@MikeAScotto
Sources: Detroit Pistons have discussed a deal to acquire Tobias Harris from the Orlando Magic for Brandon Jennings and Ersan Ilyasova.

Done deal, per @vgoodshill

No problem seeing Ilyasova go, he was a weak link. Jennings was never going to be a big part of a contending team, IMO.

Harris is basically a free agent signing for next year that we get to use early.

De-escalating salary is nice, too

Tobias Harris
$16,000,000
$17,200,000
$16,000,000
$14,800,000

Always seemed like a bit of a chucker when I've watched him, but that's SVG's style I guess.

Now we just wait for Joe Johnson to get bought out and grab him at the minimum, lol

Poor Tahoe.

New kid needs to hit threes like last year, not like his is currently.
Playing the most minutes on the team per game but offensive output is down from last year (not shooting as much and missing his 3s).

SVG gets a guy back he knows and Skiles gets two that he had in Milwaukee.

That Jennings/Skiles dynamic must be interesting.

But hey, no state sales tax in FLA.

Glad we did something. It looks like he's about the same size as MM. I read he's a SF or PF. Seems like a SF at 6'8". So does he just start in Illy's place?

Nice contract. No sarcasm.

Thanks for that fun 7-game winning streak or whatever it was, Brandon.

Poor Tahoe.

New kid needs to hit threes like last year, not like his is currently.
Playing the most minutes on the team per game but offensive output is down from last year (not shooting as much and missing his 3s).


Can you check and see how many games he's had over 20pts for me?

Morris 36mins, 13.8pts, 5.1rebounds
Harris 33mins, 13.7pts, 7 rebounds.


Damn close. Harris is 23.

Too lazy to look up his stats, but wasn't there a string of games last year (?) where Harris was putting up triple-doubles or something? I might not be remembering that right. Maybe it was big rebounding numbers or something.

I don't see any triple doubles. I might not be reading the stats right though.

I don't see any triple doubles. I might not be reading the stats right though.

What you're going to want to look for is double digit numbers in three of the following categories: points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks

What you're going to want to look for is double digit numbers in three of the following categories: points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks

Try to not read that in his voice.

Gla, I think you are remembering Harris hitting clutch shots last year.

6 games @ 20pts or more T. Only 4 specifically "over 20".
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harrito02/gamelog/2016/

What you're going to want to look for is double digit numbers in three of the following categories: points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks


I just went to this link and looked under TRIDBL column for his career.


http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/6440/tobias-harris

Almost as many DBLDBLs this year (10) as he had last year already (11).

I was only off a few years, but I think this April 2013 stuff is what I was remembering

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6440/year/2013/tobias-harris

@badboysremix
Udrih might be available for free. Not sure he's enough though

Oh, he's enough.

I don't hate it but it doesn't really make any sense. Ersan was a decent fit, playing hard defense, rebounds well and stretching the d. Now we replace him with a smaller version of himself who's a more skilled scorer but relatively undersized 4. And Reggie's been getting beaten up as it is and now we have no backup? They must see a lot of growth coming for Tobias which I'm down with. I think it makes them much worse short term though.



I also feel like we now have three tweener forwards and no true 3 or 4, though Stanley will be able to fake it at the 3 a few more years.

You don't think Johnson is a real 3?

I don't hate it but it doesn't really make any sense. Ersan was a decent fit, playing hard defense, rebounds well and stretching the d. Now we replace him with a smaller version of himself who's a more skilled scorer but relatively undersized 4. And Reggie's been getting beaten up as it is and now we have no backup? They must see a lot of growth coming for Tobias which I'm down with. I think it makes them much worse short term though.



I also feel like we now have three tweener forwards and no true 3 or 4, though Stanley will be able to fake it at the 3 a few more years.


You don't think Johnson is a real 3?

Seems like TH can create his own shot underneath and is more athletic than Illy. So its an upgrade. I haven't had the time to look up Illy's contract to compare to TH. edit...just did. I knew it was more for TH, but didn't think it was that much more. Holy shit.


There is NOT a lot, if any, negatives to this trade. A slight improvement at least and who knows, maybe we'll get lucky and he fits our roster a lot better and kind of breaks out with us.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14788289/the-pistons-definitely-get-high-grade-tobias-harris-deal

Lowe agrees with Vin that we are worse today than we were yesterday but loves the trade for us long term and overall.

You don't think Johnson is a real 3?
I think he is but he's a big boy already. I think our best case scenario is he evolves into a Matrixesque combo forward playing as an oversized 3 most of the time......which I guess is fine.

The more I think about this the more I don't mind it, I actually think we'll end up seeing MM playing more at the 4 and all three guys really splitting all 96 forward minutes.

Seems like TH can create his own shot underneath and is more athletic than Illy. So its an upgrade. I haven't had the time to look up Illy's contract to compare to TH. edit...just did. I knew it was more for TH, but didn't think it was that much more. Holy shit.


There is NOT a lot, if any, negatives to this trade. A slight improvement at least and who knows, maybe we'll get lucky and he fits our roster a lot better and kind of breaks out with us.


The negative might be the contract. ???

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2617174-nba-tuesday-trade-roundup-pistons-think-short-and-long-term-with-tobias-harris

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joshbenjamin/2016/02/16/detroit-pistons-commit-highway-robbery-acquire-tobias-harris/#5e9ed7a7575b

Harris is basically a free agent signing for next year that we get to use early.

But I don't know the game, right?

^ Read that. I've come to the realization, again, that Detroit isn't that great FA destination. Going to have to build a better team through draft and trades. A really good FA might be a final piece, but doubt we'll get anyone to come here to help rebuild.


Do we have room for another max contract? And then sign Dre, go over cap, with Bird rights? Or did RJ and TH chew up most of our space?

So we're at 70m for next year before we sign Dre. Cap is expected to go to 89m in one post I just read. The 70m does not include Tolly. So a player will need to be added, but it seems like we could sign a max FA in the offseason and then go over for Dre.


That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

"There wasn't a doubt in anybody's mind on our staff that this was a better player, on a better contract, than anybody we'd be able to get this summer with what's coming up," Van Gundy said. "You've got to know who you are, and we aren't in the position yet, that with 30 teams having money, that we're going to be on the top of everyone's list on the free-agent market. So to be able to get good, young players who are locked in is the ideal for us."

I like the move. I have a hunch that this kid does better with a coach other than Skiles. It sure as shit beats reuniting the Morris twins.

@ShamsCharania
Vertical Sources: Miami Heat, guard Beno Udrih nearing agreement on a contract buyout. yhoo.it/1WShp9r