well, the game is on.

i need a refresher, why does everyone dislike calderon aGAIN? dude looks like the best player on that team so far.

...and the raptors have been trying to get rid of him for years. He's slow and can't defend for shit.
He'd be perfect for us, though.

Kstat, has anyone in the college ranks stock risen? or is this still going to be a weak draft?

^ for what WE need. We don't need a big, imo.

Kstat, has anyone in the college ranks stock risen? or is this still going to be a weak draft?

Trey Burke is the biggest riser so far. No wings of note aside from shabazz, but Ben mclemore is one to watch out for. Kid isn't big for a SG but he can really play.

I mentioned Calderon as a possible free agent signing... along with Millsap. The idea was shit on because neither play quality D.

My arguement is/was that "good" D is no longer allowed/required in the NBA. They call games for entertainment, for offense. The idea is that a scoreline of 115-110 is better than 87-80, despite the fact that in the 115-110 game both teams shoot 30 fucking free throws each

Watching dudes shoot free throws isn't entertaining... but anyway, where was I....?

Calderon - dude is big enough that you can play Knight off the ball to some extent... dude can run an offense... as a 3rd guard he's pretty fucking good. The drama we will have IF we sign him is: what becomes of Rodney Stuckey? If he's going to be our 3rd guard moving forward and then we choose to sign Calderon this off-season Stuckey would have to be traded...

which would be awesome because he'd be an expiring contract worth $8.5 mil :)

IF we draft this McLenmore kid and he starts at SG, and IF we signed Millsap and Calderon:

Monroe 18/Drummond 30 (Slava as depth)
Millsap 32/Monroe 16 (Jerebko as depth)
Prince 24/Singler 24 (Jerebko, Middleton as depth)
McLenmore 28/Stuckey 20 (English as depth)
Knight 30/Calderon 18

After the season Stuckey can fuck right off and our guards moving forward are McLenmore, Knight, Calderon and English... maybe sign Terrence Williams for depth. Bigs moving forward would be Monroe, Drummond, Millsap with Jerebko and Slava as depth... Prince, Singler and Jerebko are the SFs

for the next 3 years is that team good enough to make a playoff run/freak some teams out?

Right now there are no guards in the top 5 of the draft, and the closest one to breaking in is Trey Burke.

Mclemore is a project right now, but he has enough freakish athleticism where he has a chance to skyrocket up the charts. He could be D-Wade with range, or he could be Harold Miner. Need to see more.

I don't know if it's possible for any guard to look like a good defender in Toronto. There's no big guy protecting the paint when your guy beats you, so what the fuck can you do? Still, I don't know if it was his defense but something sure made Knight play like shit for this game.

The speed thing makes sense though. I didn't realize Calderon had a knack for being slow.

I'd definitely sign the guy to a REASONABLE contract though. I actually liked watching him set up his team mates, and the way he was spoon-feeding Jonas Valancianas in the post was awesome. He'd look good hooking up detroit bigs and teaching the guards how to actually play the offense with a brain.

Toronto has been offering Calderon up for years. They've found no takers for years, despite his gaudy assist numbers every year. The guy is a notoriously bad defender. He just is.

Shit yes I'd love to have him on our team, but the guy has some big weaknesses.

Calderon isn't even a starter for TORONTO. They traded their 1st round pick next season for Kyle Lowry. He's their franchise PG.

Do I think Calderon is under-appreciated in Toronto? Yeah. But the fact remains nobody else in the NBA really appreciates him either, or else he'd have been traded by now.

The only thing that has prevented them from trading Calderon is the contract they gave him. Nobody wanted to give him $10m+ a year for multiple years. They can move him now because he's an expiring, but he's an MLE talent, not twice that.

Toronto has been offering Calderon up for years. They've found no takers for years, despite his gaudy assist numbers every year. The guy is a notoriously bad defender. He just is.

Shit yes I'd love to have him on our team, but the guy has some big weaknesses.

Calderon isn't even a starter for TORONTO. They traded their 1st round pick next season for Kyle Lowry. He's their franchise PG.

