We could use a good possession receiver such as Avant, and yea he did somewhat dissapear in the Alamo Bowl, but our receiver core is far from solid.

It looks as though Rogers will be shown the door, so that leaves us with often injured and nonchalant Roy Williams, Mike Williams (who should improve greatly over the summer), and Scottie Vines.

Adding another receiver seems improbable, but maybe we don't go the free agency route or trade route.

Would Avant be a solid 3rd or 4th round pickup for us after we address the O-Line and defense?

And Will Avant be there? We sure could use a pair of guranteed hands the help out Joey if he is still around.

Why not take Mike Hass in the 3rd instead?

How about here's our WR core:

Roy
Chuck
Mike
Johnson/another Vet FA(what we really need, someone to whip the youngins into line)
Vines

That is 6 pretty decent WR's. How about we get another position covered before we draft another one.

No WR or RB in this draft.

OT/DE/OG/S/TE/LB are the picks we need.

Art

Charles isn't going anywhere and is poised for a good season, IMO.

Roy pisses me off with his inconsistency but will hopefully work on it.

BMW will hopefully make a decent tight end some day.

Scotty Vines is a fine 3rd or 4th guy.

Avant is WAY too slow (no I haven't seen his 40 time. But I've watched his slow ass at UM for years). I loved the guy at UM, but don't see him as a viable NFL receiver.

Would I take him in the 6th or 7th round? Sure. Why not?

Hands > Speed.



Art

Hands > Speed.



Art

Co-signed. Avants catches everything and that's a big Lions issue, no one catches anything. That said, we could use a back up running back more than another WR, we'd be better off looking at undrafted WRs.

If there is a good RB in the 3rd, I think we should jump all over it. Kevin Jones seems like he will never play more than 8 straight games, so when he goes down (and he will) we'll have someone better than Artose Pinner.

That said, neither of those are real pressing needs..DE/OT/LB are probably the most needed.

I would prefer the Lions found a guy like Sporles late in the draft to pick as our 3rd down back. Change of pace and good ball catcher, has some moves. Bryson and Pinner strictly one way.

I agree dont need a WR in this draft at all.

You got the trifecta that we need.


Art

I do not like the Avant pick at all. Sure he is a UM guy and I liked him a lot while he was here but the Lions NEED TO WORK ON CONTROLLING THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. Fix the offensive and defensive line. Then fix the depth at the linebacker position.

Once we can allow our QB some time to get passes off then we can worry about people that can catch.

youf ucking michigan homers crack me up. jason avant translates to a 7th round pick, and either special teams, or the practice squad if he's lucky.

somebody find out the last michigan player we ended up with, and how he's done. I'll help you out. he's slow, he has short arms. he's stupid, and he's our worst offensive lineman.

nobody from michigan who is supposed to be good, actually is good.

No, Avant is a turd...

nobody from michigan who is supposed to be good, actually is good.

Signed ~


David Baas Offensive Guard San Francisco 49ers

Tom Brady Quarterback New England Patriots

Braylon Edwards Wide Receiver Cleveland Browns
Jay Feely Kicker New York Giants
Larry Foote Linebacker Pittsburgh Steelers
Ian Gold Linebacker Denver Broncos

Brian Griese Quarterback Tampa Bay Buccaneers
James Hall Defensive End Detroit Lions

Steve Hutchinson Offensive Guard Seattle Seahawks
Marlin Jackson Cornerback Indianapolis Colts
Jon Jansen Offensive Tackle Washington Redskins
Dhani Jones Linebacker Philadelphia Eagles
Cato June Linebacker Indianapolis Colts

Ty Law Cornerback New York Jets

Chris Perry Running Back Cincinnati Bengals
Jon Runyan Offensive Tackle Philadelphia Eagles


Amani Toomer Wide Receiver New York Giants

Charles Woodson Cornerback Oakland Raiders

idiot. put their draft status next to their names. Rb's and WR's have alwalys fizzled and flaked out

tom brady doesnt count, he was not supposed to be good. you cant just put a list of michigan players in the nfl and say theyh're good. they all fucking blow.

i can probably pick 3 guys off that list that are worth a shit.

