I think Marquis Maze could've been a made up guy from one of mine and Mood's cheesewalter dynasties.

I think Marquis Maze could've been a made up guy from one of mine and Mood's cheesewalter dynasties.

Yeah, that cat would fit right in with Terrell Quarles, Onteele Washington, Isiah King, Solaris Moss, and Marcus Blades.

HAHAHAHA!

Don't forget Ric Moody, Jr. That cat was one of the most overrated CB's I've ever seen.

The other thing this cat has going for him is a cool name, Marquis Maze. It reminds me of the good old days when you almost had to have a tight name to play in Ann Arbor. You have to admit, it's pretty freaking tight when your wideouts are Amani Toomer and Mercury Hayes.

I'm struggling to make a decision on this one Jethro. Are those names really tight or are those names saying, "Hey, look at my name...my Mom is as ghetto as they come." haha

Okay, I've made up my mind. If I could be black, super fast, really tight, really rich, and have the name Amani Toomer-I'd take it.

That Jickboy pic is like a terrible highway accident. Absolutely horrible, but I just can't stop looking at it.

I saw this pic of the overhyped Jimmy Claussen on the Wolverine. The cat looks like an emu! Hilarious!

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Read some very interesting stuff in my Spartan Mag. These mags are always biased, but I've got to admit that the main writer in Spartan mag is brutally honest at times and hasn't led me to believe ridiculous stuff. For instance, he said State has no shot at Barksdale. (He also predicted Allen to FSU and Wash. to OSU before they announced) So he's not always blowin' green smoke. Take this for what its worth:

Mark Dell 4 Star WR Farmington Hills Harrison
"Dell is expected to make a decision before Aug. He has narrowed his choices down, but tells us that he is a strong Michigan State lean. The opportunity to play with Nichol could be too good to pass up for Dell. "Keith and I get along real well, it is easy to see why he's one of the best quarterbacks in the country." Dell was the best WR at the Nike camp in columbus and the best overall player at the combine in Louisville. Dell is faster, has better hands, runs better routes, and has a higher ceiling than Washington. He is currently 1 spot below Washington according to Rivals.com. He most likely will pass Washington this season as Washington seems to have leveled off and Dell continues to improve dramatically."

Ronald Johnson 5 Star CB Muskegon
"Nichol talks on the phone regularly with Landingham (4 Star ath. commit (scout) and Dell. But he has developed a close relationship with Musk.'s Ronald Johnson. Nichol would like RoJo to come to EL, but has never put pressure on him. Last winter, Johnson was thought to be a virtual lock to Michigan. Since then, things have changed for Johnson. Once confident, Michigan insiders have begun to admit that Johnson to Michigan is far from a done deal. Rumors have begun to surface that Michigan State has not only closed the gap in Johnson's recruitment but pulled ahead of their in-state rivals. The fact that Johnson chose to attend MSU's July fball camp while skipping Michigan's is a good omen for the Spartans. It also opened eyes when Johnson attended MSU's April 15th scrimmage instead of Michigan's."

Ryan Wheat (3 Star DT Flint Carman-Ainsworth)
A month ago, it appeared that imposting Flint DT Ryan Wheat was headed to Ann Arbor to play for his childhood favorite. But things have dramatically changed and it appears Wheat might be headed to EL. Wheat says he was told by Michigan that he would have a scholarship waiting for him if he went to the Wolverine's June Camp. But, the scholarship offer was apparantely pushed back to Week 2 of the high school season according to Lloyd Carr. Wheat on Michigan: "Right now, I am not even sure if Michigan is one of the schools I am looking at."

Hope this stuff isn't too biased. Expecting Dell and Wheat. Will throw a party if a shocker RoJo commitment comes.

Dell has been looking like a State commit for a long, long time. I'm actually surprised he isn't a commit yet. As for Wheat, I was pretty sure Michigan stopped recruiting him a while back. He hasn't been listed on any of their stuff in quite some time. I'm not saying that's why he's looking at State, but according to his quote it actually does sound a bit like that. Thank goodness Carr is actually backing away from a 3 star for a change.

The only thing on there that Michigan fans really care about is RoJo, and that would just be the cherry on top of a horribly dissappointing recruiting class that once looked like it was clearly going to be a top 3 class, if not #1 overall.

According to Wheat, Carr told him a schollie is coming this fall. There is more to the article. Sounds like UM is waiting on others first.

From MLive

Hemingway to Michigan
Stud wide receiver prospect Junior Hemingway from South Carolina will play his college ball at Michigan. With Michigan, South Carolina and Notre Dame hats laid out on a table for his announcement press conference, Hemingway reached for the Maize and Blue colors.

The four-star recruit had 52 catches for 842 yards and 10 TDs in his junior year.


yes sir!

That's a big one folks...

Marquese Slocum IN.

Marques...but close anyways...he is still only a partial qualifier meaning he still needs to pass his first year at UM before the NCAA clearinghouse will allow him to play on the football team.

While I'm happy to see another 4 star finally, I feel sad that I'm geeked about the 14th best WR. Just a couple years ago we had 2 of the top 6 WR's (Arrington and Dutch). Now we're at the point that we have to be geeked about a guy that barely made top 15 at his position? Yeah, I've been spoiled and I should just be happy about a guy with stats like that, especially since a lot of high schools don't throw nearly as much as they run.

Maybe this will make you feel better Jethro...

According to ESPN.com Insider Recruting, he is the #3 WR prospect and rated and 84/100. The #1 prospect Terrance Tollver is an 85/100, and Hemmingway is tied with Arrelious Benn at 84. Compare Hemmingway's 84 rating with that of some other guys, and what you get is the #17 overall player, and a guy rated higher than Ryan Mallet (81), Jerimy Finch (81), Dionte Allen (81), Ronald Johnson (81), Artis Chambers (78). So obviously the ESPN Insider (Scout's rankings I believe) thinks very highly of him and so should you.

Stars often don't mean shit Jethro. Like you said, Arrington and Dutch were top 6. What have they done for you lately?

I believe your boys Braylon Edwards and Mike Hart were both only 3 star recruits.

Well, if we're going to defend 3-star guys, lets talk about Michigan's latest. Another RB, go figure. Avery Horn from California. 5'10, 180 lbs, 4.4 40.
Here's his Scout.com biography:

Horn had a hugh year last year scoring 24 total touchdowns and rushing for over 1,800 yards. As a junior, he set the school record for the longest kick off return for a touchdown at 99.5 yards.
Horn has blazing speed and timed in at 10.5 in the 100m as a junior.

People do tight stuff on The Wolverine.

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Looks like RoJo will be at the Big House Saturday for the game.
I'm not reading too much into this. He camped at State instead fo Michigan, this probably means he's just getting his 2nd unofficial visit in and wanted to check out the other team now.
Plus, you would rather watch someone play against Vanderbilt than Idaho, wouldn't you?
Notre Dame may have been an option but they are on the road this week.

Note - expect him to keep a close eye on Ron English to see what kind of interaction English has with the DB's. RoJo is a huge fan of English and would be a commit right now if English were still the DB coach and not the DC. If he sees that English is still very active in working specifically with the DB's, it could help Michigan's chances a lot.

People do tight stuff on The Wolverine.

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Dank! That was tight.

Yup, RoJo will be at the game with Ryan VanBergen and Ryan Wheat. Aww dog, I wish I was gonna be at the tunnel to holla at those cats!!![smilie=damn.gif]

Rumor is that Ryan Wheat is extremely close to committing to Michigan State. His interest in the Spartans has been bumped up big time on Rivals above anyone elses. If the Spartans get Wheat, it is safe to say that they are dominating the 07 class thus far. Widely viewed as the best class to ever come through the state of Michigan, the Spartans getting the majority of the talent would be big for them.

On a side note, 15,000 people came out to see the Keith Nichol show last week. That's right, 15,000 people for a high school football game!!! He did not disappoint as he put up 5 Touchdowns against rival powerhouse East Grand Rapids. You gotta feel it.

Rumor is that Ryan Wheat is extremely close to committing to Michigan State. His interest in the Spartans has been bumped up big time on Rivals above anyone elses. If the Spartans get Wheat, it is safe to say that they are dominating the 07 class thus far. Widely viewed as the best class to ever come through the state of Michigan, the Spartans getting the majority of the talent would be big for them.

On a side note, 15,000 people came out to see the Keith Nichol show last week. That's right, 15,000 people for a high school football game!!! He did not disappoint as he put up 5 Touchdowns against rival powerhouse East Grand Rapids. You gotta feel it.

[smilie=rofl.gif] OK, saying MSU is dominating the 07 class is a little ridiculous. You've got a 4 star in Nichol, 4 star in Dell, and a 4 star in Landingham, and you are hyped about the 3 star Wheat?

This is from the latest edition of Inside the Fort on The Wolverine-"The second most high profile uncommitted senior from this past weekend was Flint (Mich.) Carman-Ainsworth defensive tackle Ryan Wheat. The question all summer long is whether or not the 6-4, 300-pound three-star prospect will earn the Michigan offer he has been waiting for. Well, Wheat did not bring tape with him down of his first two games, and that does not give Michigan any new information to use, but according to a source close to Wheat, the Michigan coaches did not appear receptive to him in Wheat’s eyes."

That's why he's all of a sudden feeling State. The Michigan offer he's been dreaming about is just not coming. And by the way, Michigan didn't even offer Dell either. So these cats can't be that great if they're in Michigan's backyard and they're not even getting offers.

If you would have landed studs like Dionte Allen and/or RoJo, then you could talk, but this sounds like serious cornbread playa.

You said that it is ridiculous to say that MSU is dominating the state of Michigan with the 07 class, then you followed that up by listing three 4 star recruits that have committed to MSU from the state of Michigan including an Elite 11 Quarterback. Huh? My excitement isn’t up because of a possible Wheat commitment, its up because he would be our 4th Top 10 recruit in the state of Michigan, while Michigan has 0. Where exactly does the cornbread come in?

I knew that Wheat was a Michigan fan and I posted that here like a month ago. I could care less if he dreamed of being a Wolverine. When Tyrone Wheatley was running over everyone in the Big Ten, did you care that he dreamed of being a Spartan but didn’t get an offer? He's not feeling State "all of a sudden." He has felt MSU for a long time, but admitted that he grew up a Michigan fan.

I think its funny that you claim 4 Star Mark Dell isn't a stud just because Michigan didn't offer him. They didn't offer him because he has been an MSU lock for a long time. He goes to Stanton's high school. Did Michigan want Taurian Washington? Well, Dell is now believed to be better than Washington and Dell is the Top Receiver in the State. There is no denying the fact that this is a loaded class and if Dell is among the best in this class, I'm pretty sure he's a good one. I'll take MSU's opinion of a receiver's talent over Michigan's. Michigan doesn't even use wide outs anymore.

I looked into Michigan's situation a little bit. Looks like they have Martell Webb coming in. Webb is a 4 Star WR who is ranked #11 in the state of Michigan while Mark Dell is ranked #7 in the state of Michigan. Yet, I'm eating cornbread?

Last time I checked, ESPN didn't air commitment press conferences for guys that "aren't that good."

