Come up with the most realistic trade package that you can with these outgoing players:

Stuckey
Daye
Charlie V

You can include a maximum of two other teams besides Pistons.

Go?

Has to work on Trade Machine, just to clarify.

Austin Daye to Phoenix for the Lakers 2nd round draft pick.

All 3 players outgoing, bro, sorry if that wasn't clear.

How many other Pistons can we include?

Cause I don't think any team would take Nova on his own

Daye and Nova as a package... to Orlando for Hedo. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c85sze8

Or just give them Daye for part of one of their trade exceptions and a second round pick http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d4xsaw6

2015 second round draft pick from L.A. Lakers
The L.A. Lakers' own 2015 2nd round draft pick to Orlando (Top-40 Protected). If The L.A. Lakers' own 2015 2nd round pick is within the top-40 selections, then The L.A. Lakers' obligation to Orlando shall be extinguished. [Denver - L.A. Lakers - Orlando - Philadelphia, 8/10/2012]

I'll be back later with trades for Stuckey and Nova :)

This, folks, is why WTFDetroit is the best board on Earth. I feel bad for the people who are missing out.

Assuming the Nova + Daye for Hedo deal is accepted I only have to trade Stuckey now... yes?

Stuckey to Atlanta for Devin Harris and Brooklyn's 2017 second round pick - same exact salary so no need to post the checker ID

And assuming the Daye + Nova deal for Hedo isn't accepted:

Stuckey + Nova to Atlanta for Devin Harris, Johan Petro and Anthony Morrow http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c8dptw6

So... have I completed the task or do I need to trade Nova on his own?

Saved for later reference: we can take back as little as $6,375,000 if I'm trading Nova on his own

Orlando do the Daye/Nova deal to clear Hedo off the books... yes they take back Nova but this move saves them $3 mil... and they get a "free" look at Daye to see if the guy is worth a roster spot

Taking Daye for a TPE = "free" look at Daye to see if he's worth a roster spot.

Hawks dump Harris for Stuckey to "finish" their backcourt. This would give them Teague, Williams and Stuckey as a 3 guard rotation... or they can dump Stuckey after next season depending on how they go attracting players this off-season with the cap space they'll have.

IF they took Nova and Stuckey for Harris, Petro and Morrow they postpone their cap space for a better free agent class

Or how about this:

We trade Maggette (cap space), Daye (free look), Stuckey and Nova to Chicago for Boozer and Deng (and a TPE = to Daye's salary)

The Bulls do this to dump their amnesty candidate (Boozer) and get out from under Deng's expensive contract.

They'd have Maggette, Daye, Belinelli, Nazr, Radmanovic and Nate Robinson expiring this off-season... and Stuckey, Nova, Rip expire next off-season... wipe the slate almost clean and build around Rose, Gibson and Noah... maybe attracting another superstar to team with Rose and build a "super" team in Chi Town

We get Boozer to team with Monroe and Drummond.. and Deng to take over one wing position.

Can you provide some rationale for why Pistons would take on the non-amnestiable Turkoglu?

Dude expires after next season, when Stuckey expires and when Monroe is due his extension.

Before the Hedo trade we coulda had approx $26 mil in cap space.. after it that figure drops to approx $15 mil... plenty of cash to sign some key piece

And surely Hedo can be a reasonable outside threat in his "final" season, especially coming off the bench

Monroe/Drummond (Slava)
FA/Monroe (2013 Pick)
Prince/Hedo (Jerebko, Middleton)
Singler/English/Stuckey
Knight/Stuckey (2nd round pick)

After the 2013-14 season Hedo and Stuckey expire... taking another $20 mil off the payroll. Unless Monroe's cap hold is $10+ mil we'd have enough money to sign another quality piece AND then retain Monroe.

It delays the "finishing" touches to the foundation by a season but I believe I completed the task :)

Daye is an easy piece to move IMO.. Stuckey a little difficult... Nova damn near impossible

Can't wait to see Vinny's deals, LOL!

He won't post any - no NBA knowledge :)

to Toronto for Calderon, Amir Johnson and Linas Kliesa.

Not bad. I was trying to do one of those "our shit for your shit" deals but got frustrated when I kept searching for rationale why someone would take our shit.

This is sort of an unnecessarily complex Trade Challenge. Maybe we should have just started with trading Charlie by himself, which is hard enough without adding Daye and Stuckey into the mix.


