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This is it WTFers. All the hype, all the trash talk, and all the hatred. It's time for archrivals Michigan and Michigan State to settle it on the court at Crisler Arena. This has all the makings of a great matchup. State is 15-4 and has won 3 in a row, Michigan is 13-3 and is coming off back to back wins. The Spartans are probably playing the best ball they've played so far this year and this is Michigan's most talented team they've had in a while.

Injuries are a concern as Paul Davis tweaked an ankle in practice and Lester Abram rolled his ankle pretty badly vs. Minnesota. Davis should be OK, but Lester's status remains questionable, more likely doubtful. [smilie=uhoh.gif]

Whatever you do, make sure you have your VCR or TiVo set to record LOST, because you not a sports fan in Michigan if you don't watch this game on Wednesday night. [smilie=thegame.gif]

AW fuck i wanna see this game...

I am just glad both teams are coming in fairly healthy and on winning streaks. No excuse for either side.



Art

Is it just more or is the Michigan home crowd one of the lamest ever? The worst is that new student zone they got going in recent years where the kids try to act like they are duke and only half the kids are excited and the other ones are confused.

MSU by 15. [smilie=firing.gif] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Michigan_BlockM.jpg/120px-Michigan_BlockM.jpg

Maybe cliffy but it is a lot better than 3-4 years ago.


Art

Lester Abram with a high ankle sprain....


Let the stockpiling of excuses commence. [smilie=army.gif]

I am still waiting on word on the x-ray results.

With or without Abram I think UM can win. I also think they can lose with or without him.

No excuses. Good teams can overcome the loss of a player and move on. God knows he has been injured enough the last two years.


Art

If they can stay close to Indiana on the road without Abram they should be able to keep MSU close at home without Abram.

With that said...Abram does not play they get waxed.

* UM ranks 5th in all time Big Ten winning pct, or 9th if you factor in the Ed Martin 1990's forfeits.

* UM has won exactly 1 NCAA Tournament game since the 1994-95 season. That is 10th in the Big Ten.

* UM has not been ranked since the 1997-98 season. Only Northwestern has a longer drought.

* Against UM, MSU has won 4 straight, 12 of 13, 18 of 29, 30 of 53.

* Against UM at Crisler, MSU has won 2 straight, 5 of the last 6, 6 of the last 10, 8 of the last 14, 13 of the last 26.

* UM has finished ahead of MSU in the Big Ten just 3 times since 1990, and two of these don't count due to forfeiture.

Lester Abram with a high ankle sprain....


Let the stockpiling of excuses commence. [smilie=army.gif]

Who is that piece of ass in your picture? Any more pictures?

Lester Abram with a high ankle sprain....


Let the stockpiling of excuses commence. [smilie=army.gif]

Who is that piece of ass in your picture? Any more pictures?

Her name's Erin Marie..she is/was a student at MSU. There was a string of pictures of her (including a few full body shots) on another board that I frequent. I can't seem to echo-locate the picture's original source though.

For some strange reason I just saved the few pictures that displayed massive closeups of her fucking enormous tits.

Here's the only other pic I have of her. Enjoy. [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

***to see picture, go to page 3***

Oh yeah and...Go Green, beat blue.

Latest word on Abram's injury is that he's day to day with an ankle sprain. A mod on The Wolverine.com said they should know more by this afternoon/evening.

It's definitely a major blow if Abram cannot play. That changes the whole dynamic of the game and causes Ron Coleman, Jerret Smith and Jevohn Shepherd to get more minutes. [smilie=arrgh.jpg]

With that said, I still think Michigan can win because of the X factor, Daniel Horton, if he plays anything like he did Saturday vs. Minnesota (32 points) Michigan has a good chance.

Bottom Line-I stand by my prediction of last year, Michigan wins with or without Abram.

GO BLUE! [smilie=horns.gif]

I hear that Abram's ankle does not look good at all. I believe the presser is today at 3:30. We should now more then.

If Abram plays he will contain Ager...With the fact that Ager will be playing on the road and that he will have one of the Big Ten's best defenders on him he will be useless.

The Shannon Brown vs Daniel Horton match up is what I want to see. I am hoping that Horton is on Brown because even though Harris says he is 100% I do not think he really is. Harris can stick on Neitzel and will do just fine. I really like brown on Davis. I think that he will at least keep him off the glass. Simms can stick with Trannon or Gray.

The key will be Abram and the bench. If Hunter can hit his jumpers and Petway can keep the crowd jacked up along with Abram playing I like UM.

However, no Lester...no victory. He means so much to that team just being on the court as a leader - if he is not there...sorry guys, it does not look good.

Alright, first of all, great job Moodini with the opening thread. One of the best I've seen! props

Regarding the injuries, Davis' ankle injury was hardly a "tweak" seeing that he almost didn't play. Regardless, it doesn't matter.

I am extremely surprised by the overly confident Wolverines I've been hearing from. For once, this isn't trash talk, but I don't know how you guys can be confident. Excited about the opportunity? Okay, I could see that. But, being confident about a game against MSU? hmmm....I don't know fellas.

Interesting Muhme that you believe Abram is one of the BT's best defenders and that you believe he will hold down Ager. I don't know about that my friend.

The key to the game will be post play. If Michigan State dominates inside, Michigan has no chance. If Michigan holds their own inside or plays better inside than State, they have a "chance."

I can't see U of M winning without Abram (sorry). MSU has the best wings in the country, and I don't know how they are going to match them without Abram. Unless Sims can go off and get Davis in foul trouble I just can't see a U of M win.

That being said, the home team in the Big 10 CAN always win, so it's possible.

The key to this game is Mo Ager. I can picture Muhme's wet dream of Ager going 0-12 from the field while turning the ball over 10 times. If Ager shows the Spartans win by 15. If Ager vanishes it will be a toss up with either team winning by 2-4 points. If Abrams is out Michigan is in trouble.

Personally Muhme I hope Ager throws in 30 and you cry yourself to sleep. I know Michigan isn't ranked but a rivalry game is still big time, especially on the road.

The key to this game is Mo Ager. I can picture Muhme's wet dream of Ager going 0-12 from the field while turning the ball over 10 times. If Ager shows the Spartans win by 15. If Ager vanishes it will be a toss up with either team winning by 2-4 points. If Abrams is out Michigan is in trouble.

Personally Muhme I hope Ager throws in 30 and you cry yourself to sleep. I know Michigan isn't ranked but a rivalry game is still big time, especially on the road.

I already had my wet dream...the two MSU fans that actually know what they are talking about are on the site I visit (you and Tre)

Now...Yes, it would be my dream to see Ager suck ass and watch Shannon run around like the stud on that team that he is.

Tre...I think that Lester has the speed, size and the athletic ability to stick with Ager. I do not like Mo's game at all...so he does not worry me. It is guys like Brown and Gray that worry me. Everyone else will fall into place. Gray, Brown and Trannon bring such a bad ass swagger to that team if they get rolling it will be tough to slow down.

I already had my wet dream...the two MSU fans that actually know what they are talking about are on the site I visit (you and Tre)

Now...Yes, it would be my dream to see Ager suck ass and watch Shannon run around like the stud on that team that he is.

Tre...I think that Lester has the speed, size and the athletic ability to stick with Ager. I do not like Mo's game at all...so he does not worry me. It is guys like Brown and Gray that worry me. Everyone else will fall into place. Gray, Brown and Trannon bring such a bad ass swagger to that team if they get rolling it will be tough to slow down.

Good shit Muhme, happy to be here. Brown, Gray, and Trannon are a fearsome threesome, I can't tell you how desperate I am to have all three back on the court next year. Playing @ Crisler won't be easy but if MSU comes out with a win picture me rolling like Hammer [smilie=hammertime.:

I have two things to say. The first being, why am I not worried that much about this game? It's really weird. Michigan is pretty good, it is on the road in the BT, Michigan and their crowd will be completely jacked. So why am I not worried. I had the same feeling about the Iowa game and they were ranked. I was sitting back, chillin, enjoying the win. Not an ounce of worry from the tip. For some reason, I'm like that with this game. I know Michigan could win, but for some reason I'm cool as the other side of the pillow.

