I am sick of the talk about him being so much different than anyone else, one of a kind blah blah blah.

He's a bigger Vick and probably won't even be as good and Vick isn't even all that good.

Vince Young throwing motion blows, he has some weird ass throw from the hip thing.

Vince Young will not escape NFL linebackers and Safteys as easy as the college lightweights. Rodney Harrison would of cracked his legs in half last night if he were out there.

Vince Young won't have the option or spread offense to run in the NFL.


P.S. QB's that need their legs to win a game have never won shit in the NFL.

I rooted for Texas last night but I am so tired of hearing USC was the greatest team ever, Reggie Bush was the greatest ever, Vince Young is an anomaly and everyone buys into this crap.

Agreed. I've said all along that his delivery will get eaten up by faster NFL D lines. But...

I'll have to admit, I'm a USC homer. I really did think they'd blow up Texas. But I've got to take my hat off to Young. His performance was simply awesome, more so because Carroll and SC had plenty of time to study Texas and their tendancies. Remember, this is the same SC that sacked Navarre 9 times, after Michigan had allowed only 12 sacks all season! The same SC that plugged Jason White's passing attack last year. It simply shows how much of a true athlete Vince Young is.

And, as a newly christened USC "apologist" (now I feel like UCLA fan), I'd have to say that Leinart and Bush going into the Texas locker room and congratulating the new Champs showed a level of class and respect somebody like a Marcus Vick could only muster in wet dreams.

If Young has great hands, I can easily see him as a TE in the NFL.

You may be right, but he has proven himself against the best tests he could in college. He has done more in his career so far than Vick ever did in college. The NFL seems to love Vick and maintain that he'll be a great QB. He's one of the 5 most electrifying players in the game. Hard to come up with any argument that Young will do less than that when he's done more so far than Vick did.

I can't stand how every successful player at the college level (fball and bball) is analyzed to no end by a bunch of people looking for weaknesses. There is only one way to truly know whether a guy is going to be great or not and that is to put him in the game and see if he wins.

So far, Vince wins and he wins by dominating. I've listened to people claiming Brees was too small, Eli wasn't his brother, Carson couldn't make the NFL throws, blah blah blah

Brett Favre is probably the biggest qb coach's nightmare, yet he's one of the best ever. Until a guy loses and fails, I"m not doubting him. What Vince did last night was earn the respect of every viewer in the country. Until he fails, he's getting my vote.

I am sick of the talk about him being so much different than anyone else, one of a kind blah blah blah.

He's a bigger Vick and probably won't even be as good and Vick isn't even all that good.

Vince Young throwing motion blows, he has some weird ass throw from the hip thing.

Vince Young will not escape NFL linebackers and Safteys as easy as the college lightweights. Rodney Harrison would of cracked his legs in half last night if he were out there.

Vince Young won't have the option or spread offense to run in the NFL.


P.S. QB's that need their legs to win a game have never won shit in the NFL.

I rooted for Texas last night but I am so tired of hearing USC was the greatest team ever, Reggie Bush was the greatest ever, Vince Young is an anomaly and everyone buys into this crap.

You are making it sound like Young can do nothing other than run. The comparision to Vick is totally wrong because other than running Vick can't do shit. He has a deep ball but his accuracy blows. Whereas with Young, he can actually throw the ball with good accuracy (albeit with a weird throwing motion). I think a better comparision would be McNair or Culpepper.

No Young is one of a kind, but it will take him awhile to adjust to the NFL since chances are he wont have a line like the Texas line.

No Young is one of a kind, but it will take him awhile to adjust to the NFL since chances are he wont have a line like the Texas line.

Read that sentence, and look closely at it's structure....

Is Steve drunk?

I should revise my statement to just simply say that I don't think his style will win in the NFL. I am not a big fan of the run first QB.

No Young is one of a kind, but it will take him awhile to adjust to the NFL since chances are he wont have a line like the Texas line.

Read that sentence, and look closely at it's structure....

Is Steve drunk? :D

what I'm trying to say is with QB's like him you need a good line to protect you, and all of the top ten draft picking teams have shitty O lines so he will probably take awhile to adjust to the NFL, but I bet he will have a breakout in his like 3rd season.