Do I think Calderon is under-appreciated in Toronto? Yeah. But the fact remains nobody else in the NBA really appreciates him either, or else he'd have been traded by now.

I kinda remember that he had a really stupid contract. I'm sure that has something to do with it. If he was getting paid Will Bynum money for the last few years there's no way that every team in league would be too dumb to not offer something for him.

Also did Toronto even have another option at the point? I remember Calderon starting for them for quite awhile. where were the rumors of him getting shopped coming from? Teams don't showcase a guy for 5 years typically.

Yeah, but if a team out there felt he was really that good, they'd have traded an expiring contract for him. They also wouldn't have traded a lottery pick for another point guard if they had any intention of keeping him around.

I kinda remember that he had a really stupid contract. I'm sure that has something to do with it. If he was getting paid Will Bynum money for the last few years there's no way that every team in league would be too dumb to not offer something for him.

Also did Toronto even have another option at the point? I remember Calderon starting for them for quite awhile. where were the rumors of him getting shopped coming from? Teams don't showcase a guy for 5 years typically.

I remember a game two years ago where we played the Raptors just before the trade deadline, and the raptors TV guys were speaking like he would be a Piston by the next day. As I recall he even got a standing O from the crowd as a pseudo-send off when he checked out of the game. Every trade deadline, theyre shopping the guy.

I do recall from time to time there would be rumours of Calderon being shopped... but is that a case of him having some serious weaknesses or an indication that Toronto foolishly overpaid him and wanted to move him on?

I'm not saying Calderon doesn't have issues as a player - but IMO he was shopped because they overpaid him and wanted to get out from under his contract

Remember when people said Atlanta was stupid to overpay for Joe Johnson? Worked OK for them... and now Brooklyn overpay him :)

Toronto thought they had a franchise point... and Calderon just didn't get to that level. But they found that out after they gave him huge money. That's on them.

If Calderon was making MLE money he would have been traded years ago. It's that simple IMO.

Anyway, I'm all for signing Calderon this off-season. Him feeding Monroe and Drummond while helping Knight would be awesome! The question is $$$.

Assuming he'll get offers from all over for the MLE how much more would we have to pay for him to choose Detroit over some other location? A starting salary of $6 mil? $7 mil? $8 mil?

At what price point does it stop being worth it? Assuming it's a 3 or 4 year deal... what amount is the limit you'd offer?

Considering he'll be 32, I stop at the MLE.

i wouldn't offer the dude shit unless chauncey billups said no. there might be a few other guys i'd put above him as well. i'd still like him better than the shit i watch on this roster though, but I don't really see how it could be worse so that isn't saying much.

Chauncey Billups will be 37 next summer, and on top of that he can't stay healthy longer than 5 games.

I'd offer Stuckey for Calderon straight up, though.

Point Guards that might interest some of us here:

Jarrett Jack - He's a Joe Dumars Guy
Jose Calderon - 32 year old = veteran/mentor
Chauncey Billups - the farewell tour
Jerryd Bayless - He's a Joe Dumars Guy
Toney Douglas - almost a Joe Dumars Guy

If you guys don't know what I mean when I say "Joe Dumars Guy": back in the day when we had Chauncey and Big Ben the collective basically coined the phrase (since stolen by CM Punk to praise Paul Heyman). It means players who have bounced around the league but haven't really found a home for whatever reason.... like Chauncey and Big Ben before they arrived in Detroit.

Calderon and Billups would be strictly mentor types... Jack would be viewed as our 3rd guard, likely creating issues with Stuckey. Bayless and Douglas would be viewed as depth signings and cheap options... but could end up being something "more"

Chauncey Billups will be 37 next summer, and on top of that he can't stay healthy longer than 5 games.

I'd offer Stuckey for Calderon straight up, though.

I don't care.

1. he deserves to retire a piston.
2. he'll teach the young guys way more.

he can be old and injured and still do those things.

calderon isn't a piece for the future anyways. i'd probably rather have eric maynor over him as well for that reason.