Second, here is a great quote from Jim Comp. He is so right and I think he kindof puts the whole game BACK into perspective.


"Only the Bad Streaks Count"
EAST LANSING - Michigan State has won three straight games against ranked opponents, and has five wins against Top 25 teams on the year - not that anyone cares about that stuff anymore. Lose once to Michigan, and people will think the sky is falling (again). [/quote]

I have two things to say. The first being, why am I not worried that much about this game? It's really weird. Michigan is pretty good, it is on the road in the BT, Michigan and their crowd will be completely jacked. So why am I not worried. I had the same feeling about the Iowa game and they were ranked. I was sitting back, chillin, enjoying the win. Not an ounce of worry from the tip. For some reason, I'm like that with this game. I know Michigan could win, but for some reason I'm cool as the other side of the pillow.

And Tre is always the one saying Michigan fans are arrogant. [smilie=shrug smile:

BTW in the latest coaches' poll MSU is #12 and Michigan is #26. "So you're tellin me there's a chance"? [smilie=grin.gif]

"Only the Bad Streaks Count"
EAST LANSING - Michigan State has won three straight games against ranked opponents, and has five wins against Top 25 teams on the year - not that anyone cares about that stuff anymore. Lose once to Michigan, and people will think the sky is falling (again).

And Michigan didn't do enough to get ranked this week (they're #26...again) so that three game winning streak against ranked opponents is going to end on Wednesday.
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For some strange reason I just saved the few pictures that displayed massive closeups of her fucking enormous tits.

Here's the only other pic I have of her. Enjoy. [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

http://img138.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-1047/loc294/13d5d_mer5091mROEhX_ph.jpg


I just wanted to point out that your link is bad, not that I was hoping to see that pic, or anything.

And Tre is always the one saying Michigan fans are arrogant.

How am I being arrogant? I said several times that Michigan has a shot to upset the Spartans. If I was arrogant, I'd say that Michigan doesn't have a chance in hell because MSU is superior and they always win. I'm not saying that am I? I'm sorry if I don't feel "worried." Do you want me to lie?


BTW in the latest coaches' poll MSU is #12 and Michigan is #26. "So you're tellin me there's a chance"?

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying? What do you want me to say? Am I supposed to say UM will win? I said they have a chance. They do don't they? I don't get what I said that was inaccurate?

Moodini, I'm starting to wonder how much college hoops you've watched this year. Michigan isn't a great team. They are probably the 6th or 7th team in the Big Ten. Here I am talking about how Michigan has a shot and it should be a good one and you taking offense to it. It's like you want me to give some massive props and say State is going to lose or something. I don't get it.

Moodini:
Talk to me on Thursday. You're gonna say "Things done changed".

This isn't a trash talk post. I'm just trying to get a grasp of your opinion of Michigan.

You seem extremely confident about this game on Wed. And your comment above leads me to believe that you think that Michigan is now the power or something? Is that what you mean by "Things done changed" ???

Do you believe this is THE year for Michigan? Are you a total believer now?

Your comments and confidence lead me to believe you believe all these things. I'm not questioning them, just wanting to make sure I know how you feel about this Michigan team. You seem to have went from shaky optimism with this team to extreme confidence.

For some strange reason I just saved the few pictures that displayed massive closeups of her fucking enormous tits.

Here's the only other pic I have of her. Enjoy. [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

http://img138.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-1047/loc294/13d5d_mer5091mROEhX_ph.jpg


I just wanted to point out that your link is bad, not that I was hoping to see that pic, or anything.

Yeah. I didn't see the pic either.

Ok, here's my two cents. I'll be cheering for Michigan and hoping, and I think it is certainly possible for Michigan to win this game. Having said that, I'm not positive they have the swagger yet. Ranked teams have just enough to do them in.

By the way, I could totally see a blowout too. Michigan doesn't match up nearly as well against a deep State team as they do Illinois. Michigan still makes some pretty bad mistakes, and still likes to shoot the longball even when it's not falling. They impressed me a lot when they battled back multiple times against Illinois. This should be an interesting game. State still isn't top 10 though, so it wouldn't prove to be a monumental win if UM pulled it out.

I already had my wet dream...the two MSU fans that actually know what they are talking about are on the site I visit (you and Tre)


I guess I don't know what I'm talking about... I'll remember that Muhme....

Tre,

I definitely don't think this is "the year" for Michigan, but it's the best team they've had in a while so I'm excited. I actually feel like we have a chance to beat State for the first time since Horton's freshman season. Do you blame me for that? I'm not calling for a "changing of the guard" yet, but I like where the program is headed. I think we can actually "hang" with you guys now.

As far as your arrogance goes, maybe I took it the wrong way, but I have a hard time believing that you are going to chill out, watch the game and be "as cool as the other side of the pillow". I'm thinkin' you'll be on the edge of your seat. I know there have been years in football where M is a big favorite over MSU and every year, I'm not "as cool as the other side of the pillow". I always get a bit nervous because it's a rivalry game, especially when the game is on the road.

Earlier I said I was confident. That was before I knew the extent of Abram's injury. Here's Amaker's comments on Abram's injury "It's been diagnosed at this point as a severe ankle sprain," said Amaker. "There's nothing more I can say other than we're going to evaluate him and he probably won't practice today. Not practicing today leads us to believe it might be a stretch for Wednesday, but I don't have a medical title." I'm getting less and less confident as the game gets closer, but I still think homecourt and Michigan's momentum they have rolling right now will be enough to pull out a tight one vs. Sparty. I'llstick with my prediction from a year ago.

It's killing me that Abram is becoming an annual excuse for us. I love the guy and I wish, as I'm sure he does, he was healthy.

We need depth. Can DeShawn Sims just play for us now?

I already had my wet dream...the two MSU fans that actually know what they are talking about are on the site I visit (you and Tre)

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I'd like to think that I know what I'm talking about. I'm not a 'name' poster though, so not surprised that you overlooked me.

Yeah. I didn't see the pic either.

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/250/mer5091mroehxph9xi.jpg

I'd like to think that I know what I'm talking about. I'm not a 'name' poster though, so not surprised that you overlooked me.

I don't mean to name post but I came over to this site looking for Muhme because he's too big of a pussy to show his face in old places. [smilie=trollwelcom: JK, GO STATE!

Michigan State has a ton of momentum right now and they are playing great basketball. They are one of the only Big Ten teams that has had an impressive road win and have played all the top teams in the conference, winning 3 out of the 5. Michigan has a so-so win against Minnesota and wins against Purdue and Northwestern. Michigan keeps it close in the first half, but Michigan State will exert their will in the second half.

State still isn't top 10 though, so it wouldn't prove to be a monumental win if UM pulled it out.

They will be shortly, actually they should be now. I love how Indiana is ranked ahead of MSU after MSU drilled them. Regardless, if Michigan would win, it would be HUGE Jethro.


As far as your arrogance goes, maybe I took it the wrong way, but I have a hard time believing that you are going to chill out, watch the game and be "as cool as the other side of the pillow". I'm thinkin' you'll be on the edge of your seat. I know there have been years in football where M is a big favorite over MSU and every year, I'm not "as cool as the other side of the pillow". I always get a bit nervous because it's a rivalry game, especially when the game is on the road.
I didn't say I'd sit back as cool as the other side of the pillow for tomorrow's game. Read what I wrote again. I said I sat that way during the Iowa game. And I said I felt cool and calm about this game. No doubt I'll be on the edge of my seat when it comes though.


