I remember the first few days of the realgm migration to wtfdetroit.com.

Every member of this site was tight knit and close. Wtdfdetroit.com was awesome, lots of fun, couldn't get enough.

More and more posters came, and I saw it become more and more like realgm. (still nothing as bad)

Then the site crashed and we all kind of fell apart, now I wonder if its as fun anymore.

I'm not saying the site sucks, or anything close to it. But I guess what I'm saying is it just isn't what it used to be. it seems as though there are a ton of arguments and fights within our group, and I just don't see this being as fun. Are there ways we can improve this, and I hope I'm not the only one who doesn't seem to enjoy this as much.

Thoughts?

Mr. Crotty,

Just to clarify, you are basing this on a week? A week where probably half of our regular users are still away from their computers for the holidays?

Also, do you draw a distinction between debate and argument?

We always welcome feedback threads like this, so by all means, let the conversation commence...

(p.s. check your PMs, thin ice)

Who is arguing? If it's me, you need to realize that everything I say is horseshit, and proceed from there.

Debate, argument, as long as the MSU and UM people hate each other, everything is alright in this world.


Art

:roll:

I have no idea what this thread is talking about.

I must have missed the fights between posters while I was spending all my time on the NBA forum.

If anyone disagrees with what you post then so be it. Who gives a fuck? It's not the end of the world if someone disagrees with you.

And if someone does disagree with your opinion why not try to back up your POV with better evidence?

BTW, I find it fucking hilarious that people are worried about posters fighting with each other when (last night) the Terrordome consisted of exactly one thread:

Attack the Poster Above You

I'm not seeing the arguments that are keeping this group from being tight. My best friend and I fight constantly about different things, and that's fine. There are certain types of fighting that are bad, but for the most part it's passionate people. That same passion is what makes this site amazing.

If we only agreed on every subject wouldn't it get fucking boring?

I hate when message boards have a "collective mind" I hated it at RGM too.

Just because the majority think one way does not mean anyone that disagrees is wrong.

If they can provide evidence to support their opinion and back-up their claims I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

If people just throw up their hands and get all pissy I will go fucking nuts.

You have every right to state your opinion about anything. But if you can't support your opinion with evidence then you're a fucking fool.

You have the right to free speech. You do not have the right to be taken seriously. You have to earn it

If anyone disagrees with what you post then so be it. Who gives a fuck? It's not the end of the world if someone disagrees with you.


very good point. since when has this been personal?..and why do people feel a need to feel like their word is the bond that holds everything together?

if we all agreed, this board would get a lil too dull with homerism rising to horrifically high percentages

I'm not talking about just this week guys, I'm definently talking about even before the 1st site went down, it just was starting to go a little downhill... that is only in my opinion and I wanted to hear all of yours.

Well, Ive forgotten about the old site.

I know the Darko subject caused a lot of that shit though because some were tired of it.

I'm fucking tired of it too, but if people stopped defending Milicic I'd stop posting about it.

Every other subject we're normal - no fighting and if it does happen it's over pretty quickly.

Maybe you just feel that there isn't much fun and games on this site yet?

I'm sure it will get back to normal as guys start posting more and more in the off-topic forum.

GC,

I think you should argue with DevinJubei in the
Terrordome and you'll feel right at home again.

GC,

I think you should argue with DevinJubei in the
Terrordome and you'll feel right at home again.

This may be a good idea, thank you for the input Mola.

No one argues with me because I'm right 100% of the time. So thus disagreeing with me would make you wrong. It's that simple.


Oh and fuck you Crotty, you're wrong.

It's the holidays. I don't even want to be on this board right now.

Peace.

this site rocks, no need for this thread. swat it

http://www.alleneasler.com/CF-McC.jpg

I remember the first few days of the realgm migration to wtfdetroit.com.

Every member of this site was tight knit and close. Wtdfdetroit.com was awesome, lots of fun, couldn't get enough.

More and more posters came, and I saw it become more and more like realgm. (still nothing as bad)

Then the site crashed and we all kind of fell apart, now I wonder if its as fun anymore.

I'm not saying the site sucks, or anything close to it. But I guess what I'm saying is it just isn't what it used to be. it seems as though there are a ton of arguments and fights within our group, and I just don't see this being as fun. Are there ways we can improve this, and I hope I'm not the only one who doesn't seem to enjoy this as much.

Thoughts?

I agree somewhat. The arguments/fights are ok but I think this site has lost its luster. I actually noticed this at the old site before it went down that people weren't interested in it anymore. I bet that 10 people post 50% of the posts and you know what their opinion is and it becomes old news. I also think that their have been a lot of empty promises with the multimedia/articles/pistons site that was promised back in the summer. New people don't want to post because they feel its like a 20 person inside club and they probably feel more welcome at realgm/pistons official board. If you guys think its only the holidays, then you're only fooling yourselves.