I'll admit, State has done a pretty nice job getting some decent in-state talent this year, but this class is "widely viewed as the best class to ever come through the state of Michigan" for three reasons; Joseph Barksdale, Ronald Johnson, and Dionte Allen, not (#24 WR) Mark Dell and Ryan Wheat.

State has done well in-state while Michigan has recruited nationally with 5 star QB Mallett from Texas, 4 star (#15 WR) Junior Hemingway from South Carolina, 4 star Safety Jerimy Finch from Indiana, + Webb.

Michigan is doing as expected and State is setting up a nice class, but let's not fly off the handle.

I never flew off the handle. I never said MSU was outrecruiting Michigan. I didn't even bring Michigan up until State's success in the state of Michigan was questioned. I was just pointing out the fact that if they get Wheat, they are cleaning up with in-state talent.

I have to correct you though. You said this class is viewed as the best for three reasons: RoJo, Barksdale, and Allen. Nice Wolverine view. The top 3 players in the state according to rivals are RoJo, Barksdale, and KEITH NICHOL. I noticed how you conveniently left him out haha. I actually think it is viewed as the best for more reasons than that. I think it is headlined by the Big 4, but the fact that players not ranked in the Top 10 are receiving 4 Stars by recruiting publications is what makes this class special.

I've got to correct myself. Nichol is listed at #4 now. He was at 2 and was at 3 at one point. They keep switching them based on performances. However, my point remains. Leaving Elite 11 Nichol out is a little ridiculous.

I'll get back to you on this Tre. I have to find my article from last week in which Tom Lemming ranks Michigan's top players. He doesn't even have Nichol as the top QB in the state. I'm sure you'll love the list. And it's Lemming. Disagree with him all you want, but you certainly can't say he's biased toward Michigan commits vs State commits.

Ok, I was wrong, kind of. I found the article I was thinking of and it wasn't ranking the top players in Michigan, it was ranking the country's top QB's.
As you know, Elite 11 is political and the 11 QB's invited are not necessarily the 11 best. It's debatable.
Anyhow, Lemming is too, but he ranks the top 25 QB's.
Steven Threet from Adrian is the top QB in Michigan on his list, ranked as the 12th best QB in the country. As for Nichol? #22.

I could care less what he says. I like how the Elite 11 is suddenly political now that MSU got an Elite 11 qb. Got any proof of that? Where the hell does that statement come from? You are ridiculous. Within the last two weeks you've called Drew Stanton "whack" and now you are hating on an Nichol.

I can't argue with somebody that is so lost in maize and blue land that he can't say one good thing about a Spartan. Not even worth arguing, those comments are so far from the truth.

If he was a Wolverine commit, you'd be calling him the next messiah, or the next Henson...how did that work out?

Nobody knows how Henson worked out because Steinbrenner got to his head. Give him back for that additional year and let's talk. Let me see, Henson as an upperclassman vs John Navarre?

And since when did I say Nichol sucked? You act like I said my daughter was a better QB. I'm just giving the take of additional recruiting experts. Elite 11 has ALWAYS been politcal, we just never had a reason to talk about it before. Almost all recruiting rankings of any kind are filled with politics and bias. Some of us are used to that and deal with the fact that one guy puts Mallett in his top 10 overall while another guy puts him #48. Maybe you can mention something like that next time instead of saying "You always rip State because you only see your colors. You suck."

Yes, I did call Stanton whack. He hasn't won anything. Go ahead and call Henne whack, because given that definition it's very true.

Yes, I did point out that not everyone kisses Nichol's feet. On most lists he's not a top 100 recruit. If his team continues to pour on the offense that might change, but come on. I understand why you're excited because since Duckett and Rogers recruiting has been a struggle for you, but you're contradicting your own "number of stars doesn't matter" argument. You're starting to sound like a Michigan fan. hahahaha

You got the response you got because every year I hear about these amazing all world recruits that Michigan got. Check your pic. Carlos Brown, Grady, Henson, etc. etc. And I never say a word. I never hate on them. And so many of them don't pan out. We get one star and Michigan fans are trying to claim he's not the best qb, not a top player in the state, etc. etc. I've never hated on players I haven't seen in high school once you guys got a commit from them. I didn't hate on any of the hyped players listed above. It's like sour grapes when you are hating on a highly touted MSU recruit. I'm only going to hate if I've actually seen the guy play.

The reason I mentioned Henson in a cheap shot was because I heard about this kid for months upon months from Michigan fans. You should have heard Moodini and the Michigan crew about this kid back in the day. If you combine the conversations I had to sit through about this kid, I bet I logged days of Henson listening. His last year as a Wolverine he was outshined, outperformed, and outplayed by Bill Burke of MSU (check the stats). But I didn't hate on him when he committed, I just let the UMers enjoy the commit. I don't see the point in hating until you've actually seen the guy.

Are you saying Henson was a bust? He split time with Brady in '99 and we won the Big Ten and the Orange Bowl. He put up some of the best numbers ever for a Michigan QB when he was the starter in 2000 and he missed 3 1/2 games. He led Michigan to a second place finish in the Big Ten, a Citrus Bowl win, and then got stolen by the Yankees. It's not like he went to Michigan, put up some whack numbers and Michigan did nothing while he was there.

Back to what we were talking about. I'm not going to hate on Nichol because I haven't seen him play, but he's not a on the level ofl RoJo, Barksdale, and Allen nationally.

State got a commitment from Ryan Wheat this weekend along with the Korie Lucious commitment. Wheat is Top 10 in the state of Michigan which is huge in this class.

That makes 4 Top 10 players. I'm loving their recruiting. Man, if it wasn't for the mental collapse this weekend, things would be great.

State got a commitment from Ryan Wheat this weekend along with the Korie Lucious commitment. Wheat is Top 10 in the state of Michigan which is huge in this class.

That makes 4 Top 10 players. I'm loving their recruiting. Man, if it wasn't for the mental collapse this weekend, things would be great.

State football is like the Lions. It doesn't matter who they bring in to play, coach, AD or whatever, nothing changes. It gotta give you credit for staying the course. I'd have been out of that circus a long time ago.

Correct me if I'm wrong: You ARE a Michigan Basketball fan right?

Correct me if I'm wrong: You ARE a Michigan Basketball fan right?

Yeah, somewhat.

My point is, it is the same thing. Somehow we stay fans.

This post is monumental though! "Somewhat" Wow, you didn't seem like somewhat of a fan last year when you were talking trash during bball season. I guess we won't be hearing anymore of that bball talk since you are "somewhat" of a fan. damn.

Michigan State had a really big weekend from a recruiting standpoint. Although MSU lost, the atmosphere impressed many recruits and they picked up another one.

Corey Johnson who according to Rivals is the Top Junior Wide Receiver in the state of Michigan. I'm not all impressed by 40 time though, so I guess we'll see on this one.

The big deal with Corey Johnson is that his brother in Ronald. Many think that State getting Corey will help them with his brother. I surely hope not.

You hit it right on the head Jethro!!!!!!!! I wasn't even going to mention it. I was thinking if RoJo committed, it would shock the Wolverines here. I didn't want to let that tid bit slide into our conversation. MSU is definately using it as a way to get RoJo.

I looked at RoJo as a 80% UofM commit, however this changes things dramatically. I can't see him going to the opposite school as his brother. It has happened, but this really helps State's cause.

RoJo did tell John L. that 8-9 wins would convince him that things are going in the right direction and it might convince him to attend. That's why every win is so big for the future.

I'm not saying he's going to State, but I just get the feeling that RoJo is not going to commit to the maize and blue, way too many "lukewarm" comments. I hope I'm wrong.

The rumors are already getting hot. An article just went up on Scout about RoJo following his brother. Man, I'm getting really excited about the possibility! IF we could get the #1 player in the State and add that to the 4 Top 10 guys we've already got...the class would look stellar!

RoJo was there on Saturday. Sucks that State blew such an impressive showing. Pulling it out could have helped sway him.

I think that there are 3 teams in on RoJo right now:

USC
MSU
ND

I think that ND is a reasonably far back 3rd. I think that USC and MSU(with the possiblity of OSU dropping in on it) are the most likely options. It comes down to if he likes winning or his brother/family more. But he should be able to fix that 1st part, and play, A LOT.

LOL....UM not even in his final 3 huh?

He will be blue, and you can take that to the bank.

LOL....UM not even in his final 3 huh?

He will be blue, and you can take that to the bank.

Because he loves his bro' being trashed by their fanbase?

Because he hasn't 'really' liked any visits there?

Because he wants to play against his brother?

Because HE has never actually listed them as a leader?

What is your reasoning, I guess he may go there, I doubt it personally, but they have been heavily involved for a long time I guess. I think if he stays local he'll be playing with his brother, he also may leave the state, though.

I have no confidence that MSU will get him, but I don't see what would lead to him going to UM, maybe I'm a fool.

LOL....UM not even in his final 3 huh?

He will be blue, and you can take that to the bank.

I hope you're right "Jickboy". [smilie=lmao.gif]

LOL....UM not even in his final 3 huh?

He will be blue, and you can take that to the bank.

Wow, bold.

Has anyone considered how big the UM/MSU game might be for the recruitment of RoJo? If he is wavering between the two, the outcome might push him a little in one direction.

MSU wins- RoJo realizes the program might be making a step up and he decides to play with his brother.

UM wins- RoJo realizes nothing has changed, UM is the fball school in Michigan.

The thing I'm having a hard time believing with him possibly going to Michigan is the brother aspect. Seeing that RoJo will be a DB and his brother will be a WR, RoJo would have to play against his brother and actually cover him. I can't see him wanting to do that. It has to have crossed his mind if he is indeed a UM lock like JickBoy stated.

Realize that the brother thing has happened before.

The Allison brothers - one is a Wolverine, one is a Spartan.

Consider the Massey's at Michigan. Pat and Mike had an older brother and a dad that played. One at Notre Dame, one at Ohio State.

That doesn't mean that the Johnsons will do the same thing as the people I mentioned, but if they play against each other it certainly wouldn't be unprecidented.

My hope? Rojo comes to Michigan and convinces little bro before Signing Day 08 that he should join him in AA.

By the way, this statement:

UM is the fball school in Michigan
has come a long way since the "We can hang in your sport, can you hang in ours?" days.

Has anyone considered how big the UM/MSU game might be for the recruitment of RoJo? If he is wavering between the two, the outcome might push him a little in one direction.

MSU wins- RoJo realizes the program might be making a step up and he decides to play with his brother.

UM wins- RoJo realizes nothing has changed, UM is the fball school in Michigan.

The thing I'm having a hard time believing with him possibly going to Michigan is the brother aspect. Seeing that RoJo will be a DB and his brother will be a WR, RoJo would have to play against his brother and actually cover him. I can't see him wanting to do that. It has to have crossed his mind if he is indeed a UM lock like JickBoy stated.

Good eye Jethro, and this is what I found on The Wolverine-
Another Michigan - MSU battle for an instate player appeared to heat up this week when five-star cornerback Ronald Johnson’s younger brother committed to the Spartans after their loss to Notre Dame. While that caused some trepidation among Michigan fans, who sense the Wolverines have the best shot at RoJo, it is not as much of a factor as you might think. Ronald stated over the summer that what is good for Corey is not necessarily what is good for him and has maintained that stance since the commitment.

