Last night’s win over Indiana gave Michigan State there 3rd win over a Top 10 team this season. It takes most programs a number of seasons to reach that number of Top 10 victories. They are actually one play away from 4 Top 10 wins when you consider the Triple Overtime Thriller versus Gonzaga.

It is apparent that Izzo’s murderous non-conference scheduling is paying dividends with guys like Brown, Ager, and Davis now. They are going to take their lumps (Illinois, Wisc.) as do most teams that play difficult schedules. But, they are much tougher because of it and it will pay off as usual come tournament time.

I don’t understand why some of the programs (which are trying to improve and grow) schedule such weak ass schedules. Year after year the battle tested teams are standing in March. I think they look for the easy way out trying to guarantee themselves 20 wins and a possible big dance ticket. Instead, they cheat their teams of valuable experience that will be needed if they want climb the ladder and make noise in March.

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Last night’s win over Indiana gave Michigan State there 3rd win over a Top 10 team this season. It takes most programs a number of seasons to reach that number of Top 10 victories. They are actually one play away from 4 Top 10 wins when you consider the Triple Overtime Thriller versus Gonzaga.

It is apparent that Izzo’s murderous non-conference scheduling is paying dividends with guys like Brown, Ager, and Davis now. They are going to take their lumps (Illinois, Wisc.) as do most teams that play difficult schedules. But, they are much tougher because of it and it will pay off as usual come tournament time.

I don’t understand why some of the programs (which are trying to improve and grow) schedule such weak ass schedules. Year after year the battle tested teams are standing in March. I think they look for the easy way out trying to guarantee themselves 20 wins and a possible big dance ticket. Instead, they cheat their teams of valuable experience that will be needed if they want climb the ladder and make noise in March.


That's allright. It makes for better upsets in March...and let's face it...that's what we tune in for. I can't wait already.

I don’t understand why some of the programs (which are trying to improve and grow) schedule such weak ass schedules. Year after year the battle tested teams are standing in March. I think they look for the easy way out trying to guarantee themselves 20 wins and a possible big dance ticket. Instead, they cheat their teams of valuable experience that will be needed if they want climb the ladder and make noise in March.

I guess there are different ways to skin a cat. But I agree. I don't like teams like Florida skating by on chumps.

were syracuse and wake chumps?

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Michigan States Non-Con schedule was disgusting
yes they played zaga and yes they played BC

but the rest of those teams are no better than the "Chumps" you said Florida was playing

I anticipated this post as soon as I heard State won last night. Here is my response.

The 3 "Top 10" teams you've beaten are Arizona, who some publications are calling one of the biggest dissapointments early on this season, Boston College, who is now 0-3 in the ACC, and Indiana who lost their second best player.


Ho hum, I'm not impressed. :roll:

Beat Illinois (for once) then we'll talk.

Michigan States Non-Con schedule was disgusting
yes they played zaga and yes they played BC

but the rest of those teams are no better than the "Chumps" you said Florida was playing

St Peter's, Albany, W Forest , Syracuse, Florida St, Alabama St, C Florida, Providence, Beth-Cook, Jacksonville, at Miami, Florida A&M, Morgan St

So they played Syracuse and Wake at home, Miami on the road. That's nothing compared to MSU. I've never even heard of half these schools.

Michigan States Non-Con schedule was disgusting
yes they played zaga and yes they played BC

but the rest of those teams are no better than the "Chumps" you said Florida was playing

St Peter's, Albany, W Forest , Syracuse, Florida St, Alabama St, C Florida, Providence, Beth-Cook, Jacksonville, at Miami, Florida A&M, Morgan St

So they played Syracuse and Wake at home, Miami on the road. That's nothing compared to MSU. I've never even heard of half these schools.


Opp. Result Record
Nov 19 @Hawaii Lost 62-84 0-1
Nov 21 @Chaminade Won 89-67 1-1
Nov 22 Gonzaga Lost 106-109 1-2
Nov 23 Arizona Won 74-71 2-2
Nov 27 IPFW Won 84-73 3-2
Nov 30 Georgia Tech Won 88-86 4-2
Dec 3 AR-Little Rock Won 72-67 5-2
Dec 6 Boston College Won 77-70 6-2
Dec 10 Wichita St. Won 83-64 7-2
Dec 16 Cleveland St. Won 83-75 8-2
Dec 18 Florida Int´l Won 85-58 9-2
Dec 21 @Wis.-Green Bay Won 98-69 10-2
Dec 28 Tennessee Tech Won 80-63 11-2
Dec 31 Coppin St.

Hawaii, Charminade, AR-Little Rock, Wichita St, Cleveland St, Wis -Green Bay Coppin St, florida Int, tennessee tech???

come on man
and arizona / BC are 2 of the biggest disappointments of the season so far

and arizona / BC are 2 of the biggest disappointments of the season so far

Doesn't matter, you can't fault them for that. They scheduled them as tough opponents. It's not MSU's fault those teams are a dissapointment. You can't tell me Florida expected Wake or Syracuse to be good. Syracuse lost all their good players to the NBA early, and Wake lost Chris Paul too. I doubt they scheduled those teams because of that, but they did schedule their best two teams as one man teams that lost their best player.

