as of late. and for this one 81 point performance he's had plenty more that ended with him chucking his team out of a game.

I'd rather have Kobe Bryant chucking me out of the game than Smush, Mihm, or Odom.

And so what if he's "chucking" 30 shots a game. He's been scoring 50 points(on high FG%) off those 30 shots so he can keep "chucking" if he wants.

either way, its a great individual performance by a known ballhogger. this performance didnt just make him a ballhogger nor does it make him a legitimate leader on his team either. whther he scored 81 or 34, the point is that he's chucking 30+ shots on average as of late. and for this one 81 point performance he's had plenty more that ended with him chucking his team out of a game.

I'd rather have Kobe Bryant chucking me out of the game than Smush, Mihm, or Odom.

And so what if he's "chucking" 30 shots a game. He's been scoring 50 points(on high FG%) off those 30 shots so he can keep "chucking" if he wants.
yea im sure that theory works for the lakers who are no better than last year at sharing the basketball.

just keep that dumb as nails way of thinking away from the pistons.

and dont kid yourself. it hasnt always been high field goal percentage. check the stats and dont equate one game to the whole season.

at 45 percent its obvious that the 60 percent shooting hasnt been as consistent as his chucking.

1) good find on th 666th game of his career. it is true. he's missed 2 games, this year, which is why the lakers are 22-19, but he's only played 39 games. i smell another exorcist movie coming.

2) criticizing kobe after this one is pathetic. your completely on fire and you want him to get the ball to smush (couldnt last as our 3rd pg), kwame (are you serious?), or mihm (who?)? lamar is good, but theyre 0-15 when he takes like 15 shots or more.

3) the lakers will win a championship with kobe, and the pistons would be 10x better with kobe than with rip or tay. c'mon, dont be that much of a homer.

4) kobe was right all along. the lakers got rid of shaq at the right time. a 350 pound ball and chain making 30 million a year who doesnt even get doubled anymore will not win you a championship. if the lakers kept shaq, they would get a bunch of dinasours every year, and they'd probably make it to the finals, and then get embarrassed again. it was the right time to get rid of shaq, it was just the wrong trade. anyway, i fully expect that the lakers will be back in the finals in 2 years.

5) i dont know if anyone besides me was hoping billups would get mvp, but that talk is done. kobe=mvp on lockdown.

3) the lakers will win a championship with kobe, and the pistons would be 10x better with kobe than with rip or tay. c'mon, dont be that much of a homer..
get the fuck outta here with that garbage. im a homer because i know the difference between a guy who only knows how to score his way vs a guy who does it within the offense? if that shit didnt matter we woulda kept stackhouse. point fucking blank.

nothing wrong with commending his individual effort. but dont even think for a second his ballhogging ass makes us ten times better. people on our team get along with the team concept. what the fuck you think ben does when kobe cops an attitude about him missing a shot? [smilie=artist.gif]
here, i'll give you a homer statement

wow, i think flip has it on lockdown right now.

my darkhorse is byron scott, but right now its easily flip.
yea there goes a level headed cat who isnt bias for the guy he likes. [smilie=applause.gi:

1) good find on th 666th game of his career. it is true. he's missed 2 games, this year, which is why the lakers are 22-19, but he's only played 39 games. i smell another exorcist movie coming.

2) criticizing kobe after this one is pathetic. your completely on fire and you want him to get the ball to smush (couldnt last as our 3rd pg), kwame (are you serious?), or mihm (who?)? lamar is good, but theyre 0-15 when he takes like 15 shots or more.

3) the lakers will win a championship with kobe, and the pistons would be 10x better with kobe than with rip or tay. c'mon, dont be that much of a homer.

4) kobe was right all along. the lakers got rid of shaq at the right time. a 350 pound ball and chain making 30 million a year who doesnt even get doubled anymore will not win you a championship. if the lakers kept shaq, they would get a bunch of dinasours every year, and they'd probably make it to the finals, and then get embarrassed again. it was the right time to get rid of shaq, it was just the wrong trade. anyway, i fully expect that the lakers will be back in the finals in 2 years.

5) i dont know if anyone besides me was hoping billups would get mvp, but that talk is done. kobe=mvp on lockdown.

Kobe will NOT get MVP if the Lakers fail to make at least the 6th spot. A.I always puts up big numbers on shitty FG% (of course, he's 6 feet tall), and how many MVP's has he won? One, in 2001, when they made it to the Finals.

yea im sure that theory works for the lakers who are no better than last year at sharing the basketball.

