http://www.nba.com/wizards/news/atkins_060118.html


Wizards, Atkins Agree to Contract Buyout

January 18, 2006

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Washington Wizards President of Basketball Operations Ernie Grunfeld announced today that the Washington Wizards and guard Chucky Atkins have agreed to a buyout of Atkins’ contract.

“Chucky is a veteran player who is in the last year of his contract," said Grunfeld. "He has been a real professional and this will allow him an opportunity to look for a situation that will give him the playing time that he desires."

In 28 games with the Wizards this season, Atkins averaged 6.7 points and 2.5 assists in 19.7 minutes per game.

Atkins was acquired by the Wizards along with Caron Butler from the Los Angeles Lakers in exchange for Kwame Brown and Laron Profit on August 2, 2005.

Since we burned up all of our MLE, all we can do is use the vet's minimum to pick him up right?


thatisifwewantto

This is surprising - I mean they couldn't even trade him?? It might have been hard to get a similar expiring deal in return, but Atlanta was looking for a point guard and had cap room to burn. Memphis didn't want the guy???

I don't think the Pistons will have any interest - we just don't have any need for Chucky.

Joe could sign Atkins and then deal Arroyo to Memphis for Battier


ifhewantedto

It would take more than Arroyo to get Battier. 35-5 teams probably shouldn't be making moves anyways...

It would take more than Arroyo to get Battier.

Probably, but Arroyo's contract is shorter in length.

Just sayin'

Arroyo and a pick?

Sorry, I just really want Battier.

Darko?

It would take more than Arroyo to get Battier.

Probably, but Arroyo's contract is shorter in length.

Just sayin'

Arroyo and a pick?

Sorry, I just really want Battier.

Arroyo, Milicic for Battier and scrub cap fodder - but then what does that say about Delfino and Evans. Sometimes you just gotta stay with the girl that you brought to the dance - for better or worse.

Can't we just sucker Atlanta into swapping Delk for Arroyo and then sign Chucky?

Also I don't believe Atkins would want to come here, since he was bitching about playing time in Washinton and seems to want playing time to earn his next contract...

We need Chucky and he would definately come here for the ring.

The Pistons need Chucky like they need stomach cancer. He sucks.

He's a better fit for this team than Arroyo.

I disagree.

As bad a defender Arroyo is, Chucky is 10 times worse. Does the name Kenny Anderson ring a bell?

Just say no to Chucky.

And Baron Davis rips up Chauncey every time we meet, are we going to dump him too?

Yes. We should dump Chauncey because he struggles against Baron Davis.

:roll:

I think I'd get more out of a brick wall than you.

Your comparison doesn't make any sense. Chucky struggled defending everybody. Billups struggles with one of the best point guards in the NBA.

IMO if I were Joe I would give Chucky a call after he clears waivers( I know there is debate if you need to clear waivers if bought out so humor me on that issue).

I would ask Chucky if he could accept being a 3rd PG once LH is back. I would then ask him to be patient if he wants to come back, while I found a deal to make room for him.

I would then call teams who need PG's and try to make a deal for a pick and a TE for Arroyo. That may involve finding a 3rd team however. Then I would sgn Chucky.

This way come the TD we would have a TE, a pick and possibly Darko to use in a trade if we needed to upgrade a bench position. If not we save 8 million over the next 2 years and get back a 1st for the draft.

I know, I keep beating this issue to death but Atkins would be that change of pace player we could use.

Bottomline is whether it is Atkins or Arroyo they both will end up being the 3rd PG. Barring injury neither guys' lack of defensive skills will mater since they won't be used in thos situations.

Right now whether it is Arroyo or LH I wouldn't trust them in extended PT situations if we need points.

If you are looking for a pick and a TE in return for Arroyo you might want to showcase him against Atlanta tonight. Obviously it would have to be a second rounder and the TE...

Dumars will only make moves he thinks will improve the team for this season; the here and now. He'll worry about moving players due to payroll issues in the off-season.

I still believe Akins will sign with a team that can give him to most PT(probably Memphis) - he's playing for his next contract.

