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H1Man
01-04-2006, 07:02 PM
Rose Bowl viewer's guide

Win friends and influence people. Casually drop these bits of knowledge around your Rose Bowl party and you'll be a big hit.

Why you should watch

(Beyond the fact that this might be the greatest gridiron conflict in the history of mankind.)

College football owes this to you

Ohio State's win over Miami in the 2003 Fiesta Bowl was an all-timer, and Oklahoma's 2001 Orange Bowl win over Florida State, and Florida State's 2000 Sugar Bowl win over Virginia Tech weren't without their charm, but the national title games have generally stunk since the BCS was formed. Especially after last year's Orange Bowl between USC and Oklahoma, you're owed a fantastic game in the season finale. With all the hype and all the pub, this thing needs to be a classic.

Greatest season of all time

Arguing about the greatest team of all time is always up for debate, but the winner of this game will have finished with one of the greatest seasons in college football history, if not the greatest. These two, statistically and based on opponents and dominance, have had among the best years ever. A win over the other elite team would only cap it.

Name drop

Your mom knows who Matt Leinart is. These are the non-obvious players who might be household names by Thursday morning.

USC kicker Mario Danelo vs. Texas kicker David Pino

In a game as tight as this might be, the kickers could very easily be the difference. Pino, a senior, finally got the starting nod this year and has been a solid field goal kicker, nailing 12 of 15 tries with his range topping out around the mid-40s. However, extra points have been an ongoing issue, as he missed five this year on 73 attempts. Danelo, a former walk-on and the son of a former New York Giant, could be a major X-factor. He was rock solid this year from close, hitting all 10 of his attempts inside 36 yards, but he missed his only attempt from beyond 40.

Size vs. size: Texas defensive tackles vs. USC offensive guards

It'll be a collision of very large, very talented, and soon-to-be very rich young men in the middle of the line when USC is on offense. USC left guard Taitusi Lutui is the biggest of the bunch at 365 pounds, and he's also one of the nation's best run blockers. Ryan Kalil, a 285-pound junior center, and 305-pound junior right guard Fred Matua will also get long looks from the NFL scouts and need to come up with their best games of the year against one of the nation's best defensive tackle pairs. 315-pound sophomore Frank Okam is a rock on the nose and has quickly grown into a tremendous run stuffer. 315-pound senior Rodrique Wright is a likely first-round draft pick with his all-around skills. Look for him to be a factor in the USC backfield.

The Texas baby backs

USC's Reggie Bush and LenDale White are the marquee running backs, but Texas' young backfield should be just as productive. Speedy sophomore Ramonce Taylor has 11 rushing scores and became a steady, 14-15 carry back over the last four games. True freshman Jamaal Charles is tied with current Chicago Bears rookie Cedric Benson for the most touchdowns by a Texas freshman with 13. The most fun back of the bunch is 270-pound true freshman Henry Melton, who has the quickness of a much smaller back. The thumper tore off 432 yards and 10 touchdowns this year.

Texas tight end David Thomas

Texas' top receiver this year was its tight end, as Thomas had 40 catches for 525 yards and five touchdowns. A two-time first-team All-Big 12 pick, he needs to be Young's safety valve as well as a deep threat down the middle.

Texas strong safety Michael Huff

The Thorpe Award winner as the nation's best defensive back can play either safety or corner. Playing strong safety this year, he's a tackling machine who has to keep Reggie Bush from breaking off game-changing home runs, and he has to be flawless helping out his corners against USC receivers Steve Smith and Dwayne Jarrett.

USC safety Darnell Bing

A star from the moment he set foot on the USC campus, the 6-2, 220-pound junior will likely be a late first-round draft pick if he chooses to come out this year. The ball-hawking All-American will not only serve as a spy on Vince Young, but also wants to prove he's the best defensive back in this game.

