We've all seen what happens when you play for Utah and you clash with Jerry Sloan (see Arroyo, Carlos). This could be the opportunity for Joe to act on moving Darko.

How long will Sloan be happy with a guy that he can't play more than 30 mins/gm, especially when that guy openly clashes with him?

Harpring wouldn't need to play nearly that much here, he'd do a great job backing up Tay, IMO.

DO IT JOE!!

http://www.sltrib.com/jazz/ci_3349506


Jazz Notes: Harpring calm after snapping at Sloan
By Phil Miller
The Salt Lake Tribune

HOUSTON - Matt Harpring might have gone to bed a little angry Monday night, but he woke up Tuesday with a calmer perspective: His coach was just doing what Harpring had asked.

The Jazz forward was enraged when Jerry Sloan sent Kris Humphries in for him just 33 seconds into overtime of Utah's 105-102 victory over Memphis on Monday, upset that Sloan would call a premature halt to one of the most effective outings Harpring has had all season. Harpring snapped at the coach as he walked to the bench, and Sloan shot right back at him: "I can't play you anymore."

Well, it might have been a little more colorful than that.

The reason for the benching was spelled out in writing: Harpring's knee surgeon had sent Sloan a letter outlining his recommendations for Harpring's activity while he continues to recover from April surgery. Limit his playing time to 30 minutes a game, the letter specified, and no back-to-back games.

Harpring had played a key role in the Jazz's amazing rally from 18 points down against Memphis, making five of his seven shots in the second half. But he had played 32 minutes - more than he was supposed to. Sloan finally, reluctantly, subbed out one of his most effective offensive weapons, then was shocked when Harpring got mad.

"I'm a competitor. I wanted to play," Harpring said of his challenge to Sloan. "Once I slept on it, I realized it's not his fault. I'm not mad at him, I'm not mad at anyone. It was just tough to sit there."

Sloan's reply: He thinks he had the tough part?

"I just go on what I'm told. Everybody wants to keep playing when they're going good, but it's his people who made the decision, not me," Sloan said. "I don't ever want to screw a guy's career up."

Juggling Harpring's minutes has been a challenge all season, Sloan said, and the forward missed Tuesday's game here against the Rockets. It's even harder when a game situation would normally dictate that Harpring stay in.

"It's not easy, because you've got the player upset with you, and then you've got people wondering why you took him out when he's playing well," Sloan said. "They say, 'How stupid can you be?' Well, I'm trying to do what's best for everyone."

Sloan was willing to live with the results, which ultimately turned out well for the Jazz. Humphries even made two clutch free throws with 1:49 left to pull the Jazz within a point.

"I would have felt really bad if we had lost. Winning heals a lot," Harpring said. "I'm trying to be smart about this. It's a long season, and it's only December. Hopefully, these restrictions will end soon. But I'm sure it's tough to coach while watching my minutes, and I appreciate it."

No hard feelings, Sloan said. "He was a little upset with me, but that's OK," he said. "He's upset me a time or two."

I love his game. He could back up the 3-4 and let Dice move to the 5 slot once in a while.

Plus we dont need him to play back to back or 30 minutes a night. He could get 15-20 minutes and be the main scorer with dice off the bench.

I still dont like Carlos running the 2nd unit. He has to hang on to the ball too much and while he might not have a huge amount of turnovers, he makes a lot of bad decisions.


Art

i actually dont care too much for harpring. has always looked like an underacheiver ever since his orlando days. but to each his own.

Love the guy. Rudy was born to wear that Notre Dame jacket, and Harpring was born to wear the blue and red.

Come on down!

I sure hope so. Darko and Delfino for Hapring and a future pick works for me.

Only reason I would include Delfino is that he has no minutes with Hapring and Evans backing up the 2/3 spots.

I sure hope so. Darko and Delfino for Hapring and a future pick works for me.

Only reason I would include Delfino is that he has no minutes with Hapring and Evans backing up the 2/3 spots.
see i think delfino is coming along just fine and improving gradually every game.

even on defense theres been improvement. i'd prefer Letting Delfino improve over bringing in the perrenial inconsistency of harpring.

just my humble opinion.

I agree ^. I would actually like to see Delfino get a little more time and I would like to see him out there with Chauncey and Tay maybe handling the point a bit. I mean if a deal could be made to get a vet true SF more teams would be more apt to need a PG which would make Arroyo trade bait.

However I would love to see Detroit get Harpring and a pick for Darko, TE and Acker.