All in all, this may be a slight positive for Michigan. Ronald is intent that Corey’s decision will not affect his decision, but what could have happened had Corey not committed is Ronald playing the process out longer to make sure his brother got the attention necessary to earn additional scholarship offers. Now that Corey has pledged to the Spartans, Ronald doesn’t have those worries about his brother’s future.

While it obviously isn't as strong, it's also interesting when you consider that RoJo supposedly wanted to play with Dionte Allen, as did Taurian Washington. There was even some talk that they would both end up at the same school as Kalin Lucas. Well, the 3 of them are at 3 different schools next year, and only the one with Lucas, who has zero Rojo ties, is much of a possiblity for Rojo. (did that confuse anyone else?)
Actually, a part of me hasn't even closed the book on Allen. I'm still convinced that if Rojo commits to U-M that he might get Allen's attention (especially if U-M has a dreamy season and FSU stunks it up). Allen has always been a Seminole fan, but I'm not positive that he wouldn't end up at U-M when all is said and done.
By the way, Rojo has actually made positive comments about U-M. He was very excited about the way Michigans defense got after Notre Dame. He loves aggressive play and loves English being involved with the secondary. If the Wolverine defense continues to light it up, and English is clearly active with the secondary, that can only help.
Meanwhile, it is hard to imagine why he would be interested in playing for State if they don't change things up defensively. Wiley and Warrick are nice players and help State look a little respectable at times, but if the defensive coaching isn't much better it would still be a tough sell.
The thing that is horribly against Michigan is that damned prevent defense they have used at times. It's crap, and it's clear from Rojo's comments that he's the type of player that wants to kick a team while it's down and blitz all day.

My "We can hang in your sport, can you hang in ours?" slogan hasn't changed. I still feel that we can hang in football. I just wish State would beat the teams they should along with taking Michigan down to the wire. UM proved they can hang with State in basketball, if given 57 calls in their favor. When fairly officiated, we saw the 20 point drubbing reality check. haha jk, well, sort of

I take "The Wolverine" comments with a grain of salt. I've actually read articles from "The Spartan" that didn't favor State. I've never read a single article or quote from "The Wolverine" that didn't paint a glorious UM picture. Maybe they are right, but I sift through the crap and look for facts. Quotes are good.

The thing that State has to sell to RoJo is instant playing time. Starting from day 1. I believe that MSU's defensive play calling has been bad in the past. But, I like their new scheme. They just need more players. They need playmakers on D and now that they've gotten a few (Warrick and Wiley), their D is better.

But, I like their new scheme. They just need more players. They need playmakers on D and now that they've gotten a few (Warrick and Wiley), their D is better.

Maybe RoJo can play "Bandit". What is that?:rolleyes:

I just got my new issue of The Wolverine (Manningham on the cover) and I was checking out the recruiting section. Tom Lemming ranked the top 25 TE's in the country and he has Michigan commit Martell Webb at #3. Listen to what he has to say, kinda caught me off guard.

"He plays wide receiver, but he'll wind up as a tight end. He should be about 240, 250 pounds in college. He can run, has huge hands, catches everything within reach, and doesn't drop a pass. He and Joe Barksdale, the defensive tackle from Detroit, are the top two players in Michigan. He's a five-star player. I'm the only recruiting service that has him that high, but I'm probably the only one that's actually seen him play. He's a great catch for the Wolverines.

http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/PROSPECT/PHOTO/MARTELLWEBB9_4150.JPG
I feeeeel it! [smilie=clappy.gif]

State got a commitment from Ryan Wheat this weekend

Can't wait for those Creamed Wheat jokes once the child get knocked senseless by Big Blue.

.....

It's not that I'm a Meeechigan apologist -- but they BEAT ND, and you didn't, and since I'm an SC homer, well, there you go.

Sincerely,

OJ

That's great info about Webb, but it actually isn't working in our favor right now. Fact is, Webb is a soft commit now because there is talk that State would let him play hoops as well. I thought Michigan had the same offer on the table, but apparently not.
That being said, I'm not sure why he would let that persuade him to go to State. Football is clearly his #1 sport, and Michigan would be the better school for that. As for hoops, while State is better, they're also loaded. If Michigan allows him to play hoop, that's where he would get PT. State just doesn't have the minutes to give him.

By the way, while this isn't really a recruiting issue, Michigan is losing a player to a transfer and there is news on one of their previous transfers.
Both have to do with RB's that were at the bottom of the depth chart.
Current Wolverine Mister Simpson is heading to Cincinatti. Not a big loss, though it hurts to recruiting of future players from his HS (not as much of an issue anyhow since the primary target there was Eugene Clifford and he verbaled to Ohio State).
Previous RB transfer, Max Martin, has been dismissed from the team in Alabama for breaking undisclosed team rules.

The good news? Michigan gets more scholarships when guys like this leave. It's nice to bring them in since you never know who will be the better player (Martin was a 5-star TB but he fumbled every other carry, Simpson was a 4-star but he was considered the nation's 2nd best FB and he wanted to play TB) but once the cream rises to the top, you might as well cut guys loose when you're 5 or 6 deep and bring in another guy the following year that can make an impact.
It's a win-win for the school and the player. Any time a player is let go from a school like Michigan, 2nd tier schools take note, because there's obviously a reason that player was there.
But, other than Justin Fargas, I'm not aware of a transfer that experienced success elsewhere. (as Jethro laments the hype train know as Kelly "Smoke a Charles Rogers special" Baraka).

I just got my new issue of The Wolverine (Manningham on the cover) and I was checking out the recruiting section. Tom Lemming ranked the top 25 TE's in the country and he has Michigan commit Martell Webb at #3. Listen to what he has to say, kinda caught me off guard.

"He plays wide receiver, but he'll wind up as a tight end. He should be about 240, 250 pounds in college. He can run, has huge hands, catches everything within reach, and doesn't drop a pass. He and Joe Barksdale, the defensive tackle from Detroit, are the top two players in Michigan. He's a five-star player. I'm the only recruiting service that has him that high, but I'm probably the only one that's actually seen him play. He's a great catch for the Wolverines.

I feeeeel it! [smilie=clappy.gif]

Lemming has a guy not in Rivals' Top 10 in the state of Michigan ranked higher than RoJo, Dionte Allen, and Keith Nichol? Wow, Mr. Lemming...thank you for letting me know which preseason magazine not to buy next year. His rep just got a K-9 upper cut (for you Contender fans out there).

That's great info about Webb, but it actually isn't working in our favor right now. Fact is, Webb is a soft commit now because there is talk that State would let him play hoops as well. I thought Michigan had the same offer on the table, but apparently not.
That being said, I'm not sure why he would let that persuade him to go to State. Football is clearly his #1 sport, and Michigan would be the better school for that. As for hoops, while State is better, they're also loaded. If Michigan allows him to play hoop, that's where he would get PT. State just doesn't have the minutes to give him.

Don't worry Jethro, it's all good. From The Wolverine.com-Now, over four months since making that commitment, Webb is starting to be recognized for the high caliber prospect he is by those teams outside the state of Michigan. The recent increase in interest has fed early speculation that his commitment to Michigan was of the "soft" variety, but Webb dismissed those rumblings Wednesday night.

"I still hear from plenty of teams. They call and text message, but I'm strong with Michigan. It's solid now," Webb remarked. "Other schools have been trying to persuade me to come to their schools, but I just like Michigan. Since they are winning, you can't go wrong with that."

The 6-5, 210-pound Webb said over the summer he was still entertaining the possibility of looking at other schools, but reiterated this week he was firm on his commitment. The strengthening of his pledge is due, at least in part, to Michigan’s willingness to allow him to play basketball.

“That’s a big deal. They said I can play basketball, but it’s football first,” Webb said. “I talked to Coach [Tommy] Amaker over the phone … I’ve got to see him in person, though. Football is my sport, but I still love basketball.”

TAKE IT TO THE BANK BITCHES...

Not too difficult to predict RoJo to Michigan now. John L. could be out and will be out if they don't turn it around. Therefore, not only will potential recruits go elsewhere, so will the great commits John L. received.

I think you will always have Nichol, maybe even Dell. Nichol has always liked State, and Dell is just doing what Farmington Hills players do.
However, everyone else could be in jeopardy.
I'm guessing somewhere Ryan Wheat is STILL hoping for that Michigan offer!

Some 3 star clown named Zion Babb committed to Michigan.

http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Camper/PHOTO/ZIONBABBNIKE200.JPG
http://michigan.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=49533

I was going to make a new thread called "Zion Babb BAAAAABYYYY!" But decided against it.

Babb is a 4 star according to Scout and rivals has him rated as our 4th or 5th best recruit so far, so that's not bad. At least he's one I've heard about before, though I think Michigan is recruiting him as a DB from what I remember.

2 5 stars will be in Ann Arbor Saturday....

5 star stunna and the #4 player in the country (DE) Everson Griffen's interest has picked up on U-M and will be in Ann Arbor tomorrow for an offical visit. Here are his comments on Big Blue.

http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/PROSPECT/PHOTO/EVERSONGRIFFEN9_26200.JPG
"I've seen them and they've been killing teams," Griffen said. "I just want to get down there and see how the campus is. Everybody tells me the campus is awesome. When Ron English first came and talked to me, I wanted to visit."

RoJo will also be at the game. Let's hope for another dominant defensive performance from the Wolverines and a good visit so these cats get silly hyped.

Griffen IS NOT coming to Michigan. Well, he is coming for a visit but he is so far up USC and UCLA's ass it is sick. Besides, we pretty much gave up on him months ago.

From what I hear, Noel Devine has a better shot at ending up in AA next year than Griffen

The longer ROJO goes, the more I think he is going to USC. He has missed some visits to UM and just doesnt seem as interested as he once was for some reason. However, I think Dionte Allen is second guessing his choice of FSU. I have a guy that is around OLSM a lot and he is telling me DONT BE SHOCKED IF HE DOESNT END UP AT FSU.

RoJo was at The Big House Saturday, here are a few of his quotes that sound pretty good.

"It was a real good atmosphere there. Makes you want to say 'I'm coming here,' but I'm going to weigh my options," he said.

"I talked to Leon Hall, I talked to Morgan Trent and I talked to No. 22, Jamar Adams," he said. "They asked me when I was going to come and when I was going to make it official. I told them I didn't know yet, but I'm going to make that decision sometime soon."

In the famous words of JickBoy-"TAKE IT TO THE BANK BITCHES"?????

The longer ROJO goes, the more I think he is going to USC. He has missed some visits to UM and just doesnt seem as interested as he once was for some reason. However, I think Dionte Allen is second guessing his choice of FSU. I have a guy that is around OLSM a lot and he is telling me DONT BE SHOCKED IF HE DOESNT END UP AT FSU.

ESPN.com's story about the FSU boosters wanting Bowden to retire certainly can't help. Pre-Bowden FSU was nothing, so any fan of FSU is actually a fan of Bowden. I don't think they'll completely fall apart when he eventually goes, but the history of the program exists only in his tenure.