USC wide receiver Dwayne Jarrett

Lost in the shuffle of all the Trojans superstars, Jarrett was the nation's best wide receiver this season and has to combine with Steve Smith to open things up for the ground game. The 6-5, 210-pound sophomore has 136 career catches for 2,002 yards and 28 touchdowns as Matt Leinart's top target. Think former Trojans star Mike Williams, but faster.

Stats and streaks

The nation's most efficient passer is ...
... not Matt Leinart. The USC star finished the year seventh in the nation. OK, so No. 1 is technically Arizona State's Rudy Carpenter after he finally qualified following his performance against Rutgers in the Insight Bowl, but Texas' Vince Young was No. 1 to end the regular season with a rating of 168.6. This will make it the second consecutive game the Trojans have faced the nation's most efficient passer after keeping UCLA's Drew Olson to 14 of 32 passes for 146 yards and a score, a performance which dropped Olson to third.

USC is 5-0 in bowl games when ranked No. 1 by the AP

* 1962 — The Trojans beat Wisconsin 42-37 in a classic Rose Bowl to finish 11-0.
* 1967 — USC beat Indiana 14-3 in the Rose Bowl to finish 10-1.
* 1972 — The Trojans beat Ohio State 42-17 in the Rose Bowl.
* 2003 — USC beat Michigan 28-14 in the Rose Bowl to win the AP national title.
* 2004 — USC destroyed Oklahoma 55-19 to win the Orange Bowl and the national title.

USC won the five games by a combined score of 181-90, or an average score of 36-18.

Fun stats

* Winning streaks: USC 34, Texas 19.

* USC has won 52 of its last 56, and 45 of its last 46.

* USC is 4-0 all-time vs. Texas. 1967: USC won 17-13; 1966: USC won 10-6; 1956: USC won 44-20; 1955: USC won 19-7.

* Texas is the only team ranked in the last seven final BCS polls.

* Texas is the only D-I team to win 10 or more games in the last five years.

* Texas has won eight straight against Top 25 opponents.

The scoring machines
Texas is No. 1 in the nation in scoring offense, averaging 50.9 points per game and beating its opponents by an average of more than 36 points per game. USC leads the nation in total offense, averaging 580.2 yards per game, and is second in scoring, averaging 50 points per game. USC has won by an average of almost 29 points per game.

The little things
Texas is third in the nation in kickoff returns and sixth in the nation in punt returns. USC leads the nation in turnover margin, taking it away a nation-leading 37 times and giving it away only 15 times.

USC in bowl games under Pete Carroll
Give Carroll and his staff time, and his team rolls. USC has averaged more than 40 points per game in its last three bowls, all BCS games.

Texas offensive line
The Longhorns line of RT Justin Blalock, RG Will Allen, C Kyle Sendlein, LB Kasey Studdard and LT Jonathan Scott has combined to start 150 games. This veteran group has to give Young time to work

Texas has gone 84 straight games without giving up a punt return for a score
The threat to this streak is Reggie Bush. You might have heard of him. 44 career punt returns for 559 yards and three touchdowns.

The main storylines
For a game that deserves Super Bowl hype, here's the necessary overanalysis without the four-hour pregame show.

Can Mack Brown win "the big one?"
His Longhorns beat Oklahoma this season. But does Mack Brown need to beat USC to finally rid himself of the 'can't win the big one' reputation?

Always dogged for failing to come up with the really big wins after losing to Oklahoma year after year, and after losing to Colorado in the 2001 Big 12 Championship when a trip to the national title was on the line, Mack Brown's team has suddenly become great against the top teams. They've won eight straight against Top 25 teams, including a win over Michigan in the 2005 Rose Bowl and a victory over Ohio State in Columbus earlier this season. A win over USC would finally quiet all Brown's critics who say he can't win despite all the talent he stockpiles.

Reggie Bush and LenDale White against a real, live run defense
While some have already put Bush in the NFL Hall of Fame, he still has yet to show he can crank out big yards against a talented run defense. He only ran for 27 yards last year against Virginia Tech and only had to carry the ball six times against Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. And the Texas run defense isn't as paper thin as UCLA's or Fresno State's. Bush will be the No. 1 draft pick, but White can also create a big buzz with an impressive game.