MSU = Studs in the NFL lmao

Flozell Adams Offensive Tackle Dallas Cowboys
Matthias Askew Defensive Tackle Cincinnati Bengals
Chris Baker Tight End New York Jets
Tony Banks Quarterback Houston Texans
Plaxico Burress Wide Receiver New York Giants
DeAndra Cobb Running Back Atlanta Falcons
T.J. Duckett Running Back Atlanta Falcons
Clifford Dukes Defensive End St. Louis Rams
Paul Edinger Kicker Minnesota Vikings
Renaldo Hill Cornerback Oakland Raiders
Mike Labinjo Linebacker Miami Dolphins
Lemar Marshall Linebacker Washington Redskins
Derrick Mason Wide Receiver Baltimore Ravens
Muhsin Muhammad Wide Receiver Chicago Bears
Julian Peterson Linebacker San Francisco 49ers
Ike Reese Linebacker Atlanta Falcons
Charles Rogers Wide Receiver Detroit Lions
Robaire Smith Defensive End Houston Texans
Jeff Smoker Quarterback St. Louis Rams
William Whitticker Offensive Guard Green Bay Packers

10 of those players are good......

idiot. put their draft status next to their names. Rb's and WR's have alwalys fizzled and flaked out

tom brady doesnt count, he was not supposed to be good. you cant just put a list of michigan players in the nfl and say theyh're good. they all fucking blow.

i can probably pick 3 guys off that list that are worth a shit.

Yeah...well save your 3 GUYS and count how many pro bowls and super bowl rings those guys have

i am not talking about michigan state. i dont give a fuck about msu football. this thread is about uofm football players going into the nfl.

i love how michigan fans get so defensive and they bring up msu shit, every single time their own teams shittiness is pointed out. instead of trying to argue the fact that their team is great (its not, and they know it) they just poke back to a team that is not supposed to be "elite" and point out the fact we all know.

Muhme is obsessed with MSU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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charles woodsen
ty law
steve hutchinson

the rest are hacks, or unprovens. considering michigan is an 'elite" program, you'd think they would translate players into the nfl at the clip miami or ohio state would

but you'd be wrong if you thought that.

I do not like the Avant pick at all.quote]
[quote=Biochemical Equation]
nobody from michigan who is supposed to be good, actually is good.

I was simply showing you that UM players go to probowls and win super bowls

If you're looking for hands, I'm with kdawg. Mike Hass catches damn near everything for the Beavs (mostly because he's their only offensive weapon). He's projected to be a borderline first rounder, but so was Swancutt and the Lions snapped him up in the 6th round. Best of all, Swancutt still has a roster spot. However, the loss of that 4th round pick is discouraging because that's one fewer O-lineman/CB that could be a Lion.

I do not like the Avant pick at all.quote]
[quote=Biochemical Equation]
nobody from michigan who is supposed to be good, actually is good.

I was simply showing you that UM players go to probowls and win super bowls

so do players from other teams

michigan is supposed to be elite. many of their players enter the draft and fizzle out. there are like 10 rb's over the past 15 years that were "great" at michigan, drafted in the first three rounds, and are now out of the draft.

qb's like greasy (lol) and henson put up a lot of numbers at michigan, and are either marginally effective, or hacks.

wide receivers. no comment. LMFAO

how come none of the talent michigan recruits, plays, and sends to the nfl ever turns out?

Cato June...Dhani Jones...Larry Foote come on man....

Just to refresh my memory...run down those OHIO STATE STUDS that are in the NFL

Will Allen Safety Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tim Anderson Defensive Tackle Buffalo Bills
Rodney Bailey Defensive End Seattle Seahawks
David Boston Wide Receiver Miami Dolphins
Drew Carter Wide Receiver Carolina Panthers
Brandon Childress Wide Receiver New England Patriots
Adrien Clarke Offensive Guard Philadelphia Eagles
Nate Clements Cornerback Buffalo Bills
Na'il Diggs Linebacker Green Bay Packers
Mike Doss Safety Indianapolis Colts
Simon Fraser Defensive End Cleveland Browns
Joey Galloway Wide Receiver Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Chris Gamble Cornerback Carolina Panthers
Terry Glenn Wide Receiver Dallas Cowboys
Ben Hartsock Tight End Indianapolis Colts
Kevin Houser Center New Orleans Saints
Michael Jenkins Wide Receiver Atlanta Falcons
Craig Krenzel Quarterback Cincinnati Bengals
Donnie Nickey Safety Tennessee Titans
Mike Nugent Kicker New York Jets
Shane Olivea Offensive Tackle San Diego Chargers
Orlando Pace Offensive Tackle St. Louis Rams
Kenny Peterson Defensive End Green Bay Packers
Ryan Pickett Nose Tackle St. Louis Rams
Ahmed Plummer Cornerback San Francisco 49ers
Robert Reynolds Linebacker Tennessee Titans
B.J. Sander Punter Green Bay Packers
Darrion Scott Defensive End Minnesota Vikings
Will Smith Defensive End New Orleans Saints
Shawn Springs Cornerback Washington Redskins
Alex Stepanovich Center Arizona Cardinals
Tom Tupa Punter Washington Redskins
Mike Vrabel Linebacker New England Patriots
Tyson Walter Offensive Guard Houston Texans
Jonathan Wells Running Back Houston Texans
Matt Wilhelm Linebacker San Diego Chargers
Dan Wilkinson Defensive Tackle Detroit Lions
Antoine Winfield Cornerback Minnesota Vikings



UM > OSU SORRY

GOD DAMNIT PEOPLE, Muhme, not your fault, I don't blame you for this.