Did anyone else know we have 1.2 million in TE's?

I knew we had 400k TE which expires on Jan 21st, but I didn't realize we got 800k from Minny in the Dupree deal.

That extra 800k could really help in a deal if Joe wants to make one.

i will see the potholes of these streets fill up with atkins blood if he tries to make his way here. odd that the wiz's defense improved when they cut his minutes back down
i dont know this for sure i just want chucky atkins to never play for us

I would absolutely take Chucky back on this team. however, as someone said, he's probably looking for playing time to add value to his next contract. I bet he ends up in Atlanta or Memphis.

fuck chucky atkins. im enjoying the pistons. i dont hate anyone on the team(not to say i love everyone, but i dont hate anyone). i dont want one of my all time least favorite pieces of inconsistent streaky shooting crackhead crusty lip no defense bootleg point guard dog shit coming back.

I don't get why Atkins is such a better option than Arroyo?

They both suck at defense.
They both can't run an offense.
They are both streaky shooter (Arroyo is actually shooting better this season than him. Their career averages are relatively same).

So what is it that makes Chuck Atkins so special?

I have no clue.


Atkins is the same as arroyo. Arroyo is a better passer when he wants to pass.

when joe traded chucky, joe didnt even tell chucky face to face. just let him find out threw the news.

he was pissed at the time, not sure how he feels now.

i honestly havent seen much of him since he left.

but i do recall him really playing well near the end as a backup. and i dont recall his defense being so ungodly bad.

and i dont see pt as being an issue.

playing 5 min/game in the finals is probably better than playing 20 min/game for an average team.

if we could make a big move with arroyo and pick up chucky, i'd do it. i wouldnt grab him just to grab him though.

what about darko+ arroyo to toronto for rose and a 1st? (not necessarilly this year's first).

when joe traded chucky, joe didnt even tell chucky face to face. just let him find out threw the news.

he was pissed at the time, not sure how he feels now.

i honestly havent seen much of him since he left.

but i do recall him really playing well near the end as a backup. and i dont recall his defense being so ungodly bad.

and i dont see pt as being an issue.

playing 5 min/game in the finals is probably better than playing 20 min/game for an average team. They are probably the front runner right now.

if we could make a big move with arroyo and pick up chucky, i'd do it. i wouldnt grab him just to grab him though.

what about darko+ arroyo to toronto for rose and a 1st? (not necessarilly this year's first).

He is playing for his last contract, so I would think that playing time is a big deal for him.

Memphis makes a lot of sense for him. They need a PG and he is going to get plenty of playing time.

He could also end up in Indiana if they end up trading Arterst and one of their PGs.

LOL@this thread getting 20+ replies

Chucky sucks.

Quit begging for Joe to bring back former Piston guards who are fairly old(James, Chucky). Arroyo is better than both.

I don't get why Atkins is such a better option than Arroyo?

They both suck at defense.
They both can't run an offense.
They are both streaky shooter (Arroyo is actually shooting better this season than him. Their career averages are relatively same).

So what is it that makes Chuck Atkins so special?

More heart, and less money.

The difference is that Atkins is a far better 3 point shooter too. With Delfino and Evans being good slashers, Atkins would stretch the defense for them. As it stands now, Arroyo does all the dribbling and guys like Delfino, Dyess and Evans just have to wait for the ball instead of making plays. I don't think Atkins is any better than Arroyo, I just think he's a better fit. Arroyo belongs on an athletic running team like NJ is, and Atlanta could be.

Exactly. Even if both players shoot the same and defend the same. This change would mean more time with the ball in Delfino's and the rest of the bench players' hands and less in of Arroyo dribbling the clock away at the very least.

Chucky's headed to Memphis.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/61815.htm


The Knicks made an inquiry into PG Chucky Atkins, bought out by the Wizards yesterday. However, sources said he'll be signing with Memphis in a prearranged deal. Like the Knicks, Memphis was searching for a backup PG.

There goes the championship.



















not really at all

Washington wouldn't have cut him if he could have ended up on a Eastern rival.