Potential for greatest QB of all-time status
Coming up with the greatest college quarterback of all time is tougher than you think. John Elway never went to a bowl game at Stanford. Peyton Manning is known as much for losing just about every really big game at Tennessee than anything else. Nebraska's Tommie Frazier led some dominant teams and has to be in the mix. And if you want to get pretentious and go old school, TCU's Sammy Baugh was college football's first great passer.

But Matt Leinart, with a win over Texas, will have three national titles to his credit, two BCS national championships, a Heisman, a 38-1 record as a starter, the possible all-time best interception ratio (1.83 percent with the top all-time percentage 2.12). As is, he's arguably the most accomplished college football quarterback ever. One more win would cement his place in history.

Vince Young isn't far behind. He's 29-2 as a starter as one of the game's greatest all-around threats. He's not only an efficient passer, he's also a Reggie Bush-like runner with 2,927 career yards and 34 touchdowns to go along with his 5,773 passing yards and 44 scores. Remember, he's 6-5 and close to 240 pounds. He'll likely be a top 10 draft pick, if not top three, if he chooses to come out early, but if comes back he'll be the favorite for the 2006 Heisman.

And finally ...

USC song girls

One final reason to watch the Rose Bowl is the USC song girls. They're next-level hot, but without the creepy, stripper-wannabe NFL cheerleader vibe. The over-under on number of camera cuts to them: 21.

theMUHMEshow
01-04-2006, 07:22 PM
Did anyone that heard Karsch's (big show on 1270) take on this today

Basically he was saying that this is the same as last year...

What makes anyone think that Texas this year is better than Oklahoma was last year? I think Oklahoma's defense, offensive line and Run game was better.

Artis Gilmore
01-04-2006, 09:32 PM
GO LONGHORNS.

Artis Gilmore
01-04-2006, 09:41 PM
TOUCHDOWN.......LONGHORNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

H1Man
01-04-2006, 09:48 PM
This game is fucking awesome. 8)

Artis Gilmore
01-04-2006, 09:53 PM
TEXAASSSSSSSSSSSS TOOOOOUUUCCCCHDOOOOWNNNN.

Holy Shit, what a game. I GAURNTEED USC WOULD LOSE.

H1Man
01-04-2006, 10:00 PM
Texas is doing a great job on Reggie Bush either by forcing him outside or by forcing him into help defenders. They are also doing a good job in taking away USC's passing game. White is hurting them though.

Texas is also being very physical knocking down USC players on their asses.

USC can't stop Young period. If only Texas wasn't a one-man team.

Texas got lucky on the touchdown when Young had his knee down. But that should be offset by the interception by Texas that was not reviewed.

SpartanSteve
01-04-2006, 10:23 PM
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DetTitan
01-04-2006, 10:29 PM
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/stevemorello/109965.jpg

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H1Man
01-04-2006, 10:37 PM
Man, these fucking announcers just can't get over a fucking blown call.

Even if they did call that, it would have gave Texas the ball on less than 10 yards from the endzone. With the way they were playing on that drive, they would have scored anyway.

But if they called the right call on the interception, it would have likely led to another score for Texas. At worst, it would have prevented the FG by USC.

However, I have a feeling that the media will be bitching about the first call for a lot longer.

H1Man
01-04-2006, 10:54 PM
USC can't stop Young. Period.

Score: USC 17 - Texas 23

H1Man
01-04-2006, 11:03 PM
Well, USC can't stop Young and Texas can't stop White.

Score: USC 24 - Texas 23

Jethro34
01-04-2006, 11:10 PM
Did anyone that heard Karsch's (big show on 1270) take on this today

Basically he was saying that this is the same as last year...

What makes anyone think that Texas this year is better than Oklahoma was last year? I think Oklahoma's defense, offensive line and Run game was better.

Like anyone needed a reminder why they don't listen to Karsch.

This game is crazy awesome!