Maybe if there were some better players on the court around Kobe the ball would moved.


just keep that dumb as nails way of thinking away from the pistons.


How is my way of thinking dumb? And why do you hate Kobe so much?


and dont kid yourself. it hasnt always been high field goal percentage.

This season: 45%
Career: 45%
Career shots per game: 17.9


at 45 percent its obvious that the 60 percent shooting hasnt been as consistent as his chucking.

45% is low FG%?


This just in: According to Gutz, 95% of guards now have a low FG%. [smilie=a.gif]

If the Pistons win 65 and over, Billups has it on lockdown. Their are still many kobe-haters in the media and they are the ones that vote.

Too bad he didnt lead those teams. Shaq led and Kobe came along for the ride. I am not saying that Kobe didnt have a hand in them, but they were Shaq's teams. Until he LEADS (key word here) to a championship, he is just another ball hog who wont share the ball.

I was thinking the same think Koolaid. If you get hot and crank up 46 shots, I am sure more people could score 80, but only AI is a ball hogger enough to take that many shots.

MOLA THIS ONE IS FOR YOU!!!!!!

ART!!!

"LEADS". That's bullshit. He won championships, how many rings does Shaq have without Kobe? Zero.

Since Chauncey led our team (2004), did Rip, Sheed and Ben just bum a ride in 2004?

For the record, if you're hitting 60% of your shots, why would you pass to people shooting 40%? That's just bas business. Kobe needs some teammates.

It's amazing how many people don't get this... Kobe was every bit a part of those Championships as Shaq.

For the record, neither Shaq nor Kobe EVER won a title without Phil Jackson.

Neither did Jordan.

Jerry West didn't win one without Wilt. Does that make West any less of a player. We still call him Mr. Clutch!

Also for the record, Kobe is averaging almost 5 assists a game this year. Yet, his job is not to pass the rock -- that's Odom's job. Kobe's job is to score.


Also, noted, Phil Jackson has never done anything without having 2 of the greatest 50 players to ever play the game.

This just in: According to Gutz, 95% of guards now have a low FG%. [smilie=a.gif]
yep if they are taking 30+ shots a night they do, while you're trying to be an ass [smilie=applause.gi:

i like how you leave that part out.

its dumb as nails basketball if you are actually trying to win a title or even some playoff games. [smilie=antlers.gif]

Its not Gutz, its Rorschach Devin Jubei Iceman IV

yep if they are taking 30+ shots a night they do, while you're trying to be an ass [smilie=applause.gi:

But Kobe Bryant is usually efficent when he takes 30+ shots.
Kobe Bryant does not take 30 shots a night.
Kobe Bryant has only averaged over 25 shots a game once in his career.
Kobe Bryant averages less than 20 shots a game for his career.


i like how you leave that part out.

I like how you're not making any sense.


its dumb as nails basketball if you are actually trying to win a title or even some playoff games. [smilie=antlers.gif]

But Kobe Bryant has already won three titles being one of the two main focuses of the team.
The Lakers are re-building, and have few pieces to compliment Kobe.
Kobe takes so many shots because everyone except Odom stinks.

Its not Gutz, its Rorschach Devin Jubei Iceman IVLMFAO

Gutz is like Madonna. Always changing his style..........even though he doesn't sleep with anything with two legs like Madonna did/does.

The guy scores 81 and people still hate him. You guys are a bunch of jelous arrogant mother fuckers.

Watch the mouth, grasshopper. That's no way for the future Speaker of the House to be speaking.

LMAO.

Kobe is amazing. Greatest scorer of all time.

The guy scores 81 and people still hate him. You guys are a bunch of jelous arrogant mother fuckers.

But he schooled MoPete!!!

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5271382_7_2.jpg

MoPete is a pretty good defender.

Just saying.

No, because he scored 81 points you braindead cunt. It doesn't fucking matter who he scored it on, 81 points in this day and age isn't human.

YOU ARE NOT STEVE !!!!

Look how fast I am. I caught your post before you deleted it

The guy scores 81 and people still hate him. You guys are a bunch of jelous arrogant mother fuckers.

But he schooled MoPete!!!No, because he scored 81 points you braindead cunt. It doesn't fucking matter who he scored it on, 81 points in this day and age isn't human.