Arroyo is a solid fit for us as long as he isn't on the floor with Ben Wallace. He isn't a shooter, but he can find the open man. Assist numbers are a tough way to judge a point guard on because it all depends on if the player he passed it to scores or not. Earlier in the season, Arroyo would be subbed in with McDyess and Dice couldn't buy a basket. Arroyo gets frustrated when his potential assists are not falling and feels he has to start shooting himself. However when the shots are falling, he actually becomes a better point guard.

And thats exactly what you want from a point guard. Not a guy who makes others better, but a guy who needs others to make him better ....

I don't think Chucky Atkins is a big enough upgrade to go through a whole mess of things (setting up another trade to free a roster spot or another trade to get Arroyo out of town). I'da been ok with a straight one to one Arroyo-for-Atkins trade, but not this.

its a moot point anyways i guess.

I disagree.

As bad a defender Arroyo is, Chucky is 10 times worse. Does the name Kenny Anderson ring a bell?

Just say no to Chucky.

NO ONE is worse than Arroyo. Ask Speedy Claxton, he'll tell you

I know, I keep beating this issue to death but Atkins would be that change of pace player we could use.

Bottomline is whether it is Atkins or Arroyo they both will end up being the 3rd PG. Barring injury neither guys' lack of defensive skills will mater since they won't be used in thos situations.

Right now whether it is Arroyo or LH I wouldn't trust them in extended PT situations if we need points.

Mark my words, LH is coming back in Dale Davis role- for the long haul. That said, he's not going to take over the #2 spot, but in crunch time (see playoffs) he may very well get the #2s minutes.

I'm all for bringing Chucky back...A vet that's played meaningful minutes on a playoff team in the playoffs- that's valuable. He can distribute and we all know he can light it up. One thing the bench has lacked for most of the season is scoring...I think Chucky can add that. As a possible scoring threat, perhaps he can bring to Delf and Evans what Chauncey does and Arroyo can't.

I don't get why Atkins is such a better option than Arroyo?

They both suck at defense.
They both can't run an offense.
They are both streaky shooter (Arroyo is actually shooting better this season than him. Their career averages are relatively same).

So what is it that makes Chuck Atkins so special?

More heart, and less money.

The difference is that Atkins is a far better 3 point shooter too. With Delfino and Evans being good slashers, Atkins would stretch the defense for them. As it stands now, Arroyo does all the dribbling and guys like Delfino, Dyess and Evans just have to wait for the ball instead of making plays. I don't think Atkins is any better than Arroyo, I just think he's a better fit. Arroyo belongs on an athletic running team like NJ is, and Atlanta could be.

well said.

Chucky's headed to Memphis.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/61815.htm


The Knicks made an inquiry into PG Chucky Atkins, bought out by the Wizards yesterday. However, sources said he'll be signing with Memphis in a prearranged deal. Like the Knicks, Memphis was searching for a backup PG.

I figured it was Memphis or Atlanta.

Good situation for him.

I disagree.

As bad a defender Arroyo is, Chucky is 10 times worse. Does the name Kenny Anderson ring a bell?

Just say no to Chucky.

NO ONE is worse than Arroyo. Ask Speedy Claxton, he'll tell you
he'sd tell you chucky based on the fun he had kicking his laker ass last year :D

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/21/AR2006012101146.html


According to a source close to Atkins, the veteran guard is closely weighing his options and could be waiting to see what moves are made by the Detroit Pistons with the idea of possibly signing there. Atkins spent four seasons with the Pistons and was popular in Detroit, as evidenced by the ovation he received when he made six three-pointers and scored 20 points in Washington's 120-114 double-overtime victory at Detroit on Nov. 25.

I knew Chucky would be interested in coming back but he wants Arroyo gone. Me too. BRING BACK CHUCKY!

If arroyo and Darko could be packaged for a back up center and a pick that would be fine with me. That would let chuchy come back. People knock chuckys defense, but with linsday comin back fuck it.

Arroyo has been playing decent lately so I would love to wait on it.