I also think that their have been a lot of empty promises with the multimedia/articles/pistons site that was promised back in the summer.

Thanks for your feedback, but to call something was that was never publicly announced or promised "empty promises" is not only a cheap shot and a low blow, it's not factually correct.

To set the record straight on this topic:

Are we working on some new ideas and enhancements to the site? Yes.

Were we working on them when the site crashed? Yes.

Are we still planning on implementing everything that we once were and then some? Yes.

Were any public promises or announcements about this made? No.

Any info that you have about this is because you are a mod and you were given some "previews" of the ideas that we are throwing around. Now you want to throw that out as a promise that has not been kept? Fuck that.

We've got a few other priorities right now, a week into our relaunch, smack dab in the middle of the holidays, than making the site everything that you want it to be in one day. Surely you have to see that.

To everybody else, once the holidays have passed and more of our regular posters return, we'll have some announcements to make about the future and direction of the site, stay tuned, we're just getting started.

I want to add that we were extremely grateful that you took the initiative to set up a temp forum for the WTFers, Cliff.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.....

This conversation is starting to get rough. All this seems to be to me is some growing pains. That's all.

I have no point of reference here since this is the only site I'm on or have ever been on....but the thing I like about it is that the community is a pretty familiar bunch.

If this site goes nowhere it's certainly not from a lack of effort. The kind folks that run this site have been stressing heavily over the relaunch....and I know it's been at the worst possible time, not only with the holidays, but with any other personal items that they've had to deal with.

Shit like this takes time....especially when starting over from scratch. The good news is that we already have a small yet tight community of users who are not only familiar with each other, but also gracious to new users. Hell, even that takes time. I was a member of the old site for many moons before I felt comfortable and was able to allow myself to contribute more. I'm certainly glad I took the time.

Cliff...this site needs you and your leadership. I know for a fact that these guys work hard and really believe in this. So....we have two choices. We could either bash on the fearsome foursome and hold them more than accountable for things beyond their control, or we can all throw in and help drive membership to the site and make it as good as we can. Besides....I would miss you if you were no longer here (in a plutomic way, of course).

Glenn....what can I say? I respect you very much but your comments seem driven by frustration. C'mon, dude. If you want to throw someone under the bus, throw Taymelo. Not only is he conspicuously absent lately, but he is also somehow responsible for killing Jesus.


OK. Now this is the point where I get slammed for getting in the middle. If anyone needs me I'll be hanging out on the hockey board with the crickets. Maybe I'll start making up hockey news. YEE-HAW!

Thanks Shug, good comments/suggestions.

Cliffy's one of my favorite posters, I just thought his criticism of that particular issue was completely unfair.

There are things about this site that deserve citicism, and those comments will be valued, but this was not one of those things.

We're all for open discussion, so that being the case, things will tend to get rough sometimes here.

You're right , it is frustrating when you trust someone with sensitive information and then they throw it back in your face.

We all just need to chill a bit. We're getting everyone back together, and then we'll concentrate on moving forward. Two steps back, first.

Keep the constructive criticism and ideas for improvement coming.

Why do I suddenly feel like I live in a van down by the river?

I know you're frustrated, Glenn. Keep on punching, Apollo. Cliffy is just mad because the hockey forum has found a new life without him. You know....hockey? They play it on ice with skates and sticks? There's a puck involved? Anyone.......?

OH FUCK YOU GUYS!!!

I like the new site. No complaints.

Cliffy has been pms-ing a bit lately, IMO, but that's okay. He's a very funny guy, and I'll take the good with the bad.

In theory, this site is supposed to be everything we've ever wanted -- all the people we like w/out the constraints and petty politics of RGM. No Howard Mass, no Cowology. Maybe we're inventing feuds to make things more interesting.

Familiarity breeds contempt. It's that simple.

Cliffy,

Thanks for everything that you've done to get us back up and running.
From a technical standpoint, you've helped out alot. I appreciate that.

Now if nobody else is going to say it, I will. You're being a little "funny
style" in coming with the same shit we were going to come out with before
our site crashed. I appreciate all of your help, but you've been acting
very shady lately about trying to come with this shit and become the
"Official" backup site. I don't appreciate your actions as of late at all.