Can someone enlighten me on Maynor? I see his name coming up often when talking about free agents and every time I'm seen the Thunder play he rarely gets off the bench.

Dude played 82 games as a rookie, 9 games last season and so far this season he's played 25 games. For his career he's averaged less than 15 minutes per game!

What kind of money are people thinking of giving him?

In the 25 games he's played this season he's managed to shoot 29 of 94 (30.9%), 12 of 38 from 3 point land (31.6%).

Only played more than 20 minutes twice:

Nov 6 v TOR. Thunder won 108-88 so that explains his big minutes... shot 3 of 9, zero boards, 2 assists, 3 turnovers, 1 steal, 9 points

Nov 26 v CHA. Thunder won 114-69 LMAO. shot 2 of 8, 3 boards, 6 assists, 2 turnovers, 7 points

I realise the numbers don't mean much - it's more about how he plays and how well he'd compliment Knight, Monroe and Drummond...but how can anyone reasonably judge Maynor when the kid has played less than 15 minutes per game over 100+ games and his career shooting percentages are pretty poor?

My "pick" as a Joe Dumars like signing is Bayless....

So far this season Bayless has played 23 games, averages over 16 minutes per... played over 20 minutes 4 times this season (FWIW he's averaged over 20 minutes for a season twice):

Nov 17 v CHA Grizz won 94-87... Bayless went 2 for 5 from the floor, 2 boards, 3 assists, 2 turnovers, 3 BLOCKS, 5 points

Nov 26 v CLE Grizz won 84-78... Bayless started, played 34 minutes, 3 of 11 from the floor, 3 boards, 6 assists, 3 turnovers, 1 steal, 2 BLOCKS, 9 points

Dec 1 v Spurs Grizz lost 99-95... shot 1 for 8 from the floor, 1 board, 3 assists, 1 turnover, 1 steal, 5 points

Dec 7 v Hornets Grizz won 96-89... shot 1 of 2 from the floor, 4 boards, 2 assists, 1 turnover, 5 points

Then on Decmber 14th Bayless hands out 11 assists in 17 minutes (only 1 turnover), Grizz beat Denver in Denver, his +/- stat is +6 and he scored zero points!

Why do I think Joe Dumars would look at Jerryd Bayless (and possibly want to eat him, I mean sign him)? Bayless is 25 years old next August, was picked 11th by Indiana, traded to Portland on Draft Day, traded to New Orleans in 2010... then later traded to Toronto... Raptors withdrew their qualifying offer this past off-season so he signed with Memphis...but he has a player option for next season that pays him slightly less than $4 mil

Assuming he doesn't opt out what would it take to get him from the Grizz? A team over the tax threshold?

The fact Bayless has bounced around the league for so long and has never found a home is a worry... but Joe seemed to love those kind of dudes back in the day. Especially guys who have been through the ringer and haven't even scratched the surface of their talent yet. Bayless also has playoff experience - made it with the Blazers back in 08-09 and 09-10...

his playoff numbers from 09-10 = 27 minutes per, 13.5 points, 2.7 boards, 3.8 assists, 43% FG, 40% from 3 point land, 6 games played, started 2 of them... 6 games ain't much experience but they all count... don't they?

Guys like Jack, Bayless and Dorell Wright used to be what Joe was looking for... maybe he goes back to that after the failure that was Nova and BG? Maybe he doesn't?

Fun Fact: Jerryd Bayless has been traded for Jarrett Jack TWICE! Portland acquired Bayless on Draft Day for Brandon Rush.. Jack was part of the extra shit that went into that deal. Then Toronto acquired Bayless and Peja for Jack, my boy Marcus Banks (old school reference) and Aussie David Andersen!

Bayless is expiring?

His career is expiring...

He has a player option for next season that pays him less than $4 mil

He probably won't opt out but you never know. IF Joe wanted to sign him we could easily send word to his agent. I'm certain that kind of thing happens all the time

And GD's response is exactly what most people think. Bayless is 25 years old and unlike some other players who have bounced around the league Bayless has proven he can contribute in a back up role.

He's nothing amazing but IMO he's not on his way out of the league.

