"If rehabilitating Timberwolves guard Fred Hoiberg is medically cleared Friday to return to the basketball court, some people believe former Wolves coach Flip Saunders of the Detroit Pistons might try to sign him to use as a shooter off the bench." St. Paul Pioneer Press

Don't bother trying to find and click the link. It was one of those little tidbit articles, with tidbits about all types of stuff, and this was all it said about Hoiberg.

Personally, I think its just speculation, i.e. "Flip coached him before so he'll probably look at him". Same stuff they said about Sprewell.

I do not think he is needed. I would rather see Mo or Delfino in... I like the Mayor however I just would rather the young guys get the PT.

We need to give more time to Delfino not bring others in to take his minutes.



Art

If it means cutting a guy like Acker IMO it doesn't hurt. I mean it's not like Acker is contributing right now. It couldn't hurt to add a guy like Hoiberg to the team for the playoff run. Bottom line is Delfino has no playoff exp, Evans has minimal exp, adding a guy who is a playoff vet is a nice insurance policy. I agree that Delfino and Evans need the time now but come playoff time it would be a great idea to have a vet if somebody is hurt or is struggling.

Plus as much as Acker may have upside but the truth is he has very little future with the Pistons right now. Rip, Tay, Evans and Delfino are all ahead of him. Much like Darko he has no shot of real PT on this roster. They say he can run the point not this year he will soon be behind Chauncey, Arroyo and LH.

If Joe cuts him the best any team will give him is a 10 day contract resulting in being signed for the rest of the year. Therefore Joe can the resign him next year once the log jam opens up for him.

Well if guys like Delfino and Evans can get playoff exp especially in the first couple of rounds. If you dont play guys in the playoffs they cant get the exp.

You got guys like Hunter, Arroyo and Davis for that reason. No need to add another.


Art

I would rather have Mo and 'Los over Hoiberg. First off, the whole playoff experience with a role player is overated...unless we are talking about someone like Robert Horry. The Pistons roster is LOADED with playoff experience. Two young high energy guys will help more than another slow ass vet. Everyone needs to get their lips wet at some point. They have a great record with these guys now...Hoiberg is not needed. We all saw what Mo can do last night.

Yeah you guys are right it was really not necessary to have depth in the finals.

Yeah you guys are right it was really not necessary to have depth in the finals.

6-McDyess
7-Evans
8-Hunter
9-Davis
10-Arroyo
11-Delfino


You are right...that is shitty depth! :roll:

Yeah you guys are right it was really not necessary to have depth in the finals.

6-McDyess
7-Evans
8-Hunter
9-Davis
10-Arroyo
11-Delfino


You are right...that is shitty depth! :roll:

You are missing a 12th playoff spot oh that is right it is reserved for Darko aka the future is not bright. Like I said in my previous post Hoiberg would be nothing more than insurance I for one would rather have the 12th spot be a vet role player, not somebody who hasn't played.

I am all for playing Delfino and Evans. I just think Hoiberg is that change of pace player that we lack. And yes Evans was great like last night but he also had 4 games before that where he didn't score in double digits combined.

Every round for the past few years we run into a team that has some seldom used bench guy who causes problems for our guys. It would be nice to have a guy like Hoiberg to go to when our offense is in a slump.

We can agree to disagree...you know Darko will have that last spot. We do not need Hoiberg

I cut Acker for Hoiberg just to keep Hoiberg away from Miami. He is the three point assassin and back-up SG that they really need...

Now if he said it was between us and any other team not named Miami, I'd probably let him go to the other team.

Reguarding the play-off roster - Is it like in seasons past where you set your 12-man roster for the length of the play-offs, or can you now make pre-series changes or even game time changes?? I've heard both given as answers and was hoping for definitive confirmation.

If we wanted to sign him, I would want to wait till the March 1st deadline before we sign him. That way it gives us an opportunity to play Delfino and Evans more and we still have the option of picking up someone if needed.