Earlier I said I was confident. That was before I knew the extent of Abram's injury.
An injury is understandable to a point. If a top guy is missing, you've got an argument. But, when a guy spends his whole career on the sideline, eventually it just becomes irrelavent. Sounds like excuses are brewing already.

State still isn't top 10 though, so it wouldn't prove to be a monumental win if UM pulled it out.

They will be shortly, actually they should be now.

Spartan whining. I've got to call you on it, since you're so quick to accuse Michigan fans.

State still isn't top 10 though, so it wouldn't prove to be a monumental win if UM pulled it out.

They will be shortly, actually they should be now.

Spartan whining. I've got to call you on it, since you're so quick to accuse Michigan fans.

MSU should definitely be top 10, they are #4 in RPI and, as previously posted, have beaten Indiana who's in front of them. [smilie=angry.gif]

You're reaching Jethro...big time.

BTW in the latest coaches' poll MSU is #12 and Michigan is #26. "So you're tellin me there's a chance"? [smilie=grin.gif]

You made mention of the difficulties you may have in keeping from playing 360 because the Super Bowl is gonna be garbage. I envision it being harder to keep from doing so when the Spartans are up on the Yellow and Blue tomorrow night by 25 with ten minutes left in the game. So in summation, I'm telling you there's no chance.
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But I'll be back to eat crow if it does happen [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

My offical prediction. MSU gets out to an 8 or 10 point lead and Michigan rallies back in the second half for a 3 point win. Horton carries the Wolverines with 25, Dion has 16, and Courtney doesn't bitch out and gets 12 pts and 10 boards. Petway gets the crowd crazy hyped after 2 huge dunks in the second half and uses that energy and momentum to pull the upset.

Michigan-72
Michigan St.-69

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/badger/img/jan03/shorton1208.jpg
YEEEEEEEEEAH BOOOOOOYEEE!

You'll find me here in the morning Moodini. [smilie=goodnews.gi: I just hope you come back here to the D to get yours. [smilie=fryingpan.g:

I can't freaking wait for the game tonight! I'm pissin' my pants already! You'd think with State's history versus UM that I'd be the one guaranteeing victories, but I can't do that. I can't guarantee a road victory. I've got too much respect for the road BT environment. I will most definately guarantee a home win in the Brez.

But, don't assume I'm gonna bitch out either. I'm not guaranteeing doesn't mean I'm not predicting. My prediction is a 12 point win for the Spartans. Early energy and some threes keep Michigan in it. Easy dunks and buckets like last year help MSU pull away.

The many emotions of Tre during the game tonight:

[smilie=grumble.gif] [smilie=duh.gif] [smilie=shout.gif] [smilie=worried.gif] [smilie=embarassed.: [smilie=banghead.gi: [smilie=damn.gif] [smilie=hissyfit.gi: [smilie=thatsfoul.g:

haha, I think you are right. I generally have those emotions when I watch Michigan basketball. Turnover Harris [smilie=banghead.gi:, allowed layups [smilie=grumble.gif] , Horton jacks a three in attempt to cut a 10 pt. deficit with one shot [smilie=duh.gif]

gotta give love with the funny post though wizzle [smilie=applause.gi:

Get ready to see a bunch of Ager-Bombs getting dropped tonight.

Michigan St. 86
Michigan 62

I am pumped for the game. I think Michigan has a shot just because MSU has looked bad on the road thus far in Big Ten play.

I want Michigan to win, but I more than anything want a good game.


Art

UM relies wayyy to much on the outside shot.


Oh well. [smilie=greenapple.:

Damn.


Just damn. [smilie=duh.gif]

Thanks for coming, I shouldnt have told you to fuck off. I think it is cool you came even after MSU just got beat.

I do want to say FUCK YOU to your prediction though..:)

Just want to say that it looked a lot like when Michigan plays at IU.

And let the bitching about the refs begin.


Art

Those refs were terrible. You have to admit even if your a UM fan. I think the 90 year old middle school ref could have done a better job. But not to blame the game on the refs, Izzo did us in when he called to TO when Ager put up that 3. Fuckin retard. I'm upset that we lost to UM, but I dont think State will go into a shit hole or anything like that.


UM, DEFINITLY deserves a top 25 spot now.

Oh boy. That's it, oh boy.

Here's what you can look forward to tomorrow:

1 - Whining about the refs, which will go right back in their faces since they say all Michigan does is complain about officiating and Tre has even told me Izzo will never use refs as an excuse - that the team should have never put themselves in that position.

2 - State fans saying "We still got you in 12 of the last 14." Live in the now boys, live in the now.

3 - Tre saying, "Too bad Jethro said this wouldn't be a big win since we weren't top 10." Well, after you claimed you absolutely should be in the top ten and told me it was a huge stretch when I called you on it, I'll consider a small hair away from being a very big win.

So thanks State fans, for taking away all your talk before you could even get there. My next question, are you still elite? Hahahaha. Yeah, I know I would have been quiet as a church mouse had Ager hit that last 3, but he didn't so here I am. We don't get many chances to talk trash like this in hoops, so I have to make the most out of it.

I'm not worried about this loss. Look at our next 5 games.

Sat, Jan 28 Penn St. Sat, Feb 4 at Northwestern
Wed, Feb 8 Purdue
Sat, Feb 11 at Minnesota
Tue, Feb 14 at Iowa

We should be able to win all 5. This is a big boost for UM though. Their next 5 have two hard games when Wisconsin comes to chrysler and so does OSU.

Oh boy. That's it, oh boy.

Here's what you can look forward to tomorrow:

1 - Whining about the refs, which will go right back in their faces since they say all Michigan does is complain about officiating and Tre has even told me Izzo will never use refs as an excuse - that the team should have never put themselves in that position.

2 - State fans saying "We still got you in 12 of the last 14." Live in the now boys, live in the now.

3 - Tre saying, "Too bad Jethro said this wouldn't be a big win since we weren't top 10." Well, after you claimed you absolutely should be in the top ten and told me it was a huge stretch when I called you on it, I'll consider a small hair away from being a very big win.

So thanks State fans, for taking away all your talk before you could even get there. My next question, are you still elite? Hahahaha. Yeah, I know I would have been quiet as a church mouse had Ager hit that last 3, but he didn't so here I am. We don't get many chances to talk trash like this in hoops, so I have to make the most out of it.We're still elite. Upsets happen.

No matter what you think about the refs....just remember Davis got a gift when he fell down and they called Brown. That was the worst call of the game and probably the most critical.

Sims is horrible. I hate him. Kick him off the team. Coleman was huge. Never thought he could play as well as he did.


Art

Just to be fair, I expect State to blow the doors off the place on Feb 18 when Michigan visits E. Lansing. I'm pretty sure they will be plenty pissed. Now if Sims can show up, Abram plays, and Harris does a little better than 1-11, we might still be able to hang in that one, too.

Moodini, I'm starting to wonder how much college hoops you've watched this year. Michigan isn't a great team. They are probably the 6th or 7th team in the Big Ten. Here I am talking about how Michigan has a shot and it should be a good one and you taking offense to it. It's like you want me to give some massive props and say State is going to lose or something. I don't get it.

So if Michigan is only the 6th or 7th best team according to professor Tre, then what does that make MSU?

This is all I am going to say....





JUST

LIKE

FOOTBALL!!

I was at the Pistons game so I missed it. All I have to say is - GREATEST NIGHT EVER.