The guy scores 81 and people still hate him. You guys are a bunch of jelous arrogant mother fuckers.

But he schooled MoPete!!!No, because he scored 81 points you braindead cunt. It doesn't fucking matter who he scored it on, 81 points in this day and age isn't human.

You bastard. You deleted the post, then brought it back to make a monkey out of me!!!

Gutz is like Madonna. Always changing his style..........even though he doesn't sleep with anything with two legs like Madonna did/does.
amazing that you are always like pee wee herman masterbating to your own set of childish fantasies.

talk shyt and be a pussy. its probally best since you really cant make much of a point. the real bush did better in the debates.

now whether kobe is your father or your ex lover, don't cop a shit talkers fit like the boy wonder mikey over me saying he ballhogs. its really not that big a deal and if you think it is you need to remove his future babies from your grill.

3) the lakers will win a championship with kobe, and the pistons would be 10x better with kobe than with rip or tay. c'mon, dont be that much of a homer..
get the fuck outta here with that garbage. im a homer because i know the difference between a guy who only knows how to score his way vs a guy who does it within the offense? if that shit didnt matter we woulda kept stackhouse. point fucking blank.

nothing wrong with commending his individual effort. but dont even think for a second his ballhogging ass makes us ten times better. people on our team get along with the team concept. what the fuck you think ben does when kobe cops an attitude about him missing a shot? [smilie=artist.gif]
here, i'll give you a homer statement

wow, i think flip has it on lockdown right now.

my darkhorse is byron scott, but right now its easily flip.
yea there goes a level headed cat who isnt bias for the guy he likes. [smilie=applause.gi:

did you just compare kobe to stackhouse!?!?!

i honestly dont care about teammates likeing each other. its nice. chemistry matters. but you think the bulls liked jordan? that the bad boys always got along? hell, shaq and kobe hated each other, and managed to win 3 rings.

and i stand by my flip comment.

and if were bringing history up, didnt we have an extended argument where i said gerald wallace would be a great pickup and you said he wasnt anything better than a 4th string swingman?

The guy scores 81 and people still hate him. You guys are a bunch of jelous arrogant mother fuckers.

But he schooled MoPete!!!No, because he scored 81 points you braindead cunt. It doesn't fucking matter who he scored it on, 81 points in this day and age isn't human.

You bastard. You deleted the post, then brought it back to make a monkey out of me!!! [smilie=5slow.gif]

Gutz is like Madonna. Always changing his style..........even though he doesn't sleep with anything with two legs like Madonna did/does.
amazing that you are always like pee wee herman masterbating to your own set of childish fantasies.

talk shyt and be a pussy. its probally best since you really cant make much of a point. the real bush did better in the debates.

now whether kobe is your father or your ex lover, don't cop a shit talkers fit like the boy wonder mikey over me saying he ballhogs. its really not that big a deal and if you think it is you need to remove his future babies from your grill.

Someone took my little jab waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too serious. [smilie=baby.gif]

yep if they are taking 30+ shots a night they do, while you're trying to be an ass [smilie=applause.gi:

But Kobe Bryant is usually efficent when he takes 30+ shots.
Kobe Bryant does not take 30 shots a night.
Kobe Bryant has only averaged over 25 shots a game once in his career.
Kobe Bryant averages less than 20 shots a game for his career.


i like how you leave that part out.

I like how you're not making any sense.


its dumb as nails basketball if you are actually trying to win a title or even some playoff games. [smilie=antlers.gif]

But Kobe Bryant has already won three titles being one of the two main focuses of the team.
The Lakers are re-building, and have few pieces to compliment Kobe.
Kobe takes so many shots because everyone except Odom stinks.
one of two main focuses on a team that moved the basketball. i dont know if you watched those laker teams but their was a philosphy beyond give it to kobe or shaq. often they were used to get the various jump shooters they acquired open. yea that laker team was able to get the likes of dereck fisher, kareem, rush, and worn out rick fox involved in the offense. yet all i hear now is how theres no one to pass to on this lakers squad. just a cop out excuse IMO.

your right he doesnt shoot it 30+ times every game. just more often than everyone else [smilie=antlers.gif] .kudos