But as Kilo pointed out, we might have to sign him jus to keep him out of Miami's hands.

We'd have no chance of beating Miami if they signed Fred Hoiberg.

We'd have no chance of beating Miami if they signed Fred Hoiberg.

I know you are being sarcastic but the biggest problem with Miami is they don't have a pure shooter. Every player on their roster is streaky, and no one really has hit a clutch shot for them. I am not saying that Hoiberg is Kerr or Horry but he does have the ability to help stabilize the Miami bench and give them a boost.

We'd have no chance of beating Miami if they signed Fred Hoiberg.

I know you are being sarcastic but the biggest problem with Miami is they don't have a pure shooter. Every player on their roster is streaky, and no one really has hit a clutch shot for them. I am not saying that Hoiberg is Kerr or Horry but he does have the ability to help stabilize the Miami bench and give them a boost.

He's not worth signing just to keep away from Miami.

Hoiberg is trash. He's a 50 year old version of Jason Kapono. Signing him in spite of the Heat is one of the dumbest ideas ever.

We'd have no chance of beating Miami if they signed Fred Hoiberg.

I know you are being sarcastic but the biggest problem with Miami is they don't have a pure shooter. Every player on their roster is streaky, and no one really has hit a clutch shot for them. I am not saying that Hoiberg is Kerr or Horry but he does have the ability to help stabilize the Miami bench and give them a boost.

He's not worth signing just to keep away from Miami.

Even for Acker? I mean everbody was just as high on Paulding and he has yet come back to bite us in the ass. I know Muhme has seen Acker in person so I wil defer to his knowledge of his ability rather than pretending I know what he is or is not. I have not seen him, I only know what is written . However I just think Hoiberg is a guy that would fit in well with the team and even if he is not playing helps guys off the court like DD does more than Acker does for the rest of this year.

I like what I have seen with Acker at practice. I have not seen him go against Chauncey but I get to see him doing 3v3 drills against Lindsey and Arroyo.

Acker has the ability to hit shots. I can tell you he is 10x the shooter that Arroyo is and I would say from WHAT I HAVE SEEN and again probably 15-20 practices...he might be a better shooter than Hunter.

It is though to really get a grasp of what someone can do when you are watching him at practice...I can honestly tell you guys that he can hold his own with Arroyo and Hunter.

Yeah you guys are right it was really not necessary to have depth in the finals.
we have depth, hoiberg wont replace acker because its Joe's call, not Flip's. if it was all about the coach we'd have vince carter last year which we thankfully dont.

outside of hitting a spot up 3 pointer on streaks, hoiberg can't do shit else. not really something to make me drool. if we were to go after point guards returning from injury, i'd go after former bull pg jay williams before miami locks him up.

Actually, I love the idea of having a 3 point specialist off the bench in the playoffs.

Mo can seemingly only hit them consistently when he's wide open on the left sideline (and not the middle, left of center, right of center, on the right, or anywhere else). Hunter, Arroyo, and Delfino don't shoot them at a high enough percentage, and Dice is weak outside of 15 feet.

I'd rather have a guy we could bring in and hit a 3, than leave Acker off the active roster and have him be of no good, whatsoever.

Darko will probably stay on the active roster b/c of his size, but as much as I like Maxiell, I'd rather have Hoiberg on the active roster going into the playoffs than him. We all know Maxiell won't play a second under any circumstances whatsoever... but a guy like Hoiberg might.

but once again you'd have to cut somebody and Joe D isnt cutting acker, amir, darko, or maxiell.. its not a likely move at all. and i dont think hoiberg wows joe as much as he may have done flippidy doo da

I think Joe would cut Acker as a favor to Flip.

Why not?

He brought him in to be a class act, not overshadow the players, improve the offense, and keep the team on a winning track.

He's done ALL those things, more than expected. Why not reward him by letting him choose ONE STINKING role player?