Toney Clemons, 4-star WR, is scheduled to announce his commitment on Friday and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette is reporting he will commit to Michigan. We'll see if their right. If so, that makes a nice group of WR's.

Then U-M just needs to focus on OL, CB and a LB.

Adding to my last post -
If Clemons commits, my wish list would then be (in no particular order):
John Elliott - OL
Matt Romine - OL
Lorenzo Edwards - LB
Ronald Johnson - CB
Michael Williams - CB

Beyond that there are a number of guys I would love to add, but these all seem somewhat realistic.

BUT, could you imagine a DL with Everson Griffen and Martez Wilson (or Ben Martin) as the ends and Joseph Barksdale and Da'John Harris in the middle? Holy crap! At this point, if we get one of those DE's to pair with VanBergen and one of those DT's to hopefully pair with Ricardo Melancon, we would still be set. But that other line might have the potential to be even better than the current front 4. (actually, if English stays around to lead the group that includes guys like Brandon Graham and Adam Patterson, with Terrence Taylor, James McKinney and Eugene Germany certainly staying beyond this year, it should be a powerful line for quite some time).

Toney Clemons, 4-star WR, is scheduled to announce his commitment on Friday and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette is reporting he will commit to Michigan. We'll see if their right. If so, that makes a nice group of WR's.

Then U-M just needs to focus on OL, CB and a LB.

Jethro,

Clemons is a lock. The only official he took was to U-M, after the visit he said U-M is his leader, and he's announcing soon afterwards. Looks good for us.

You forgot to add Rojo to your wish list to commit. It looks good for him, but it is not a lock.

BTW Dionte Allen is opening his recruitment backup some. He is still verballed to UM, but OLSM has contacted UM coaches about him.

There is reportedly a rift between the 2 schools.

If anyone wants any info from scout about UM, feel free to post and I will do what I can.

You forgot to add Rojo to your wish list to commit.


Adding to my last post -
If Clemons commits, my wish list would then be (in no particular order):
John Elliott - OL
Matt Romine - OL
Lorenzo Edwards - LB
Ronald Johnson - CB
Michael Williams - CB

Beyond that there are a number of guys I would love to add, but these all seem somewhat realistic.

BUT, could you imagine a DL with Everson Griffen and Martez Wilson (or Ben Martin) as the ends and Joseph Barksdale and Da'John Harris in the middle? Holy crap! At this point, if we get one of those DE's to pair with VanBergen and one of those DT's to hopefully pair with Ricardo Melancon, we would still be set. But that other line might have the potential to be even better than the current front 4. (actually, if English stays around to lead the group that includes guys like Brandon Graham and Adam Patterson, with Terrence Taylor, James McKinney and Eugene Germany certainly staying beyond this year, it should be a powerful line for quite some time).

Yeah my bad sorry about that.

We actually have a great shot at Williams and Warren. We would prefer Warrn over Williams, but not going to turn him away. Romine is not coming to UM...he is going to ND or maybe his hometown school of OU. Elliot is a chance, but do not fret. OL is not a huge concern for us this year unless Schilling does not come back next year 100%. He has a bum shoulder. Our OL is in real good shape for the next couple of years.

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4 star (#20 WR) Toney Clemons officially committed today. Lemming says he has great hands, outstanding leaping ability and is the best WR in Pennsylvania. He's rocking his cousin, Steve Breaston's jersey, Tiiiiiight.

Yeah, from what I heard, the camp in Pennsylvania this summer was filled with studs like Sukay and Bostick, among many others, and Clemons basically ran away with the MVP honors.
Now that he and Hemingway are both in the fold, you can pretty much guarantee that Babb will be moved to CB and Webb will be turned into a hybrid TE.

The reason Clemons did not get as much love is because his coach isa huge Pitt guy and was hoping by not sending out film, he could slip him to Pitt.

UM got lucky with regards to Clemons. A friend of Clemons got some film to UM and that is all it took for him to get an offer.

Babb is probably going to be too big for CB. I look for him to be WR or maybe a safety. Webb will grow into a TE for sure.

Is Quincy Landingham no longer committed to MSU? He's not listed on their commits list, and on his player page it does not say he's committed to Michigan State anymore.

http://michiganstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=48412

That still has State as the clear #1, and the scout.com profile still lists him as a commit. I'm guessing it's just a mistake. Otherwise there would be a story linked to his profile about how he's re-opening his recruitment and taking visits.

Rivals.com has released their new top 100 and there have been some big movements by some familiar prospects. Check it out.

RoJo is now ranked as the #5 overall player and the #1 WR prospect. Michigan is recruiting him primarily as a CB while playing a little bit on offense like Woodson.

Ryan Mallett moved up from #30 to #21.

Michigan safety commit Jerimy Finch moved from out of the top 100 to 4 star status and the #30 overall prospect.

Rumors of Joe Barksdale being a bit overrated proved to be true. He moved down from 5 star status the 4 stars and the #58 overall prospect. Apparently Michigan and possibly ND have stopped recruiting him.

Keith Nichol moved from #81 to out of the top 100.

M. Williams CB from California is probably going to be commit #16 for UM.

If you remember the percentages from last year...he is on the sunny side of 50%.

Anyone have any updates on any of the 4 and 5 star guys we're recruiting?

Only thing I got is that Brandon Herron a LB from the same school as Wofolk (sp) is about to be commit #16. He was a soft verbal to Nebraska at one point. He has a visit Dec. 1st and I hear he is supposed to commit that day.

The rest are in a holding pattern until after the game tomorrow.

I don't want to sound insensitive, but I want to look at all sides of this.

Bo's death and it's proximity to THE GAME.

How does this impact recruits? Any time they turn on the TV right now there will be coverage about Michigan-Ohio State and much of the attention will be given to a Michigan legend. Does that sit in their minds about becoming part of the Michigan legacy?

Wow...even in the face of Bo's death, you want to know how it might impact a 17-18 year old kid...someone needs to step back a bit and relax.

Easy. I'm not saying Michigan should use it in their recruiting, but you can't tell me it won't have some influence. Look at how it impacted you. You're trying to tell me it won't have an influence? So what if I'm talking about it. It doesn't mean I'm celebrating his death or trying to capitalize on it.

This is a horrible day for Michigan. They lost a man that put the program back in the minds of the entire country. I'm honoring him by suggesting he could get inside the country's mind in his passing as well.

I didn't say at all that it would or wouldn't have an influence, but at this moment, it seems a bit trivial to even suggest how it could impact a recruiting class that in the grand scheme of things, means jack shit.

I didn't say at all that it would or wouldn't have an influence, but at this moment, it seems a bit trivial to even suggest how it could impact a recruiting class that in the grand scheme of things, means jack shit.

Agreed. Bo was a legendary coach. Okay, we've established that. He passed, very sad. However Jethro, you are tying his death to recruiting and even suggested I shouldn't post Spartan news on the same day as he passed in honor of him. I think we are getting overboard.

Yup...Fuck Sparty.

Yup...Fuck Sparty.
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Austin Panter JUCO out of Kansas is visiting on Dec. 1st. He is a LB. Could be the first JUCO in a while coming to UM.

Five Star DE Everson Griffen is down to USC and Michigan. He attended the ND-USC game on Saturday (gulp) and had this to say afterwards-

"USC and Michigan are at the top," Griffen said. "I liked the players and the coaches at Michigan. I got along with everyone at Michigan really well."

"I'm not sure if I will take my trip UCLA this weekend," Griffen said. "The reason that I may not take my trip to UCLA is I'm pretty sure that it will come down to Michigan or USC.

"I will probably make up my mind before Christmas," Griffen said. "I'm not even going to schedule any home visits."

Rumor has it that he's a strong USC lean, but this would be really cool.

Hugye is the latest UM recruit. "Sleeper" not really much to say other than he is an OT.

Griffen is as you said a strong USC lean.

MSU got a commit from TE/DE/DT John Hughes from Ohio.

6'2" 260, supposed to have decent hands, and pretty good athletism. WVU, Cinci, and MAC offers.

Was considered an academic risk, but has his scores and stuff in line, supposedly that was holding back offers, that could just be hype though.

Well, Rojo is coming to UM this weekend. Sadly, that's actually somewhat bad news. Michigan was hoping to be his last official, and until the last few days he was honoring that request. Now they're leading off before schools like Florida, USC and perhaps Ohio State get a shot. Best case scenario is if they somehow get a commit from him over the weekend and he cancels the other trips, but considering how much he is already familiar with the program, there will be very little "wow" factor to sway him. Meanwhile everything will be new to him at the other locations. This sucks. And by the way, the Dionte Allen re-opening his recruitment thing now has him looking not at Michigan, but at Ohio State.

Dionte tried playing games with UM. So UM is not interested in Allen not the other way around.

Nichols has decommitted from MSU and is now headed to OU.

I am not worried about Rojo. Wouldnt you want to get a free vacation to Socal and Florida if you could? I am not saying he is a lock, but some people who are usually right on these things are not worried. The reason he is taking his visit this weekend is he just had surgery and decided to switch things around.

UM has serious shot with Wiggins the CB from the Sunshine State.

Wow. The Nichol thing is huge. I actually thought that the Dantonio hire would be a big plus for him. Yeah, he's a defensive guy and not the riddler, but if anything it would have sent the message that we're fixing the offense so we won't blow the leads you get us and we'll get you the ball back more often.
Good news for Spartan fans is that you still have Dell coming and Hoyer may be a better fit for the system anyhow. Plus, he got some valuable game experience this season and is really a decent QB. I think Dantonio will still find another QB, if not in this class then in the next one, but I understand most Spartan fans will be very upset about losing an Elite 11 invitee and a guy they've been hyping for so long. I guess the Izzo visit wasn't enough.

Nichol de-committing sucks, but I guess that's the price you pay when trying to find the right direction for the program.

I liked the Dantonio hire, but I'm curious as to the motivations behind his coaching staff decisions. I don't see why Stoutland and Enos were let go when they were the main cogs in what was shaping up to be a solid recruiting class. Enos especially, as he was the link to Nichol and coached w/ Dantonio @ Cinncy before this season.

I'll be watching closely to see how MD re-stocks this class and I hope the total defection of the Cincinnati staff to MSU doesn't end up biting the Spartans in the ass.

Yeah for Hoyer and Connor Dixon.[smilie=groove.gif]

When I heard that Nichol was being recruited hard by Oklahoma, and then took a visit I thought State fans should have a lot to be worried about. I mean, no shot at MSU here, but where would you rather play your college football, a team that has been struggling for years with a brand new unproven head coach you don't know about, or for Bob Stoops, for a traditional powerhouse who has a chance to win the national title every year. But then Nichol comes out says he talked to Dantonio, loved the hire, and his dad says early enrollment paperwork has already been turned in to MSU, so it seems like he's solid with his commitment. Then the commitement to OU breaks, wow, crazy series of events.

Sucks for Sparty fans. [smilie=sorry.gif]

Honestly...good for Nichol. It is a shame that Stanton wasted his talent at MSU and Nichol shouldnt have to either. Until MSU can prove that it can handle talent like Nichol and Stanton they dont deserve them.