Your WTF back up was tight. After all, this isn't called MOLA1.com.
This is a site for everyone. Iamme has put in the most work and his site rivals
detroitpistons.com even. He has us up there as the number 1 spot to talk sports
online. Why is that? Cause we have bells and whistles? No. The reason is,
we have AMAZING posters, some of which are great friends. The only 20
group we even remotely have here are old friends from TOS and other joints.
The other posters are stepping up so much that they've turned it in to a 70 group.

Our new site has been up for roughly a week and we're already slammin.



I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!! :brave:

Well I agree with Cliffy, I seem to have fallen a bit out of touch and that may be why i feel a bit disoriented while I spend time here.

There is most definently an inner circle though with the regulars, and it may just scare a few people away, who knows.

The first sign of a fascist dictatorship is circling the wagons and devouring anybody who may question the regime.













I'm just saying is all.

Cliffy,

Thanks for everything that you've done to get us back up and running.
From a technical standpoint, you've helped out alot. I appreciate that.

Now if nobody else is going to say it, I will. You're being a little "funny
style" in coming with the same shit we were going to come out with before
our site crashed. I appreciate all of your help, but you've been acting
very shady lately about trying to come with this shit and become the
"Official" backup site. I don't appreciate your actions as of late at all.



If I was shady, I wouldn't have made a blog and posted an announcement that wtf is back. I wouldn't let you and Glenn have admin rights on the forum. I wouldn't have signed up and pm kstat at pacersdigest.com to tell him that wtf is back again. I wouldn't have installed vbulletin just last week http://www.unclecliffy.com/forums/upload/ and asked you to take a look at it after iamme told me it was better than phpbb. I wouldn't have went ahead and found a chat server we could use for gameday chats. I wouldn't have found a good webhost for you. Sue me because I wanted to make a blog and post some videos/pictures on there. I wouldn't have done this if the site wouldn't have been down 3 months.

Please tell what shady thing I've done to you? The only thing I've ever asked for was to be able to swat posts. I asked one time in the summer and one time last week. I've never asked anything else from you. Unless you feel threatened by a blogI made that 2 people read? All I did was try to help. If you feel that way, then its too bad.

I don't agree. I've only been with WTF since the NBA playoffs earlier this year. Since then, there's been a slight drop off -- only because the Tigers and Lions suck ass. Mainly this is a Pistons site above all else, and the crash before (or right at) the beginning of the 05-06 NBA campaign couldn't have come at a worse time.

The "new" original site has only been up since the 23rd, and already more than 80 members have signed on. Agreed that most of the posts are by less than 20% of the list, but how many forums can boast a "100% contribution rate" of their members? Most would be hard pressed to come up with 50%.

A lot of the old was lost by the crash, but so too was a lot of the troll crap and bullshit (I refrain from naming name... *cough broncos cough*).

Consider this a fresh start. And I really don't mind if a small percentage of the members post, as long as the posts are of respectable quality, guests will read, enjoy, and sign up.

Your WTF back up was tight. After all, this isn't called MOLA1.com.
This is a site for everyone. Iamme has put in the most work and his site rivals
detroitpistons.com even.
this is true. iamme will soon only answer to Mr.D and we shall answer to him.

mark my words, in two years Jon hammond is going down in a firey grave that would scare mephisto himself with only imamme rising from his charcoaled ashes. book it.

The first sign of a fascist dictatorship is circling the wagons and devouring anybody who may question the regime.













I'm just saying is all.

i thought the first sign of a facist forum regime was getting your posts changed by moderators and the locking of every thread that goes into dangerous territory? ~coughing~rgm~ahem~... vegas nights are chillier than i expected. :D

Site is fine with me.

Iamme's site kicks ass.

Cliffy's site kicks ass.

Ya'll need to find a way to combine all of em.

But as far as this site losing its touch? It hasnt. The team is whoopin ass like a mother fucker right now. Not that much to talk about. Its only been here a week or so. Wait till some of those threads that made this site great come back. Wait till Glenn brings back his 3 pack or 4 pack or whatever he calls it. Wait till the photoshop contests come.

As far as cliffy and MOLA go. Think about it, you're grown men fighting over the internet. You're stealing the thunder of little kids everywhere.

As far as grizzy's database and all the vids & shit, that shit was starting to be planned right before the other site crashed. I'm pretty sure only a few people knew about it. It was bad timing is all. Thats why it seems to be taking for ever.

All in all. This site rocks. Keep it up, add more, if you need anything, I know my shit, Iamme knows his shit better, Cliffy also knows his shit. We got great minds here. Stop fucking it up over stupid shit.

Familiarity breeds contempt. It's that simple.

Agreed. Besides, last time I checked, you can still say "Your mom can fucking suck my dick." The day that changes, I'm outta here. Anthony's also right. Obviously, we're just taking time to collect our thoughts again. Nothing too big.