If that's the best package we can get for Darko, then go for it but Im sure we can get more

I'm against making any moves this season. To me, the difference between Arroyo and Atkins is negligible. In fact, the only reason I'd rather have Atkins is because Arroyo's contract runs for 2 more years. But that's not worth it, IMO, if it causes any potential chemistry issues.

How about this scenario:

We trade Darko and Arroyo for Cato and Orlando's unprotected first rounder in 2006.

Then we sign Atkins.

After the season both Atkins and Cato are off the books and we've got the Magic's pick to fill the back-up PG spot or grab another young big to develop.

If we don't draft a back-up PG we could always hope Acker is decent enough to handle the job next season.

Or we can use Delfino and Tay as the back-up PG and give more minutes to Delfino and Evans because of it.

It's all about having options and Joe has plenty of them right now.

Oh shit thats a good idea. I would love that

Apparently the PG's in the 2006 Draft aren't gonna be all that good.

Right now the Magic have the #7 pick and you can guarantee we'd find a capable swingman or big man at that spot.

Gibson would be decent, if we could get him.

This year's draft isnt too strong or deep

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If we did that, I'd want Darius Washington Jr. as I said in the past,
but he didn't end up coming straight out of HS. He's a fuckin baller.

Although it'd be nice to have Chucky on the team, I really don't think he's enough of an upgrade to pull the trigger on another deal just to free up space, unless the other deal was a great one.

man all you chucky lovers sicken me. if this man values his life he'll go to memphis damnit. [smilie=angryfire.g: [smilie=arnold.gif] [smilie=arnold.gif] [smilie=arnold.gif] [smilie=arnold.gif]

What scares me about this is that Chucky must have sent out feelers in Detroit to gauge interest and this means in the very least he wasn't told definitively that we were not interested.

i really don't know how i would feel about Chucky over Arroyo.

our bench seems to be playing well lately, including Arroyo.

i just don't see it as a definitive upgrade.

Wow.

What a bunch of braindead tards you guys are.

Chucky fucking Atkins.

Wow.

Wow.

We wouldnt have this problem if we would have signed Knight like I thought we should have. Knight>Arroyo>Shatkins.

We wouldnt have this problem if we would have signed Knight like I thought we should have. Knight>Arroyo>Shatkins.
what problem???? we're 31-5 ....shit i think some of ya'll are fantasizing about misery that doesnt exist. [smilie=arrgh.jpg]

Chuck blows. He's absolutely nothing besides a streaky shooter. He doesnt pass the ball well and is an absolute black hole on D (yes, more so than Arroyo).

Arroyo is making strides, Id like to see him remain. It seems many here have a short memory, Chucky is a bad pg.

i agree SD. i just dont get where people get this idea of chucky equaling or being better than arroyo. i think people are just liking everything from afar. i wouldnt let atkins shine my shoes. fuck him and everything he stands for.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/grizzlies/article/0,1426,MCA_475_4408168,00.html


Atkins interested in Pistons

By Ronald Tillery
January 23, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Free-agent point guard Chucky Atkins cleared waivers last Friday but whether he joins the Grizzlies isn't a scenario that is as cut and dry, according to a Washington Post report.

As of Sunday afternoon, the Griz were in a holding pattern. They were circling the land of free agency, waiting to see if they could land Atkins for help at point guard.

That's because a source told the newspaper where Atkins last played (the Washington Wizards agreed to buy out his contract and waive him) that Atkins is waiting to see if Detroit is an option.

The Grizzlies remain interested but Atkins can go anywhere he chooses now that no team has claimed him off waivers. It still is possible that the seven-year veteran signs with the Griz as soon as today.

Atkins' agent, Andy Miller, told The Commercial Appeal last Thursday that Memphis "is under serious consideration."

Still, Atkins apparently wants to wait to see if the Pistons would create room for him. He spent four seasons with the Pistons and was popular in Detroit, where he could join a championship-caliber team.

That's the difference between Detroit and Memphis.

But the Grizzlies can promise playing time (possibly a starting job), a sore spot for Atkins during his brief stay with Washington.