The interesting thing about the whole thing is the fact that Nichol was in talks with Cincinnati, so he was familiar with Dantonio.

I was at the Breslin today for the girls semi-finals. The first game was Arthur Hill - Detroit Martin Luther King. The next game was Lowell - Fraser. Well, I think mopst of Lowell's students were there. I couldn't see Nichol specifically to confirm whether he was there or not, but one of his classmates had a large poster that said "Sorry State, Lowell's a Sooner". Pretty classless to bring that into State's building when the game had nothing to do with football or Nichol. Here's the part that knocks this kid. I think he was going for a super-fan type thing, but he was wearing his baseball pants and what looked like his freshman basketball jersey. Both were way too tight on him and needless to say, he looked much less than heterosexual.

For those who think I tie EVERYTHING to recruiting, you're right. And I'm about to again.

Michigan is battling Florida for a couple recruits I'm aware of.

Which coach do you think they want to play for more?

Meyer: do they see him as a whiny punk or a passionate coach that does what it takes to fight for his team?

Carr: do they see him as a class act or someone that sits quietly while his team gets the shaft?

I'm not sure if they're even facotring it into the decision, but it entertained me to think about it for a couple minutes.

Jethro, I think Michigan's run this year is going to be huge for recruiting. I really like our chances with RoJo and Michael Williams. I also think we have a solid shot to get Martez Wilson and may be even picking up some momentum with Griffen.

I really don't think that recruits are going to pay a lot of attention to LC's stance vs. Cryer's stance on the MNC game. They're going to be more concerned with tradition, NFL opportunities, playing time and unfortunately for us.....weather.

Michigan got #18 today, Brandon Herron, a 3 star LB from Texas. Not a huge commit on the radar, but LB is a position the team needs depth at, so it's a good pickup. They still need a handful of stunnas, but the class is evening out quite nicely.

State's calls is going the opposite direction. 3 of their top 4 commits are now committed elsewhere. I have a feeling years 2 and 3 will be quite rough for Dantonio. To be fair, State probably needs to wait at least 5 seasons to make a judgement on this guy. The talent pool at State is struggling right now and few if any of the current class will be able to contribute next season. The year after that, he might have a decent class but he loses a number of the few talented players that will be left on the team.

By then, names like Stanton, Warrick, Love, Scott, Herron, Thornhill, Davis, Ryan, Reed, Trannon, Fields, Adams, Caulcrick and Cooper will have been 1 or 2 years gone. You can only win so much with Wiley, Jimmerson, Ringer, Martin, Miller and Hoyer. Just about everything else needs to be built around that group, and very little looks to be happening this year to help that.

Jethro, I know about Nichol going to OU, and I know Landingham decommitted, but where did he go and who else de- and re- committed? I'm lazy and don't feel like looking it up. Thanks in advance brotha.

Jethro, I know about Nichol going to OU, and I know Landingham decommitted, but where did he go and who else de- and re- committed? I'm lazy and don't feel like looking it up. Thanks in advance brotha.

Cornell and Simkovich are out. Vaughn Martin dropped out of Milford. Ish Johnson is taking visits.

However Dantonio seems to be getting things rolling, Dec. 8 will be a big visit day, a bunch of players are visiting, and Dell and White will be there to get some MSU momentum there.

MSU has 10 kids coming in on the 8th. 2 of our commits, along with a bunch of others, including Antonio Jeremiah a 4 star DT, admissions risk though, he's a HUGE target for MSU.

MSU seems to be getting in on a lot of targets that look pretty good, we'll see how it all works out, but Dantonio looks like he is getting things rolling.

Duran a TE from Georgia will commit if he gets an offer, and is sending more film to MD.

Chase Dumphord 'really likes' MSU, but is visiting UM soon, he doesn't have an offer from them at this point though.

Wow, DSC brought up a bunch of new info I didn't even know about that makes the situation look even worse.

The 3 I was referring to were:
Nichol to Oklahoma
Landingham to Wisconson
Simkovich (you'll remember him as the pudgy redhead we all ripped while State fans hyped) is going to Akron.

Correction - It is Jared McGraha who 'really likes MSU but is visiting UM', not Dumphord. Dumphord is friends with McGraha though.

And Dantonio is getting things going, almost started over, but is getting things going.

11 visitors this weekend:

Chazz Anderson - 3 star Qb who had committed to Cinci for MD
BJ Cunningham - 3 star WR with hands of glue
Dell
Anthony Grosso - 2 star OL, no offer yet, offered by NW, Vandy, Duke, and Cinci, GPA kid - 3.96
Antonio Jeremiah - 4 star DT
Darren Kinsey - 3 star LB from Florida with 4.57 speed
CJ Peake - just committed to Wiscy, but is still visiting
Brian Peters - sleeper, but has serious OLB potential, listed as a safety, no offer
Chris Rucker - 3 star CB from Harding in Ohio
White
Oren Wilson - DT or possibly a C according to his coach, he goes to Harmony Prep which beat Hargrave(Prep powerhouse) and is in Cinci so MD seems to have connections there. No idea how good the kid is, listed a 2 star has offers from us, Minny, Rutgers, and Kansas though.

I think MSU has some the ability to save this class, and actually do pretty well.

Michael Jordan(nice name) a 4 star JuCo DT with 4 to play 3 apparantly really wants to play for MSU too, but hasn't been contacted by MD yet. And there are rumors that Marve a 4 star QB who's a Bama commit has interest in MSU(parents are from Flint).

I can't BELIEVE all the top Michigan recruits that have gotten away, especially in ayear that's regarded as one of the best ever.
When schools like Georgia Techa dn friggin' Wisconsin are stealing talent, and Penn State comes in and gets a Colosanti, well, dammit, that just pisses me off.
I'd like to see EITHER MSU or UM get Barksdale and/or Rojo (I know they aren't gling to MSU no matter how much money D'antonio flashes in their face, which according to some reports, he has offered both players as much as $12.00 to come to MSU) to keep these guys HOME.
Imagine that, I want them to stay home, but me, as soon as I could walk I got the hell out of Michigan. Couldn't stand the winters.

I can't BELIEVE all the top Michigan recruits that have gotten away, especially in ayear that's regarded as one of the best ever.
When schools like Georgia Techa dn friggin' Wisconsin are stealing talent, and Penn State comes in and gets a Colosanti, well, dammit, that just pisses me off.
I'd like to see EITHER MSU or UM get Barksdale and/or Rojo (I know they aren't gling to MSU no matter how much money D'antonio flashes in their face, which according to some reports, he has offered both players as much as $12.00 to come to MSU) to keep these guys HOME.
Imagine that, I want them to stay home, but me, as soon as I could walk I got the hell out of Michigan. Couldn't stand the winters.

Agreed - The 1 year that Michigan has amazing talent, MSU and UM combined get 1/2 out of the top 10 in the state. That is HORRIBLE.

Colasanti would look amazing in either Green and White or (if you are a UM fan) Maize and Blue.

If Rich Rodriguez leaves, Derek Knight could end up at MSU, but that's about it that is still up in the air.

Well Barksdale has a final 3 of OSU/ND/LSU I believe so he won't be staying in state. Rojo is going to UM. Suck on that one bitches...

Well Barksdale has a final 3 of OSU/ND/LSU I believe so he won't be staying in state. Rojo is going to UM. Suck on that one bitches...

I'll believe it when I see it.

RoJo has seemed like he's going out of state to me, but I'm not RoJo so we shall see.

Barks is out of state, down to OSU and LSU from what I've seen.

So Dell, and POSSIBLY RoJo are the only top 10 kids who will be in state.

VanBergen and Webb are top 10, aren't they?
Add Dell, and that gives you 3.
Barksdale, Nichol, RoJo, Allen, Colasanti, Sawtelle and Threet would be my guess for top 10. RoJo may end up in state, and there's a very remote outside chance still for Allen. That's just sad. Barksdale was at every single Michigan home game last season. From what I'm hearing more about him, he seems like a punk. Rumor has it that his play was slightly less than expected this year as well and he slipped in the rankings because of it. He'll likely still be a force, but it sounds like his personality fits a different team better anyhow.

I can't BELIEVE all the top Michigan recruits that have gotten away, especially in ayear that's regarded as one of the best ever.
When schools like Georgia Techa dn friggin' Wisconsin are stealing talent, and Penn State comes in and gets a Colosanti, well, dammit, that just pisses me off.
I'd like to see EITHER MSU or UM get Barksdale and/or Rojo (I know they aren't gling to MSU no matter how much money D'antonio flashes in their face, which according to some reports, he has offered both players as much as $12.00 to come to MSU) to keep these guys HOME.
Imagine that, I want them to stay home, but me, as soon as I could walk I got the hell out of Michigan. Couldn't stand the winters.

Maybe because Georgia Tech and friggin Wisconsin had friggin good seasons. Also anybody who wants to friggin party goes to friggin Wisconsin.

Yeah, it's hard to blaim Landingham for switching from 1 Big Ten win State to 1 loss Wisconsin. Threet had no reason to stick around because both major schools had Elite 11 invitees commited.

BTW, I forgot Landingham when listing the top 10. Did Michigan ever talk to him at all?

VanBergen and Webb are top 10, aren't they?
Add Dell, and that gives you 3.
Barksdale, Nichol, RoJo, Allen, Colasanti, Sawtelle and Threet would be my guess for top 10. RoJo may end up in state, and there's a very remote outside chance still for Allen. That's just sad. Barksdale was at every single Michigan home game last season. From what I'm hearing more about him, he seems like a punk. Rumor has it that his play was slightly less than expected this year as well and he slipped in the rankings because of it. He'll likely still be a force, but it sounds like his personality fits a different team better anyhow.

They might be top 10, but depends on the list, Rivals(general) has:

RoJo
Barks
Allen
Nichol
Colasanti
Sawtelle
Everson
Washington - the only truly BS one there IMO.
Dell
Landingham - iffy IMO, but I could see it.

Threet and Webb could be the 2 I would add, so maybe 2 of the top 10, with the possibility of 3.

The JUCO LB that Michigan picked up was named a JUCO All-American. As I look at the All-American list, it makes me wish that Michigan went after these guys more often. Not a ton, but added a few every now and then. They have some needs right now and I see some areas on this list where they could add some talent. For example, the LB is from a JUCO in Kansas. One of his teammates is a first team All-American WR and another in 2nd team AA at center. Any chance Michigan could add them if they tried? Also there is Demetrius Washington and Jevorris Jackson, both originally from Detroit. One is a first team AA LB and the other is a 2nd team AA DB. You would assume being from Detroit that they may have dreamed of playing at UM. It's not a lock, but the odds are decent. I'm not saying these guys would come right in and solve every problem or even see much PT. But they might, and even if they don't they have played very well at a level higher than high school, their bodies are likely more mature and they would provide solid depth at certain positions. They don't tie up a scholarship for a full length either.
Perhaps they don't have the grades to cut it but it's a bit frustrating that Michigan only adds one every 9-10 years.

4 star DT Antonio Jeremiah is a SPARTAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#4 player in Ohio, 6'4" 280 pound BEAST.

http://michiganstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=617673

And Joseph Barksdale had an official visit to MSU today.