(Thats why baltimore shouldnt have won those games, he would have been perfect in Baltimore)

I agree with Gecko's most recent statement to some extent. Obviously a QB needs more than wheels. Vick has put his teams in the playoffs, but hasn't experienced any success there. The Falcons have a great running game with him, Dunn and Duckett. They don't seem to have any receivers worth a crap (Price was exposed, Crumpler is an above average TE, they've drafted some others but nobody seems to be that good - are they bad or is Vick way over-rated as a passer?)
If you look at other running QB's, the only ones to have won anything are Steve Young and John Elway, and they were great scramblers, not run-first QB's.
Vince Young would seem to be a run-first QB. His passing game is mostly set up by his running game. He draws linebackers up and creates a nice gap between them and the secondary, dumping a ton of passes into that gap.
He'll face some struggles in the pros, that's for sure. I used to hate on him a lot, but I've been convinced by the last few games that he'll find a way to succeed.

No Young is one of a kind, but it will take him awhile to adjust to the NFL since chances are he wont have a line like the Texas line.

Read that sentence, and look closely at it's structure....

Is Steve drunk? :D

what I'm trying to say is with QB's like him you need a good line to protect you, and all of the top ten draft picking teams have shitty O lines so he will probably take awhile to adjust to the NFL, but I bet he will have a breakout in his like 3rd season.





(Thats why baltimore shouldnt have won those games, he would have been perfect in Baltimore)

Kinda sorta. Bad O lines do pocket passers no favors, but a running QB could actually take advantage of a pourous Offensive front. Offensive linemen (if there are any posting on this board) will tell you they'd rather push forward than pull back, meaning attack rather than defend. With somebody like Young a team can have an empty backfield, showing pass all the way, and then attack the line and have Young run. He's built like a TE, so I'd think he can take a hit better than Vick, who nearly cried when Urlacher bitched him a few weeks ago.

Here is my take on Young.

I want to see him out of the shotgun and doing the 3-5-7 drop back and see how he handles passing.

His sidearm motion doesnt bother me as much as he has not had to read defenses much in college. Basically main receiver not open, pull down and run. He is 6'5" and Bernie Kosar threw just fine wit this motion.

Another point is that you dont get faster going to the NFL, you get slower, they nick on your ankles and knees, which will slow down a running QB big time. He is not as fast or as quick as Vick.

Young needs another year of college, but I wouldnt. His stock cant go any higher than it is right now.


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Young needs another year of college, but I wouldnt. His stock cant go any higher than it is right now.


The best analogy that I've heard on that is "when you are dealt a 20 playing blackjack, you don't hit and try to get 21"

He'll most likely leave for the $$$$ and high draft slot. Bush basically sealed the Heisman with the Fresno game. Young has done the same with the NFL draft.

I'd still like to see him as a TE, occasionally playing QB in short yardage situations.

No Young is one of a kind, but it will take him awhile to adjust to the NFL since chances are he wont have a line like the Texas line.

Read that sentence, and look closely at it's structure....

Is Steve drunk? :D

what I'm trying to say is with QB's like him you need a good line to protect you, and all of the top ten draft picking teams have shitty O lines so he will probably take awhile to adjust to the NFL, but I bet he will have a breakout in his like 3rd season.





(Thats why baltimore shouldnt have won those games, he would have been perfect in Baltimore)

Kinda sorta. Bad O lines do pocket passers no favors, but a running QB could actually take advantage of a pourous Offensive front. Offensive linemen (if there are any posting on this board) will tell you they'd rather push forward than pull back, meaning attack rather than defend. With somebody like Young a team can have an empty backfield, showing pass all the way, and then attack the line and have Young run. He's built like a TE, so I'd think he can take a hit better than Vick, who nearly cried when Urlacher bitched him a few weeks ago.

Fucking right on. Run blocking KICKS ASS. Pass blocking is gay, but as I'm also a DLineman, and that means you love going against the pass.

So from an offensive point of view I really hate the pass, I would use it as a coach, but whenever possible I would run. I would make North Texas look like Florida-Spurrier era.

My goal as coach would be to have 2 2,000 yard rushers. At 6 ypc that is 670 carries between your top 2 guys, so lets call it 700 rushes in the season. I could get every running back and offensive lineman to drool at the chance to play for me, and of course my D would be the shit, and it would be the most smashmouth team ever.

*stops daydreaming, decides MSU should hire me, and get rid of this sissy spread shit*