Well, Sheed got technical number 9 tonight. 16 gets you a suspension. I'm going for an even 20, which would equal 3 games (he's on pace for 23). Hopefully it won't hurt the Pistons.

Dice will start in his place and Davis will get the bench minutes.

I think we've got another big on the bench to handle some minutes but I can't remember his name.

Oh, it's Maxiell.

So there you go. 3 guys that can fill in if/when Sheed sits out a game or 3.

What are the chances that Sheed will try to tone it down if/when the number of technicals gets closer to the magic 16 in order to avoid a suspension?

I'm assuming he couldn't care less and will continue to play with the same emotion he always does.

I don't think he'll tone it down.

If he stopped it he wouldn't be the player we all know and love/hate

The rule is fucking retarded by the way. Sheed is the only guy in the league who gets pointless techs and not flagrants, team suspensions and all of that stuff. He is the only guy really hurt by this rule. Fortson could get suspended for too many techs as well but him getting suspended is inevitable and Rasheed would otherwise be a model player.

I don't understand why this rule was even necessary. Is hanging on the rim too much after a dunk, trash talking and arguing with refs really that big of a deal? All of this shit is really what makes basketball fun for everyone to watch.

If stern ever got his wish of having no negative media or attitudes in the NBA no one would watch it. out of all the people who watch basketball games how many look at the fundamentals in the game? there's only a handful, and if you need proof look at the all-star voting. People want to see a player with cocky swagger showing off while representing their home team.

Like Pharoah said, we have our bench full of big men. Max Dice Davis and hell stuff Darko in there. I am too lazy to research but does this go into the playoffs?

I agree 100% with Koolaid.

Will the regular season techs carry over into the playoffs? So lets say Sheed does in fact get 20 in the regular season. Will he get subsequent suspensions in the playoffs for each technical he will receive?

What I can't fucking stand is Sheed getting a tech for not saying ANYTHING, and then I have to watch opposing coaches jump up and down, swear, walk on the court, scream in ref's faces, and NOT get a tech every damn night in OUR building.

Van Gundy, Riley, Jerry Sloan, Bob Hill (who tore off his coat and threw it - "the cause of riots in Detroit" according to some), etc. etc. etc. - no techs.

Rasheed "what did I do" - TECH.

WTF?!?!?!?!?

Then some officials are quoted as saying they sometimes T up Sheed merely as a preventative measure early in games, to control him before he even says anything wrong, and now our team is going to have to suffer from a suspension?

Bullshit.

If there's going to be a suspension for techs system, there should be a tech appeal system, where Sheed can argue he didn't deserve the tech so it shouldn't count against him.

Will the regular season techs carry over into the playoffs? So lets say Sheed does in fact get 20 in the regular season. Will he get subsequent suspensions in the playoffs for each technical he will receive?

You start off with a clean slate in the playoffs. Once you get your 7th T, you get a suspension, and every other one after that gets you another game. This will make it all the more critical to not waste games in the first two rounds this year.

I don't have a problem at all with this rule. Shut up and play basketball, and quit bitching to the refs.

Will the regular season techs carry over into the playoffs? So lets say Sheed does in fact get 20 in the regular season. Will he get subsequent suspensions in the playoffs for each technical he will receive?

You start off with a clean slate in the playoffs. Once you get your 7th T, you get a suspension, and every other one after that gets you another game. This will make it all the more critical to not waste games in the first two rounds this year.

I don't have a problem at all with this rule. Shut up and play basketball, and quit bitching to the refs.

But don't you have a problem with the fact that some people get away with murder and no techs, while others can't even smile at a ref w/o one (Sheed), thus ensuring that one team is more penalized than another just because they have a player the refs simply don't "like"?

Why is it fair that Miami will lose no players to suspension over this rule, while Detroit will, although Pat Riley is so much more obnoxious to the refs than Sheed?

I don't mind this as long as everybody starts over in the play-offs. I think Sheed gets away with more actually, with his gesturing and "ball don't lie" announcements - he's calling out the referees with that statement.

Refs have said in the past that they T up Sheed because they don't want to listen to him and he quiets down afterwards because another will have him ejected. That means he's under control when he's T'd up in the first place - so he obviously doesn't care about future suspensions.