The Griz have attempted to shore up their backcourt since point guard Damon Stoudamire suffered a season-ending knee injury Dec. 30 at Portland.

Atkins immediately appeared on the Grizzlies' short list of replacements. The scenario appeared more feasible once the Wizards and Atkins agreed to a contract buyout last Wednesday.

Atkins could be added to the roster for the veteran's minimum salary based on his years of service instead of the $4.5 million he was due this season.

I love how those in favor of Chucky are the one's who "have short memories". I didn't want to dig up the stats for a debate about back-up pgs but I'm tired of the "Chucky was HORRIBLE! Don't you fools remember?!! Arroyo is so much better!" replies that have no support other than enthusiasm.


Chuck Atkins as a starter
Year Pts FG% 3% Ast eFG%
2001 12.0 .399 .357 4.1 .463
2002 12.1 .466 .411 3.3 .553

Chucky as a back-up
Year Pts FG% 3% Ast eFG%
2003 7.1 .361 .355 2.7 .454
2004 6.2 .374 .323 2.4 .464 (40 games)

Arroyo on the Pistons
Year Pts FG% 3% Ast eFG%
2005 5.4 .376 .083 3.2 .378 (40 games)
2006 3.8 .392 .500* 3.5 ? (38 games)
*He's shooting 50% from 3 with a total of 4 shots taken.

So like I said earlier, the differences between them are pretty small aside form style. So getting rid of Carlos' 4 mill a year and getting a guy who won't dominate the ball so much, can stretch the defense better with his 3s and is just as good, if not better, then Arroyo anyway makes sense to me.

I love how those in favor of Chucky are the one's who "have short memories". I didn't want to dig up the stats for a debate about back-up pgs but I'm tired of the "Chucky was HORRIBLE! Don't you fools remember?!! Arroyo is so much better!" replies that have no support other than enthusiasm.


Chuck Atkins as a starter
Year Pts FG% 3% Ast eFG%
2001 12.0 .399 .357 4.1 .463
2002 12.1 .466 .411 3.3 .553

Chucky as a back-up
Year Pts FG% 3% Ast eFG%
2003 7.1 .361 .355 2.7 .454
2004 6.2 .374 .323 2.4 .464 (40 games)

Arroyo on the Pistons
Year Pts FG% 3% Ast eFG%
2005 5.4 .376 .083 3.2 .378 (40 games)
2006 3.8 .392 .500* 3.5 ? (38 games)
*He's shooting 50% from 3 with a total of 4 shots taken.

So like I said earlier, the differences between them are pretty small aside form style. So getting rid of Carlos' 4 mill a year and getting a guy who won't dominate the ball so much, can stretch the defense better with his 3s and is just as good, if not better, then Arroyo anyway makes sense to me.

co-signed. At worst, Chucky is equal to Arroyo, the difference is one would make the vet minimum and the other makes 4 mil. While many people like to pretend it doesn't exist, the Pistons are approaching the luxury tax--something they've shown in that past that they'd like to avoid if possible. Being that Chucky is signed and done, this is all moot, but still those that think Arroyo does 4mil worth on the court...wtf?

whatever, arroyo's averaging one more assist per game and definately less turnovers.. ya'll are scary as fuck with this chuck atkins=or > arroyo.
whether you grab stats or point out ONLY his streaky performances, chucky atkins is not that good and is not equal to arroyo. different styles of play first off. second off he's much smaller and cant penetrate. he also isnt that great a dribbler(i remember several ocasions of atkins dumbass getting stripped bringing it up the court or throwing a bad pass on a trap). arroyo may not be a stopper on defense but he has better footwork by far than chucky.

Unless we make a trade Shatkins isn't coming here.

Indeed Diddy, this talk was always predicated on "if we could get rid of Arroyo"


whatever, arroyo's averaging one more assist per game and definately less turnovers.. ya'll are scary as fuck with this chuck atkins=or > arroyo.
whether you grab stats or point out ONLY his streaky performances, chucky atkins is not that good and is not equal to arroyo. different styles of play first off. second off he's much smaller and cant penetrate. he also isnt that great a dribbler(i remember several ocasions of atkins dumbass getting stripped bringing it up the court or throwing a bad pass on a trap). arroyo may not be a stopper on defense but he has better footwork by far than chucky.

