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Pistons lose, 101-90.

Do they even get 200 fans

miss u George

losed

So horrible.

Better not make the playoffs. Need house cleaned.

Need house cleaned.

Also, car.

We keep the draft pick if we end up in the top 8 right?

So horrible.

Better not make the playoffs. Need house cleaned.

Not sure that will even help. Very unimpressed with ownership too.

Just curious, what has ownership done to lose favor, other than not fire Joe?

I guess I'll start with qualifying this by saying that really I'm going on everything I've read or seen so my interpretation of things may not be perfect. But I guess that's really how all this sports opinion stuff works anyway.

It's not that Gores somehow lost my favor. He didn't fit the profile of the owner I wanted in the first place. The Michigan/Detroit thing is nice but I couldn't care less about it. Gores made his own money and that's respectable. But he didn't make it by building and growing a company that actually created something whether that be a product or a service. He hadn't shown that he excelled by creating a talented and successful management team to lead his company and that he understood how to direct that team correctly setting clear expectations and then knowing how to stand back, support and let his team run things.

The profile part is arguable. Very arguable. There have been great owners who are the sons of previous owners. Dan Snyder created his own company and he's a terrible owner. But he's a great example about how to create (or not create in his case) a good management team, set expectations and then let them go and do. Look at most of the better organizations like the Pats, Illitch teams or even Davidson's Pistons and you'll see a clear management team running things. Of course a management team and a hands-off owner isn't a guarantee. For a wonderful example please see: Lions, Detroit.

But Gores never set that up. He didn't go an hire top basketball guys. He used his guys. He even started with management not being in Detroit. Then he sent his guys around to seminars on numbers and stats and stuff hoping they'd learn this basketball thing.

He has done a horrible job at managing Joe. Either fire him or set real expectations and trust him. There was way too much talk about how he was a proactive player in coaching decisions. Now of course the role of an owner should play in hiring a coach is up for debate. But I think there's a difference between the owner who's had experience and one who hasn't getting a say in things. Plus the coaching hires have still sucked (unless Cheeks shows otherwise).

The whole "I expect to be in the playoffs" thing is horrible management. There should have been clear expectations on how to build the team and where it should be going not some arbitrary (and yes just saying I want to get into the playoffs is arbitrary) goal and pressure. It's the same as a CEO or sales manager saying, "I expect us to double profits this year." Why do you expect that? Have you shown the right growth and can forecast that correctly?

What if that "expectation" led to Joe rolling the dice to save his life with the team he put together, which Gores had liked? I mean there was already some adjusting and making sure that Drummond and Monroe figured out how to work together with Drummond at the C and Monroe at the 4. Now they throw in Josh Smith, because he's got the talent, at the three and hope that will work? I mean isn't this close to some of the shit Isiah did with the Knicks? Maybe not near as bad but still.

So we have no real management team set up that can bring success to the Pistons as an organization and we have an owner who's tries to be hands on or proactive but in the wrong ways.

Even if he fires Joe what has he shown that makes anyone believe he can then get someone or a group of people to run the team and then give them the correct expectations and environment for them to be successful? IMO nothing at all. In fact, and I hope I'm wrong, he's shown the opposite to me so far.

Either I'm more emotional about this than I thought or insomnia is really getting to me.

Thanks for taking the time, very well stated, I can't really argue against any of it, either.

I helped get someone out of a ditch and started watching this game when they were 10 points ahead. Fuck me.

Gores did hire a high-profile consultant for the coaching search.

I think the true test of Gores will be to see if Joe gets another contract extension, especially with a bad team that makes the playoffs in an awful EC.

Oh yeah, that's right. I'd forgotten about the whole Phil Jackson thing. And Joe having to announce "I'm so happy with this decision that I had nothing to do with and was made way over my head. I can't wait to talk to a coach who's run one system his entire career, a system that wouldn't work with the team as currently constructed, who's had a long history of not grooming successful assistants and often getting owned by coaches with better in-game X's and O's."

And all that to find Mo Cheeks whose success as a head coach is at least questionable. That move chipped away quite a bit of the little confidence I had in Gores as an owner.

Again, what makes us think that Gores can find better after he gets rid of Joe?

I guess I'll start with qualifying this by saying that really I'm going on everything I've read or seen so my interpretation of things may not be perfect. But I guess that's really how all this sports opinion stuff works anyway.

It's not that Gores somehow lost my favor. He didn't fit the profile of the owner I wanted in the first place. The Michigan/Detroit thing is nice but I couldn't care less about it. Gores made his own money and that's respectable. But he didn't make it by building and growing a company that actually created something whether that be a product or a service. He hadn't shown that he excelled by creating a talented and successful management team to lead his company and that he understood how to direct that team correctly setting clear expectations and then knowing how to stand back, support and let his team run things.

The profile part is arguable. Very arguable. There have been great owners who are the sons of previous owners. Dan Snyder created his own company and he's a terrible owner. But he's a great example about how to create (or not create in his case) a good management team, set expectations and then let them go and do. Look at most of the better organizations like the Pats, Illitch teams or even Davidson's Pistons and you'll see a clear management team running things. Of course a management team and a hands-off owner isn't a guarantee. For a wonderful example please see: Lions, Detroit.

But Gores never set that up. He didn't go an hire top basketball guys. He used his guys. He even started with management not being in Detroit. Then he sent his guys around to seminars on numbers and stats and stuff hoping they'd learn this basketball thing.

He has done a horrible job at managing Joe. Either fire him or set real expectations and trust him. There was way too much talk about how he was a proactive player in coaching decisions. Now of course the role of an owner should play in hiring a coach is up for debate. But I think there's a difference between the owner who's had experience and one who hasn't getting a say in things. Plus the coaching hires have still sucked (unless Cheeks shows otherwise).

The whole "I expect to be in the playoffs" thing is horrible management. There should have been clear expectations on how to build the team and where it should be going not some arbitrary (and yes just saying I want to get into the playoffs is arbitrary) goal and pressure. It's the same as a CEO or sales manager saying, "I expect us to double profits this year." Why do you expect that? Have you shown the right growth and can forecast that correctly?

What if that "expectation" led to Joe rolling the dice to save his life with the team he put together, which Gores had liked? I mean there was already some adjusting and making sure that Drummond and Monroe figured out how to work together with Drummond at the C and Monroe at the 4. Now they throw in Josh Smith, because he's got the talent, at the three and hope that will work? I mean isn't this close to some of the shit Isiah did with the Knicks? Maybe not near as bad but still.

So we have no real management team set up that can bring success to the Pistons as an organization and we have an owner who's tries to be hands on or proactive but in the wrong ways.

Even if he fires Joe what has he shown that makes anyone believe he can then get someone or a group of people to run the team and then give them the correct expectations and environment for them to be successful? IMO nothing at all. In fact, and I hope I'm wrong, he's shown the opposite to me so far.

Either I'm more emotional about this than I thought or insomnia is really getting to me.

I didn't read all that, but the post being so long means that someone still cares.