4 star DT Antonio Jeremiah is a SPARTAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#4 player in Ohio, 6'4" 280 pound BEAST.

http://michiganstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=617673

And Joseph Barksdale had an official visit to MSU today.

YEEEEEEEEEAH BOY! You beat me to the punch. I came here to post about it. This is a major commitment. Check out his offers, this dude is big time. They also got a commitment from 3 star WR, BJ Cunningham. If Nichol and Landingham had been patient, this class would have been stellar. I bet if they knew Dantonio was going to bring in defensive help, they might have stayed.

I'm very excited to see a change in the program already. Defense Defense Defense. Keep it going Dantonio!

YEEEEEEEEEAH BOY! You beat me to the punch. I came here to post about it. This is a major commitment. Check out his offers, this dude is big time. They also got a commitment from 3 star WR, BJ Cunningham. If Nichol and Landingham had been patient, this class would have been stellar. I bet if they knew Dantonio was going to bring in defensive help, they might have stayed.

I'm very excited to see a change in the program already. Defense Defense Defense. Keep it going Dantonio!

Damn straight. Go MD!

Ok, just to clarify in the future. Was that considered hyping big time?

Ok, just to clarify in the future. Was that considered hyping big time?

That would be hyping big time. A slightly different post and player than chubby simko

And yet someone who made a terrible choice.

Yeah, that was unnecessary, spoken out of frustration that you got a 4 star this weekend and we didn't.

And yet someone who made a terrible choice.

Yeah, that was unnecessary, spoken out of frustration that you got a 4 star this weekend and we didn't.

But you did get a 2 star with an offer from Temple!

Sorry that was unnecessary too, spoken like a excited MSU fan who got a 4 star, a DT no less.

Now for some OL's and some CB's.

Well, it's clear that D'antonio is cheating already. He got a "verbal" from a four star recruit?
Dude is shelling out the bucks, calling in the babes, and laying the BLING out big time.
And we all think Tressel is cheating. Tressel couldn't hold a candle to D'antonio when it comes to recruiting violations.

Spartans get 2 more kids:

David Duran TE from Georgia with offers from Cinci, Southern Miss, Hawaii, and a bunch of scrub schools. OK commit, supposed to be a good blocker, hard to get pumped about though. 6'5" 240 and runs a 4.8.

and

Joel Foreman OL(probably OG or C), 6'4" 280. Offered by Cinci. I'm high on him as he is going to the same HS I went to. I've seen him play a bunch of times, and the kid is REAL good. Destroyed Wheat the DT MSU has, and killed CC last year. Big athletic kid, excited to see how he does. Profile says he runs a 5.7, he ran a 5.1 at the CMU combine(went with Milford's QB and LB, LB is commit to CMU, also Dream Team DPoY for the Freep, Petrucci's his name. Squatted 525, benched 355. 1st team All State, KVC OPoY.

I'm very excited about the Ohio impact Dantonio is making. It'll be good to establish that pipeline, especially if he gets some top recruits like our DT. The guy is working his butt off, I like to see that.

Michigan is losing out on some big recruits.

Devon Still-out

Starting with Wilmington (Del.) Howard four-star defensive end Devon Still, who visited Ann Arbor this weekend. Still, the No. 1 player in his state, said he liked Michigan's coaches and style of defense, but told an Ohio State reporter at BuckeyeGrove.com OSU and Penn State remain his leaders.

"I liked Michigan, but not on the same type of level that I liked Ohio State and Penn State," Still said. "I'm considering Michigan, but Ohio State and Penn State are on top. Those two are still even."

Everson Griffen-probably not

Five-star defensive end Everson Griffen of Avondale (Ariz.) Agua Fria seems to know where he's headed, according to his mother, Sabrina Scott.

"Right now he's trying to set up a T.V. announcement," Scott told USCFootball.com recently. "The USC home visit was the last one he'll have, so he should be ready to get everything over with pretty soon.

"It's going to be between Michigan, Notre Dame and USC, but I think he already knows where he's going."

Most believe it's USC.

Dajohn Harris-nope

Yet another four-star defensive tackle prospect, Gardena (Calif.) Serra's Dajohn Harris, told HuskersIllustrated.com he liked his trip to Nebraska better than his Sept. 8 visit to Michigan.

"That was a cool trip, too," Harris said. "I'd say that I liked the Nebraska trip better, though. I couldn't tell you what it is I like better - I just know I do.

Martez Wilson and Robert Hughes?-not a chance

Chicago standouts Martez Wilson, five-star defensive end out of Simeon High, and Robert Hughes, a four-star running back, have both eliminated Michigan. Wilson has visited Southern Cal, Notre Dame and Illinois but won't visit Michigan, while Hughes has pared it to Notre Dame, Illinois and Ohio State.

Damn, #2 most of the year, tons of media coverage, what does it take to get these cats? UGH!

Nebraska gets alot of players from California. There is something about being in the middle of nowhere with no noise and no traffic and people that are generally very nice that appeals to players from out there sometimes.
Like Harris says: They don't know what it is, they just know that it is.
I KNOW what it is, and they find out once they get here.
Let's just say these cornfed girls out here give them a few reasons to really like Nebraska.

The thing that gets me is that these are DL's dropping out. Hello? Michigan obviously has amazing coaches and they're losing 2, if not 3 amazing starters on that line. Translation: playing time soon in an ideal situation.

It doesn't seem like Michigan has dominated quite as much the last couple of years here in recruiting. Used to be Top 5 class lock. Maybe I'm wrong, but just off memory it doesn't seem like it.

I agree with Moodini, when you are #2 most of the year, you've got to cash in. It has got to be the coaches that are recruiting the kids or something. Michigan has nearly everything to offer, you'd think it wouldn't take much to land an amazing class this year.

Maybe they need to find some different coaches to recruit like they found a different D coordinator last year. It might just be finding the right coaches to click with the kids.

Nebraska has a great recruiter, the old Oklahoma coach, John Blake. He also coaches the Dline. Now, he was a terrible head coach. In fact, Michigan State probably would have hired him, that's how bad he was.
But he can recruit!
UM should steal him from the Corn, but he is rumored to be joining Butch Davis at Norf Carolina.

MSU gets:

Jared McGraha - OT who visited UM this past weekend, no offer from UM though, he was told to wait. He didn't and committed to MSU.

Oren Wilson - DT(or possibly center); prep schooler who was a 3 star last year, is listed at 2 this year, probably deserves the 3 star spot based on him being an even more developed version of last years 3 star kid.

Chris Rucker - CB - He's 6'1 and out of Ohio. That's right, a 6'1" CB, 4.5 speed, and he's out of Ohio(Warren Harding, a good school to be getting kids from) 3 star.

Unless you're seeing a quote somewhere stating the opposite, I'm not sure you want to rely on McGaha. If Matt Romine doesn't commit to Michigan and Michigan does end up giving McGaha an offer, it's expected that he will go to Michigan. That was his quote.

Jethro:
That's why I can't understand Barksdale not taking a jump on a Michigan offer. He'd play right away, especially if Branch goes.
I guess that, on the bright side, Michigan has gained committments from 13 or 14 wide receivers this year.
I have a friend who lives in Little Rock, Arkansas. He's a UM grad, and has made the trip from little Rock to Texas to watch Ryan Mallett play, and says Mallett is every bit as good as advertized.
This is a dude who is as jaded about UM football as anyone. He still wakes up at night screaming over John Navarre starting for three years. So, if he endorses Mallett after seeing him in person, I think I'll buy it.

Yeah, Mallett firing rockets to Hemingway, Clemons and Webb for 3 years is a nice thought. Minor and Carlos Brown in the backfield. The line in front of them is a concern at the moment, but with a decent line class next year it should be fine.
Barksdale's issue is that he was rated so highly that it went to his head and suddenly the school down the road wasn't good enough. However, giving State attention simply doesn't make sense. I'm guessing he just wanted a local party with some friends and wanted to get laid E. Lansing style. Not a chance he actually goes to school there.

It appears as though Barksdale comes from a MSU family. You know in this state you are one or the other. I think that is why he never considered Michigan. He knows there are other options out there. He didn't want to play for John L. because his program blew. Now that he is gone, Barksdale is considering MSU again.

It appears as though Barksdale comes from a MSU family. You know in this state you are one or the other. I think that is why he never considered Michigan. He knows there are other options out there. He didn't want to play for John L. because his program blew. Now that he is gone, Barksdale is considering MSU again.

There is a big article on Rivals about Barksdale possibly going to State. I'm absolutely feeling it. Now, I'm giving that about a 2% chance of happening and my reasoning is that it would be just too good to be true. If we landed 2 of the top DT's in the country and added a defensive coach who is currently going nuts on the recruiting circuit, even if they are only 3 star guys....I'd go nuts.

My big question with Dantonio was "Can he recruit?" It is obvious he can, all of the recruits he's getting say it is him and the new DB coach that convince them that State is the place for them. Dantonio is changing things remarkably fast.

Like I said, 2% but if that 2% became a reality...it will change our program ENTIRELY. You might then see the makings of a Ohio State basketball situation. Not getting every top guy, just the snow ball effect.

C'mon Barksdale! Give me reason to celebrate!

If your snowball theory was correct, Dr Tre, then Michigan would have signed 45 recruits this year. Once they got Mallett, and a couple other guys, LOOK OUT!
Kids are just fickle. Dantonio will be able to reach some, and others he won't.
While Camp Sparty has reasons to be excited, there's no need to rush out and buy a years supply of Jergen's and Kleenex just yet.
AND, let's just wait and see if Dantonio can coach at all.

Barksdale was at every single Michigan home game last year, so don't talk to me about never considering Michigan.

If you get Barksdale AND RoJO, you might have a strong core of defensive players to work with that could help change the outcome of some games. Ohio State basketball scenario? Not a chance. 5 guys that are 4 and 5 stars can make you an amazing basketball program in a hurry. 5 guys that are 4 or 5 stars in football gives you a decent recruiting class only. There's still no guarantee that class would win.

I'm not trying to piss on State here. I totally understand why you're pumped. This is the best news you've had since Nichol and Landingham were coming to town. But right now you're still trying to get back to where the decent recruiting class once was. Most stunna players are already done with official visits and couldn't come take a look even if they wanted to. The dead period starts in 5 days and after that you have little to no chance to sway a commit that just barely started thinking about your program.

Zip, I'm talking about that snowball effect that happens with "different schools." When I say different, I mean schools that are not traditional powerhouses.

The example I listed was OSU in bball. You get a new coach, spark excitement, get a big recruit or two, and use that momentum to get others.

You don't have to tame my excitement, I understand the situation. We are long away from even Dantonio's first game. I'm not flying off the handle, but I'll take the excitement when I can get it.

Jethro, you have a point in that it is much easier to change a program in bball. Totally right. However, a couple of big name recruits have changed football programs before. (Penn St. last year?) I'm not saying it's in the works yet or anything like that. Hell, Barksdale is still an outside shot.

But, if he commits...I believe it will be a program changer. Not a championship next year kind of thing, but a monumental swing in the right direction for the program.