Lendale White would be very smart to declare himself eligible for the draft about 5 minutes after the game. He'll never be as hot a commodity as he is right now.

H1Man
01-04-2006, 11:13 PM
If White does declare, I will guarantee that Pittsburgh will draft him.

Jethro34
01-04-2006, 11:17 PM
If White does declare, I will guarantee that Pittsburgh will draft him.

Did Pittsburgh acquire some earlier pick? No chance he falls that far. They're picking 28th and I can't see any possible way he makes it past Cleveland at 12.

H1Man
01-04-2006, 11:30 PM
Well there is Bush.

USC 31 - Texas 23

H1Man
01-04-2006, 11:44 PM
Texas sucks at hanging onto the ball. They are lucky that they only lost 1.

USC 31 - Texas 26

H1Man
01-05-2006, 12:00 AM
Young is carrying this team all by himself (with a little help from Thomas). 17 yard run by Young for a TD.

USC 38 - Texas 33

Now is the time for Texas defense to show up, they haven't done shit in the 2nd half.

PS These fucking announcers have a hard on for USC.

H1Man
01-05-2006, 12:07 AM
Great stop by Texas on 4th down.

Down 5 points with 2 mintes to go.

Time for a Vince Young comeback!

H1Man
01-05-2006, 12:10 AM
Facemask against USC. Gives Texas a much needed a first down.

45 seconds left and Texans at the 14 yard line. Young with a chance to make history here.

H1Man
01-05-2006, 12:15 AM
30 seconds and 9 yards to go.

H1Man
01-05-2006, 12:16 AM
TD Young.

Game Over.

H1Man
01-05-2006, 12:21 AM
Young runs in for a 2 point conversion.

USC has no timeouts left. 19 seconds left and down 3.

H1Man
01-05-2006, 12:23 AM
I am officially on the Vince Young bandwagon.

He threw 40 times for 267 yards with no interceptions and no sacks (No TD's either). He also has 20 rushes for 200 yards and 3 TDs.

I don't care how he throws or how he runs, he is an absolute stud.

H1Man
01-05-2006, 12:28 AM
Suck it SC.

Vince Mutherfucking Young owns all.

DetTitan
01-05-2006, 12:29 AM
What a great game. Vince Young was outstanding. He carried his team to the win.

D's Nuts
01-05-2006, 12:30 AM
Dear God-

How do you stop Vince Young?

Sincerely,
Everyone.

H1Man
01-05-2006, 12:32 AM
Everyone was wondering how Texas was going to stop Bush. Well where was Bush?

RegicideGreg
01-05-2006, 12:34 AM
UT sure had the pruning shears out but did have trouble blacking out White.

DetTitan
01-05-2006, 12:35 AM
Everyone was wondering how Texas was going to stop Bush. Well where was Bush?

Lendall white 123 yards and 3 tds Reggie Bush 80 yards 1 td. hmmm.

Bush did have 94 yards recieving though.

Moodini31
01-05-2006, 12:39 AM
I've never seen athlete like Vince Young. He single handedly beat the most talented team in the history of College Football! Corso just said he's the best college quarterback he's ever seen! IF WE WOULD HAVE LOST TO THE SAINTS, HE'S A LION!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAH!

http://images.sportsline.com/images/football/college/bowls/high01.jpg
:notworthy: Vince Young :notworthy:

MOLA1
01-05-2006, 12:47 AM
Vince Young > Vince Neil, Neil Young and Neil Diamond



UNFUCKINGREAL.

H1Man
01-05-2006, 12:49 AM
Vince Young > Michael Vick

theMUHMEshow
01-05-2006, 12:50 AM
It was great to see Vince do that too USC...because I sure didnt like it being done to Michigan...


and for the record...Last years Texas team was better.

BubblesTheLion
01-05-2006, 02:24 AM
I'd like to see him do that to the Bears Packers and Vikings 6 times a year going to Roy Williams.