It does fly in the face of "every game is important" though because sure we have the bigs should he go down, we can't count on Davis or Max to supply his offense, so outside of McDyess, our bigs will severly limited offensively.

We won't be better off, but it wouldn't be as bad as you think with McDeezie
and MadMax. We'd be okay offensively. What I would worry about is the
fact that both of these cats are foul magnets. It's like having Elden Campbell
out there twice. Alot of calls I don't see in the replays either. It's fucking
weird. I don't get why the fuck Dice gets no respect.
It's not like he's a dick or something. Sorry for the rant.

I don't want Sheed suspended but we can win a couple games without him.
Think of one of those games where Sheed is just absent on both sides because
of foul trouble and then throw in Max. I don't see a problem.

Will the regular season techs carry over into the playoffs? So lets say Sheed does in fact get 20 in the regular season. Will he get subsequent suspensions in the playoffs for each technical he will receive?

You start off with a clean slate in the playoffs. Once you get your 7th T, you get a suspension, and every other one after that gets you another game. This will make it all the more critical to not waste games in the first two rounds this year.

I don't have a problem at all with this rule. Shut up and play basketball, and quit bitching to the refs.

But don't you have a problem with the fact that some people get away with murder and no techs, while others can't even smile at a ref w/o one (Sheed), thus ensuring that one team is more penalized than another just because they have a player the refs simply don't "like"?

Why is it fair that Miami will lose no players to suspension over this rule, while Detroit will, although Pat Riley is so much more obnoxious to the refs than Sheed?

First of all, I don't know if this rule applies to coaches or not. It should. However, it's ridiculous to even imply that a team should lose a player because THE COACH gets over the technical threshold.

And let's stop making Sheed the victim here. He's earned the reputation he has from the officials. No one would even care about this rule if Sheed wasn't on the team. This is all part of the Rasheed Wallace package. He's not changing, so you just live with it because of all of the positive things he brings.

I don't mind this as long as everybody starts over in the play-offs. I think Sheed gets away with more actually, with his gesturing and "ball don't lie" announcements - he's calling out the referees with that statement.

Refs have said in the past that they T up Sheed because they don't want to listen to him and he quiets down afterwards because another will have him ejected. That means he's under control when he's T'd up in the first place - so he obviously doesn't care about future suspensions.

It does fly in the face of "every game is important" though because sure we have the bigs should he go down, we can't count on Davis or Max to supply his offense, so outside of McDyess, our bigs will severly limited offensively.

Keep in mind too that we probably won't have Maxiell when Sheed gets suspended. If a player is suspended, the team doesn't get to put them on the inactive list for that game. They play with 11. So Maxiell will only be on the roster if Darko or someone else is.

I'm not worried about the regular season games. I am about the playoffs though.

Keep in mind too that we probably won't have Maxiell when Sheed gets suspended. If a player is suspended, the team doesn't get to put them on the inactive list for that game. They play with 11. So Maxiell will only be on the roster if Darko or someone else is.

I'm not worried about the regular season games. I am about the playoffs though.Maxiell is on the active roster.

Keep in mind too that we probably won't have Maxiell when Sheed gets suspended. If a player is suspended, the team doesn't get to put them on the inactive list for that game. They play with 11. So Maxiell will only be on the roster if Darko or someone else is.

I'm not worried about the regular season games. I am about the playoffs though.Maxiell is on the active roster.

In the playoffs we will roll with
1. Billups
2. Hamilton
3. Prince
4. Wallace
5. Wallace
6. McDyess
7. Delfino
8. Evans
9. Hunter
10. Arroyo
11. Davis
12. Darko/Maxiell/Acker/Amir

So if Sheed is suspended, then during the regular season until Hunter comes back we can survive with 4 big men instead of 5 normally without putting Tayshaun at the PF. But during the playoffs, if Sheed is gone, then McDyess has to start, Davis off the bench, and then either Darko or Maxiell in case of foul trouble. Not bad options, really. Let Sheed say his mind, he is a much better player when he is emotionally involved.

There is a 14 man roster now, not a 12 man one. Rule change this past offseason.