Familiarity breeds contempt. It's that simple.

Agreed. Besides, last time I checked, you can still say "Your mom can fucking suck my dick." The day that changes, I'm outta here. Anthony's also right. Obviously, we're just taking time to collect our thoughts again. Nothing too big.

Thin ice.

:wink:

I just wanted to make something clear...I'm not fighting, I'm just stating my piece.
Cliffy, your response makes a lot of sense but at the same time, I still think
you've acted weird about your site. Aren't I free to think so? I'm not sure if
anyone else feels this way, but I have a feeling a couple people here do.

"Has this site lost its touch?"

-- In a word, no.

Familiarity breeds contempt. It's that simple.

Agreed. Besides, last time I checked, you can still say "Your mom can fucking suck my dick." The day that changes, I'm outta here. Anthony's also right. Obviously, we're just taking time to collect our thoughts again. Nothing too big.

Thin ice.

:wink:

...but no PMs. :!:

From everything I've read:

There seems to be some issue between Mola and Cliffy that relates to Cliffy's back-up site.

Is this something you guys want to openly discuss or should you do it via PM?

Personally I think the 2 of you kick ass and I'm sure every single member respects your opinion.

And since you 2 are greatly respected no one will probably say this, but I will:

Shut the fuck up and keep your petty issues off the boards.

We have PM's for a reason and you both have AIM or MSN or some shit so sort out your problems there.

A bit harsh? Not IMO.

When I see 2 "leaders" of The Family going back and forth I'm not too happy.

This has the potential to flare up and create one of those "us vs. them" situations which results in some people leaving altogether, some staying and some going to Cliffy's site.

If you guys want that then please continue.

If it splits apart The Family then don't say I didn't warn you.

Where are Cliffy and Iamme's sites?

Link????

http://www.unclecliffy.com


http://www.pistonsbball.com

Clearly this is about me. I am back, little ones. No reason to fret any longer.

There there now.

All is good now that TK is back.

Seriously though..... Instead of saying that this site has lost it's touch, talk about what would make it better. What more could this site have?

If you have a better site in mind, GO THERE.

Frankly with Denny, TK, Taymelo, and others whom I find absolutely hilarious going at it along with the Knowledge of Pharoah, Cliffy, Glenn, Chris, and of course others.... I doubt you can find one.

Sprinkle in a few G brothers and Bammo!

This site was started to be able to talk Piston basketball without the bullshit going on at realgm and that's exactly what it is.

It's hard to do that right now since all posts seem to fall into....

1.)Geee, we won again.

2.)Man, Darko sucks lets trade him.

3.)Artest is a nutjob.

4.)Antoine Walker Will destroy the Heat

5.)One more bench player will solidy the Championship.

Thats really all there is too talk about.

Keep up the good work.

And, Oh Yeah..... The Hack is, in fact, back.

Ten days in, and almost 100 registered members.

Not too shabby, y'all.

If you rebuild it, they will come.

LOL@MOLA

"funny style"

It would be funnier if it weren't true.

talk about what would make it better. What more could this site have?

Disagreed - once you reach the point of having to try to make a board better, it's pretty much circling the drain.

Either a messageboard has the quality posters in place to make it good, or it doesn't. This is one of the few that does.

Let's not screw it up by "trying" to make it better. It ain't broke.

Gotta agree with Pharoah. If you guys have an issue with each other about this, you should settle it via PM's. Normally I'm all about airing it on the board, either here or the terrordome. But when it comes to the administration of the board, maybe you should discuss it privately (or at least in the boardroom). Otherwise you get people like me judging both sides of it when I have no idea how it really went down. We weren't part of the process of making the board(s), so we shouldn't be listening to any disputes about the process.

You guys are both cool and I'd hate to see anyone getting the wrong idea about either because we don't know what's going on.

As of January 3rd:

Site up for 10 days.

94 registered members.

19 with 50 posts or more.

That's about 20% of the total membership, responsible for 1832 of 2516 posts (72.8% of all posts).

That's not bad compared to other forums. Not great, but not horrible, either.

Losing it's touch?? To quote the pledge paddle from "Dazed and Confused" - FAH-Q.

The Pistons are just too damn good right now, and with the drama queen in NY, and the Darko Milicic horse beaten to death, what is there really to talk about. The sad sack Lions?? The Winged Wheelers? The Tig's epic off-season?? For better or worse this is a Pistonboard, and though the plans might be to make it so much more, that is not the case right now.

Y'all a bunch of drama queens. Take your emo-loving asses to PM's or the Boardroom. Fer crissakes...