Tre, what exactly are you talking about when you reference Penn State? Are you referring to them being good last year when they relied heavily on a senior QB and a junior/senior filled defense? Obviously Derrick Williams and Justin King are great players, but they didn't do much of anything last year to help out IMO. Losing those seniors have led to the bad season that was suffered this year by Penn State. Just a little confused as to what you were referring to in regards to JoePa and Penn State.

I believe Williams and King changed Penn St. in several ways. First, they sparked excitement. Excitment that hadn't been there in a few years. Two, Williams helped Joe Pa open things up. Maybe he didn't get the ball on all of those plays, but early in the season teams saw what he could do and it allowed them to expose defenses. Three, I believe they changed Penn St's mental makeup. The mental side of the game is more important than the physical. When they chose PSU, I think the attitude changed there. Players started saying, Hell yea, we are Penn St. This is the place to be. Instead of questioning whether Joe Pa should retire.

I think they made a major impact and most of it probably wasn't on the stat sheet.

I think I get what you were TRYING to say about Penn State Tre, but it was a bad example for a number of reasons.
In addition to the senior leadership Filly mentioned, it goes beyond that. It wasn't just last year, this year AND last year had much more to do with Robinson/Morelli and Hunt, Conner and Posluszny than they did guys like Williams and King.
The fact is Williams and King were very exciting for a couple games and Williams just so happened to be the #1 recruit in the country. But Morelli and Conner were 5 stars the year before. A couple years before that this was Larry Johnson's team. Penn State has always been LB U and they had a stretch of RBs that, while being busts in the NFL, were taken in the top 10.

So probably the biggest reason why the Penn State example wasn't the greatest is that they've experienced a great deal of success over the years. They had at least partial claims to National Championships in 81, 82, 86, and 94. Yeah, it's been over a decade, but you probably focussed on the fact that they had a 2 year stretch in which they won 7 games. That's a great argument as to why they aren't elite (lol) but the year before they were 9-4, and that's when they had Hunt and Posluszny as freshmen. They added Conner and Morelli a year later. A program that keeps most players around 4 or 5 years can afford a couple bad years without too much suffering.

In State's case, Dantonio has his work cut out for him since the team has only won more than 5 games once in the past 5 seasons. He needs a solid class this year, with some freshman contributors that get to that 7-5 record you talked about. He needs a top 20 class the following year and another 7 or 8 win season. If he can follow that up with another top 20 recruiting class, he has laid the groundwork and yeah, he might have it. But there isn't much recent success he can point to at all. Penn State had recent success, and plenty of it.

By the way, haven't read yet to see if you addressed any of my concerns, but you posted yours while I was typing mine - so some things might not add up.

Well, I'm going to change my 2% chance on Barksdale. I'm changing it to 25% chance. I believe they have an equal shot with LSU, OSU, and ND. I love the fact that Barksdale's coaches and parents sound like they might be favoring Michigan State now. Check this out:

"In week one of the Dantonio era at MSU, new Spartan assistants Harlon Barnett and Ted Gill visited every high school in the Detroit Public School league.

In week two, when Dantonio hit the road for the first time, he made the rounds in Detroit, including a stop at famed Detroit Cass Technical High School, home of Joseph Barksdale, one of the top defensive tackles in the country.

"He came to Cass Tech and he walked in without an appointment, without anything set up, and said, 'I'm going in here to see this young man and I'm going to get this done,'" said Cass Tech assistant head coach and defensive coordinator Charleston Fobbs."

"So they listened to it, and they liked what he had to the say to the point that they felt compelled to go up for an official visit, which was something because he was basically done with his visits after his visit to LSU," Fobbs said.

Now, Fobbs said Michigan State appears to be in the running, along with Ohio State, LSU and Notre Dame.

"He really liked it," Fobbs said. "He had a terrific visit. He enjoyed himself up there. He really likes what Coach Dantonio has going on and the changes he has made.

"They liked the changes and the differences in the program and the different direction they are trying to go with the program. In talking to the parents, they liked Coach Smith but they felt like Coach Dantonio had a little bit more sculpted vision and a better plan to get there."

But Dantonio has thrown Michigan State into contention?

"Yes he has," Fobbs said. "There is no question he has done that. Every kid has thought about having their parents come to every game like they did in high school. His mom is thinking, 'I can go an hour away to see my son play or check in on him.' That's their oldest son.

"Joseph takes a real methodical approach to looking at the university and saying what are the schemes, what is the past history of developing defensive linemen, what the academic history is, the coaches and how they respond to him as individuals and his family and the value system they set forward. And Coach Dantonio has indicated that he is a God-fearing man and into doing things the right way. And that's in line with his family and his dad being a minister. So that is definitely in line with what his dad's values and morals are.

"Those are some things that are seriously going to be on the table to be considered when looking at the programs he is thinking about being involved with.

"They loved the academic side of it. I mean the academic presentation was phenomenal. With Coach Saban setting up the center there before he left and then going to LSU and setting up the same thing at LSU, there were a lot of mirror images of things that were occurring at Michigan State and LSU that they noticed. So they really liked that. The mom is heavy in the academic side.

"And I actually asked her, 'If you had to give a parent some advice in the recruiting process, what would you give them?' And she said the biggest thing she would tell a parent is if you really wanted to find out about a university, go when they are not playing a football game. That gives you a lot of time to find out more about the university."

Mrs. Barksdale had that opportunity this past weekend.

"She spent a lot of time with a representative from the school of engineering and really had a chance to see the intricate aspects and scenarios that would be available to her child from an academic standpoint," Fobbs said. "And that's why they sent their son to Cass. They didn't send their son to Cass to play football. He came to Cass for academics. Both mom and dad are alumni of Cass. So their number one focus was academics and that's why he is a 3.5 student.

"So Michigan State was the next natural progression in that piece from the academic side, and that's why I feel they favored the Michigan State scenario locally."

Many recruiting observers were surprised to find that Michigan didn't get strong consideration from Barksdale.

"Michigan State has done better for us at Cass Tech than any school in the state of Michigan at this point," Fobbs said. "I've had Archie Collins, Roderick Maples and Dawan Moss there. At Michigan, I've had Clarence Williams. There is no comparison, here.

"Joseph's dad is a Michigan State guy, so they liked Michigan State as a school before," Fobbs said. "I don't really know why, I haven't talked to him about that, but he has liked the program and likes the university."

Fobbs brought Barksdale to MSU's camp in the summer of 2005.

"I like Coach Smith and he was a good guy and I had a good rapport with the coaches that worked there with him: Coach McElwain and Coach Jackson and those guys," Fobbs said. "They were all good guys. But Coach Dantonio, being that I have known him from years back, I really tried to encourage Joseph to give an in-state school a look before we decide to go out of state. Just to give an opportunity to see, to make sure you aren't overlooking something."

Dantonio's next opportunity to hold an audience with Barksdale will be tonight when Dantonio will be a guest speaker at the All-State Football Dream Team Awards Banquet at Ford Field in Detroit.

Jethro, while MSU has been horrible lately I believe they have enough pieces to allow freshmen to make an impact. I think they have great offensive talent. Their running back trio is terrific and Dantonio wants to run. As you admitted, Hoyer looks more than solid.

You take a few of the good players on the defensive side (Wiley, Warrick, Adams) and give them some great young talented freshmen and you'll see change.

That's fair. It would be amazing for guys to buy into something so quick with no evidence, but more power to him. If he can bring in a solid class, it certainly shortens the time he has to prove himself as a coach.

Meanwhile, on the Michigan side, it looks like they still have a partial shot with about 10 guys that are 4 star or higher (based on scout rankings - choose what you want to believe).
I also read a little blurb about Justin Panter, the JUCO guy they got a commit from. His JUCO coach also coached Rudi Johnson and said that Panter (JUCO Defensive Player of the Year) is the best player he has ever coached. I'm getting pretty hyped over this kid.

Meanwhile, Michigan needs to close the deal with a couple more players before the dead period to maintain at least a little momentum. If they can pick up a couple more at the Army All-American game that should round out a top 10 class for sure.

Funny thing about Cass Tech and their pipeline to State because the best player at Cass Tech is a huge Michigan lean and quite possibly could be the 1st commit in next year's class...........but him and Bark don't exactly get along so it makes sense that Bark wouldn't entirely be feeling Michigan right now.

Per Bill Kurelic - Barks is between MSU and OSU.

ND is out from everything I've heard. LSU has a small shot.

60/30/10 OSU/MSU/LSU from what I've heard is how I'd guess.

And Mustain is supposed to be leaving, TO OKLAHOMA! So Nichol could be on the table again.

More QB recruiting news - Robert Marve 4 star from Florida(Bama Commit) has parents from Michigan and was visited by MD supposed be considering a visit. This kid set passing records in Florida and won a state championship there.

Ashton Leggett from Muskegon got an MSU offer, is visiting this weekend and is expected to verbal there. RoJo also met with MD when MD went to talk to Ashton.

Funny thing about Cass Tech and their pipeline to State because the best player at Cass Tech is a huge Michigan lean and quite possibly could be the 1st commit in next year's class...........but him and Bark don't exactly get along so it makes sense that Bark wouldn't entirely be feeling Michigan right now.

You mean the best player outside of Barksdale.

I know the world revolves around Michigan, but chances are Bark didn't eliminate Michigan because a kid younger than him feels them. If you read the Rivals article, it sounds like this is a Spartan household and Cass coaches are pro MSU too. That probably has more to do with it.

Per Bill Kurelic - Barks is between MSU and OSU.

ND is out from everything I've heard. LSU has a small shot.

60/30/10 OSU/MSU/LSU from what I've heard is how I'd guess.

And Mustain is supposed to be leaving, TO OKLAHOMA! So Nichol could be on the table again.

More QB recruiting news - Robert Marve 4 star from Florida(Bama Commit) has parents from Michigan and was visited by MD supposed be considering a visit. This kid set passing records in Florida and won a state championship there.

Ashton Leggett from Muskegon got an MSU offer, is visiting this weekend and is expected to verbal there. RoJo also met with MD when MD went to talk to Ashton.

What great news all around. I really hope MD stays on this and I'm sure he will. Given how Barks parents feel, we've got a really good shot.

As far as Nichol goes, I would love to see Mustain go to OU. Where did you hear this? If MD gets Barksdale, Nichol has got to feel recommiting to MSU. He'd return to an even better class.

The Florida kid sounds like a great option, but convincing a Florida QB might be a tough task.

Man, I'm loving all this good news. How great would it be to just have a solid football program in addition to our basketball program.

What great news all around. I really hope MD stays on this and I'm sure he will. Given how Barks parents feel, we've got a really good shot.

As far as Nichol goes, I would love to see Mustain go to OU. Where did you hear this? If MD gets Barksdale, Nichol has got to feel recommiting to MSU. He'd return to an even better class.

The Florida kid sounds like a great option, but convincing a Florida QB might be a tough task.

Man, I'm loving all this good news. How great would it be to just have a solid football program in addition to our basketball program.

Now rumors have Mustain staying, we'll see how that plays out. I'm hoping he leave to OU though, if only for my selfish reasons.