I'm not saying we should sign Bayless or that he fixes any issues this team has. I'm saying the guy is 25 years old and over his career he has contributed here and there... without really being given a home. He just screams "Joe Dumars Guy" to me...

I'll have to do some research but I'm fairly sure he started some games for the Raptors last season and did pretty well.

And assuming he doesn't opt out Memphis might be interested in dumping him to avoid paying more tax.

i'd actually take bayless over calderon. i just didn't know about his player option.

We don't need another point guard that does nothing but shoot.

Bayless does nothing but shoot? Really? You've probably seen him play more than I have this season (haven't seen a Grizz game yet)

He does attempt 5.5 shots per game in under 17 minutes... which is quite a bit IMO but he's playing in Memphis where the bench is pretty shallow...

Let's assume in 36 minutes he'd jack up 11 shots...maybe 12. Rondo averages that many shots in 37 minutes. CP3 and Dragic also "jack up" 11 shots but they do it in 32 minutes... Mo Williams and Nelson, Lin, Teague and our boy Knight average between 10 and 12 shots per game... all play approx 32 minutes

Assuming we signed Bayless is he likely to come in and jack it up? Assuming of course that we had McLemore and Knight starting at guard with Stuckey and Bayless as the back ups.... and English as depth

Bayliss keeps his shots down because he knows if he starts jacking them up with gay, gasol and Randolph on the floor, he wont have a job the next day.

His career has bombed because he isn't big enough to be a 2 and he has no PG skills.

Coin flip chance he has a place in the nba next year. Terrance Williams had a better shot and he's gone.

Also, let's slow down on the mclemore thing. If the draft were held today, he'd get picked in the teens. He's nothing but raw potential so far. Nobody drafts a shooting guard top-5 unless they prove they can play.

Again, I'm not pimping Bayless - just saying that he seems like a Dumars kind of guy based on the fact he's 25 and has bounced around a lot. He's shown some potential at times but for whatever reason he's never really found a role/home where he could "blossom".

As for the Draft:

Are we likely to get a top 5 pick? I was thinking we'd be picking in that 6-10 range as usual :)

I'm expecting a late season surge once Drummond and Monroe are starting together... huge win streak in March or April as teams "lose the right way"

I'd take a chance on a supreme athlete for our perimeter in the 6-10 range, especially as people claim the talent in the Draft is pretty even.

With Drummond, Knight and Monroe here I think we can afford to take a bit of a risk on a player that might be awesome in 2 or 3 years.

Since you keep tabs on the college kids Kstat what is the best and worst case scenarios for McLemore?

Bayliss keeps his shots down because he knows if he starts jacking them up with gay, gasol and Randolph on the floor, he wont have a job the next day.
so? he likes to shoot, but he doesn't do it as much when there are better options on the floor. how is that a bad thing?
he also plays a lot of 2 guard next to Conley. It isn't his job to facilitate there, and it's unrealistic to not expect his stats to reflect that.

He likes to shoot, and he's not very good at it. He's a smaller version of stuckey. No team wants to keep him.

He likes to shoot, and he's not very good at it. He's a smaller version of stuckey. No team wants to keep him.

huh? if he's a smaller stuckey then sutckey is a bigger tony allen. next you'll be telling me brandon knight is the next tony parker. lol.

None of that makes any sense.

First things first: IF Joe somehow acquired Bayless there is no way he'd be a shoot first player on this team...

he'd be the 4th guard, 5th if English is given any serious run.

The idea behind acquiring Bayless is to see what he could do on this team, with Drummond, Monroe, Knight, Prince, Singler, our rookie (McLemore), Stuckey and a damn good free agent

Bayless may or may not end up being worth keeping... but if he ends up being a waste of space he expires after next season, along with Stuckey.

Ideally McLemore, Knight and English are ready for better things and we'd keep Bayless as a veteran point man for a smaller salary... Stuckey can tell his story walking!