Good defense of the homecourt Wolverines (very important in Big Ten play), great atmosphere @ Crisler. Bad refs and all State should've come with more. Now go get yourselves in the tourney and we'll see ya at the Bres. [smilie=shame.gif]

Obviously a HUGE win for Michigan. They went into a lull during the mid part of the first half and finished the first half somewhat strong. I swear a different team came out of the locker room in the second half. They were intense, aggressive, and poised. They played like a team who "could be a sleeper for the Final Four". The defense was in State's grill and they would not back down, all shots were contested, and rebounds were secured. The offense looked fluid and Horton (23pts, 5 ast, 4 reb, 8-8 FTs) was the engine. I've got to give mad props to [smilie=not-worthy.: Ron Coleman and Chris Hunter. (Hunter 13 pts, 5 reb, 2 blk and Coleman had 9 big points on 4-5 shooting with 2 steals) Those two have been ripped by many Michigan fans (including myself) and stepped up BIG TIME. Coleman filled in admirably for Lester and forced State to respect him as a threat. Hunter was a force on D swatting away and contesting plenty of shots as well as knocking down the big 3, finishing around the basket, and making clutch free throws down the stretch. Much props.

Question of the night-Why did Tom Izzo call that timeout before the Ager 3? Michigan was obviously scrambling and MSU was bound to get a good look. He'll be kicking himself for that one. [smilie=duh.gif]

Let's look and see what this win does for Michigan. They will be ranked in the next top 25 poll, now have a great chance to make the NCAA tournament, and if they beat Wisconsin on Saturday, they will be in first place in the Big Ten and have a legitamate shot at the Big Ten Championship. [smilie=jaw-droppin: WOW.

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Michigan's Daniel Horton raises his arms in celebration in the closing seconds of their 72-67 win over MIchigan State in their NCAA basketball game at Crisler Arena in Ann Arbor, Mich., Wednesday, Jan. 25, 2006. (AP Photo/Paul Sancya)

I have nothing to say other than that was a great game to watch.

I haven't cared about college hoops for years, but I found myself toggling between the Pistons and this game all night.

Great win for the maize and blue.

"Officiating, I question," Izzo said. "The 34-10 discrepancy really hurt us. It didn't cost us the game, or cause the turnovers.

"I'm sitting here crying about the officiating. I did not like the way it was called. But I'm allowed to dispute that without getting personal," he said.

As stated this game reminded me too much of the UM vs IU games in years past.


Art

I didn't watch much of the game because the Pistons game stole my attention. So, I missed about %90 of those foul calls and can't comment on the difference there.

But why did they not call a tech, flagrent or something on Petway for that cheap shot? He basically pulled a Kobe and stuck out his elbow on Ager because they got dunked on. That call seems to be overlooked a lot.

I felt they ran into each other and at the end, Petway's elbow came up, but did not make contact, but I am a Michigan fan, so my view of the situation is somewhat bias, same as when MSU people talk about it.


Art

Let's look and see what this win does for Michigan. They will be ranked in the next top 25 poll, now have a great chance to make the NCAA tournament, and if they beat Wisconsin on Saturday, they will be in first place in the Big Ten and have a legitamate shot at the Big Ten Championship. [smilie=jaw-droppin: WOW.


You'll be in the top 25 if you beat Wisconsin. Lose to Wisconsin and there's a chance you stay at 27. It was a good win for the Blue and a great first-step but Michigan needs to keep on winning. It'll all be for nothing if they end up finishing .500 in the BigTen.

Has anyone seen big Tre today? I wonder if his elementary students are having a bad day dealing with the rath of the doc. I'm sure anytime a kid has a question he responds with "but the refs screwed us" or "god I can't believe he called that on Trannon, he got mostly ball." However, the guy I really feel the worst for is Tom Izzo. It has been a long time since I've seen a guy make such an ass out of himself and slightly tarnish himself. I don't think there is a person on this planet that watched the game that will not agree with the statement of.........The officiating was horrible! But for any state fan or Tom Izzo himself to say that Michigan got all the calls is ridiculous. I think everyone saw Paul Davis fall down by himself and get rewarded with two free throws and there were a few scrums where no calls were made and the play where Ron Coleman was slapped in the back of the head was clear, but maybe if the Sparties hadn't settled for so many jump shots the free throw discrepency wouldn't have been so big. I personally hate Michigan State with a passion, but I've always respected their program and Tom Izzo, but to be that much of an ass at the press conference was uncalled for and not very Tom Izzo like. I wish the Sparties all the success in the world the rest of the season and I hope that Tre comes out of hiding and owns up to what happened last night. Peace out!

i might have to watch michigan games again. though i think they get into the perimeter game too much sometimes. either way they are looking sharp. they havent completely sold on me yet though. i gotta see them beat Illinois.

Even if they split and lose to wisky they deserve to be in the top 25. Come on lets be real here....

Ager for threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee CLANK!!!!! LOL

Even if they split and lose to wisky they deserve to be in the top 25. Come on lets be real here....

Ager for threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee CLANK!!!!! LOL

Deserves got nothing to do with it, hardly ever does. All depends on how things shake out this weekend.

"Harris takes a terrible shot! TWEEEEEET!!!!! FOUL!!!!! Good thing he was bailed out by the official." [smilie=bullshit.gi: [smilie=antlers.gif]

Ok lets have some fun then.


"Davis falls down scared from his own shadown...TWEEEEEETTT foul on Brown...good thing he was bailed out by the offical."


Art

Even if they split and lose to wisky they deserve to be in the top 25. Come on lets be real here....

Ager for threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee CLANK!!!!! LOL

Deserves got nothing to do with it, hardly ever does. All depends on how things shake out this weekend.

"Harris takes a terrible shot! TWEEEEEET!!!!! FOUL!!!!! Good thing he was bailed out by the official." [smilie=bullshit.gi: [smilie=antlers.gif]

I am honestly sick and tired off all this fucking bitching. Talking to Valenti last night on the phone was nothing but a whiney bitch fest. SHIT HAPPENS dont say that the refs did not give you a chance to win! How about a 5 minute scoring drought? How about your fucking superstars CHOKING in the second half.

MSU held Harris to a shit game, Abram did not play, Sims looked like shit again, Jaret Smith looked like his head was spinning while he was on the court, half the fans in the stands were MSU fans and you STILL couldnt pull out the victory.

Yet all I get to hear is a fucking crying bitch fest. ya know what...I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ONE FUCKING WORD COME FOOTBALL SEASON ABOUT THE ARROGANT WHINEY BITCHING MICHIGAN FOOTBALL FAN because you fucking Spartans are in the same boat with us....AND ONE MORE THING...Stop with the fucking WAIT UNTIL BASKETBALL SEASON...BECAUSE BASKETBALL SEASON IS HERE AND YOU FUCKING LOST!!!! [smilie=yourock.gif]

That is what the fuck Im talking about MUHME. Suck on that one Spartan bitches!!!

AND ANOTHER THING THAT IS DRIVING ME FUCKING NUTTY...

People bitching about foul trouble...

Davis - 29 minutes
Neitzel - 31 minutes
Brown - 35 minutes
Ager - 37 minutes

Nobody fouled out

Michigan had two fucking people that played 30+ minutes AND ONE OF THEM SHOT 1-12 FROM THE FIELD!!!!!

QUIT YOUR FUCKING BITCHING YOU LOST!

43 BENCH MINUTES msu
54 BENCH MINUTES um

17 BENCH POINTS um
7 BENCH POINTS msu

MSU 60% from the ft line...hit your free throws it would have been a different story lol

^minutes have nothing to do with it though. I don't know whether the calls were bad or not, but if you have 4 fouls you have to play passive. You can stay on the floor by not being aggressive, so minutes do not corilate to bad/good foul calls.

Michigan was more aggressive than MSU, and outplayed them on defense. Perhaps if MSU wasn't in foul trouble, they would have played as aggressive. I don't know. But those fouls were DEFINATELY a factor. Whether or not they were fair calls is for you to debate. I didn't see much of the game, so I won't debate the calls themselves.

Jesus Muhme. I would have thought you spent your wad last night going after Valenti. Notice I gave ya a wink there with my antlers on. You know I've given Blue credit for the W. Fun to push your buttons though. You know normally I would never bitch about officiating. [smilie=angel.gif]

I think the score would've been about the same with AbramS. He would've done about what Coleman did. 10 points, couple steals, solid D. Kudos to Coleman again.