As previously mentioned, Acker can be re-signed next year, and no matter how high they are on him, he won't break into this rotation for several years. As also previously mentioned, if Acker ends up signing with someone else, it will be as devastating to the Pistons as losing Ricky Paulding to Haopel Jerusalem.

BTW: Be careful how fondly you all speak of Acker. Think about how Miami fans speak of Dorrell Wright, Wayne Simeon, Gerald Fitch, etc.

We all laugh at those types of fans that put a lot of stock in guys on the inactive roster, yet we are worried about losing the last pick in the last round of the draft?!?!?

I think Joe would cut Acker as a favor to Flip.

Why not?.
because Joe doesnt give a shit about being any nicer than he is to Flip. Larry Brought him a title and he wasn't bout to bite of the vince carter idea at all.

So you expect Joe D to cut a player he's high on so that they can bring in a guy the coach wants. not even a legitimate theory. im sorry but part of Flip being made coach was so that he didn't have to hear a bunch of trade and transaction requests like he did with brown. Flip will stick to coaching and Joe D wont cut off a piece of the team he wants to give Flip a reward for doing what he was paid to do.

BTW: Be careful how fondly you all speak of Acker. Think about how Miami fans speak of Dorrell Wright, Wayne Simeon, Gerald Fitch, etc.
nice try, but i dont give a shit about acker. save your speech for joe dumars. he traded away dupree who was playing his ass off to make sure he could keep his 3 rookies. he's not letting 'em go. and other teams expressed interest in acker earlier this season so i dont expect to see him in europe, atleast not right away if he was let go. which he probally wont. not for hoiberg atleast.

Can somebody please clarify the playoff roster situation for me. Can you set your roster before each game like you can in the regular season or is it the same rules as previous seasons- one 12 man roster set before the play-offs and one which you have to play the whole play-off with?? Or is it a happy medium where you set rosters for each playoff round and match-up??

If it is like it has been in previous seasons, where you set your 12-man roster and cannot make any changes, then we'd potentially have another issue come play-off time if we cut Acker for Hoiberg.

1.Billups
2.Hamilton
3.Prince.
4.Wallace
5.Wallace
6.McDyess
7.Arroyo
8.Evans
9.Delfino
10.Hunter
11.Davis
12.Milicic
13.Hoiberg
14.Maxiell
14.Johnson

Basically one of Milicic or Maxiell and two of Hoiberg, Evans or Delfino would have to be chosen. Which back-up swingman would you leave off the roster??

I've heard the play-off roster described in so many ways, I don't know what to believe.

I think Joe would cut Acker as a favor to Flip.

Why not?.
because Joe doesnt give a shit about being any nicer than he is to Flip. Larry Brought him a title and he wasn't bout to bite of the vince carter idea at all.

So you expect Joe D to cut a player he's high on so that they can bring in a guy the coach wants. not even a legitimate theory. im sorry but part of Flip being made coach was so that he didn't have to hear a bunch of trade and transaction requests like he did with brown. Flip will stick to coaching and Joe D wont cut off a piece of the team he wants to give Flip a reward for doing what he was paid to do.

Please, Gutz. Please please please tell me you aren't comparing breaking up the starting 5 of the defending NBA champs to bring in Vince Carter, to paying the last pick in the draft $375,000 to go away, so you can sign someone who would help in a playoff run.

PLEASE!

BTW: Be careful how fondly you all speak of Acker. Think about how Miami fans speak of Dorrell Wright, Wayne Simeon, Gerald Fitch, etc.
nice try, but i dont give a shit about acker. save your speech for joe dumars. he traded away dupree who was playing his ass off to make sure he could keep his 3 rookies. he's not letting 'em go. and other teams expressed interest in acker earlier this season so i dont expect to see him in europe, atleast not right away if he was let go. which he probally wont. not for hoiberg atleast.

Wrong.