Keep in mind too that we probably won't have Maxiell when Sheed gets suspended. If a player is suspended, the team doesn't get to put them on the inactive list for that game. They play with 11. So Maxiell will only be on the roster if Darko or someone else is.

I'm not worried about the regular season games. I am about the playoffs though.Maxiell is on the active roster.

He won't be when Hunter comes back. And Sheed won't be suspended before that time.

There is a 14 man roster now, not a 12 man one. Rule change this past offseason.

How exactly does the playoff roster work?? 14 man roster, though only 12 player active roster than can be switched up for each game?? Or only before each round?

Will the regular season techs carry over into the playoffs? So lets say Sheed does in fact get 20 in the regular season. Will he get subsequent suspensions in the playoffs for each technical he will receive?

You start off with a clean slate in the playoffs. Once you get your 7th T, you get a suspension, and every other one after that gets you another game. This will make it all the more critical to not waste games in the first two rounds this year.

I don't have a problem at all with this rule. Shut up and play basketball, and quit bitching to the refs.

But don't you have a problem with the fact that some people get away with murder and no techs, while others can't even smile at a ref w/o one (Sheed), thus ensuring that one team is more penalized than another just because they have a player the refs simply don't "like"?

Why is it fair that Miami will lose no players to suspension over this rule, while Detroit will, although Pat Riley is so much more obnoxious to the refs than Sheed?

First of all, I don't know if this rule applies to coaches or not. It should. However, it's ridiculous to even imply that a team should lose a player because THE COACH gets over the technical threshold.

And let's stop making Sheed the victim here. He's earned the reputation he has from the officials. No one would even care about this rule if Sheed wasn't on the team. This is all part of the Rasheed Wallace package. He's not changing, so you just live with it because of all of the positive things he brings.

OK, switch Pat Riley for Kobe.

Discuss.

Alot of calls I don't see in the replays either. It's fucking
weird. I don't get why the fuck Dice gets no respect.
It's not like he's a dick or something.

I couldn't agree with you more, and have been wondering the same thing for some time. If he is anywhere near anyone in an opposing jersey, its a foul.

What I can't fucking stand is Sheed getting a tech for not saying ANYTHING, and then I have to watch opposing coaches jump up and down, swear, walk on the court, scream in ref's faces, and NOT get a tech every damn night in OUR building.

Van Gundy, Riley, Jerry Sloan, Bob Hill (who tore off his coat and threw it - "the cause of riots in Detroit" according to some), etc. etc. etc. - no techs.

Rasheed "what did I do" - TECH.

WTF?!?!?!?!?

Then some officials are quoted as saying they sometimes T up Sheed merely as a preventative measure early in games, to control him before he even says anything wrong, and now our team is going to have to suffer from a suspension?

Bullshit.

If there's going to be a suspension for techs system, there should be a tech appeal system, where Sheed can argue he didn't deserve the tech so it shouldn't count against him.

Amen. Afreekingmen.

Sheed talks to the refs a lot, thats true. Most of the time hes just pleading his case. Most of the time when Sheed gets a tech he'll get his moneys worth. I'm not sure if it was yesterday or the day before that, but Sheed didnt say a damn word to the ref after a foul and he got t'd up. Thats a load of bull.

In fact, there are times when I wish Sheed would go off and pick up a tech, then come down and start abusing whoever in the post. This new rule is a bad one and needs to be taken out.

I wish Sheed would go over to a ref while an opponent was jumping up and down and screaming obscenities, calmly point him out, and say in a soft and pleasant, helpful voice: "aren't you going to give him a tech, too?"

This is an interesting question. Next time I am at a practice I am going to ask Flip if this is something that he is monitoring...I am curious to see what he says...

What I can't fucking stand is Sheed getting a tech for not saying ANYTHING, and then I have to watch opposing coaches jump up and down, swear, walk on the court, scream in ref's faces, and NOT get a tech every damn night in OUR building.

Van Gundy, Riley, Jerry Sloan, Bob Hill (who tore off his coat and threw it - "the cause of riots in Detroit" according to some), etc. etc. etc. - no techs.

Rasheed "what did I do" - TECH.

WTF?!?!?!?!?