3) the lakers will win a championship with kobe, and the pistons would be 10x better with kobe than with rip or tay. c'mon, dont be that much of a homer..
get the fuck outta here with that garbage. im a homer because i know the difference between a guy who only knows how to score his way vs a guy who does it within the offense? if that shit didnt matter we woulda kept stackhouse. point fucking blank.

nothing wrong with commending his individual effort. but dont even think for a second his ballhogging ass makes us ten times better. people on our team get along with the team concept. what the fuck you think ben does when kobe cops an attitude about him missing a shot? [smilie=artist.gif]
here, i'll give you a homer statement

wow, i think flip has it on lockdown right now.

my darkhorse is byron scott, but right now its easily flip.
yea there goes a level headed cat who isnt bias for the guy he likes. [smilie=applause.gi:

did you just compare kobe to stackhouse!?!?!

i honestly dont care about teammates likeing each other. its nice. chemistry matters. but you think the bulls liked jordan? that the bad boys always got along? hell, shaq and kobe hated each other, and managed to win 3 rings.

and i stand by my flip comment.

and if were bringing history up, didnt we have an extended argument where i said gerald wallace would be a great pickup and you said he wasnt anything better than a 4th string swingman?
you can stand by your flip comment all you want. stackhouse is the best example since he played with most of the guys we have in our starting five.

to say that irrelevant is reaching. stand by your flip comment all you want. its a homer comment IMO. especially if somehow im a homer for not calling kobe a guy who would help us win better than Rip. you started that line of thinking. so is it a second set of rules for your idea that Flip is a "front runner" for coach of the year? in fact you saying that he had it "locked down"? c'mon b-diddy, if you said he had a shot i would agree with that, but front runner is a lil on the homer side. and locked down is fantasizing at this point.

i see some kobe lovers are acting a lil' testy too about me not cosigning their nuthugging. trying to say i hate the guy when actually i love what he does in the long run. because it will eventually hurt something i do dislike in the lakers. [smilie=applause.gi: [smilie=2thumbsup.g: .

seriously all i did was call him a ballhog and people act like i kicked their babies in the tummy. a couple even took it to heart~lol~. fuck him, fuck this topic, and fuck anyone who actually thinks is worth verbally sparring over it.

b-diddy you still on your gerald wallace love? isnt he injured AGAIN?~LOL~

i think i spoke on that as being another reason we shouldnt grab him.

Ranks #6 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.541)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(2.44)
Ranks #10 in the NBA in Blocks Per Game(2.19)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Steals(78.0)
Ranks #15 in the NBA in Blocks(70.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Steals Per Turnover(1.34)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(3.37)
Ranks #11 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes(3.02)

and that injury is a freak bone bruise that could happen to anyone. it has little to nothing to do with his back.

man if you noestly wanna push this point then pm me anymore off topic gerald wallace love. all i have to say is for the price mo evans was a better pick up with davis. but this aint the thread for it.

wilt didnt have the 3 point line to help and kobe didnt have the luxury of being bigger than alot of competition. maybe it evens out to points are points. but Wilt chamberlains career is most remembered in his mind for his later years playing for and winning titles(besides getting laid with 20,000 different chicks) i think. only thing that really mattered for him was that. all the points in the world couldnt take away the sting of watching the celtics dominate or coming up short of a title at any point.

LMAO


as far as the teammates missing excuse. it seems they have to shoot 80 percent for kobe to believe in them. its not like they miss 10 str8 shots before he super hogs. it just takes one or two and next thing you know the hog comes out.

i've seen they lakers play a few times and his teammates arent as bad as people are saying. smush, cook, and odom can hit the open shots they'd get if he was passing it to them on a consistent basis.

Yeah. Cause the rest of the team did a great job converting 14 of 42 shots. That's a whopping 33% clip.

And it's not like this is the only game where they shot like this. They are inconsistent on a consistent basis.

What a fucking amazing performance.

Dude went 28/46. That's unheard of.

Agreed.

MOLA, I haven't done the math, but is it possible that if Kobe had shot 63 shots (the number Wilt took to hit 100), could he have surpassed Wilt's record?

What a fucking amazing performance.

Dude went 28/46. That's unheard of.

Agreed.

MOLA, I haven't done the math, but is it possible that if Kobe had shot 63 shots (the number Wilt took to hit 100), could he have surpassed Wilt's record?

Absolutely. Kobe hit what 60% last night?

Wilt took 17 more shots. If kobe had 17 more shots and made 60% of them (10 or so) That would put him over 100 pts.