TL;DR
I'm pretty sure Charlie is worth more to the Pistons as an amnesty contract than he is to any other team. I also think he is worth more to the Pistons as an amnesty contract than anything that any team would be willing to give up for him.

Not bad. I was trying to do one of those "our shit for your shit" deals but got frustrated when I kept searching for rationale why someone would take our shit.

This is sort of an unnecessarily complex Trade Challenge. Maybe we should have just started with trading Charlie by himself, which is hard enough without adding Daye and Stuckey into the mix.


TL;DR
I'm pretty sure Charlie is worth more to the Pistons as an amnesty contract than he is to any other team. I also think he is worth more to the Pistons as an amnesty contract than anything that any team would be willing to give up for him.

your tl;dr was completely different than your post. it was also just about as long. WTF?

Mindfuck.

So.. is the challenge over? Who won? And will there be another challenge?

I quite like my Bulls trade :)

Yes, you win.

I would ask you to post #2, but then it would look fixed when you win #2.

I'll get to it the next time I am inspired.

TL;DR
I'm pretty sure Charlie is worth more to the Pistons as an amnesty contract than he is to any other team. I also think he is worth more to the Pistons as an amnesty contract than anything that any team would be willing to give up for him.

And you did win, but no disrespect, this is the best point made in this thread.

Yes, it's the best point and you made it.

But you also made the challenge in the first place and forced us to deal Nova...

Yes, it's the best point and you made it.

But you also made the challenge in the first place and forced us to deal Nova...

Right.
If amnesty was a possibility in tradechecker somehow we woulda came out with better results most likely.

Bring on the second challenge. I thought the goal was to be realistic, but fuck it. I got this next time.

My trades were realistic dude... cause you GD would have shot them down if they were bullshit.

Don't hate cause you lost :)

lol. c'mon. you know damn well chicago would never do that deal. they might as well trade away rose too, cause after surrounding him with that garbage he'd prolly demand it anyways.

Um, you do realise that one was a bit of a joke, right?

Daye for a TPE + 2nd round pick = get an extra pick out of a guy we're gonna dump

Stuckey for Harris + 2nd round pick = get an additional $8.5 mil in cap space this off-season AND another extra pick

They might only be 2nd rounders but extra picks are extra picks.

Why would Toronto do your deal? You didn't even explain why dude!

Stop hating and start celebrating... or is this not entertaining :)

Um, you do realise that one was a bit of a joke, right?

Daye for a TPE + 2nd round pick = get an extra pick out of a guy we're gonna dump

Stuckey for Harris + 2nd round pick = get an additional $8.5 mil in cap space this off-season AND another extra pick

They might only be 2nd rounders but extra picks are extra picks.

Why would Toronto do your deal? You didn't even explain why dude!

Stop hating and start celebrating... or is this not entertaining :)

It's entertaining for sure.


Stuckey for Harris would never happen. There's no way Atlanta trades away the cap space they need to resign Smith, Teague and hunt for another high quality free agent. I'm pretty sure they're hoping for Dwight chosing to play for his hometown team with his buddy Smith. It's not like Stuckey is huge upgrade over Harris either, so there is absolutely zero incentive to make that deal for them.

my deal was stuck, daye and CV to Toronto for Calderon, Kleiza and Amir.

Toronto Takes Daye, CV and Stuck to use Stuck as a sixth man behind DeRozan and Lowry where he'd fit somewhat nicely. CV and Daye stretch the floor as Valalalalalalalalalnadsjfhakdfj develops a post game. CV providing the immediate remedy, Daye potentially serving the long term fix or being an expiring who does nothing.

They ditch Calderon because he isn't playing big minutes and he isn't good for more than spot minutes behind Lowry at the 1. They ditch Amir because he clutters the paint for Valaksjflakdjfaldkhf offensively. They ditch Kleiza because, well, he's Kleiza and who gives a shit?

The pistons use Calderon as a distributor, allowing Knight to slide over to the two and turn into a prolific scorer when matchups permit it. Amir Johnson might actually start over Maxiell immediately and give the Pistons a better defensive look. Kleiza eats krispy kreme and keeps the bench warm so the starter's butt muscles don't contract on the cold bench and form hemorrhoids when they drink their gatorade.

Calderon isn't good for more than spot minutes behind Lowry? Really? Dude plays approx 25 minutes off the bench. Now either Lowry plays 23 minutes per game or you're wrong.