ATLEAST I FINALLY PREDICTED A GAME CORRECTLY.
rough year so far :oops:

Darth Thanatos
01-05-2006, 02:26 AM
Vince Young > breathing

He's easily a top 5 college quarterback of all time. He single-handedly beat Michigan and USC, two FAR superior teams, back-to-back in the Rose Bowl.

Texas is BY FAR the WORST national champions in the history of college football. Vince Young is a hell of a player, but the rest of that team is not that desireable. The only reason they had such a great record was because they were facing teams such as Oklahoma and Colorado(twice). Replace Young with any other quarterback in the nation and they'll be a four loss team. Oklahoma last year was MUCH better than Texas this year.

Vince Young is the national champion, not Texas.

Glenn
01-05-2006, 08:05 AM
Should I post a link to the Lions fans saying they wouldn't want Young or Leinart?

Both guys are ready to play in the NFL right now.

Fuck that Saints game.

WTFchris
01-05-2006, 09:03 AM
Do you think White played well enough to be picked ahead of us? We wouldn't pick him anyway, but it could allow another guy to drop to us. I think Young played well enough to get picked ahead of Ferguson. Who's going to take the safe OT over Young?

Great game. Somehow I knew Texas would come back on Young's legs. It also showed how dominant their OL is. I hope we can grab a OT from there with our second rounder.

MoTown
01-05-2006, 09:23 AM
Everyone should have known Texas was going to win and here's why:

This is just like the Rams vs. the Patriots of a few years back. The whole Superbowl week, all we hear is about how amazing the Rams are. They interview Warner, Faulk, Martz, EVERY Rams player. They're all laughing talking about how great it will be to have another Superbowl ring. They end up losing to a Patriots team who they shouldn't have lost to.

I saw the same thing for the last month. USC has been getting all of the publicity. I don't think I saw anyone from Texas interviewed. Maybe Young ONCE. They even had a segment that compared the National Champions of the past to this USC team. Give me a break! I always thought you had to play the game before being the National Champion. Apparently, I was right.

Glenn
01-05-2006, 09:28 AM
Pistons v. Lakers?

MoTown
01-05-2006, 09:31 AM
Also a good example.

theMUHMEshow
01-05-2006, 10:52 AM
Dan Weitzel(yahoo sports) just said on 1270 that he spoke with USC defensive players last night after the game and they said they did nothing different to defend against Vince Young.

WTFchris
01-05-2006, 11:58 AM
they shoud have used a safety as a spy on Young. Clearly they were not paying attention to him at all times. On most plays the LB's had their backs to him the whole time. They must have played almost all man defense with their LB's.

Jethro34
01-05-2006, 12:03 PM
Did anyone that heard Karsch's (big show on 1270) take on this today

Basically he was saying that this is the same as last year...

What makes anyone think that Texas this year is better than Oklahoma was last year? I think Oklahoma's defense, offensive line and Run game was better.

Like anyone needed a reminder why they don't listen to Karsch.

This game is crazy awesome!

Lendale White would be very smart to declare himself eligible for the draft about 5 minutes after the game. He'll never be as hot a commodity as he is right now.

Come on people, we can't seriously let MUHME off the hook without a beating after these comments.

Fool
01-05-2006, 12:19 PM
I just hadn't been here yet Jethro, no worries.

Karsch is a complete douche and none of his incredibly stupid statements come to pass or are correct, "I want Eric Dampier!"

Texas not having a stud runner (other than Young) actually helped them in this game as it meant less chance for people other then Young to fumble the damn ball or not run past the entire USC team. Saying Texas was better last year looks like a weak and very obvious ploy to make Michigan look better. Regardless of what years team was better, Texas played better in this game to beat a 2005 USC team that was clearly better than a 2004 Michigan team.

I didn't have a rooting interest before the game but that quickly changed once Texas started fumbling everything (I started rooting for them because I didn't want to see a blow-out). Needless to say Vince Young is incredible.

theMUHMEshow
01-05-2006, 01:14 PM
Jethro I know you have some bullshit agenda to come at me......did I EVER SAY THAT I AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH WHAT WAS SAID??!?!? It was something to look at and get people talking about something. If it is stupid fine, I was sick of hearing the same bullshit about the two games...