I wonder how many people wouldn't take that ballhog Wilt on their team?

What a fucking amazing performance.

Dude went 28/46. That's unheard of.

Agreed.

MOLA, I haven't done the math, but is it possible that if Kobe had shot 63 shots (the number Wilt took to hit 100), could he have surpassed Wilt's record?

Absolutely. Kobe hit what 60% last night?

Wilt took 17 more shots. If kobe had 17 more shots and made 60% of them (10 or so) That would put him over 100 pts.

I wonder how many people wouldn't take that ballhog Wilt on their team?

Thanks Train Wreck.

Boy, that puts it in perspective.

yea im sure that theory works for the lakers who are no better than last year at sharing the basketball.

Maybe if there were some better players on the court around Kobe the ball would moved.


Maybe there would be, if Kobe hadn't run them all out of town. This argument is ridiculous. Kobe did everything in his power to make sure he was the only star in town.

This is what he wanted.

BTW about the WIlt vs Kobe thing and so many people dismissing against the comp that Wilt played against.

Let me ask you this, which ERA had more quality 7 foot centers, 1960's or in the 2000s?

I think you guys will be surprised at which ERA had the better big men who actually posted.

Okay train wreck, I will give you he would score over 100 points with 16 more shots, but Wilt didnt have the 3 point shot, so take away all his 3 points shots and Kobe doesnt make 100, because he would have need 26 more out of thos 16 shots. He would have been a few short.


Art

What Kobe did blows Wilt's 100 point game out of the water IMO.

I'm not gonna go into extenive detail because I shouldn't fucking have to.

Offensive scouting, defensive schemes, actual professional athletes, extensive coaching, athleticism and so on.

For crying out loud can't people just praise the ball hog for a day and be done with it?

I hate Kobe - would hate to have him on my favourite team.

But 81 points on 60+ fg%?

That's insane. I couldn't care less if he's fucking Odom or hitting him with a brick.

For 1 night he was "ON" and I'll praise him for that

For 1 night he was "ON" and I'll praise him for that
yea that nights been over and some of us gave him props. but because we like you used the term ballhog. kobe lovers went psychotic about it. it never was a meaningful issue. either way its over.

I disagree Cairns. I hate that people dismiss what Wilt did against supposed lack of competition. I would take the 60's centers overall against the current batch of centers and please forgive me, but Wilt and Russell would both dominant the game today with the lack of anything at center.

I mean Jesus David Robinson put you 71 10 years back....and again the level of center play is at about an all time low.


Art

We can only go on who Wilt played.

Find the roster he torched for 100.

Tell me the players on that team were as good defensively as the Raptors.

Tell me they had a bunch of different guys to switch onto Wilt to slow him down.

Tell me they were as finely tuned as the Raptors.

Sure Toronto sucks, but that doesn't mean Kobe has an easy night against Joey Graham, Jalen Rose, Morris Peterson, Mike James and anyone else they threw on him.

My opinion isn't going to change unless someone produces some kick ass evidence that explains that Wilt had it tougher than Kobe did.

yea im sure that theory works for the lakers who are no better than last year at sharing the basketball.

Maybe if there were some better players on the court around Kobe the ball would moved.


Maybe there would be, if Kobe hadn't run them all out of town. This argument is ridiculous. Kobe did everything in his power to make sure he was the only star in town.

This is what he wanted.

You have no proof that Kobe ran them out of town so your argument is ridiculous.

I mean Jesus David Robinson put you 71 10 years back....and again the level of center play is at about an all time low.

That's because his teammates gave him the ball every single possession so he could win the scoring title over Shaq.

Its a known fact that he scored those on the backup center.

yea im sure that theory works for the lakers who are no better than last year at sharing the basketball.

Maybe if there were some better players on the court around Kobe the ball would moved.


Maybe there would be, if Kobe hadn't run them all out of town. This argument is ridiculous. Kobe did everything in his power to make sure he was the only star in town.

This is what he wanted.

You have no proof that Kobe ran them out of town so your argument is ridiculous.

He ran Shreq out and that was the only player that mattered. Karl Malone ran himself off because he came onto Cryant's wife. Payton? He's just bouncing around until he finds a team he can win a ring with.

yea im sure that theory works for the lakers who are no better than last year at sharing the basketball.

Maybe if there were some better players on the court around Kobe the ball would moved.