I anticipated this post as soon as I heard State won last night. Here is my response.

The 3 "Top 10" teams you've beaten are Arizona, who some publications are calling one of the biggest dissapointments early on this season, Boston College, who is now 0-3 in the ACC, and Indiana who lost their second best player.


Ho hum, I'm not impressed. :roll:

Beat Illinois (for once) then we'll talk.

No team besides Duke and MSU have 3 wins against ranked teams. None. Let alone top 10 wins. I'm not punching their ticket to the final 4 just yet, but you can't discount their big wins when nobody but Duke as beaten better teams.

Doesn't matter, you can't fault them for that. They scheduled them as tough opponents. It's not MSU's fault those teams are a dissapointment. You can't tell me Florida expected Wake or Syracuse to be good. Syracuse lost all their good players to the NBA early, and Wake lost Chris Paul too. I doubt they scheduled those teams because of that, but they did schedule their best two teams as one man teams that lost their best player.

Wake and Syracuse were ranked in the top 20 while the Gators only recieved 6 points total to get anywhere near the top 25

Florida lost their top 3 players that accounted for 60% of the scoring for all of last years team in Lee, Roberson & Walsh

Their starting lineup consists of 4 Sophomores and 1 Junior

for what they thought they would have they scheduled accordingly
are you going to throw 4 sophmores against Duke in a non-con game?

Im sure Zona and BC lost good players too and MSU couldnt expect them to be that good either so i dont know where you're coming from in that respect

MSU started out the year ranked 4th overall they are supposed to schedule teams around their calibre for non con games
they SHOULD have 3 ranked wins in fact considering their pre season ranking they should have 5 ranked wins instead

theres no doubt they are a good team, but to say they dont schedule easy like everybody else is an oversight at the very least

Fraser, you apparantly do not know a whole lot about college basketball. If you ask the coaches and media who schedules the most difficult non-conference schedules in the country, they'll answer Tom Izzo. He has a reputation for playing anybody. Over the last 5 years, Izzo has scheduled games AT DUKE, KENTUCKY, KANSAS, SYRACUSE, UCONN, OKLAHOMA, UCLA, ARIZONA, NORTH CAROLINA, AND FLORIDA! What the fuck are you talking about?

You are kidding yourself. They played 3 Top 10 teams in their nonconference schedule. What more do you want?!

Tom Izzo even was criticized for scheduling too difficult of a schedule two years back. You claim BC and Zona are disappointments? Whose fault is that? Are we supposed to have a crystal ball and know that Top 10 teams are going to struggle?

I can't take this shit anymore. Some of you guys are just getting out of hand. If you want to find a schedule that leaves something to be desired, check Michigan's SOS. It falls somewhere around #140.

I KNOW MSU schedules hard they are elite and are supposed to schedule hard. I was just trying to defend my Gators who for an UNRANKED team and the start of the year scheduled hard for their situation
yes MSU's schedule was tougher but that has a lot to do with where they were before the season started

if you see the point im trying to get across....

You are a Gators hoop fan? AAAAAAAAAAAW Dog! Could we ever get into some battles now.

Choosing the Gators is like choosing the Devil :twisted: Those scandalist chumps!

I bet you Gators and Wolverines sure get along though. You both try to buy a program. haha :wink:

alright i take back whatever i had to say about strength of schedule this year for the gators........they are ranked 302nd....dont ask me how they could go from a SOS ranked 39 last year to 302 this year but they did

of course MSU is only 37th not as strong as you might think
but i've got no leg to stand on anymore

here is the Sagarin SOS rankings
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/bkt0506.htm

I'll wait till football season
i know you've seen that number 1 ranked draft class this year!!

I can respect a man that admits when he's wrong.

props to fraser :hello1:

One thing though too about Florida is they lost a HELL of a lot of talent. I dont follow closely but didnt they lose Walsh, Lee, and Roberson? Easy their top 3 guys from last year.

MSU at least has the balls to schedule tough opponents. We all know that the FRAUDS are exposed in March so we'll just wait and see.

yeah those 3 accounted for 60% of all the scoring for last years team.....
they are starting 4 sophs and a junior now...and im lovin every second of it

I can respect a man that admits when he's wrong.

props to fraser :hello1:

Fraser is the real deal.

yeah those 3 accounted for 60% of all the scoring for last years team.....
they are starting 4 sophs and a junior now...and im lovin every second of it

CMU is like that too. They suck, but they are maybe the youngest team in the NCAA's. They have no seniors and only 2 juniors. In fact thier entire bench rotation is pretty much freshman. My Chips are real bad, but hopefully this will lead to turning them back into a tourney team in a couple years.

The man love bein shown to me today is appreciated..... :wink:

Well, that's 4 wins over Top 25 teams now. 3 of them being on the road! Nobody in the country has more wins over Top 25 teams.

I'm sure Moodini still isn't impressed, but I am. That win yesterday was as ugly as it gets, but those are the ones you have to pull out. No matter if you are shooting terrible or not, you have to pull out close road victories.