Then some officials are quoted as saying they sometimes T up Sheed merely as a preventative measure early in games, to control him before he even says anything wrong, and now our team is going to have to suffer from a suspension?

Bullshit.

If there's going to be a suspension for techs system, there should be a tech appeal system, where Sheed can argue he didn't deserve the tech so it shouldn't count against him.

Amen. Afreekingmen.

Sheed talks to the refs a lot, thats true. Most of the time hes just pleading his case. Most of the time when Sheed gets a tech he'll get his moneys worth. I'm not sure if it was yesterday or the day before that, but Sheed didnt say a damn word to the ref after a foul and he got t'd up. Thats a load of bull.

In fact, there are times when I wish Sheed would go off and pick up a tech, then come down and start abusing whoever in the post. This new rule is a bad one and needs to be taken out.

lol...you guys are nuts...

Where are you guys watching the games from? YOUR TELEVISION AT HOME?! I sit behind the bench for most of the games and I can tell you that Sheed is doing more than just pleading his case. He stays on the refs non stop and trust me they warn him and tell him to cool it and calm down...then he will keep poking and testing his limits. Then a call will come and he will start cussing at the refs and that is when he gets hit. Trust me sheed is no angel.

What I can't fucking stand is Sheed getting a tech for not saying ANYTHING, and then I have to watch opposing coaches jump up and down, swear, walk on the court, scream in ref's faces, and NOT get a tech every damn night in OUR building.

Van Gundy, Riley, Jerry Sloan, Bob Hill (who tore off his coat and threw it - "the cause of riots in Detroit" according to some), etc. etc. etc. - no techs.

Rasheed "what did I do" - TECH.

WTF?!?!?!?!?

Then some officials are quoted as saying they sometimes T up Sheed merely as a preventative measure early in games, to control him before he even says anything wrong, and now our team is going to have to suffer from a suspension?

Bullshit.

If there's going to be a suspension for techs system, there should be a tech appeal system, where Sheed can argue he didn't deserve the tech so it shouldn't count against him.

Amen. Afreekingmen.

Sheed talks to the refs a lot, thats true. Most of the time hes just pleading his case. Most of the time when Sheed gets a tech he'll get his moneys worth. I'm not sure if it was yesterday or the day before that, but Sheed didnt say a damn word to the ref after a foul and he got t'd up. Thats a load of bull.

In fact, there are times when I wish Sheed would go off and pick up a tech, then come down and start abusing whoever in the post. This new rule is a bad one and needs to be taken out.

lol...you guys are nuts...

Where are you guys watching the games from? YOUR TELEVISION AT HOME?! I sit behind the bench for most of the games and I can tell you that Sheed is doing more than just pleading his case. He stays on the refs non stop and trust me they warn him and tell him to cool it and calm down...then he will keep poking and testing his limits. Then a call will come and he will start cussing at the refs and that is when he gets hit. Trust me sheed is no angel.

As in most everything else in life, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

1. Yes. Sheed is no angel and deserves a lot of techs. He never lets up. He's always on the refs, moreso than most in the league.

2. Yes. Sheed gets techs for no reason, because the refs feel if they T him up early, they won't have to hear his crap all game. This specific fact was written up by McCoskey within the past week. I can't remember the entire article, but it seemed to indicate the refs ADMIT that they T Sheed up for SAYING and DOING NOTHING, purely as a PREEMPTIVE strike.

That might be the case once in a while...before I would sit behind the bench I always thought that Sheed was unfairly treated...now I see what actually happens...and he deserves 90% of the techs that I HAVE SEEN this year...

Hey does anybody know that Muhme sits behind the Piston bench???

Did you hear 50 Cent was shot nine times???

Hey does anybody know that Muhme sits behind the Piston bench???

Did you hear 50 Cent was shot nine times???

He got shot 9 times? I thought it was 8 :?:

Once he reaches the limit I think he will chill out. Rasheed is opiniated, but not stupid. So maybe one game at the most...

That might be the case once in a while...before I would sit behind the bench I always thought that Sheed was unfairly treated...now I see what actually happens...and he deserves 90% of the techs that I HAVE SEEN this year...

People need to stop making Rasheed Wallace into a victim.

