Fuck all the concerns about his throwing motion. Fuck all the concerns about his pocket presence. Fuck all the concerns about his arm strength. Fuck all the concerns about Vince Young.

I am all over the Vince Young bandwagon. He should be wearing a Lions uniform come next season.

and how do we go about do this drafting of VY?

theyre gonna have to trade a whole lot to get him now

I doubt he would want to play WR.

I think Young is a great college quarterback, but is a mediocre prospect. The only things on his side is athleticsm and a great body. He throws nothing but pitches, lobs, and floaters......which won't fly in the NFL.

I think he'll be be the next Andre Ware, Rodney Peete, or Tony Banks if he comes out this year. If he comes out in 07(which he will) with improved mechanics then I think he'll be as good as McNair in the pros.

But personally, I think Troy Smith is a better pro prospect. He looks so much like McNabb on the field, it's crazy.

The only way we get Young now is trading up with NO because last night performance increased his value ten fold.

I may even go as far to say Houston may be thinking twice about who they draft at 1. Last night against an above average college D that is no where as good as NFL d's Busk looked mediocre.

According to a value chart that most GM reference the number 2 pick is worth 2600 points. So let's assume that is the position we need to get to grab VY. Our pick is worth 1350 points at 9, our second is worth 500 points so we would need to trade them an 07 first and get back a 06 3rd for a deal to happen.

I think that is a steep price to pay for moving up 7 picks. Plus as stated in a previous thread it doesn't address the OL problem. To give up a second with our first this year could be the difference between drafting two starting OL players who help bring a foundation to the future of this team versus drafting a guy who may or may not be an NFL QB.

In all honesty last night's Rose Bowl may have caused Leinart to fall from a top 3 pick to a guy who could go as soon as 4 or as late as 18. It is even conceivable he could fall out of the first round if Miami, Ari, KC or Dallas feel they have bigger needs.

I am sure Leinart won't fall that much but last night changed a lot of opinions, and not just because USC lost and VY looked good.

Hell I think CB's cousin looked more like an everydown NFL back than Bush. I don't get drafting a hybrid with a top 5 pick but that is just my opinion.

I've thought for quite some time that Houston would go for Young.

He would sell a lot of tickets and PSLs down there.

They would just need to find a taker for David Carr, who is probably too expensive to be a backup.

Young is definately in the top 3 now, ahead of DeBrickshaw. No way we trade up for him. We'd be better off using whatever we'd trade with our pick for an extra late first instead. Then we can get a defensive playmaker at #9 and an OT with that pick. If you watched the game close last night, Young barely had anyone touch him. He'll be running for his life every night if Texas takes him. It wouldn't be much different here. He's good enough to still make plays, but he won't be a great passer behind a patchwork line in Houston. The best thing for young would be NO. Still close to Texas, a team with a big OL, and Pro Bowl caliber WR and RB.

If Vince Young was only 6'0, then you could criticize his throwing motion. But at 6'5, he can flick the ball like he does with his short release and easily throw every pass in the NFL.

I don't get the big fuss over Young's throwig motion. The only thing I notice is the fact that he throws sideways. But it didn't hurt his accuracy considering he was #1 in passing efficiency in NCAA without an outstanding WR crop.

Young is definately in the top 3 now, ahead of DeBrickshaw. No way we trade up for him. We'd be better off using whatever we'd trade with our pick for an extra late first instead. Then we can get a defensive playmaker at #9 and an OT with that pick. If you watched the game close last night, Young barely had anyone touch him. He'll be running for his life every night if Texas takes him. It wouldn't be much different here. He's good enough to still make plays, but he won't be a great passer behind a patchwork line in Houston. The best thing for young would be NO. Still close to Texas, a team with a big OL, and Pro Bowl caliber WR and RB.