I posted this in another thread, but it should go here too.

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Career 47.8% FG, 76% FT

averaged double digit points and 6 boards last 6 years

consistently averages more points per game than FG attempts

give him 8 shots and he'll get you 9 points

another outside threat to spread the floor for our bigs

I don't have a problem giving him 18 mins/gm

i never got how arroyo is a trade option even when hunter gets back. hunter cant run an offense so you would put the bulk of that on of our off guards or small fowards. its cool for them to help out, but not carry the load unless it was just needed via injury.

otherwise i say i'd pass on harpring and for the record he wouldnt get 18 minutes off the bench.

^all the deals involving Arroyo net us a PG in return (Watson, Dixon, etc).

^all the deals involving Arroyo net us a PG in return (Watson, Dixon, etc).


Juan Dixon is a shooting guard, and a really bad one at that.

the only deals I had Arroyo in was Darko and Arroyo for Mo Pete and James or Brevin Knight and Wallace

I want to trade Arroyo for a pg who I feel is under control. I just get this bad feeling whenever he is out there.

I also think you could run the O through Tashan once Lindsey brought up the ball.


Art

i never got how arroyo is a trade option even when hunter gets back. hunter cant run an offense so you would put the bulk of that on of our off guards or small fowards.

I think the reason most people see Arroyo as expendable is because Hunter needs a player that compliments him at PG. Hunter is the defensive specialist so it would be great to get an offensive PG or complete PG. Arroyo is a solid passer but only an average shooter and offensive PG. So if Detroit could land a Watson or James in a Darko deal I think it makes Detroit more dimensional and balanced.

Right now Arroyo is playing by default so when LH gets back Flip will likely stick with LH and sit Carlos because it's not like we can't live without Arroyo playing. If you have another option that is offensive minded it helps when the situation requires it because Chauncey needs a rest or is in foul trouble.

disgust

ummm JS, odds are any idea of us getting watson for arroyo are a no go(though watson really isnt a consistent threat on offense himself). and i wouldnt want chucky atkins back, errr i mean i wouldnt want juan dixon either.

i think arroyo will be fine. but thats just me.

fuck harpring

I agree that Watson isn't a great offensive PG. I think he is a more complete PG. He can hit three's and can score at an average clip but he also is a solid defender. Right now Arroyo is a shakey shooter and below average defensively. It's not like Flip can count on Arroyo to create a mismatch on either end, It's not like there is going to be a time when Flip is going say we need Arroyo out there because his passing will give them hell. Therefore I think Arroyo may get lost in the mix when LH comes back, whereas a guy like Watson wouldn't.

I think he is fine in the system but it's not like he is a threat to go off for 20, whereas Watson can. Arroyo needs major PT to make an impact.

you have more faith in watson than me i see. watson is better on defense, but he does not give people fits on offense IMO. in fact he's more wild than arroyo at times.

I'd take Watson over Arroyo any day. Our bench needs to hold our leads, not provide a spark. With our starting 5, we are winning when we go to the bench most of the time. So, we need players that can apply defensive pressure (while still scoring) and hold the lead. Dyess, Evans and Watson would be a great combination to do that (with 2 starters on the floor too).

That's why I have Arroyo going to Atlanta in a deal (darko thread) where he can freelance and set up JJ, Al Harrington and their other wing starter.

i have no problem with arroyo on our team. i could care less how much he scores. i think he's a solid passer and that you dont always get that coming off the bench at the pg position. i think he can be a great catalyst for mo evans, delfino, and dice when they all reach their collective peak.

Arroyo owns Earl Watson. I don't know where the hell you people came up with all these reasons why Earl Watson is better. Earl Watson is a good three point shooter? He's never had a season where he's shot over 35% from downtown. Good defense? WRONG! He's very small and any offensive point guard will abuse him in the post. To me, he's the same level defensively as Arroyo. Not to mention that Arroyo runs the offense much better and is less turnover prone.

I would be happy as hell with Harpring, but I think that he would want insurance of PT, and I just think it is going to be tough with Delfino, Harpring, and Evans ALL looking for minutes behind Tayshaun.

Fuck what I was saying, all these guys sucked including harpring. Shiiiitttt.

At least Harpring was calm.

See post #1

Fuck what I was saying, all these guys sucked including harpring. Shiiiitttt.
Back in 2006 when this discussion was being had, he would've been a fine option to backup Tay.

Maybe Flip Saunders wouldn't have played MoEvans at PF if he had Harpring...
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