IMO it's a win-win scenario for all involved: We spend less than $4 mil in cap space on Bayless... Joe can have a nice deep and meaningful with him about life, basketball and taking that chip on his shoulder and using it to his advantage.... Memphis gets a 2nd round pick and pays less luxury tax.

After the season we either have a guy worth keeping or a guy we should let walk. No harm, no foul!

But again, I'm not pimping Bayless... he's just a name that fill one of the question marks in my plan:

C: Drummond/Monroe/Slava
F: Monroe/????/Jerebko
F: Prince/Singler/Jerebko/Middleton
G: ????/Stuckey/English
G: Knight/Stuckey/????

We have our 2013 first rounder and our cap space to find answers for those question marks. I've been trying for a while now to put names into those spots. Calderon and Bayless are the 2 "names" I've stuck with at PG....

No free agent SG gets me excited about spending more than $7 mil. Guys like Redick or Dorell Wright are nice and all but not worth much more than the MLE, if they're worth more than the MLE at all... which is why I'm looking at the 2013 Draft and hoping for a quality guard/swingman

A big man is desperately needed and I'd prefer we not use our 2013 pick here.... I'd prefer a veteran big like Millsap or David West. Someone we can count on to get the job done for the next 3 years.

Bayliss is a poor mans stuckey. We don't need or want him. I don't even want the original version.

A joe free agent is one that's on the rise. Billups had a great year leading up to FA. bayliss is just counting time until his contract expires.

Again, I'm not pimping Bayless - just saying that he seems like a Dumars kind of guy based on the fact he's 25 and has bounced around a lot. He's shown some potential at times but for whatever reason he's never really found a role/home where he could "blossom".

As for the Draft:

Are we likely to get a top 5 pick? I was thinking we'd be picking in that 6-10 range as usual :)

I'm expecting a late season surge once Drummond and Monroe are starting together... huge win streak in March or April as teams "lose the right way"

I'd take a chance on a supreme athlete for our perimeter in the 6-10 range, especially as people claim the talent in the Draft is pretty even.

With Drummond, Knight and Monroe here I think we can afford to take a bit of a risk on a player that might be awesome in 2 or 3 years.

Since you keep tabs on the college kids Kstat what is the best and worst case scenarios for McLemore?
As i said, the best case is Wade, the worst is harold miner. And he's much closer to miner at this point.

Bayless isn't crapping out of the league at all. his defense is working well in Memphis, and he's showing that he can fit in nicely with the right team. despite playing off the ball more than ever he's also dished more assists per minute. what is preventing you from seeing that stuff? his game is nearly identical to Brandon Knight's, except he's passing much more.
he's also 24.

That's my thinking with Bayless - dude is 25 next August and has boucned around a lot. He'd cost very little in the grand scheme of things.

Maybe he's fucking worthless, maybe he's not.... but at the end of the day 25 year old dudes that can get 11 assists in 17 minutes aren't guys to discount simply because they don't seem like the "popular" choice.

The popular choice would be trading for Rudy Gay or acquiring Monta Ellis somehow - those option scream "desperate" to me. Bayless is low key, win-win, possibly good, possibly expiring...

whatever, I'm drunk and correcting spelling mistakes are driveing me nuts... gonna find the drunk thread

Non-issue. He'll be playing in turkey or Spain next year, unless he does something meaningful soon.

Can't shoot and his defense sucks. Next.

his defense sucks. Next.

LOL.
you clearly know nothing about him. you should talk to a memphis fan, or watch them play, or something. he's one of the best in the league at limiting penetration.

Are you Goebbels? Just keep repeating the lie and eventually people believe it I guess. You got your work cut out for you though, because Bayless doesn't even have a bad rep on D, so you're going to have to do a lot of talking.

Don't have to do much talking. Nobody cares about jerryd bayliss. Wake me up when he has a job next year.

Is Bayless on our next contending team in 2018?

Right, so let's not waste our breath talking about or, even more, signing him.

Is Bayless on our next contending team in 2018?

Right, so let's not waste our breath talking about or, even more, signing him.

you don't think he could be in the Mike james role?