Young's stock may be skyrocketing, but I don't think he's moved ahead of Brick. I think he solidified his spot as a top 5 guy. Actually, you know, I want to start another thread now. Stay tuned....

he will be gone before our pick.

vince young is the feel good story of the day. Horay. It's like saying "Wow, I just fucked a real hot hooker. what a great way to spend a thousand dollars"

while you probably feel amazing when you blow your shit all over her feet, or boobs or ears or whatever the fucking weird shit you wtf'ers are into, you wont feel real good tomorrow when some idiot fake texan in a cowboy hat and leather pants comes to your house, hitches up your green vw passat to his "repo wagon" and hauls it away, leaving you to your dads old ten speed, or hitching a ride to work with the guy next door who itches his nutts all the time.

vince young is the feel good story of the day. Horay. It's like saying "Wow, I just fucked a real hot hooker. what a great way to spend a thousand dollars"

while you probably feel amazing when you blow your shit all over her feet, or boobs or ears or whatever the fucking weird shit you wtf'ers are into, you wont feel real good tomorrow when some idiot fake texan in a cowboy hat and leather pants comes to your house, hitches up your green vw passat to his "repo wagon" and hauls it away, leaving you to your dads old ten speed, or hitching a ride to work with the guy next door who itches his nutts all the time.
Sound's like someone had a bad hooker experience!

All six of the last six Superbowl champs won with a pocket passing quarterback.

So you guys all want the Lions to draft the next Michael Vick (who gets worse each year and hasn't won squat in the NFL), huh?

Great. Its too bad Lions management is as short sighted as some of you. We'll probably end up trading a good draft pick for Aaron Brooks, because "unlike Joey, he can make stuff happen with his feet". "Stuff" of course being losing games.

All six of the last six Superbowl champs won with a pocket passing quarterback.

So you guys all want the Lions to draft the next Michael Vick (who gets worse each year and hasn't won squat in the NFL), huh?

Great. Its too bad Lions management is as short sighted as some of you. We'll probably end up trading a good draft pick for Aaron Brooks, because "unlike Joey, he can make stuff happen with his feet". "Stuff" of course being losing games.

I don't agree with the Vick comparisions at all.

Vick has a cannon for an arm but he can't throw for shit. Young is nowhere near the runner that Vick is but he is a much better passer (even with his weird throwing motion). Vick in his two years at college had a completition percentage of 59.2 and 54 while Young in three years has 58.7, 59.2 and 65.2%. Young is more like McNair in that he can stay back in the pocket and pass and use his feet equally well.

Young is more like Randall Cunningham than Vick I think. Bigger, stronger, not as fast as Vick.

Vick will continue to falter as a QB. He is slowing down. The NFL wears on the knees and ankles and a running QB who cant throw or does not know how to correctly is going to be a bad QB unless he can learn.

Randall learned how to be a pocket passer. Randall also had a cannon compared to Young.

Young simply should be a WR in the NFL. He could be one of the best if he did that, but he would be an average QB at best.


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Bottom line: Joey's a decent pocket passer - better than Super Bowl champ Trent Dilfer, that's for sure. Get him some protection and a decent scheme, and tell Dre Bly he will be suspended for conduct detrimental to the team if he opens his mouth to the media again, and move on.

Bad teams have been telling themselves that their QB is better than Trent Dilfer for years now.

Dilfer winning the Super Bowl has screwed the fans of about 15 franchises.

Dilfer should not be the standard by which Super Bowl QBs are measured.

Chuck Nevitt has some rings, too.

Bad teams have been telling themselves that their QB is better than Trent Dilfer for years now.

Dilfer winning the Super Bowl has screwed the fans of about 15 franchises.

Dilfer should not be the standard by which Super Bowl QBs are measured.

Chuck Nevitt has some rings, too.

Fine, then.

Sign Nevitt and let him compete with Joey for the starting job.

Problem solved.

Bad teams have been telling themselves that their QB is better than Trent Dilfer for years now.

Dilfer winning the Super Bowl has screwed the fans of about 15 franchises.

Dilfer should not be the standard by which Super Bowl QBs are measured.

Chuck Nevitt has some rings, too.

So does Darko.