Jesus Muhme. I would have thought you spent your wad last night going after Valenti. Notice I gave ya a wink there with my antlers on. You know I've given Blue credit for the W. Fun to push your buttons though. You know normally I would never bitch about officiating. [smilie=angel.gif]

I think the score would've been about the same with AbramS. He would've done about what Coleman did. 10 points, couple steals, solid D. Kudos to Coleman again.

Yeah I know...you are not fun to mess with because you actually are objective. lol...I have to get back to the inferno and stir some more shit up...lol....

Jesus Muhme. I would have thought you spent your wad last night going after Valenti. Notice I gave ya a wink there with my antlers on. You know I've given Blue credit for the W. Fun to push your buttons though. You know normally I would never bitch about officiating. [smilie=angel.gif]

I think the score would've been about the same with AbramS. He would've done about what Coleman did. 10 points, couple steals, solid D. Kudos to Coleman again.

Yeah I know...you are not fun to mess with because you actually are objective. lol...I have to get back to the inferno and stir some more shit up...lol....

I wouldn't call myself very objective. However I do know when it's time to sit down and stop waving my arms. I've fought every MSU / Michgan battle I can think of and the "blaming the refs" war is a loser. Plus how can I complain when MSU basketball comes up a bit short. A loss here and there gives Izzo fuel for that fire. Give me the big picture every time. [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

Just to correct one thing, didn't Neitzel foul out? Sure, it was at the very end, but I thought he did. Could be wrong, doesn't make a difference. The win is a win. I'm sure Spartan nation thinks Horton was paid to play at M now, because they want to erase this game from the record books.

I just want to give some props to Moodini for basically calling it.


My offical prediction. MSU gets out to an 8 or 10 point lead and Michigan rallies back in the second half for a 3 point win. Horton carries the Wolverines

I also want to say that I think Tre has taken over the douche label wit this little gem of his.




You'll find me here in the morning Moodini. I just hope you come back here to the D to get yours

Glad you could stop by this morning Tre. At least stop in even it is to whine about the refs.

Never want to hear trash talking from you again. At least Steve and Spartynick had the cajones to show up last night and today.

If MSU is elite, what does that make UM. If MSU is ranked ahead of UM in the next poll, is that fair like with IU being ranked higher.


Art

That was a brutally refereed game, even by Big Ten standards.

And don't even give me that shit about the more aggressive team getting the benefit of the doubt with calls because MSU was without a doubt the more aggressive team in the first half and they had 9 more fouls called on them.

Fouls ending up 30 something to 10. That is funny like a dead kitten is funny.

And Brent Petway is a idiot of a thug and if his IQ was anything higher than his shoe size I'd think even less of him. But since for the most part, he knows not what he does...you have to pity his actions more than you dislike his actions.

And the whining Spartan fans have started to come out of the wood work.

Please keep it coming.

The only redeeming quality about you jack is that pick you got....I love titties..:)


Art

43 BENCH MINUTES msu
54 BENCH MINUTES um

17 BENCH POINTS um
7 BENCH POINTS msu

MSU 60% from the ft line...hit your free throws it would have been a different story lol

MSU had 10 free throw attempts, UoM 34.

MSU had 2 misses by Delco Rowley, UoM had none. You have no one near as bad at FT's as him.

So out of realistic attempts MSU missed 2 FT's, not bad.


I think that MSU was very disadvantaged by the refs, but can't be excused. We stopped the fast break, started doing the UoM half court, and forgot how to play D. We never had an inside guy, everyone was floating outside.

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Newsflash: Paul Davis is soft

People really think he's going to be a good NBA player?

OMG Glenn, you did not just call the best big man in college B-Ball soft.

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Newsflash: Paul Davis is soft

People really think he's going to be a good NBA player?

Guess you didn't watch the NCAA Tournament last year.

Why don't you ask Tyler Coppenrath, Sean May, Shelden Williams, Alex Laughton and Randolph Morris just how soft Paul Davis is when he was dropping 15 and 10 on them game after game in the Dance last year.

Or is a player's toughness only determined on some obscure Wednesday in January? :))

Fact is, it's a little on the hard side for a player to play "tough" when he's riddled with foul trouble 5 minutes into the ballgame. But yeah you know what you're talking about. [smilie=alpaca.gif]

Newsflash: Paul Davis is soft

People really think he's going to be a good NBA player?

Paul Davis could be the next Brad Miller. Or he could be the next Austin Croshere (minus the range).

MSU 60% from the ft line...hit your free throws it would have been a different story lol

Too bad MSU's good free throw shooters were all on the bench in foul trouble. lol [smilie=antlers.gif]

Newsflash: Paul Davis is soft

People really think he's going to be a good NBA player?

Paul Davis could be the next Brad Miller. Or he could be the next Austin Croshere (minus the range).

Actually, PD has decent range. He CAN hit the three, not that he ever takes shots out there [smilie=annoyed.gif]

I guess Ill post my comments on the game now that it has finally sunk in.

All in all, you cant blame the refs. There were missed calls on both sides all game long. MSU lost this game at halftime. They lost the killer instinct and agressiveness that got them the lead in the first half.

Until MSU can prove that it can CONSISTENTLY SCORE through the entire game and not have stupid 4-6 minutes lapses with no baskets, this team will underachieve.

Petway is a punk, plain and simple. That was pretty harsh, even for Big T1e1n standards.

On a side note, is there a better conference for basketball right now? Any team (except PSU and Northwestern) can win any night. I fucking love it@!

Thanks to D's and others who admit what happened actually happened. The rest are being the same whiny little bitches they accuse us of being. How does it feel?

That was a brutally refereed game, even by Big Ten standards.

And don't even give me that shit about the more aggressive team getting the benefit of the doubt with calls because MSU was without a doubt the more aggressive team in the first half and they had 9 more fouls called on them.

Fouls ending up 30 something to 10. That is funny like a dead kitten is funny.

And Brent Petway is a idiot of a thug and if his IQ was anything higher than his shoe size I'd think even less of him. But since for the most part, he knows not what he does...you have to pity his actions more than you dislike his actions.

I actually find dead cats to be hilarious. I hate cats.

You'll find me here in the morning Moodini. [smilie=goodnews.gi: I just hope you come back here to the D to get yours. [smilie=fryingpan.g:

OK Tre, I was here and I didn't find you. 0 posts today? Has someone gone into hiding?

Ding dong......Tre and the Sparties are dead. [smilie=death.gif]

OK Tre, I was here and I didn't find you. 0 posts today? Has someone gone into hiding?

Ding dong......Tre and the Sparties are dead. [smilie=death.gif]

Say what you will about Tre but leave the Spartans out of it. 1 loss doesn't equal death unless it's in the NCAA tournament. However, I wouldn't expect a Wolverine to know anything about that. [smilie=applause.gi:

Thanks to D's and others who admit what happened actually happened. The rest are being the same whiny little bitches they accuse us of being. How does it feel?

I just find it amusing that I have enough guts to realize what happened where as U of M fans will ALWAYS come up with excuses. Just take a look at your AV Jethro to see what Im talking about.

Second, deep down, I know we are the better team. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.

Thanks to D's and others who admit what happened actually happened. The rest are being the same whiny little bitches they accuse us of being. How does it feel?

I just find it amusing that I have enough guts to realize what happened where as U of M fans will ALWAYS come up with excuses. Just take a look at your AV Jethro to see what Im talking about.

Second, deep down, I know we are the better team. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.

D's, I was going to give you props about your summary of the game, but defnitely not now after that random crap. [smilie=thumbsdown.:

WTF is Tre?

Say what you will about Tre but leave the Spartans out of it. 1 loss doesn't equal death unless it's in the NCAA tournament. However, I wouldn't expect a Wolverine to know anything about that. [smilie=applause.gi:

YEA...WELL WAIT TILL FOOTBALL SEASON! LMAO

Now thats 1-3 on the road on the big ten. We need to play better on the road.