And the Florida kid likes the south a lot, but MSU is supposed to have an in via his parents. We'll see if MD can get him in for a visit.


- 'The Morning News' is reporting that 1 of the Springfield kids is going, but the other 2, one being Mustain, are staying. We'll see if that holds true, but sounding like Mustain is staying now.

I just read up on the Florida kid you were talking about. The 4 Star QB sounds very interested in MSU. Only problem is that he wants to wait and see who Alabama hires first. His parents sound like they are running the show with this kid. They sound way overprotective.

His parents are from Michigan and they met at Saginaw Valley State University. But, I don't how much that helps considering they don't live there now.

I guess we'll see, but I'd definately take him. 4 Star this late? Yes, sir!

I just read up on the Florida kid you were talking about. The 4 Star QB sounds very interested in MSU. Only problem is that he wants to wait and see who Alabama hires first. His parents sound like they are running the show with this kid. They sound way overprotective.

His parents are from Michigan and they met at Saginaw Valley State University. But, I don't how much that helps considering they don't live there now.

I guess we'll see, but I'd definately take him. 4 Star this late? Yes, sir!

I think it is more like an NFL dad saying 'You've got options, now don't fuck it up, you've got time'. His dad played in the NFL and all, for the Lions IIRC. I think that some family still lives in Michigan too.

I think Eugene Marve played for the Bills, maybe the Patroits, just to clear that up. Was he a TE?

I think Eugene Marve played for the Bills, maybe the Patroits, just to clear that up. Was he a TE?

LB, but you're right on the Bills.

Oh boy, big article on Rivals today. Moodini, if you can post the article that would be great. They are claiming the article has breaking news in it about Ronald Johnson.

It says he came with the most shocking news of the night. Could we actually have a chance with Barksdale and RoJo? Too good to be true in my mind.

I'd like to see Barksdale commit to State before RoJo makes his decision. I think that a Barksdale commitment might show RoJo that others are buying into the new program and it might push him to join his brother in East Lansing.

Oh boy, big article on Rivals today. Moodini, if you can post the article that would be great. They are claiming the article has breaking news in it about Ronald Johnson.

It says he came with the most shocking news of the night. Could we actually have a chance with Barksdale and RoJo? Too good to be true in my mind.

I'd like to see Barksdale commit to State before RoJo makes his decision. I think that a Barksdale commitment might show RoJo that others are buying into the new program and it might push him to join his brother in East Lansing.

Talk of RoJo coming to EL is too much for me to take.

Dantonio tutored under Tressel, what if he abosrbed that "presence" thing that Tressel has?
In the Spartan rag, there was a blurb about Dantonio pointing to the Michigan table (Ron English and others were there), and said "I promise you: we WILL be a player in this state", much like Tressel called out Michigan when he got the job.
This could get interesting.

hey guys.Just want to point out that you MSU guys dont need to get your hopes up On Barksdale or Rojo...Barksdale will end up down south at prolly LSU and RoJo will be at Michigan or USC..

hey guys.Just want to point out that you MSU guys dont need to get your hopes up On Barksdale or Rojo...Barksdale will end up down south at prolly LSU and RoJo will be at Michigan or USC..

Thanks for your opinion, care to back it up with some information?

If Barksdale doesn't go to State, he will be at Ohio State. You aren't very informed, just biased.

RoJo has added MSU to his official visit list. The Spartans will be his 5th and final stop on January 5th.

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=175&p=8&c=1&nid=2392432

Official visit dates are at the bottom.

RoJo has added MSU to his official visit list. The Spartans will be his 5th and final stop on January 5th.

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=175&p=8&c=1&nid=2392432

Official visit dates are at the bottom.

Oh boy, I'm loving that. I like having the final stop. Barksdale is announcing on the 6th at the AA game. It would be nice (if Bark chose State) for him to let State know on the 5th prior to the game. That way, MD can let RoJo know that Bark is in. It would be a strong selling point.

You know, the fact that we are talking about this 2 weeks into MD's career at State really shows something about him. I don't want to get too premature with all of this, but early indications are that this guy can really recruit.

Getting into the running for 4 and 5 star guys after only talking to them for a week is IMPRESSIVE.

Getting into the running for 4 and 5 star guys after only talking to them for a week is IMPRESSIVE.

Yeah, if its him, and not Rojo's brother, I'm super impressed. If nothing else he's been agressive.

hey guys.Just want to point out that you MSU guys dont need to get your hopes up On Barksdale or Rojo...Barksdale will end up down south at prolly LSU and RoJo will be at Michigan or USC..

LSU is out. They are a DISTANT 3rd right now.

Kurelic, his coaches, and even Barksdale have said that.

OSU vs. MSU that's what it is.

Oh boy, I'm loving that. I like having the final stop. Barksdale is announcing on the 6th at the AA game. It would be nice (if Bark chose State) for him to let State know on the 5th prior to the game. That way, MD can let RoJo know that Bark is in. It would be a strong selling point.

You know, the fact that we are talking about this 2 weeks into MD's career at State really shows something about him. I don't want to get too premature with all of this, but early indications are that this guy can really recruit.

Getting into the running for 4 and 5 star guys after only talking to them for a week is IMPRESSIVE.

RoJo shows up on the 5th, is feeling the love from MD, Barks commits on the 6th, RoJo gets hyped and commits on the 8th(Sunday)? Unlikely as hell, but damn would that be nice.

OK, can we stop with the wierd nicknames and abbreviations? Barks? WTF? That sounds like cute little name for a second grader. Why do we keep hyping the state of Maryland? (MD).

OK, can we stop with the wierd nicknames and abbreviations? Barks? WTF? That sounds like cute little name for a second grader. Why do we keep hyping the state of Maryland? (MD).

Dantonio is annoying to type, so MD = way better.
And Barks for Barksdale = weird, yeah OK.

Sports are the home of nicknames, seriously, Billy "White Shoes" Johnson, Dick "Night Train" Lane, and so on, if you think these nicknames are that bad, how do you survive an episode of sportscenter?

Thanks for your opinion, care to back it up with some information?

If Barksdale doesn't go to State, he will be at Ohio State. You aren't very informed, just biased.

LOL..and you say im biased. Before trying to sound like your more informed than me,know me first....RoJo is taking all his visits because Terrance Taylor told him to use up all his visits..Its either Michigan or USC....Barksdale will not end up at MSU.....Just a little info from well inside..But im just making this up.....

LOL..and you say im biased. Before trying to sound like your more informed than me,know me first....RoJo is taking all his visits because Terrance Taylor told him to use up all his visits..Its either Michigan or USC....Barksdale will not end up at MSU.....Just a little info from well inside..But im just making this up.....

So far inside you think it's LSU?

Sorry if I don't believe you. You're probably right about Barksdale not going to MSU, but my dog could've told me the same thing. You may have 'sources' you may not, I don't know. But to say 'He's going to LSU' when he's said that they are essentially out of it seems well, like an ignorant hater.

OSU
MSU
LSU
ND

That's probably his final order, maybe MD will be able to get MSU in front, maybe not, but that's how his order most likely looks.

LOL..and you say im biased. Before trying to sound like your more informed than me,know me first....RoJo is taking all his visits because Terrance Taylor told him to use up all his visits..Its either Michigan or USC....Barksdale will not end up at MSU.....Just a little info from well inside..But im just making this up.....

Well he dropped the Texas visit, and added MSU, that's the part that's news.

LOL..and you say im biased. Before trying to sound like your more informed than me,know me first....RoJo is taking all his visits because Terrance Taylor told him to use up all his visits..Its either Michigan or USC....Barksdale will not end up at MSU.....Just a little info from well inside..But im just making this up.....

If you are a Michigan guy that is on the inside, what the hell do you know about Barksdale and LSU?

You might know some inside info on Rojo, but Barksdale? Prove it.

OK, can we stop with the wierd nicknames and abbreviations? Barks? WTF? That sounds like cute little name for a second grader. Why do we keep hyping the state of Maryland? (MD).

I'm starting to realize that everything that comes out of Moodini is one giant hypocrisy (sp?).

Complain about number of MSU threads, but participate in 8,000 UM threads.

Complain about it always being about MSU bball during fball season, but bring up UM/MSU fball in 80% of your bball posts.

Now complaining about MSU nicknames on a message board. Let's see if I can trigger any memories Moodini...

DHort
CDub
BigPlayBray
SuperMario
HartAttack

lol...what a joke.

You hate MSU with a passion, I get it. But you might want to avoid the hypocrite comments while reaching for ways to rip MSU.

Big rumors out of Souther Cal are stating that Rojo may be cancelling his final two visits and he has committed to USC. This is only a rumor so don't shoot the messenger, but it has been reported on 3 different websites so far.

Big rumors out of Souther Cal are stating that Rojo may be cancelling his final two visits and he has committed to USC. This is only a rumor so don't shoot the messenger, but it has been reported on 3 different websites so far.

Reeeeally? That would be major news. Do you guys think that RoJo's brother commiting to MSU would sway him away from Michigan? If they are close, they might not want to compete against each other. Sure, RoJo could play the WR position in college. But, if he's thinking DB and his bro is playing WR, you'd think they wouldn't want to have to compete against one another.

Big rumors out of Souther Cal are stating that Rojo may be cancelling his final two visits and he has committed to USC. This is only a rumor so don't shoot the messenger, but it has been reported on 3 different websites so far.

This would be something, because I was just reading up on RoJo on Rivals Hot List and the last thing I read was, "Michigan has penciled RoJo in as a commitment."

Big rumors out of Souther Cal are stating that Rojo may be cancelling his final two visits and he has committed to USC. This is only a rumor so don't shoot the messenger, but it has been reported on 3 different websites so far.

What happened was Hemholdt(the UM insider guy) did a response 'headline mess with you thing' to get back at SpartanMag's board for doing the same with Barks and Johnson.

Per everything I've heard/read - it's BS.

The whole thread was great...he actually sounded like he wasn't having the typical USC recruit great time, was seen at practice sitting by himself while the other recruits hyped it up with the players. BANK

It might not take Barksdale going to MSU to make you look like an idiot...

Welcome TommyZ.

Thanks for sharing your insight/information.

Welcome TommyZ.

Thanks for sharing your insight/information.

Thanks..I'll hopefully not turn out to be the jackass with mis information

Thanks..I'll hopefully not turn out to be the jackass with mis information

Welcome Tommy. I appreciate good posters here. We need more that discuss like you and less that just talk garbage all the time.

Welcome Tommy. I appreciate good posters here. We need more that discuss like you and less that just talk garbage all the time.

I try..I dont want to be one of those posters if you know what I mean

Jeth/Tre,

At what point does this topic deserve a new thread?

400+ posts over a year+ period of time gets to be a bit unwieldy for people to sift through, especially new people. Just my 2 cents.

Maybe you guys are trying to set some sort of record.

Jeth/Tre,

At what point does this topic deserve a new thread?

400+ posts over a year+ period of time gets to be a bit unwieldy for people to sift through, especially new people. Just my 2 cents.

Maybe you guys are trying to set some sort of record.

I'll start a new one.

Okay, I'll close this thread and we can get back to football recruiting as Glenn suggested. Look to the sticky area for the new one.