Maybe there would be, if Kobe hadn't run them all out of town. This argument is ridiculous. Kobe did everything in his power to make sure he was the only star in town.

This is what he wanted.

You have no proof that Kobe ran them out of town so your argument is ridiculous.

He ran Shreq out and that was the only player that mattered. Karl Malone ran himself off because he came onto Cryant's wife. Payton? He's just bouncing around until he finds a team he can win a ring with.

He didn't run Shaq off. Shaq demanded a trade because his fatass felt like wasn't getting the ball enough.

yea im sure that theory works for the lakers who are no better than last year at sharing the basketball.

Maybe if there were some better players on the court around Kobe the ball would moved.


Maybe there would be, if Kobe hadn't run them all out of town. This argument is ridiculous. Kobe did everything in his power to make sure he was the only star in town.

This is what he wanted.

You have no proof that Kobe ran them out of town so your argument is ridiculous.

He ran Shreq out and that was the only player that mattered. Karl Malone ran himself off because he came onto Cryant's wife. Payton? He's just bouncing around until he finds a team he can win a ring with.

He didn't run Shaq off. Shaq demanded a trade because his fatass felt like wasn't getting the ball enough.

...because of Kobe's ballhogging antics. Also, Phillip left town because of Kobe, unless he completely lied in his book.

yea im sure that theory works for the lakers who are no better than last year at sharing the basketball.

Maybe if there were some better players on the court around Kobe the ball would moved.


Maybe there would be, if Kobe hadn't run them all out of town. This argument is ridiculous. Kobe did everything in his power to make sure he was the only star in town.

This is what he wanted.

You have no proof that Kobe ran them out of town so your argument is ridiculous.

He ran Shreq out and that was the only player that mattered. Karl Malone ran himself off because he came onto Cryant's wife. Payton? He's just bouncing around until he finds a team he can win a ring with.

He didn't run Shaq off. Shaq demanded a trade because his fatass felt like wasn't getting the ball enough.

...because of Kobe's ballhogging antics. Also, Phillip left town because of Kobe, unless he completely lied in his book.

How was Kobe hogging the ball? He had to shoot a lot against Detroit because of our good defense. No one else other than Shaq and Kobe were capable of scoring more than 10 points and Karl Malone was 61 and on one leg. And you can't just dump the ball to Shaq every time because the Piston big men were not letting him into his usual positioning, which is why Shaq was trning the ball over left and right.

And I don't think Kobe was the sole reason why Phil left, which is why he decided to come back. If he hated Kobe so much, then he would have stayed retired.

That is one big RWQ chain.

How was Kobe hogging the ball? He had to shoot a lot against Detroit because of our good defense. No one else other than Shaq and Kobe were capable of scoring more than 10 points and Karl Malone was 61 and on one leg. And you can't just dump the ball to Shaq every time because the Piston big men were not letting him into his usual positioning, which is why Shaq was trning the ball over left and right.

And I don't think Kobe was the sole reason why Phil left, which is why he decided to come back. If he hated Kobe so much, then he would have stayed retired.

I'm not referring just to the Lakers/Pistons series. I'm referring to the last couple years Kobe, Shaq, and Phil were together.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that I was imagining all the friction that Kobe caused the Lakers, specifically Shaq and Phil? Phil wrote a fucking chapter in his book, saying Kobe was "uncoachable" and that his ego was too enormous to contend with. Shaq, who seems like a pretty nice guy, couldn't even stand to look at him whenever they met afterwards. What, Shaq just singled out Kobe, the angel, to be a guy to hate for no reason?

Phil came back because he's a money grubbing attention whore. He knew damn well this team wouldn't do shit with Kobe as the "leader", he just wanted to collect a paycheck for doing practically nothing.

We can only go on who Wilt played.

Find the roster he torched for 100.

Tell me the players on that team were as good defensively as the Raptors.

Tell me they had a bunch of different guys to switch onto Wilt to slow him down.

Tell me they were as finely tuned as the Raptors.

Sure Toronto sucks, but that doesn't mean Kobe has an easy night against Joey Graham, Jalen Rose, Morris Peterson, Mike James and anyone else they threw on him.

My opinion isn't going to change unless someone produces some kick ass evidence that explains that Wilt had it tougher than Kobe did.

A few things...

It was the end of the '61 season, in a meaningless game, against the last place Knicks.