I don't want to sign any stop gap guys until we're ready to take that last big jump. Need to swing for the fences and hope to hit it big on 2 or 3 of them.

I'd trade everyone but Knight, Monroe, Drummond, English & Middleton for draft assets and/or expiring deals.

I don't want to sign any stop gap guys until we're ready to take that last big jump. Need to swing for the fences and hope to hit it big on 2 or 3 of them.

I'd trade everyone but Knight, Monroe, Drummond, English & Middleton for draft assets and/or expiring deals.

tayshaun might get something.
fuck knight and monroe though.

I don't want to pimp Bayless anymore but the fact he's viewed as a "waste" just makes my point even more clear.

He's a loy key option that we could acquire for very little and worst case scenario is we let him walk after 2013-14! At best we own the Bird Rights to a 25 year old veteran that has been around the league 5+ years and can do the job behind Knight

But whatever... I've thrown out Millsap, Redick, Dorell Wright and no Bayless as "options".

The options I'm reading from everyone else is Rudy Gay, Monta Ellis and Josh Smith...

Are my expectations too low?

He's a waste because he's everything this team does not want or need. A scoring point guard that cannot shoot or run an offense. He's a terrible fit for this team.

I was on board with giving him a try last year but when we re-signed Stuckey that was that. We don't need a poor man's stuckey.

Also, who gives a shit that he's 25? Do you really think we need more youth on this team?

The Knicks were a #7 seed last season, playing at a .545 clip. Over the summer, they added a 38-year old center, a 39-year old point guard, and backed him up with a 35-year old ROOKIE point guard.

And for good measure, they added another 38-year old center after the season started.

They currently have the best record in the east, and the oldest team in the NBA. They're playing at a .731 clip.

To be fair, they also added two other starters at 27 and 28 years old, with a combined 13 years of experience.

Youth is nice to have, but we don't need an entire roster full of 20-somethings. We're not winning games that way. If there's a free agent that can come in and help us win immediately, I don't care how old he is.

I'd point to 1995 when we essentially traded one of our two first round picks for 33-year old Otis Thorpe. Probably the best trade we made the entire decade of the 90's, and I don't care that we only got 2 good years out of him. He did more in those 2 years than most draft picks do in the entirety of their rookie deals.

Our needs (at least to me) are pretty clear-cut:

-We need one more bruiser up front to be an enforcer until Andre is ready to do the enforcing himself. Kravitsov might be that guy, he might not. If he isn't, go out and get another physical 260-lb guy that can grab a rebound and understands how to win. The NBA is overflowing with these guys. David West, Paul Millsapp, Elton Brand, Lou Amundson, DuJuan Blair, Zaza Pachulia, Carl Landry. The list goes on for a while.

Draft prospects include Cody Zeller, Nerlens Noel, Patric Young and Jeff Withey.

-We need a point guard that can run a fucking team. Could be a starter or a backup, but we do not need a starting point guard that needs to shoot being backed up by another point guard that needs to shoot. I'd kill for an Andre Miller. A Jose Calderon. Ramon Sessions. Brian Roberts. Darius Morris. Someone with honest to goodness pure PG skills to come off the bench and run the show when we need it. Some of those guys are very young, and some are pretty old. I don't care.

Draft prospects include Trey Burke and Dennis Schroeder (The German Tim Hardaway: keep an eye on him)

-We need a wing that can create offense. We don't need grant hill, but we do need someone that can break down a defense from the 2/3 spots. I like Tayshaun. I like Singler. I do not like them TOGETHER. Too much standing around the perimeter, not enough movement on or off the ball. We need someone that can do some damage. Rudy Gay might have been that guy, but he's not going anywhere now. Josh Smith would be a huge coup, and the best use of our cap space. Andre Igoudala would be a distant 2nd. On the cheaper end, Kevin Martin, JJ Redick, Randy Foye, Wes Johnson, Marco Belinelli, Chase Budinger or Corey Brewer would all be good pickups.

Draft prospects include: Shabazz Muhammed, Michael Carter-Williams, Ben McLemore and Marcus Smart.