I think a few people questioned State's top victories earlier in this thread. Well, I noticed BC is #13 in the country. Arizona is like 12-4 with a very tough SOS. I guess those were big wins afterall. Any other excuses?

Well, that's 4 wins over Top 25 teams now. 3 of them being on the road! [b]Nobody in the country has more wins over Top 25 teams.[b]

Duke has 5.

My bad. So we are #2 in the country. I'll take it. :thumbright:

Speaking of #2's in the country

#2 the 16-0 Florida (SOS 302) Gators

#2 the # of teams that are still undefeated

#2 the number of ranked teams Florida has beaten

so anyways is it possible for these 2 teams to go undefeated into the Big Ten Tourney and the SEC Tourney respectively?

I give credit where credit is due, although I'm not anti-MSU. MSU is having a great season.

so anyways is it possible for these 2 teams to go undefeated into the Big Ten Tourney and the SEC Tourney respectively?

You mean ACC and SEC tourney?

I doubt they will, but both of these conferences are down this year so it is possible. Florida isn't the type of team to be able to do this though. Usually the teams that play defense and rebound have a chance. Florida is more of a "outscore you" type of team. A bad shooting night will most likely do them in.

I hope they go undefeated though. I hope they get a #1 seed and I hope State is in that region with a #2 seed. That would be real tight. A showdown for the Final Four.

of course MSU is only 37th not as strong as you might think

According to Ken Pomeroy (who is about the best in the business in analyzing the mathematical relationships of basketball rankings) MSU is now ranked as having the 11th most difficult SOS.

Florida is up to 86 though!


Rnk Team Conf W-L RPI SOS Rk W-L W-L W-L W-L W-L RPI SOS W-L W-L
1 Duke ACC 16-0 .7326 .6434 1 5-0 4-0 5-0 2-0 12-0 1 5 10-0 7-0
2 Memphis CUSA 15-2 .6871 .6335 3 4-2 5-0 3-0 3-0 13-2 2 2 9-1 6-1
3 Wisconsin B10 14-2 .6790 .6065 6 5-1 3-1 4-0 2-0 10-2 6 27 9-1 4-2
4 Illinois B10 16-1 .6605 .5627 37 5-1 3-0 3-0 5-0 14-0 7 102 9-1 6-1
5 Villanova BE 11-2 .6566 .5934 14 3-1 2-1 2-0 4-0 9-1 5 52 8-2 7-1
6 Pittsburgh BE 14-0 .6562 .5416 67 2-0 3-0 6-0 3-0 11-0 11 152 10-0 3-0
7 Gonzaga WCC 13-3 .6555 .5946 12 3-3 4-0 5-0 1-0 10-3 4 9 9-1 6-3
8 Michigan St. B10 13-4 .6492 .5999 11 5-3 2-0 3-1 3-0 11-2 18 68 8-2 6-4
9 Florida SEC 16-0 .6490 .5320 86 1-0 7-0 2-0 6-0 13-0 13 159 10-0 5-0
10 Iowa B10 13-4 .6469 .6032 9 2-4 2-0 5-0 4-0 11-3 16 35 7-3 3-4

actually, there are 3 unbeatens. Duke, Florida and Pitt.

Notice how most of those teams are in the Big Ten.

Fuck the rest. The Big Ten is the best sports and academic conference in the nation.

yes sorry i meant ACC
all you Big Ten fans are getting me confused

and i forgot about Pitt my mistake i'll blame it on a monday

im also glad florida is up to a semi respectible SOS given what they thought they had talent wise at the start of the year that 302 was disgusting.....

Notice how most of those teams are in the Big Ten.

Fuck the rest. The Big Ten is the best sports and academic conference in the nation.

is there any proof or reason you believe this or is this just posturing and bravado

I think the Big Ten is up with anyone athletically. Generally one conference will be good with football, but bad with bball. Or vice versa. We are definately top notch in both.

As far as academics are concerned, I never care because I didn't go to a Big Ten school. And I'm way glad I'm done. But, I think the Ivy League might have something to say about the academics end of things.

Ivy League isn't even division I-A in football so I didn't really count them.

Big ten is the best conference in Bball, I agree with that. We're probably #3 in football this year though. Not too shabby though.

I think I remember a few people making the claim that MSU's big win over Indiana wasn't that big with White out. :roll:

Well, Indiana just beat #6 Illinois and Indy is now a Top 10 team again. :shock:

Anybody want to claim that a 15 point win over Indiana isn't big now? :wink:

Hhaha how many people are really going to argue with you about that in a Detroit Forum??

the Top 10-15 is so close anyway either team could or should conceivably win a game vs each other

Alright, another ranked team for the Spartans on Saturday. Who do y'all got? I gotta take the Spartans at home. I think they are too athletic for Iowa. I hope Iowa tries running with them.

Let's make it 5 Top 25 wins Spartans! Go State!

I'll cheer for the Hawkeyes........somebody has to

I'm with you Fraser, but I think State gets it done by about 8.