I am honestly sick and tired off all this fucking bitching. Talking to Valenti last night on the phone was nothing but a whiney bitch fest. SHIT HAPPENS dont say that the refs did not give you a chance to win! How about a 5 minute scoring drought? How about your fucking superstars CHOKING in the second half.

MSU held Harris to a shit game, Abram did not play, Sims looked like shit again, Jaret Smith looked like his head was spinning while he was on the court, half the fans in the stands were MSU fans and you STILL couldnt pull out the victory.

Yet all I get to hear is a fucking crying bitch fest. ya know what...I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ONE FUCKING WORD COME FOOTBALL SEASON ABOUT THE ARROGANT WHINEY BITCHING MICHIGAN FOOTBALL FAN because you fucking Spartans are in the same boat with us....AND ONE MORE THING...Stop with the fucking WAIT UNTIL BASKETBALL SEASON...BECAUSE BASKETBALL SEASON IS HERE AND YOU FUCKING LOST!!!! [smilie=yourock.gif]
[smilie=applause.gi: Good shit Muhme. That's what I'm talking about! I feel the exact same way.



I just want to give some props to Moodini for basically calling it.


My offical prediction. MSU gets out to an 8 or 10 point lead and Michigan rallies back in the second half for a 3 point win. Horton carries the Wolverines

I also want to say that I think Tre has taken over the douche label wit this little gem of his.




You'll find me here in the morning Moodini. I just hope you come back here to the D to get yours

Glad you could stop by this morning Tre. At least stop in even it is to whine about the refs.

Never want to hear trash talking from you again. At least Steve and Spartynick had the cajones to show up last night and today.

If MSU is elite, what does that make UM. If MSU is ranked ahead of UM in the next poll, is that fair like with IU being ranked higher.


Art
Thanks for the dap Art. [smilie=coolio.gif] As the game unfolded, I was like, WOW, it's really going to happen. But my prediction was off by 2 points. I said it would be 72-69 Michigan. I guess I gave the Spartans more credit than they deserved. [smilie=wink.gif]

Also, Tre better have a great reason for not showing up today. After all of his talk over the past years, calling Michigan's program a joke, saying Amaker is a horrible coach, and telling me I better be here in the morning after the game....and then not showing is weak. [smilie=escape.gif] I give D's, Jack, Steve, SpartyNick and all the other Sparties props for at least showing up to discuss.

ya know what...I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ONE FUCKING WORD COME FOOTBALL SEASON ABOUT THE ARROGANT WHINEY BITCHING MICHIGAN FOOTBALL FAN because you fucking Spartans are in the same boat with us....AND ONE MORE THING...Stop with the fucking WAIT UNTIL BASKETBALL SEASON...BECAUSE BASKETBALL SEASON IS HERE AND YOU FUCKING LOST!!!!

One big difference here though MUHME, when Michigan football fans bitch about unfair treatment by the refs or whatever other outside force, the rest of the Big Ten mocks said Michigan fans.

But the rest of the Big Ten was nodding in agreement with Michigan State fans about the unfair treatment in the game last night. That alone should tell you something.

Here are a few quotes from the Illini board about the officiating last night and keep in mind that Illinois benefited big time from MSU losing that game.


"Just checked CBSportsline for standard referree incompetence. They indicate 13-4 fouls in favor of the home team. Regardless, MSU with the lead."

"The refs are calling a bunch of super touch fouls on MSU's big men (though not calling it the same way on the other side). Davis has 3 fouls (trannon and gray both have 2) and has been on the bench for a lot of the half.
Refs are keeping UM in it"

"23 fouls called on MSU, 9 on UM. Free Throws 26-6 in favor of UM. That's not even fair. Refs have handed it to UM"

"scUM is shooting 40% and is leading by 4 over a MSU squad shooting 51%. Lots of FTs for scUM though."

"God damn, that's a lot of free throws! Are these ACC refs taking care of Coach K's boy tonight??? My God! Tell me Izzo's gotten a T. There's no way he hasn't gotten ringed up for one!"

"Pathetic officiating...."

"Officials have done all they can to give Michigan this game, it's quite hilarious to watch. "

" Izzo just started laughing with about 10 minutes left. Nothing more he could do."

"I mean, there has to be some sort of BT conspiracy to get as many teams in as possible.

Winning on the road in the Big Ten is turning out like one of those "No Freaking Way" games for Nintendo where the game will not let you win."

"I hope those *******s in Ann Arbor don't think they actually deserved that win. I mean, Jesus Christ, that's a ****load of free throws!"

"That's not gonna keep me from saying that Michigan State didn't get screwed."

"It's certainly a game that was handed to Michigan on the foul line, nevertheless."

"Winning on the road in the Big Ten is next to impossible. It has become a joke. I'm surprised the Big 10 hasn't done anything about it. I guess it's all about keeping the home fans / paying customers happy!"

"Izzo has never complains about the refs in postgame....and Ive never blamed a game on the refs...until now. Un****ing believeable. Its hard to win on the road when 4 of your starters all have 4 fouls with 10 minutes remaining. Izzo started his post game talk being the typical Izzo, blaming himself and his teams horrid performance. He at first slid on the comment about the refs, but it was clear that enough was enough. He finally broke down and said he had never seen a ref go off with so many calls as he saw in the game today. MSU is CLEARLY the better team."


"I'm not big on complaining on refs --it's pointless, and a lot of the missed calls cancel out, but I have to admit I was mystified at the calls, especially with the game on the line. MSU had an amazing number of calls against them. I'm beginning to think bigten officiating might really be as bad as people here complain it is."

"From the 15:12 mark of the 2nd half, to the 4:50 mark, UM had ONE foul called on them...over that time MSU had NINE fouls, thats a foul a minute."

"The big ten road officiating is crooked... PERIOD. People who say that's whining or whatever are just hiding their head in the ground like an ostrich.
It's not just a problem, it's a MAJOR problem."


No but it's just Spartans fans complaining about the officiating in the game last night. [smilie=anxious.gif]

Right.

Yeah because only UM fans thought the refs in the bowl games were shitty. I mean we didnt have like a ton of guys from other sites come and say how bad it was after that game.

Keep up the whining. Makes me feel good. MSU got either transition baskets or settled for jump shots. You guys didnt drive all night. keep up the blaming on the refs for the 6 minutes of not putting the rock in the whole.

I LOVE MSU PEOPLE WHINING ABOUT THE REFS!!!!!!!!!!


HAHA one guy said he nor Izzo ever blamed the refs....it just takes one time to get hooked.

Art

I forgot no one IN THE NATION said the whole ND game was a joke! Come on man...

...and do me a favor and I called valenti on this (jack, I think you are the same one from SI board, and I assume that is where you got the illini stuff) take all the illini stuff not just some of it. Their fans were calling MSU a joke as well!

ya know what...I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ONE FUCKING WORD COME FOOTBALL SEASON ABOUT THE ARROGANT WHINEY BITCHING MICHIGAN FOOTBALL FAN because you fucking Spartans are in the same boat with us....AND ONE MORE THING...Stop with the fucking WAIT UNTIL BASKETBALL SEASON...BECAUSE BASKETBALL SEASON IS HERE AND YOU FUCKING LOST!!!!

One big difference here though MUHME, when Michigan football fans bitch about unfair treatment by the refs or whatever other outside force, the rest of the Big Ten mocks said Michigan fans.

But the rest of the Big Ten was nodding in agreement with Michigan State fans about the unfair treatment in the game last night. That alone should tell you something.

Here are a few quotes from the Illini board about the officiating last night and keep in mind that Illinois benefited big time from MSU losing that game.


"Just checked CBSportsline for standard referree incompetence. They indicate 13-4 fouls in favor of the home team. Regardless, MSU with the lead."