DennyMcLain
01-05-2006, 02:30 PM
Everyone should have known Texas was going to win and here's why:

This is just like the Rams vs. the Patriots of a few years back. The whole Superbowl week, all we hear is about how amazing the Rams are. They interview Warner, Faulk, Martz, EVERY Rams player. They're all laughing talking about how great it will be to have another Superbowl ring. They end up losing to a Patriots team who they shouldn't have lost to.

I saw the same thing for the last month. USC has been getting all of the publicity. I don't think I saw anyone from Texas interviewed. Maybe Young ONCE. They even had a segment that compared the National Champions of the past to this USC team. Give me a break! I always thought you had to play the game before being the National Champion. Apparently, I was right.

Agreed, sort of. This was like last year, when everyone was on the OU wagon, with USC looking in. Unlike last year, this was a close game.

I still think USC is a better team, and will be contending next year as well. And here's why --

1. LenDale White will stay for his senior season, becoming "the man" in the backfield as either Sanchez or Booty fit into the starting QB position. Both are very good, but LenDale KNOWS here gonna get a lot of touches because of it -- and of course because of no more Bush.

2. The defense will be better. Everybody keeps forgetting, this is a YOUNG defense (and I don't mean Vince Young). That, coupled with key injuries (including leader Dallas Sartz), and it's amazing Carroll kept them togeether so well. Next years D will be older and wiser, and hopefully healthier.

3. Sanchez and/or Booty. Highly recruited, both with stronger arms than Leinart -- and Sanchez can also run. People thought there would be a drop off between Palmer and Leinart, and there wasn't. I believe the same can be said in this case. The first five games will be important (see above).

4. Pete Carroll. This guy is going to brush this off, and move on. He's collected one of the best recruiting classes, and with a deep talent pool practices are going to be as intense as ever.

Remember, SC still scored 38 points on a top ten defense, its just that their young and piecemeal D couldn't hold their own.

GotCrotty?
01-05-2006, 02:57 PM
Myself being the biggest Vince Young hater was actually very impressed with him, and I expected more from the USC hype machine.

I think Leinart is better and more gritty than Vince Young, and I think Reggie Bush is not as amazing as made out to be. Lendale White did much more for that team last night and he reminds me a lot of what Chris Perry was, except he's better.

If Young goes Pro, Texas will be middle of the pack again, maybe win the big 12, but have at least a 2 loss season. USC will finish in the top 10, I'm pretty sure with Bush and Leinart gone that will hurt, and give them 1 year and they will back for the national crown.

Being a Michigan fan, I can at least say, that Michigan gave both of the last 2 national champions a game.

Jethro34
01-05-2006, 03:27 PM
MUHME, if you clearly disagreed with his view you never made it clear. Why would you even bother mentioning it if you didn't think he was right on?

theMUHMEshow
01-05-2006, 03:35 PM
MUHME, if you clearly disagreed with his view you never made it clear. Why would you even bother mentioning it if you didn't think he was right on?

Because IT WAS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION to be brought up on this forum for all of us to discuss.

Jethro34
01-05-2006, 03:40 PM
So, will we have the misfortune of getting Karsch's take from you on every game we talk about?

Darth Thanatos
01-05-2006, 04:11 PM
Why are people acting like Texas has such a great defense? They play in the Big 12, the worst offensive conference in the nation.

Texas defense WAS better last year, and they made Chad Henne, a FRESHMAN, look like Peyton fucking Manning. And Michael Huff, the best corner in the nation this last, was raped by Braylon Edwards........not to mention Breaston and Hart had great games.

Texas defense has been mediocre the last two years.

Artis Gilmore
01-05-2006, 05:26 PM
I TOLD YOU ALL ON THE TEMPORARY BOARD THAT TEXAS WAS GOING TO WIN. I KNEW IT.