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3 years, $19M

HOLY FUCK

http://i62.tinypic.com/sypnvt.jpg

MANY MOCKED US

I think this is a good signing. just above the MLE so it's not like we'll wildly overpaying for a FA just to beg him to come to Detroit- which is usually the case. this kid is a really good shooter something we DESPERATELY need. I think this is a good deal- he's young and very capable of filling a crucial role for us. that's what you need- and he fits in well IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY2dfOhZ3rM

This is reminiscent of Charlie V signing to me. Raced out and spent MLE+ dollars for a specialist, without letting the playing field materialize. Paying a guy like this $6M+ is okay if you need that one piece to contend, but that's not us.

Just like 2009, I'd rather use the cap space to facilitate a trade, maybe pick up a lottery pick. Something similar to Boozer's situation plus a 1st. Not for the player, for the pick and to maintain flexibility.

Meeks is a guy that you use the mini MLE or that value on, IMO. Who cares if he helps us win 3-4 more games so we squeak into the #8 spot?

It just seems like we keep playing this game wrong.

I don't see him as someone who commands the mini MLE. he's worth more than that. 26 years old- he's on the rise my friend. he's not a big name or even known to most fans but I've seen him play a lot and this kid is not just a specialist. he can play a big role. did you see how valuable shooters are? he is a flat out scorer and will be a good player.

furthermore, I agree with you about trades but you're not going to be able to use your cap space for a trade unless you're going to take on a longterm horrible contract. how would that help us? it's much easier said than done.

SVG is going about it the right way IMO- we have to target second tier guys for less but guys who are on the rise. meeks is overlooked and not an excitable signing for the fanbase but give SVG a chance- this is EXACTLY what he said he'd do.

no huge FA contracts like CK's deal was- 5 years and $30 million. all he could do was shoot and he was a horrible player otherwise. meeks is not that guy. he can play and is not just a specialist. plus his deal is cheaper and for only 3 years. not comparable when you look at the numbers or the players if you ask me.

also did you watch the youtube clip- he scored 54 points in 54 seconds- that's unheard of!!!!! ;o)

but seriously- it gives you a glimpse of the type of shooter and scorer he is. he's finding a place in the nba and pair him with Drummond and a decent PG- soon to come- and he will be even better. may not be a big name superstar but he will be an effective scorer and a winner. see what the spurs do and how they fit guys into their system and this is that type of move for us as we try to climb the ladder.

I honestly couldn't see anyone having given him more than $4M. I like him as a piece but I'm pretty sure we were bidding against ourselves as soon as we passed 3/$10M.

Nearly $14M in cap room.

Meeks is a good signing for teams over the cap, not using half of your cap room.

I honestly couldn't see anyone having given him more than $4M. I like him as a piece but I'm pretty sure we were bidding against ourselves as soon as we passed 3/$10M.

again, I'm sure we paid bit more than his actual market value- that is how FA works. but what are you basing this on? i think you're basing it on the value YOU put on him. reality is that's not how it works- if our FO is paying him more than double what any other team would pay him then we're doomed. there's no way that's the case. the truth is his value and pricetag is much higher than most fans are willing to accept simply because they don't know him well (or at all) or because they don't have a good understanding of the market.

Nobody in the NBA makes under $5 mil plus in free agency everyone overpays. Thats the system for all sports. Either way it doesn't matter because #KingJames can not be stopped

again, I'm sure we paid bit more than his actual market value- that is how FA works. but what are you basing this on? i think you're basing it on the value YOU put on him. reality is that's not how it works- if our FO is paying him more than double what any other team would pay him then we're doomed. there's no way that's the case. the truth is his value and pricetag is much higher than most fans are willing to accept simply because they don't know him well (or at all) or because they don't have a good understanding of the market.
No, I am basing it off of actual dollar values that comparable players tend to sign for. The audacity.....

The audacity.....

So I'm not the only one that feels like things are getting a little condescendy in here, lol

As a Stuckey replacement, this might not be too bad.

I wonder if Gores had a hand in this, given the LA thing.

I really want to see what happens with Monroe.
I see pieces, but it's hard to make sense of them.

I still would prefer the trade route, but if we were determined to go with FA, Lance Stephenson and Ariza are prob going to end up getting around $9M.

Deng is probably going to be in that range, too, maybe $10M.

Would have much rather used our space on guys like that.

If we could have signed one of the guys above for $10M or less, we might have still been able to get Meeks for $4M. Certainly could have gotten Morrow.

#smh

i'm not being condescending, i just don't know that those are realistic numbers.

are you serious about deng or ariza? no thanks to paying them $9M+ a year!!! stephenson is talented but he's an idiot and for the price he'd cost, i wouldn't touch him.

how on earth is ariza worth in the $9M a year range when his numbers are comparable or even lower than meeks'? i'm just curious about your thought process on that one.