LOL@ Gutz. Even when both the statistical and anecdotal evidence goes against him he doesn't let it effect his argument that "Arroyo is just better."

Indeed Diddy, this talk was always predicated on "if we could get rid of Arroyo"


whatever, arroyo's averaging one more assist per game and definately less turnovers.. ya'll are scary as fuck with this chuck atkins=or > arroyo.
whether you grab stats or point out ONLY his streaky performances, chucky atkins is not that good and is not equal to arroyo. different styles of play first off. second off he's much smaller and cant penetrate. he also isnt that great a dribbler(i remember several ocasions of atkins dumbass getting stripped bringing it up the court or throwing a bad pass on a trap). arroyo may not be a stopper on defense but he has better footwork by far than chucky.

LOL@ Gutz. Even when both the statistical and anecdotal evidence goes against him he doesn't let it effect his argument that "Arroyo is just better."
damn im sorry you couldnt read that arroyo has a better assist per game stat. not to mention chucky points are with an extra six minutes a game. [smilie=antlers.gif] ..

lol@you thinking you had these stats as a lockdown in chucky's favor. yep those stats totally sells anybody on chucky atkins being equal if you dont count all of the stats. [smilie=applause.gi:

Indeed Diddy, this talk was always predicated on "if we could get rid of Arroyo"


whatever, arroyo's averaging one more assist per game and definately less turnovers.. ya'll are scary as fuck with this chuck atkins=or > arroyo.
whether you grab stats or point out ONLY his streaky performances, chucky atkins is not that good and is not equal to arroyo. different styles of play first off. second off he's much smaller and cant penetrate. he also isnt that great a dribbler(i remember several ocasions of atkins dumbass getting stripped bringing it up the court or throwing a bad pass on a trap). arroyo may not be a stopper on defense but he has better footwork by far than chucky.

LOL@ Gutz. Even when both the statistical and anecdotal evidence goes against him he doesn't let it effect his argument that "Arroyo is just better."
damn im sorry you couldnt read that arroyo has a better assist per game stat. not to mention chucky points are with an extra six minutes a game. [smilie=antlers.gif] ..

lol@you thinking you had these stats as a lockdown in chucky's favor. yep those stats totally sells anybody on chucky atkins being equal if you dont count all of the stats. [smilie=applause.gi:

Their minutes per game are almost identical in seasons where they play the same number of games. Thats the whole basis of the "they are pretty similar except for styles of play" otherwise my statement would be "Arroyo would never average double digits for this team", but thanks for trying to paint me as jilting the stats in favor of my argument.

Indeed Diddy, this talk was always predicated on "if we could get rid of Arroyo"


whatever, arroyo's averaging one more assist per game and definately less turnovers.. ya'll are scary as fuck with this chuck atkins=or > arroyo.
whether you grab stats or point out ONLY his streaky performances, chucky atkins is not that good and is not equal to arroyo. different styles of play first off. second off he's much smaller and cant penetrate. he also isnt that great a dribbler(i remember several ocasions of atkins dumbass getting stripped bringing it up the court or throwing a bad pass on a trap). arroyo may not be a stopper on defense but he has better footwork by far than chucky.

LOL@ Gutz. Even when both the statistical and anecdotal evidence goes against him he doesn't let it effect his argument that "Arroyo is just better."
damn im sorry you couldnt read that arroyo has a better assist per game stat. not to mention chucky points are with an extra six minutes a game. [smilie=antlers.gif] ..

lol@you thinking you had these stats as a lockdown in chucky's favor. yep those stats totally sells anybody on chucky atkins being equal if you dont count all of the stats. [smilie=applause.gi:

Their minutes per game are almost identical in seasons where they play the same number of games. Thats the whole basis of the "they are pretty similar except for styles of play" otherwise my statement would be "Arroyo would never average double digits for this team", but thanks for trying to paint me as jilting the stats in favor of my argument.
well yesteryear isnt this year and this year doesnt favor your theory, thus you are getting deep into your bag of comparisoms.

the only way to be fair is to base it on this year. chucky is getting 19 minutes a game, yet wants to get more time. arroyo is quiet as a church mouse about his playing time and putting up better assists vs his turnovers with 6 minutes less time to work with. since their shooting percentages are the same, one could say that chucky in 28 games is chucking up more shots(i think 24 more in 12 less games) than arroyo with six extra minutes to get his 3 more points per game.

how old is chucky now? 32 in april...yet you are trying to compare what he did 3 seasons ago to what arroyo is doing now? no thanks on that angle.

and pretty similar except for there totally different styles of play is a funny statement. so they are similiar outside of being totally different in the way they play? im sorry Fool but i see El Chucko favortism. stats show that chucky is just a chucker, which is his perrogative but not what we need for our option at backup pg IMO. honestly smush is better than him at this point. and arroyo is overall better than chucky if you actually want a PG. if you want a chucking, streaky, spot up shooting PG who cant pass well or get anybody besides himself involved. you can have el chucko. no thanks for me though.

There is no point in debating the minutes angle. If he wants to backup Billups on a title contender he will consider that. If he wants minutes, then he won't consider us (or another backup role). Period. There is no point bringing that angle in.

Basically Chucky is the cheaper of two mediocre backups.

There is no point in debating the minutes angle. If he wants to backup Billups on a title contender he will consider that. If he wants minutes, then he won't consider us (or another backup role). Period. There is no point bringing that angle in.

Basically Chucky is the cheaper of two mediocre backups.
hold up, not the whole minutes angle. he still got 6 more minutes a game to chuck up 20 more shots in 12 less games with 1 assist less a game. 13 minutes worth of chucky is pretty shitty on those averages vs 13 minutes of arroyo.

You people fucking disgust me.

First Earl Watson.

Then Fred Hoiberg.

Now Chucky Atkins?

AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

well yesteryear isnt this year and this year doesnt favor your theory, thus you are getting deep into your bag of comparisoms.

the only way to be fair is to base it on this year. chucky is getting 19 minutes a game, yet wants to get more time. arroyo is quiet as a church mouse about his playing time and putting up better assists vs his turnovers with 6 minutes less time to work with. since their shooting percentages are the same, one could say that chucky in 28 games is chucking up more shots(i think 24 more in 12 less games) than arroyo with six extra minutes to get his 3 more points per game.

how old is chucky now? 32 in april...yet you are trying to compare what he did 3 seasons ago to what arroyo is doing now? no thanks on that angle.

and pretty similar except for there totally different styles of play is a funny statement. so they are similiar outside of being totally different in the way they play? im sorry Fool but i see El Chucko favortism. stats show that chucky is just a chucker, which is his perrogative but not what we need for our option at backup pg IMO. honestly smush is better than him at this point. and arroyo is overall better than chucky if you actually want a PG. if you want a chucking, streaky, spot up shooting PG who cant pass well or get anybody besides himself involved. you can have el chucko. no thanks for me though.

Wow. I hadn't even realized you were talking about Chucky this year verses Arroyo this year. You mean, this year when he started a couple games for his team while his starting PG (who carries that team on his shoulds points wise) went down (that was only one game I don't recall why they started him the second)? Man, why would he ever average more time/game then a guy who performs poorly on a team with 5 healthy starters all year labeled "the best starting 5 in the game"? You mean he shot more on more minutes ON THE WIZARDS? That team's philosophy is "Hurry up and let the opponent score so we can chuck up another shot". You mean he averaged less assists on a team that plays one-on-one about 100% more than the Pistons? Hell the bread and butter that is the pick and roll with McDyess is worth that extra assist all by itself.