If we fix all three of those issues, we are in the playoffs next year, barring something unforeseen. This team has enough raw talent to win. They need the right mix of support players.

Have the Pistons been playing? It seems like weeks since I've seen them play.

We don't need a poor man's stuckey.
You know I was thinking about it, and you're right.
The guy who shoots better than stuckey, d's up better than stuckey, and has been given much less opportunity than stuckey is definitely the poor man's stuckey. I know I thought you sounded like a stubborn retard before, but you've said it enough to make it true! Good job!!


Also, who gives a shit that he's 25? Do you really think we need more youth on this team?
the team needs talent. an ok young guy is a whole lot more likely to become a good guy in 4 years than an old guy. of course, you already know this and there's really no need for me to explain it. you're just being a hard headed asshole. enjoy that.


The Knicks were a #7 seed last season, playing at a .545 clip. Over the summer, they added a 38-year old center, a 39-year old point guard, and backed him up with a 35-year old ROOKIE point guard.

yeah. that team is gonna look great in 3 years with Kidd running the point too.


Youth is nice to have, but we don't need an entire roster full of 20-somethings. We're not winning games that way. If there's a free agent that can come in and help us win immediately, I don't care how old he is.
yeah let's ignore the future and sign dudes based on how they'll perform that year. fuck it. It's not like dudes sign multiple year deals.
Better yet, let's sign everyone to one year deals. Every year it's a different line up around the couple of young guys detroit wants to develop. fuck chemistry.

I'm sure Knicks fans really give a shit that Kidd won't be in the nba in 3 years...Theyre championship contenders now and probably next year, but in 2 years they'll have to go searching for repacements to half their roster. They must be just distright. Kind of like that aging mavs team two years ago that won the title and promptly retired, left in FA or fell off a cliff due to age. I'm sure mark Cuban loses sleep at night wishing he had loaded that team up with college kids instead....

I care what wins games now, not what might possibly win games 4 years down the road. We have more than enough developmental guys.

And yes, the guy who might be out of the nba next year is a poor man's stuckey. you can debate that all you want, but you don't understand that much about basketball.

Of course, being that you want to create an entire roster with nobody over 25, I really didn't need that to clue me in on the fact you have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh, and ask the spurs how they keep shuffling deck chairs around Parker, Duncan and Ginobili and still win 50-60 games a year. How does their precious chemistry endure with all the turnover?

i want to create a roster of no one over 30?
aren't you the same asshole who said the oft injured chauncey billups shouldn't be on squad next year and tried to fucking argue with me about that on account of him being old?

yeah.
eat a dick fucker.

Umm, moving along...

I think Bayless is the kind of guy Joe would be looking at. His age is only a factor because he'll be 25 but has years and years of NBA experience.

I'm of the opinion that we should be looking for players aged 25-30 that have plenty of experience and can do their jobs extremely well, without having the ego problems that come with being a "star"

For better of worse it seems Drummond, Monroe and Knight are the core... along with Singler, probably Stuckey, probably Slava, probably Jerebko, maybe Prince...

Vet PG is certainly a need... but how much money do you want to spend on a guy that isn't going to play 20 minutes every night? And what kind of drama might develop if you pay reasonable money to a vet PG and he comes in THEN gets pissed because he's not playing a lot of minutes?

Assuming we get a wing in the Draft we'll be starting Drummond, Monroe, Prince, Rookie/Singler, Knight. Which means Stuckey will be the first guard off the bench (unless he gets dumped). The Rookie or Singler would be the playing minutes on the wing... so where does the vet get plenty of minutes?

IMO Bayless is one of those guys we could get that could play a minor role and do it well... and he wouldn't cost a lot to get... leaving us with big money to spend on the more important areas (back up big men or quality wing)

I'd rather not spend all our cap space getting 1 quality big, 1 quality wing and a quality vet PG... we need to take the cheap option somewhere and PG is it IMO...

Bayliss is more of the same. Sick and tired of combo guards. Get a goddamn point guard.

Like who dude?