But THIS IS A LIONS THREAD ABOUT A POSSIBLE PICKUP, NOT A MICHIGAN SUCKS THREAD.

Move this to the NCAA MSU vs. UM terrordome because this is bullshit, I asked if Avant being a later round pick would help, and then dumbasses like broncos and spartansteve start flame wars.

Discuss the fucking topic or shut the fuck up.

Avant will do fine in the NFL. Lots of "possesion" receives do just fine. You do not have to be a burner.

2 things make a good WR, good routes and good hands, ask Chris Carter.


Art

Avant will do fine in the NFL. Lots of "possesion" receives do just fine. You do not have to be a burner.

2 things make a good WR, good routes and good hands, ask Chris Carter.


Art

Also ask:

Jerry Rice
Terrell Owens
Muhsin Mohammed
Amani Toomer
Isaac Bruce
Keyshawn Johnson

GOD DAMNIT PEOPLE, Muhme, not your fault, I don't blame you for this.

But THIS IS A LIONS THREAD ABOUT A POSSIBLE PICKUP, NOT A MICHIGAN SUCKS THREAD.

Move this to the NCAA MSU vs. UM terrordome because this is bullshit, I asked if Avant being a later round pick would help, and then dumbasses like broncos and spartansteve start flame wars.

Discuss the fucking topic or shut the fuck up.

WAH! THIS ISNT THE CORRECT TOPIC FOR THIS THREAD. YOU'RE RUINING THE ORGANIZATION OF THE BOARD.

play with my balls you pussy

yeah, why do you fuckers always have to turn this into a MSU/UofM debate?
:lol:

Anyway...no way I take a WR until the 6th round. Period.

We need every postion except RB before a WR, why spend a 3rd rounder on him? I expect to grab a LB or OG in the third round after a OT and DE?CB in the first or second (depending on who's there).

There will be 50 free agents as good as Avant after the draft.

avant would be a pointless pickup for the lions and his value could or could not go up after the combine. its a lil early to make precombine decisions on who is going where in the draft after the top 20.

assuming we hadn't picked Mike Williams last year, I would say he would be a nice fit (Roy and Chuck as big play guys and Avant as the possession guy), but we don't have room for him.

Why would they pick Avant in the third when Millen will surely pick Santonio Holmes in the first? (I hope nobody already said that - I had to get it in before I read all the other posts)

Ok, now that I've read all the posts I see that I was far off topic.

Do I think Avant will go in the 3rd round? I have no idea. I've intentionally avoided WR when looking at the draft.

Speaking of Michigan, their OL and QB's tend to be decent, they can produce decent CB and very good LB. Yes, WR and RB has been a bust position for them. As a Michigan fan, even I would have to say Ohio State has turned out better NFL talent lately, but I think all schools have people they can brag about and people that are seemingly embarrassing.

The Lions could surely use a WR that is a possession guy. Not sure how they'll go about doing it though. I certainly think there are higher priorities. Possession WR's aren't necessary if your QB gets hit before he can throw it to them. That's all I'm saying. I wouldn't mind a TE being the possession guy either. That could kill two birds with one stone.

Yes, WR and RB has been a bust position for them.

No, not really. Amani Toomer has had a great career and so did Desmond Howard(as a return specialist). Tai Streets, Tyrone Wheatley, and Anthony Thomas have had a few good seasons in their careers. Braylon has potential to be a great wide receiver.

And none of our wide receivers have really been a bust since none of them have been drafted that high. Braylon Edwards is the only one who has been drafted in the first round in the last ten years.

Braylon Edwards is the only one who has been drafted in the first round in the last ten years.

ahem
http://www.raiders.com/images/pics/draft_woodson.jpg

oh wait you meant receivers...my bad :D

C-Wood sort of counts. :P

David Terrell was picked #8 in 2001.