Wilt was up against their reserve center.

The key was far narrower than it is today, allowing him to literally stand right beneath the basket. All a guard had to do was lob it to Wilt.

Teams averaged well over 110 points per game back then.

Something like 14 rules were derived due to Wilt's dominance. But at the time of the 100 point game, these rules had yet to exist.

From hoophall.com:

Because Chamberlain's skills were so far advanced than his competitors, several rule changes were enacted to harness his awesome ability. These rules changed included widening the lane, instituting offensive goaltending and revising rules governing inbounding the ball and shooting free throws.


From encarta.com:

Because of Chamberlain's height and offensive prowess, NCAA administrators instituted several rules changes to limit his impact. The most important new regulation was offensive goaltending. Under the new rules players could no longer guide the ball in or out of the basket by touching it while it was in the space directly above the rim. Other rules prohibited lobbing the ball over the backboard from behind it (so that a teammate could catch and dunk the ball), and taking a running leap from the free-throw line to make a layup during foul shots. Both had been favorite plays of Chamberlain.

1) there was also no 3 second rule, so the size of the key didnt matter. wilt could literraly camp in the paint all day.

2) kobe was right to get shaq out of town. kobe is just entering his prime. he knew that shaq wanted a big extention. kobe didnt want the prime of his career by shaq's fat ass taking up the entire salary cap. like i said, trading shaq was the right move. it was just the wrong trade.

3) i dont know why people say the lakers wont do anything. theyre going to make the playoffs. and outside of san antonio, im not sure there is a team i would say the lakers cant beat.

4) before sunday, scoring 100pts in the nba was probably considered one of the sports milestones that would never be touched. now?

call kobe a ballhog all you want. he's the best baller on the planet. if you think the lakers would be better served spreading the ball around, that an opinion, but most of the evidence says your wrong.

call kobe a ballhog all you want. he's the best baller on the planet. if you think the lakers would be better served spreading the ball around, that an opinion, but most of the evidence says your wrong.

Evidence being LA's stellar record?

call kobe a ballhog all you want. he's the best baller on the planet. if you think the lakers would be better served spreading the ball around, that an opinion, but most of the evidence says your wrong.

Evidence being LA's stellar record?

Aren't they almost a playoff team now? Seems their place in the standings is directly realted to Kobe's chuckatude.

Seems their place in the standings is directly realted to Kobe's chuckatude.

On this we can agree.

Especially when the season ends, Kobe finds himself the object of hatred by all his teammates and coaches, and the Lakers are watching the playoffs with the rest of us.

yea, i think their record does show it.

after starting 6-9, theyve gone 16-10, and are 7-3 in the last ten (where kobe has averaged 45).

in the two games kobe didnt play, the lakers lost both.

in the 8 games kobe hasnt been their leading scorer, the lakers are 1-7.

look, if your the laker coach, are you honestly game planning to get smush parker 15 shots a game?

look at their roster. it sucks. 3 of their starters might not even make it on other team's rosters. lamar odom has had one great year in the nba, and several average ones.

Thanks Denny.

I stand by my statement:

Kobe's 81 point game blows Wilt's 100 point game out of the water.

For anyone that may want to see the game if you can download it with a program like bitlord, azarus basically any program to download torrents using this link:

http://www.demonoid.com/torrents/download/HTTP/265237/NBATorontoRaptorsvsLALakers01221799176.Demonoid.co m.torrent

Nice. Thanks Starman and welcome to WTF.

That's insane. I couldn't care less if he's fucking Odom or hitting him with a brick.

He probably was doing the former when he realized he scored 81 points.

http://www.thebrushback.com/kobeteammates_full.htm

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http://www.thebrushback.com/kobeteammates_full.htm

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“Lamar is a great teammate. I told him at the beginning of this season that he really needed to practice getting out of the way. And he has. I especially liked when he intercepted that pass from Luke [Walton] that was intended for Kwame Brown and sent it right over to me. Luke made a mistake passing that ball to Kwame, and Lamar stepped in and corrected it. But that’s how this team is. We’re constantly picking each other up.”
Well played Mr Lenny Well played

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http://www.tvsquad.com/images/2005/05/12.jpg

http://www.thebrushback.com/kobeteammates_full.htm

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That is great!

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nbacom/nbatv/bryant_k_81_060122.asx

all of Kobe's 81 points.