Assuming we have Prince, Singler, Jerebko, Rookie, English, Middleton, Knight and Stuckey taking the minutes at SF, SG and PG next season which cheap options could we get at PG that would play a minor role without causing drama?

Bayliss is more of the same. Sick and tired of combo guards. Get a goddamn point guard.

Earl Watson FTW.

Like who dude?

Assuming we have Prince, Singler, Jerebko, Rookie, English, Middleton, Knight and Stuckey taking the minutes at SF, SG and PG next season which cheap options could we get at PG that would play a minor role without causing drama?

Anyone that signs to play here next year is going to know the deal at the very least, Lawrence frank is respected for being honest and transparent with everyone on how minutes are going to be dished out.

I listed some options a page ago, but Brian Roberts, and Darius Morris both fit the pure pg bill, and they're all both young and cheap.

I'd even look into Minnesota and see if barea or ridnour is available. They have. A surplus of PGs.

Roberts? Morris?

Who are these guys?

Better and cheaper fits than Jerryd bayliss.

Better how?

How much experience do they have?

What have they done in the NBA to prove that they are capable?

Scola just hit a three. Wtf?

What up Fool, you watching?

"Give that guy a ticket, because he's breaking the speed limit"

Love Greg's old guy sense of humor

This halftime show is hilarious, just a DJ playing top 40 rap with a closeup on the most canadian-looking white girl imaginable from the dance team's boobs dancing mixed in with ads for Ciroc vodka.

^ halftime show enthusiast

Hanging around.

What up Fool, you watching?

Good looks.

They should prank Chauncey by raising Iverson's jersey instead.

Classic Jennings d there.

Interviewing Drake on the Toronto broadcast (don't judge me Vinny!)

Had to mute it. Couldn't take it.

Kemmomgs amd Kaclspm bptj pit tjere.

Kemmomgs amd Kaclspm bptj pit tjere.

Uh, this should read "Jennings and Jackson both out there."

Biyombo channeling Dike.

Going to be 8th in the East....

Pissed Ons, indeed.

Kemmomgs amd Kaclspm bptj pit tjere.
Pkssshhh?

That was a nice defensive stand and 1-man break for Stanley there.

Sick of this.

Pistons just trolling right now.

Not good. SVG should hire a coach and go get a top notch player.

I get that SVG is on thin ice with you, but fat chance he'll step down as coach

Reggie Jackson blows

Reggie Jackson blows

We should make a poll.

Here's the skinny on SVG. Ppl think he's sweating it, but he isn't. He's living high off the hog. Ok, I could go on but don't think this is funny at the moment.

So this is going to be a complete ass stomping?

Scola shooting 43% from threes, but what's the sample size?

What do we think of Hillard?

What do we think of Hillard?

It's Hilliard, idiot.

Like him. Hope he has Middleton type ceiling.

Jennings is ass right now. Not fun to watch.

Like him. Hope he has Middleton type ceiling.

So if I made a "Does Darrun Hilliard blow?" poll, you'd be a no.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe Dre should start shooting his free throws from there?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They should start letting him shoot his FTs from 3/4 court.

BTW, how was the halftime show tonight Vinny?

It was terrible~! I was going to say so. Some high school marching band playing tripped out percussion techno kind of.

They should start letting him shoot his FTs from 3/4 court.
Yup.

All Star break can't come soon enough.

Jennings is ass right now. Not fun to watch. But he made it back on time. He worked hard but will need some more time to get to 100%. Prolly start of next year.

A win here would be really nice.

I see you Stanley, rockin' that pink.

Toronto has plenty of o's, but no d. Ha!!!

I see you Stanley, rockin' that pink.
He keeps dressing like he's going to Prom on some teeny-bopper drama show.

Cartier getting some run.

He keeps dressing like he's going to Prom on some teeny-bopper drama show.

It's a millennial thing, you guys just wouldn't get it.

Kid to Reggie: "You smell like beer."

Never doubted my Pistons.

A win here would be really nice.

Things are really nice!!!

Ok, so I'm really getting onboard with the Pistons again, which means they are about to start losing again. One thing for sure, they are fun to watch.