And you might think Atlanta think they have a chance at Dwight. But I don't think Atlanta think the way you think

Think whatever you want though - you lost :)

Calderon isn't good for more than spot minutes behind Lowry? Really? Dude plays approx 25 minutes off the bench. Now either Lowry plays 23 minutes per game or you're wrong.

And you might think Atlanta think they have a chance at Dwight. But I don't think Atlanta think the way you think

Think whatever you want though - you lost :)

lol. suck a bag of dicks

The Atlanta/Dwight thing has been pretty commonly speculated, FWIW.

Hometown + Josh Smith friendship + cap space + need a marquee player = Dwight speculation

And in news just to hand Dwight is supposed to go to Brooklyn to team with Deron Williams!

But wait, there's some speculation Dwight is going to sign with New Orleans and team with Chris Paul!

Maybe he leaves LA, maybe he doesn't but speculation is worth as much as a hand full of shit!

And in news just to hand Dwight is supposed to go to Brooklyn to team with Deron Williams!

But wait, there's some speculation Dwight is going to sign with New Orleans and team with Chris Paul!

Maybe he leaves LA, maybe he doesn't but speculation is worth as much as a hand full of shit!

so teams don't cater towards that idea?
right... nobody was clearing house and trying to lure LeBron, and that could NEVER happen again right?

What?

Of course teams "cater towards the idea" but I seriously doubt the Hawks are thinking "Dwight Howard or bust"

They're hoping for it but if it doesn't happen they'll move on. You can't put all your eggs in one basket - a basket you don't have and one the Lakers do!

Fuckers can clean house for any "superstar"... but surely you're not fool enough to think they don't have a plan in place in the event Plan A doesn't happen? And if they don't have a plan in place or some idea of what to do if Dwight opts to stay in LA then they're dumber than I thought

What?

Of course teams "cater towards the idea" but I seriously doubt the Hawks are thinking "Dwight Howard or bust"

They're hoping for it but if it doesn't happen they'll move on. You can't put all your eggs in one basket - a basket you don't have and one the Lakers do!

Fuckers can clean house for any "superstar"... but surely you're not fool enough to think they don't have a plan in place in the event Plan A doesn't happen? And if they don't have a plan in place or some idea of what to do if Dwight opts to stay in LA then they're dumber than I thought

so plan a = howard
plan b (that actually prevents plan a from even being a possibility) = stuckey.

lol. sure dude.

Ummm are you that fucking retarded or does it just seem that way?

Did I say the Hawks Plan B was Stuckey?

You can claim the Hawks wouldn't take Stuckey for Harris because it fucks up their plan to get Dwight...

I can claim that the Hawks are not retarded and would offer Horford to the Lakers as part of a package that nets them Dwight in a sign and trade.

You can then claim that Dwight would leave money on the table and sign with the Hawks because of Josh Smith

I could then claim that Howard going to Atlanta is just as likely to happen as any trade proposed in this challenge...

and then you would say lol - suck a bag of dicks

and then I would once again point out that Calderon averages 25 minutes a game, and that means Lory plays only 23 minutes per or you were/are wrong.

FFS you're a clown.

lol, you're funny.

horford 4 dwight, lol. yeah, as if that's a possibility. maybe we should trade knight for an extended CP3 while we're at it. I'm sure atlanta is thinking that's likely.
face it, there's no real explanation for why atlanta would do that trade. in addition to fucking over their dwight dream, it doesn't fucking help them for. Harris is better than Stuckey. there's no amount of twisted illogical bullshit you can throw out that'll change that.
basically, your deal is 'hey, you know that shitty guy you guys just got because he is an expiring contract? How about you trade him for an equally shitty, if not shittier, player who isn't expiring?'

Calderon isn't good for more than spot minutes behind Lowry? Really? Dude plays approx 25 minutes off the bench. Now either Lowry plays 23 minutes per game or you're wrong.


i didn't think you'd attempt to make this an issue, but i guess you are. apparently the word 'good' isn't in your vocabulary. if someone is playing, that doesn't mean they're good. it means they're on the court, in Calderon's case he's on the court forcing lowry out of position. That isn't 'good' by my definition, but feel free to share yours.