Art

Thanks Art, you beat me to it. Marquis Walker wasn't drafted in the first, but he absolutely disappeared.
Sure, AT and Wheat Thin had some decent seasons. Tyrone is the only one that really made a career out of it. Biakabatuka, if I remember correctly, contributed his rookie year a bit but never again. Chris Perry still has a chance.
Derrick Alexander was a Pro-Bowler at one point, wasn't he?
Desmond was never what he should have been. Yes, he did some great things as a returner eventually (including a Super Bowl MVP), but come on, Michigan fans wanted more out of him than that. I think being drafted by the Skins hurt since they were so deep at WR at the time (didn't they still have Clark, Monk and Sanders?).
Anyhow, there are enough guys from Michigan to make an argument either way. Jarrod Bunch? Jon Vaughn? Chris Floyd? Chris Howard? Most of them weren't incredibly hyped coming out of college though.
And this is still way off the topic of the Lions and Avant.
Terrell is the one that hurts the most. I still believe Henson would be a decent QB if he had stayed at Michigan one more season and not had the time away from football, giving up baseball earlier. We'll probably never know.

umm jethro im sorry but drew henson was the most overrated thing to ever wear a wolverine jersey.

i felt brady was light years better than him in college and sure enough he turned out to show himself as light years better in pro football. henson was the first scrambling qb u of m had in a long time and because of that he was looked upon as being a possible playmaker. but the truth is that he sucked and even marcus vick is better than him.

i'll never for the life of me get the grotesque following he had in college for doing nothing.

I still believe Henson would be a decent QB if he had stayed at Michigan one more season and not had the time away from football, giving up baseball earlier. We'll probably never know.

If the Cowboys ever cut him loose I wouldn't mind if the Lions or Steelers took a chance on him. I still think there could be a chance for him to save his career given the right situation.

I agree on Drew Henson. I didn't like him at UM, and thought Carr killed the team and caused them to lose games when he would play quarterback shuffle and put him in games.

I agree that Henson wasn't used correctly. He should have never played unless there was need due to injury his freshman year. Focus on watching and learning, get the playbook down. His sophomore year, then maybe do the 2 QB thing, but I've never liked that. The injury to start his junior year never helped, but there are some definite things you can't argue with.

Terrell is the one that hurts the most.

I'm still scratching my head over how sucky he is as a pro.

They recently interviewed Jauron about it, and he made it sound like Terrell didn't work hard at all at first and was basically playing himself out of the league, then FINALLY started to put the work in and produce, and then immediately broke his ankle.

One spot that gets overlooked is how many TE/H backs UM has put in the league over the last 10 years.



Art

I forgot all about David Terrell. Thanks a lot for bringing him back up. :lol:

And no, we do not need Jason Avant. We already have TWO possession receivers in Roy and Mike. If we're going to draft a WR late in the draft it should be a speed guy.

Just because Roy isn't the fastest guy in the world, doesn't make him a possession receiver.

You have to be a reliable receiver, i.e. catch easy passes thrown right into your hands more than 1/2 of the time, to be considered a possession receiver (or at least a good possession receiver). Roy isn't even close to that... yet.

But he doesn't make big plays either, so what is he?

Draft specialty players late. I agree, the 3rd round should focus on speed.

Example: A small school WR who's fast as Hell can be picked up cheap and used for kick-off/punt returns. An extra 5 or 10 yards per return can make the difference between punting and 3 points.

Draft specialty players late. I agree, the 3rd round should focus on speed.

Example: A small school WR who's fast as Hell can be picked up cheap and used for kick-off/punt returns. An extra 5 or 10 yards per return can make the difference between punting and 3 points.

Eddie Drummond

Yeah, Eddie had an amazing year and I can absolutely see why he was holding out for big money.

Well, yes. Eddie Drummond does kick ass.

I suppose I was speaking of returners in general, or I completely forgot about Drummond. I mean, he's ONLY a Pro Bowler, right?

I'll never say which one. :oops:

Jeth: Blegh, he was awful this year, even though I know you're being sarcastic. You bitch.

I blame his agent for clouding his thoughts. Drew Rosenhaus(or whatever his name is) has a history of that shit.

You mean Drew Roastmyhouse? They should jettison him on that fact alone!

Next question.

cool, a jason avant thread made it 4 pages :?

Jason Avant is the shit, yo.

I didn't even know he was a Senior. :lol:

Draft specialty players late. I agree, the 3rd round should focus on speed.

Example: A small school WR who's fast as Hell can be picked up cheap and used for kick-off/punt returns. An extra 5 or 10 yards per return can make the difference between punting and 3 points.

Greg Jennings.

Drummond is a FA, if I am correct. And given his inability to stay healthy for a whole season, I would be wary about giving him a long term contract.

Jeth: Blegh, he was awful this year, even though I know you're being sarcastic. You bitch.

I blame his agent for clouding his thoughts. Drew Rosenhaus(or whatever his name is) has a history of that shit.

I'm glad I didn't have to clarify.

If you want another Drummond, how about Johnnie Lee Higgins, Jr., out of UTEP? Runs a 4.18 40, they say.

No WRs before the fifth round.