Rasheed is not a victim, it is just part of who he decides to be. And he plays better when he is emotionally involved. That way he feels he gets to play against the refs, not just against the other team. It's just SHeed, and without it we wouldn't have nearly the swagger and confidence we do now.

Darko is better than Sheed anyway. He'll light it up when Sheed is out.

When the suspensions start effecting his pocketbook, I think Sheed will tone it down a notch or two.

CTC, baby.

There is a 14 man roster now, not a 12 man one. Rule change this past offseason.

Max roster size didn't change this year. It's still 12. The minimum was raised and the injured reserve status was changed to inactive with more fleixible rules about changing a player's status.

Anyway, on the original topic, I believe as long as he thinks he has a "free" one to burn he'll keep drawing them then try to shape up when he's on the brink of suspension. Sheed being Sheed this effort will of course fail and momentum will cause him to get suspended for 2 games by the end of the year.

The combination of suspensions only coming every other tech after you pass the threshold and his sincere efforts to avoid them will keep the numbers from getting out of hand.

i'm surprised no one has a problem with the playoff tech rule.

First of all it's bias against teams that go deep in the playoffs. Could you imagine a player missing game 7 of the finals because he got a tech in game 6? Is that really what the league wants? No first round exit team could possibly have a guy get 7 techs, The only way a team could even be effected by this rule is to win a series or two.


I just don't get Stern at all, he has no fucking idea what his NBA fanbase wants to see. We don't want suspensions, we do want drama, we want storylines, we want physicality, we want attitude, so why the fuck does he try to weed that stuff out? Everytime an away team is introduced they get booed, but a player can't argue with a ref? FANS LOVE THAT SHIT YOU STUPID FUCK!!!! and it needs to be done sometimes too.

Darko is better than Sheed anyway. He'll light it up when Sheed is out.

Darko IS one of the all-time greats. You'll see that as soon as Flip is fired for being a racist.

There is a 14 man roster now, not a 12 man one. Rule change this past offseason.

Max roster size didn't change this year. It's still 12. The minimum was raised and the injured reserve status was changed to inactive with more fleixible rules about changing a player's status.

Which "in effect" increased the max roster size to 14. You can only dress 12 guys but you can decide which 12 you intend to dress a few hours before each game. That allows quite a bit of roster flexibility which will be advantageous for the D given Rasheed's penchant for getting the T.

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Inching closer to trouble

Rasheed Wallace was called for a technical over arguing a call in the second quarter, bringing his total for the year to 12 through 47 games.

And that's not good news.

He's in a higher technical penalty bracket, assessed at $2,000 for techs No. 11 through 15.

Wallace is coming closer to the 16-technical threshold, where he could get suspensions along with the $2,500 fine.

Every other technical from No. 16 and higher would draw a one-game suspension.

The fine comes with every technical.

The NBA has a new fine schedule this season: The first five technicals are $1000 each, and technicals six through 10 are $1,500 each.

Wallace's technical fine total stands at $16,500.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060208/SPORTS0102/602080426/1127

$17,000 in fines? [smilie=banghead.gi:

I think this is actually a good thing. It could force us to use Darko or Mad Max for a few games here and there.

Errr.....How is being forced to use Darko a good thing? I could understand Mad Max, and even Dale, but Darko?

Errr.....How is being forced to use Darko a good thing? I could understand Mad Max, and even Dale, but Darko?

More rest for Rasheed maybe?

Yeah, I know, but why Darko?

14 Techs.

The last two were the weakest bull shit techs i've ever seen in my life. They're out to get him.

The last two were the weakest bull shit techs i've ever seen in my life. They're out to get him.
Nah, once you lay down on the court they have no choice. The thing that did Sheed in was the way it was called. If they called a block right away he would have argued a little, but he would have been fine. But since they called the charge and then reversed it he over-reacted.

I don't blame him. Dan Crawford is one of the the biggest piece of shit loser scumbag low-lifes
of all time. He probably has no family and probably doesen't understand the joy of Christmas.

At this pace he'll miss 3-4 games due to suspension. How does they system carry over into the play-offs??

IIRC, you start fresh with four before the suspension. That system really hurts the teams that will go far because teams that are getting dominated or eliminated can start pushing buttons and such.