"The refs are calling a bunch of super touch fouls on MSU's big men (though not calling it the same way on the other side). Davis has 3 fouls (trannon and gray both have 2) and has been on the bench for a lot of the half.
Refs are keeping UM in it"

"23 fouls called on MSU, 9 on UM. Free Throws 26-6 in favor of UM. That's not even fair. Refs have handed it to UM"

"scUM is shooting 40% and is leading by 4 over a MSU squad shooting 51%. Lots of FTs for scUM though."

"God damn, that's a lot of free throws! Are these ACC refs taking care of Coach K's boy tonight??? My God! Tell me Izzo's gotten a T. There's no way he hasn't gotten ringed up for one!"

"Pathetic officiating...."

"Officials have done all they can to give Michigan this game, it's quite hilarious to watch. "

" Izzo just started laughing with about 10 minutes left. Nothing more he could do."

"I mean, there has to be some sort of BT conspiracy to get as many teams in as possible.

Winning on the road in the Big Ten is turning out like one of those "No Freaking Way" games for Nintendo where the game will not let you win."

"I hope those *******s in Ann Arbor don't think they actually deserved that win. I mean, Jesus Christ, that's a ****load of free throws!"

"That's not gonna keep me from saying that Michigan State didn't get screwed."

"It's certainly a game that was handed to Michigan on the foul line, nevertheless."

"Winning on the road in the Big Ten is next to impossible. It has become a joke. I'm surprised the Big 10 hasn't done anything about it. I guess it's all about keeping the home fans / paying customers happy!"

"Izzo has never complains about the refs in postgame....and Ive never blamed a game on the refs...until now. Un****ing believeable. Its hard to win on the road when 4 of your starters all have 4 fouls with 10 minutes remaining. Izzo started his post game talk being the typical Izzo, blaming himself and his teams horrid performance. He at first slid on the comment about the refs, but it was clear that enough was enough. He finally broke down and said he had never seen a ref go off with so many calls as he saw in the game today. MSU is CLEARLY the better team."


"I'm not big on complaining on refs --it's pointless, and a lot of the missed calls cancel out, but I have to admit I was mystified at the calls, especially with the game on the line. MSU had an amazing number of calls against them. I'm beginning to think bigten officiating might really be as bad as people here complain it is."

"From the 15:12 mark of the 2nd half, to the 4:50 mark, UM had ONE foul called on them...over that time MSU had NINE fouls, thats a foul a minute."

"The big ten road officiating is crooked... PERIOD. People who say that's whining or whatever are just hiding their head in the ground like an ostrich.
It's not just a problem, it's a MAJOR problem."


No but it's just Spartans fans complaining about the officiating in the game last night. [smilie=anxious.gif]

Right.

Are you saying that fans of other teams didn't agree that Michigan got screwed in that Bowl game?

Anyone who saw that game realized that.

Say what you will about Tre but leave the Spartans out of it. 1 loss doesn't equal death unless it's in the NCAA tournament. However, I wouldn't expect a Wolverine to know anything about that. [smilie=applause.gi:

YEA...WELL WAIT TILL FOOTBALL SEASON! LMAO

Muhme we haven't been conversing for long but I would hope you know me well enough not to peg me as a "wait till _____ season" kind of guy. You take what each game gives you and move on, with as much class as you can muster.

nick that was a joke...I did enjoy your comment at the end of your post, lol.

nick that was a joke...I did enjoy your comment at the end of your post, lol.

I apologize. Bitter feelings linger, probably till Saturday. I've had to listen to a lot of shit today. [smilie=angryfire.g:

Are you saying that fans of other teams didn't agree that Michigan got screwed in that Bowl game?

Anyone who saw that game realized that.

No, you've understood me perfectly. When the rest of the big Ten mocks your bitching, you're probably making a fool of yourself and barking up a non-existent tree.

But when everyone agrees with your complaints, even those who may benefit from your misfortune...it means you probably have a pretty valid complaint.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=260030084

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=260110127


Man...I guess FT and Foul disparity are the only reason teams lose. lol

No, you've understood me perfectly. When the rest of the big Ten mocks your bitching, you're probably making a fool of yourself and barking up a non-existent tree.

But when everyone agrees with your complaints, even those who may benefit from your misfortune...it means you probably have a pretty valid complaint.

You're stupid. Nothing more needs to be said.


Art

why do you have to sign ART after your posts? We know it is you posting.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=260030084

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=260110127


Man...I guess FT and Foul disparity are the only reason teams lose. lol

That's all fine and great MUHME. If the free throw attempts margin was just 13 like it was when Indiana came to Breslin, MSU would've won in Ann Arbor a few days ago. Great example.

In the game on Wednesday, MSU had 6 more made field goals, 4 more made three point shots and shot a better percentage from -both- and they lost the game. lol. Since you're in a research mode, try finding another game where THAT happened....and while you're at it, try finding one other game in the nation this year, where a team had five players with four or more fouls called on them.

Did the refs cost Michigan the game against Nebraska? No. The fact that Michigan let a vastly inferior Nebraska team hang around instead of showing the killer instinct cost them the game.

Did the refs cost Michigan State the game against Michigan? No. The fact that MSU let a supposed vastly inferior Michigan team hang around instead of showing the killer instinct cost them the game.



PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Good post.


Art

No, you've understood me perfectly. When the rest of the big Ten mocks your bitching, you're probably making a fool of yourself and barking up a non-existent tree.

But when everyone agrees with your complaints, even those who may benefit from your misfortune...it means you probably have a pretty valid complaint.

You're stupid. Nothing more needs to be said.


Art

The thought and effort that was put into this post blows my mind. [smilie=rolleyes.gi:

Did the refs cost Michigan the game against Nebraska? No. The fact that Michigan let a vastly inferior Nebraska team hang around instead of showing the killer instinct cost them the game.

Did the refs cost Michigan State the game against Michigan? No. The fact that MSU let a supposed vastly inferior Michigan team hang around instead of showing the killer instinct cost them the game.



PLAIN AND SIMPLE.


[smilie=applause.gi: , nothing more needs to be said. Although I wouldn't call both teams 'Vastly inferior"

I did not need to put much thought into a post that it ws a response to. It was a stupid post.


Art

I did not need to put much thought into a post that it ws a response to. It was a stupid post.


Art

No offense Art but you've never put a great deal of thought into the majority of your posts. Perhaps a change in your posting style would be a pleasant change of pace because as of now a chipmunk could take over your posting duties and the rest of us would remain clueless.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you aren't a Michigan student.

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I did not need to put much thought into a post that it ws a response to. It was a stupid post.


Art

No offense Art but you've never put a great deal of thought into the majority of your posts. Perhaps a change in your posting style would be a pleasant change of pace because as of now a chipmunk could take over your posting duties and the rest of us would remain clueless.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you aren't a Michigan student.

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Fucking hilarious, that was a classic [smilie=applause.gi:

Sorry but you dont get to see most of my posts. They are someplace where only cool kids get to hang out.

I have to dumb down my posts for people who worship lesser schools.

I am going to guess with all the stupidity that comes out of you, that you are a MSU student?

Art

Jethro your freaking avatar is a reflection of your whining, yet you'll complain about Spartans whining. What a joke.


"There's only one thing worse than winning the N.I.T, and that's being proud of it."
-Jim Rome

Hilarious homie, absolutely hilarious!

I complain about hypocracy dog, since that's all I ever hear from State. Look, you're fucking elite as long as Michigan football is too - they're the same. You can bitch about calls as long as I never fucking hear you call Michigan whiners. Just be consistent. Of course I complain about the calls. I'm justified. But for you, the one who has made the biggest deal ever about it, to bring that absolute bull in here is complete hypocracy and the board has called you on it.