Meeks' numbers are an abberration IMO. He was handed a major role due to their entire roster being decimated by injury. He's not going to do that here.

Ariza was great in the playoffs, has length, can defend the wing, is more athletic, plays SF, etc.

"This year, only three players in the entire NBA made at least 40% of their threes, 50% of their twos, and averaged at least 15 points per game: Stephen Curry, Goran Dragic, and…Jodie Meeks."

an efficient shooter/scorer who is still young with upside and athletic enough to hound 2 guards AND PGs pretty well. this is a good signing IMO even IF we 'overpaid' him $1M a year over 3 years. (i'll conceed that point merely for arguments sake) i don't get the outrage over this deal when most of the league would pay this guy their MLE and we paid just slightly above that for only 3 years.

As a Stuckey replacement, this might not be too bad.

I wonder if Gores had a hand in this, given the LA thing.

I really want to see what happens with Monroe.
I see pieces, but it's hard to make sense of them.

I can. The Pistons are running the offense around Drummond. The targets and players aquired so far indicate this team wants 4 range shooters and high pick and rolls with Drummond playing cleanup and being a roll man.

I wouldn't be surprised if both Smith and Moose get moved. Jennings is looking like a backup plan if this Thomas thing doesn't fall through. We are probably stuck with Smith though.
Even still, he would be able to space on the baseline and provide a nice iso option high post. Assuming SVG can keep discipline. : /

Meeks' numbers are an abberration IMO. He was handed a major role due to their entire roster being decimated by injury. He's not going to do that here.

Ariza was great in the playoffs, has length, can defend the wing, is more athletic, plays SF, etc.

Wut? Meeks became more efficient with more minutes. He is also consistently a good 3 point shooter off the bench or as a starter.
Ariza would be great, but why are we even comparing a SG to a SF? Or pretending that getting one means we can't have the other?
You better get used to the idea of this team loading up on shooters because that is what is about to happen for the next couple years.

I would be very happy if we had signed him to a contract along the lines of what Dorrell Wright got with Portland last year or something like that, $3M a year or so. That is my main issue with the Meeks signing, not that I don't think and hope that he will be great and worth every penny we pay him but that I feel that's where the market is for that type of player based on where similar players have signed the last several years. Run on sentences rule. I really don't think anyone else was going to step to the plate past around $4M per or 3/$10M really.

Best, worst offseason deals thus far
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyPage=5-on-5-140704

This is reminiscent of Charlie V signing to me. Raced out and spent MLE+ dollars for a specialist, without letting the playing field materialize. Paying a guy like this $6M+ is okay if you need that one piece to contend, but that's not us.

Just like 2009, I'd rather use the cap space to facilitate a trade, maybe pick up a lottery pick. Something similar to Boozer's situation plus a 1st. Not for the player, for the pick and to maintain flexibility.

Meeks is a guy that you use the mini MLE or that value on, IMO. Who cares if he helps us win 3-4 more games so we squeak into the #8 spot?

It just seems like we keep playing this game wrong.

What is happening is exactly what I was talking about. Now the Cavs need to move Jarrett Jack (approx $6M/yr) to clear space for LeBron. They are going to end up having top attach more value to him to make this happen, likely one of the many first round picks that they have.

Would you rather have ...

Jodie Meeks at 3 years, $6M per

or

Jarrett Jack at 2 years, $6M per
AND
a 1st round pick

???

I'd rather have LeBron

doesn't jack have about 4 years left on his contract?

even if we could fit his salary under the cap, there's no way we could fit his head ANYWHERE in the state of michigan.

dem 1st rounders be nice though.

doesn't jack have about 4 years left on his contract?
Just 2 and change. His third year remaining is only $500k guaranteed.


]even if we could fit his salary under the cap, there's no way we could fit his head ANYWHERE in the state of michigan.

dem 1st rounders be nice though.
Would you rather have Jack of Jameer?

He's basically an expiring next year.

Could have added him instead of Meeks, added another 1st rounder, and still have about $8M in room to play with for a starting SF or to absorb another trade target.

Just sayin.

I don't see it as an either or situation. we said we wanted a vet PG and jack is that. if we really wanted him we still could have him. but do we want to use that cap room for the next 2 seasons on a guy who has no longterm role? I dunno- I would love to get at least one of those 1st rounders but they're likely to be late ones especially if bron bron is back in Cleveland. that's a steep price to pay for a late 1st. you can BUY a 1st rounder for far less.

plus I could see him and van gundy butting heads. literally no room for that gi-normous head.