He cut loose Dupree because he had two starters and two other guys on the bench who play his position better than he does, and he had absolutely no use for Dupree in the regular season or the playoffs, whatsoever. It would've been a 100% waste of a roster spot - 100%.

He would cut Acker because he doesn't have as many guys who can play spot minutes at the point, and could use Hoiberg as a 3 point specialist.

Totally different scenarios.

believe that if you will, but you cant name a time Joe has cut someone he was still high on. he may have traded em to get something in return, but never has traded someone he honestly believes in. throw whatever spin you want but that is the truth.

How about Smush Parker? Were the Pistons still high on him when he was let go?

I'm asking because I have no clue...

How about Smush Parker? Were the Pistons still high on him when he was let go?

I'm asking because I have no clue...

Actually, I think you could make the case that Joe wanted Smush, while LB wanted the 30 year old rookie, and Joe gave in to his coach - something Gutz said he would never do.

Aha!

Suck it, Gutz! (high fives his secretary, leaving her wondering wtf?!?!?)

I remember Detroit was also "high on" Ronnie Dupree the first time around, but realized it was in his best interest to play elsewhere rather than rot at the end of our bench. Seeing as how we are doingjust that know, I have a feeling that LB didn't want the kids around OR Flip does a lot more coaching of the youngsters in practice.

How about Smush Parker? Were the Pistons still high on him when he was let go?

I'm asking because I have no clue...

Actually, I think you could make the case that Joe wanted Smush, while LB wanted the 30 year old rookie, and Joe gave in to his coach - something Gutz said he would never do.

Aha!

Suck it, Gutz! (high fives his secretary, leaving her wondering wtf?!?!?)
joe was not all that high on smush and he played shitty. acker hasnt played at all yet. once i said find me someone joe stayed high on. because he still is high on his 3 rookies and they've done nothing to sway that. acker a more valuable market than smush did also. he wouldnt end up in europe and would surely get picked up by one of the teams that were interested in grabbing him had joe cut him in the preseason.

bs yourselves to death but acker isnt getting cut for hoiberg. if you think that move makes sense in joe d's mind you're lying. you're thinking about what YOU would do.

The people inside the pistons feed everyone bullshit as far as who they like and who they want. They feed the beat writers with shit and they feed us all with shit and most people just take it in stride...

The people inside the pistons feed everyone bullshit as far as who they like and who they want. They feed the beat writers with shit and they feed us all with shit and most people just take it in stride...

i'm basing on what joe dumars has made his stance with his 3 rookies. he wants to keep them all this year. its the "insiders" who say otherwise.

Wrong.

He cut loose Dupree because he had two starters and two other guys on the bench who play his position better than he does, and he had absolutely no use for Dupree in the regular season or the playoffs, whatsoever. It would've been a 100% waste of a roster spot - 100%.

He would cut Acker because he doesn't have as many guys who can play spot minutes at the point, and could use Hoiberg as a 3 point specialist.

Totally different scenarios.

Not that I care one way or another, but you can't compare Dupree to Acker. Acker atleast has some potential, however small, whereas Dupree didn't. Also add to the fact that Acker plays PG which is an advantage.

"Acker at least has some potential, whereas Dupree didn't."

Translation: I've seen Dupree play, but have no clue about Acker.

Isn't that how guys like Darko get drafted over guys like Dwyane Wade? People choose the guy because they don't know enough about them to know their deficiencies?

For all we know, Dupree >>>>>>> Acker.

Let's get real here.

"Acker at least has some potential, whereas Dupree didn't."

Translation: I've seen Dupree play, but have no clue about Acker.

Isn't that how guys like Darko get drafted over guys like Dwyane Wade? People choose the guy because they don't know enough about them to know their deficiencies?

For all we know, Dupree >>>>>>> Acker.

Let's get real here.
thats fine Tay, but thats your take. we are talking about dumars interpretation of his 6ft 5in point guard with the 7 foot wingspan. he wants to see what he has in the kid. you may not. but thats you.