Hey, hey! Look who's back. [smilie=applause.gi: It's Tre! Welcome back buddy! [smilie=welcome.gif] 3 posts in 6 days and now he's back with a vengeance. Maybe he thinks everyone forgot about his bold statements and now he can show is face again! [smilie=wiseguy.gif]


I complain about hypocracy dog, since that's all I ever hear from State. Look, you're fucking elite as long as Michigan football is too - they're the same. You can bitch about calls as long as I never fucking hear you call Michigan whiners. Just be consistent. Of course I complain about the calls. I'm justified. But for you, the one who has made the biggest deal ever about it, to bring that absolute bull in here is complete hypocracy and the board has called you on it.

Cosigned. I totally agree.

Jethro your freaking avatar is a reflection of your whining, yet you'll complain about Spartans whining. What a joke.


"There's only one thing worse than winning the N.I.T, and that's being proud of it."
-Jim Rome

Hilarious homie, absolutely hilarious!

Did you just say the word "homie"?!?!

Is this compton?

I say "homie" all the time.

I complain about hypocracy dog, since that's all I ever hear from State. Look, you're fucking elite as long as Michigan football is too - they're the same. You can bitch about calls as long as I never fucking hear you call Michigan whiners. Just be consistent. Of course I complain about the calls. I'm justified. But for you, the one who has made the biggest deal ever about it, to bring that absolute bull in here is complete hypocracy and the board has called you on it.

The difference is this. When Michigan State loses 99% of the time, I blame them. When Michigan loses 99% of the time, you blame someone or something else.

Let me twist it, after all your whining and crying in the past, how can you complain about me whining when I've done so ONCE? I don't blame you for throwing the "don't whine" Tre slogan back at me. But, the difference is, I don't whine every single time my team loses and MSU fans arent' known around the BT for being crybabies like UM fans are.

Sorry but PSU is the team known as the cry babies around the Big Ten. Get your facts straight.


Art

And where did you get this info from?

I wanna respond to Art's post in the "Let's end it" thread that has since been locked.

Art, you posted that Tre should take a page out of my book and have some class. Essentially you were asking him to be more gracious in defeat. In this case I would implore you to take your own advice concerning victory. While berating him you use phrases such as "Straight up Motherfucking Pussy" and you instruct him to "Get his Balls back from his girlfriend." I fail to see the class in these comments, especially speaking towards his girlfriend (personal matter) of whom you know nothing about.

Whatever statements or excuses are made it seems unproductive and childish as a whole to simply resort to name-calling. I am curious, were you happier that Michigan won or that the win provided the chance to poke fun at Tre. I would hope it was the former, but since you've become so upset with not being able to bash on Tre after the game I wonder if it was the latter.

*peeks into NCAA forum for the first time*






*runs away scared*

I wanna respond to Art's post in the "Let's end it" thread that has since been locked.

Art, you posted that Tre should take a page out of my book and have some class. Essentially you were asking him to be more gracious in defeat. In this case I would implore you to take your own advice concerning victory. While berating him you use phrases such as "Straight up Motherfucking Pussy" and you instruct him to "Get his Balls back from his girlfriend." I fail to see the class in these comments, especially speaking towards his girlfriend (personal matter) of whom you know nothing about.

Whatever statements or excuses are made it seems unproductive and childish as a whole to simply resort to name-calling. I am curious, were you happier that Michigan won or that the win provided the chance to poke fun at Tre. I would hope it was the former, but since you've become so upset with not being able to bash on Tre after the game I wonder if it was the latter.

Thank you! The dude is getting all personal over posting on WTF. ridiculous. And that was after admitting I should have posted.

It's just a fun little rivalry. No need to get too heated.

It's just a fun little rivalry. No need to get too heated.

Tell me about it, its a warzone in here.

What?!!!! Did you call our forum a "warzone?" You muthafuckingpussyassmuthafuckingslutwhorecockbitch asshole! [smilie=angryfire.g: [smilie=angryfire.g: [smilie=angryfire.g: Don't ever call our forum a bad name you pussyassbitchmotherfucker! haha [smilie=arrgh.jpg] [smilie=laugh2.gif]

What?!!!! Did you call our forum a "warzone?" You muthafuckingpussyassmuthafuckingslutwhorecockbitch asshole! [smilie=angryfire.g: [smilie=angryfire.g: [smilie=angryfire.g: Don't ever call our forum a bad name you pussyassbitchmotherfucker! haha [smilie=arrgh.jpg] [smilie=laugh2.gif]

This guy is an elementary teacher. The future is in his hands. [smilie=help.gif]


hahahaha, j/k [smilie=hahaha.gif]

haha, you'll have to check page 9 to know why i posted that

Yeah. I didn't see the pic either.

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/250/mer5091mroehxph9xi.jpg


I know I'm a week late, but GOOD LORD! [smilie=a.gif] [smilie=alpacacall.: [smilie=artist.gif]

You couldn't draw better cleavage with a protractor. [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

Three weeks later I think we can demote this thread from being a "sticky" at the top of the forum.

Three weeks later I think we can demote this thread from being a "sticky" at the top of the forum.

Leave it up and in ten days reverse the names.

I'm pretty sure the rematch will have enough conversation of it's own that it can be it's own new thread. We wouldn't want your blowout thread to be tainted with FoulFest 06 lyrics.

I'm pretty sure the rematch will have enough conversation of it's own that it can be it's own new thread. We wouldn't want your blowout thread to be tainted with FoulFest 06 lyrics.

This is the third Michigan fan here on WTF to hand MSU a win in the next MSU/UM battle. I don't get it. I thought you guys were hyped about your squad and the possibilities? It sounds like one of those bail out type of situations. Kindof like in football this year when all the Wolverines said that State was going to kill them. You predict a blowout for the other team, so if it happens you can say, "What's the big deal, I said it would happen." And if it doesn't happen, you can run your mouths. Being objective and giving an honest prediction is one thing.

Predicting your team will get blown out when you were talking trash just weeks ago is LAME. [smilie=cheer.gif]

OOOOOOH BOY! I just found this on the Michigan/Nebraska thread.


DrTre11 wrote: Jethro, I just noticed your Avatar. That wouldn't be a form of Wolverine whining would it? C'mon now! I thought all my whining harassment would change you! :wink:

Jethro wrote:
Not whining, just reflecting upon the obvious. A foul is a foul. I spit the truth.

Jethro, care to give us a new take on the MSU-UM game. I hate to bring it up again, but after reading this, I'm sure you'll understand that I had to.

Jethro, care to give us a new take on the MSU-UM game. I hate to bring it up again, but after reading this, I'm sure you'll understand that I had to.

NO! Jesus this is the kind of shit that fucks everything up. MSU has 2 road games before Michigan comes to the Brez. If you want his take on anything ask about those. [smilie=angry.gif]

Jethro is my boy. Just some friendly harassment about wars from the past. Don't worry, Jethro and I keep it cool. I'm not posting to Art haha.

Here it comes Tre.

First of all, your av and sig have to go, they're just too damn big. Shrink them down or something.

Next, the blowout prediction is a sarcastic remark aimed at you for assuring everyone how much different it will be at the Brez.

Finally, I still stand by what I said. A foul is a foul, as it was every time one of your goons hacked one of mine. Hahahaha!

I'm in the process of trying to shrink them dog. Until then, just enjoy them. haha

Moodini wrote: Ding dong......Tre and the Sparties are dead.

You were saying Moodini? [smilie=applause.gi: [smilie=applause.gi: [smilie=applause.gi:

We laugh last. You should learn from the past. [smilie=hahaha.gif]

Moodini wrote: Ding dong......Tre and the Sparties are dead.

You were saying Moodini? [smilie=applause.gi: [smilie=applause.gi: [smilie=applause.gi:

We laugh last. You should learn from the past. [smilie=hahaha.gif]

I wasn't talking about the season. I meant you were quiet and hiding and the Spartans had just lost to Michigan.