IIRC? What the fuck?







And once again, this rule was slated against sheed. This is lame as fuck. David Stern and Stu Jackson are dumb fucks. "Oh, lets suspend guys for having an opinion on bad calls.......You know, Sheed"

IIRC - If I recall/remember correctly.

I'd laugh if Rasheed, one tech before suspension, locks up and doesn't get a single technical at all for the rest of the season. unlikely as all hell I know, but it'd be funny.

Wallace, by the way, got some good news earlier in the day. One of his technical fouls has been rescinded.

The league took back the technical he received against Indiana last Thursday, when referee Bennett Salvatore ruled he "intended" to throw an elbow.

Wallace has 13 technical fouls, only 12 of which count toward the 16 needed to earn a one-game suspension. He got one technical for hanging on the rim, which doesn't count toward suspension.

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Excellent news.

Wallace, by the way, got some good news earlier in the day. One of his technical fouls has been rescinded.

The league took back the technical he received against Indiana last Thursday, when referee Bennett Salvatore ruled he "intended" to throw an elbow.

Wallace has 13 technical fouls, only 12 of which count toward the 16 needed to earn a one-game suspension. He got one technical for hanging on the rim, which doesn't count toward suspension.

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LOL@Pacers

Well, we can be sure that Sheed will be suspended for atleast 1 game.

Hopefully the NBA takes this one back too. That was a lame tech.

They'll consider it long enough for him to play the Hornets then decided to uphold the tech so they can suspend him for the Heat game.

I would not be surprised.

Just sit him for the Hornets game so he can have a 1 tech grace period for a little bit for when we play the Pacers and Heat. The Hornets frontcourt is so wattered down right now with injuries to David West and Mason. They ran out a frontcourt in their last game of Linton Johnson, Aaron Williams, and Marc Jackson.

In reference to Rasheed's question of why the hard foul on Ben Wallace by Tim Thomas wasn't upped to a flagrant, the ref said, "I didn't see it," to which Rasheed replied, "you always say that."

In reference to Rasheed's question of why the hard foul on Ben Wallace by Tim Thomas wasn't upped to a flagrant, the ref said, "I didn't see it," to which Rasheed replied, "you always say that."
yea reputation techs are shitty and hard to avoid. I doubt billups gets the same tech for that statement.

Do to the fact that Steve " I am the Show" Javie and his crew of ego maniacs were doing the game there is a chance a tech may be rescinded. Maybe not from this game but I have a feeling the NBA won't suspend Sheed for a cheap tech.

I think he'll be suspended actually. Only think in our favor is the starting five streak. However you have to back your referees, and Sheed has gotten off the hook enough recently sorta deal...

The thing that sucks is that Flip will play Ben 40+ minutes instead of giving Max and DD a little burn off the bench.

Is anyone in the league close to getting suspended due to techs?

Kobe has 14.

Nobody else has more than 10.

Kobe has 14.

Nobody else has more than 10.

Wow, he probably had to murder a few refs to get those techs.

Kobe has 14.

Nobody else has more than 10.

The NBA just recinded one for Kobe.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/printedition/la-sp-lakerep5apr05,1,2844884.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-sports


Technical Foul on Bryant Is Voided

By Mike Bresnahan, Times Staff Writer
April 5, 2006

A technical foul on Kobe Bryant on Friday against Seattle has been rescinded by the league, leaving him three, not two, away from an automatic one-game suspension.

Bryant was called for the technical after putting the ball in the chest of referee Greg Willard a little too hard for Willard's liking. A league spokesman declined to comment, other than to confirm that the foul had been withdrawn.

Bryant, who now officially has 13 technical fouls, will be suspended without pay for a game if he picks up a 16th technical. Every two technical fouls beyond that (18, 20, 22) will also result in a one-game suspension without pay, as per guidelines of the progressive technical foul rule installed this season by the league.

"He's got to show restraint," Coach Phil Jackson said Tuesday. "His last one was ludicrous. He's kind of like a marked guy now."

Detroit Piston forward Rasheed Wallace was suspended for Tuesday's game against New Orleans after picking up his 16th technical foul in the Pistons' previous game.