I definately don't mind that Chucky and Arroyo's stats being similar while having vastly different styles of play is humerous to you, since its the whole point of making the move. (I guess I'll recap what's already posted by many people in this thread already) Get someone in that won't dribble the game away and then pitch it to someone in a bad position to take a shot with 2 seconds left on the clock and yet brings the same amount of production. Yes Arroyo is a better dribbler (best handles on the squad or at least the bench) and a slasher (though at this point its clear that Delfino is better used as the primary slasher off the bench). Its all he is and its not helping the team to any real extent while costing 4 million a year. Is one assist a game more and a total lack of ball movement and 3pt range out of your 1 spot worth about 3 million in extra salary (the difference in Arroyo's contract and the vet min that Atkins would get)?

Not in my opinion.

[But hell, I can't rule out that I'm biased toward Chucky. While I don't think he's the greatest PG ever to play or anything, the first thing that comes to mind when I think of him is that tear drop vs Philly in the 'offs. So I'm probably, at least somewhat, biased.]

yep it is biased. the wizards actually have a very decent offensive team. much like us. yet chucky couldnt muster more that 2 assists a game in it with 19 minutes of time. you're making a whole boat load of excuses for El Chucko. and laying down alot of offbeat angles in your take on arroyo.

arroyo is better. the stats show that. if you think the stats are not telling the whole story then what a turn around this is. just a minute ago you accused me of running away from the stats.

and yes of course im talking about this year. el chucko is gonna be 32 years old. i highly doubt that he's still the same, which is evident in his stats which arent all that useful at 19 minutes a game.

ya know if you guys wanna hopelessly wish for a video game team of players you think can win if YOU ran the team, thats fine. but reaching this far on someone like atkins is getting ridiculous.

I definately don't mind that Chucky and Arroyo's stats being similar while having vastly different styles of play is humerous to you, since its the whole point of making the move.
you missed what i found humor in. not to mention their numbers this year are not the same. you're skewing the comparisom just to get a match out of atkins. that says enough. you honestly think 3 years ago is more legit vs this year? im sorry but thats more el chucko bias.

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http://www.nba.com/grizzlies/news/chucky_atkins_signed-060123.html

Chucky signs with Memphis.

That should put an end to the debate. There is no need to have it anymore.

Yes!! good work Joe D.

yep it is biased. the wizards actually have a very decent offensive team. much like us. yet chucky couldnt muster more that 2 assists a game in it with 19 minutes of time. you're making a whole boat load of excuses for El Chucko. and laying down alot of offbeat angles in your take on arroyo.

arroyo is better. the stats show that. if you think the stats are not telling the whole story then what a turn around this is. just a minute ago you accused me of running away from the stats.

and yes of course im talking about this year. el chucko is gonna be 32 years old. i highly doubt that he's still the same, which is evident in his stats which arent all that useful at 19 minutes a game.

ya know if you guys wanna hopelessly wish for a video game team of players you think can win if YOU ran the team, thats fine. but reaching this far on someone like atkins is getting ridiculous.

I got it. My view of things is excuses and scew but yours is simply the truth.

Thanks Taymelo.

Thanks Taymelo.

Oooh, spicy.

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yep it is biased. the wizards actually have a very decent offensive team. much like us. yet chucky couldnt muster more that 2 assists a game in it with 19 minutes of time. you're making a whole boat load of excuses for El Chucko. and laying down alot of offbeat angles in your take on arroyo.

arroyo is better. the stats show that. if you think the stats are not telling the whole story then what a turn around this is. just a minute ago you accused me of running away from the stats.

and yes of course im talking about this year. el chucko is gonna be 32 years old. i highly doubt that he's still the same, which is evident in his stats which arent all that useful at 19 minutes a game.

ya know if you guys wanna hopelessly wish for a video game team of players you think can win if YOU ran the team, thats fine. but reaching this far on someone like atkins is getting ridiculous.

I got it. My view of things is excuses and scew but yours is simply the truth.

Thanks Taymelo.
LOL...how do you equate all this. im just talking bout the stats YOU posted.


its over though. chucko is dead.

I got it. My view of things is excuses and scew but yours is simply the truth.

Thanks Taymelo.

I figured I was the only one who thought that way of Tay.