Regarding Calderon: Is he better than you or me? Hell Yes! Is he better than CP3 and Rondo? No! But there's a huge fucking abyss in the middle and I'm not gonna go off half-cocked like some so define what you mean when you say "good" then we might have a discussion of Calderon's goodness

As for my Stuckey/Harris trade - it's just as likely to happen as Dwight Howard signing with Atlanta! It's up to you to prove otherwise

And holy shit dude! You lost! Get over it

Regarding Calderon: Is he better than you or me? Hell Yes! Is he better than CP3 and Rondo? No! But there's a huge fucking abyss in the middle and I'm not gonna go off half-cocked like some so define what you mean when you say "good" then we might have a discussion of Calderon's goodness
good means has a positive impact on his team. It's quite simple and literal as to what the actual definition of 'good' is. Look it up if you don't believe me. In this instance it's essentially synonymous with with the word suitable.


As for my Stuckey/Harris trade - it's just as likely to happen as Dwight Howard signing with Atlanta! It's up to you to prove otherwise

What? So you can just say any old kind of stupid shit and it's correct until I can find a way to show you it's wrong and have you acknowledge that? That's fucking crazy. Your father is going to get a sex change. You might disagree but it's just as likely as you being a fan of the Pistons in 2014 (because I said so). It's up to you to prove me otherwise.

Stuckey for Harris shit is just something you pulled out of your ass. I didn't pull the Howard idea out of my ass though. That's been widely rumored as the real reason behind the Hawks trading for a shitload of expiring contracts.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-pm-howard-joining-friends-on-hawks/
http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/07/17/atlanta-hawks-are-collecting-shooters-but-is-dwight-howard-impressed/
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1370926-atlanta-hawks-4-reasons-fans-should-be-optimistic-over-future-of-team/page/5
http://dimemag.com/2012/08/hawks-want-dwight-howard-avery-bradley-calls-ray-allen-a-great-tutor/

See?


And holy shit dude! You lost! Get over it
LOL. You're taking your W a little too seriously. Silly addlepated simpleton, it's not about retroactively winning the trade challenge. It's about exposing you as foolish.

Umm, how can I prove my Dad isn't gonna get a sex change?

Simple: He died on the 6th of July this year! His estate is in probate and we've been told it will be finalised in approx 5 weeks

Now all you've got to do is prove that Howard signing with Atlanta is more likely than them trading for Stuckey.

It's not that hard, dude. Go check out how much cap space they'd have with Harris, then check out how much they'd have with Stuckey, see if a sign and trade with Horford could work under the salary cap rules...

BOOM! Go hard youngblood, do some work for a change to prove your case. Any clown can type stuff and appear funny, "tough" or stupid. See how stupid that sex change bit makes you look now? Kinda hard to get a sex change when he's dead!

And of course it's rumoured Howard will sign with the Hawks! Seriously, are you retarded? He was rumoured to be staying in Orlando at one point. Then rumoured to be going to New Orleans. Then rumoured to be signing with Brooklyn. There are rumours he'll sign with Dallas! And obviously there are rumours he'll stay in LA....

What makes you Atlanta scenario more or less likely than the Brooklyn rumours? Or more or less likely than the New Orleans rumours?

Of course they acquired expiring contracts in an effort to clear enough space for Dwight. They're not the only team to make moves to get/keep Dwight in the last 3 seasons. So again - why should anyone believe the Atlanta scenario more or less likely than all the ones that came before?

It's not more likely! It's really that simple. No one here has a fucking clue where Dwight will sign, no one knows.

The same way you can't know for sure that any of the trades we propose on here will or won't happen! No one knows!

But keep going dude - I believe Mark Twain said you should never argue with a fool because onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. My replies to you make me look foolish... maybe... but I'm happy to keep going and see if you can actually prove anything.

good means has a positive impact on his team. It's quite simple and literal as to what the actual definition of 'good' is. Look it up if you don't believe me. In this instance it's essentially synonymous with with the word suitable.


Just so you know what good means:

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/good

Definition of good
adjective (better, best)


1to be desired or approved of: it’s good that he’s back to his old self a good quality of life [as exclamation]: Good! The more people the better!
pleasing and welcome: we’ve had some good news it’s good to see you again
showing approval: the play had good reviews


2having the required qualities; of a high standard: a good restaurant his marks are just not good enough
skilled at doing or dealing with a specified thing: I’m good at crosswords he was good with children
healthy, strong, or well: she’s not feeling too good
useful, advantageous, or beneficial in effect: too much sun is not good for you
appropriate to a particular purpose: this is a good month for planting seeds
(of language) with correct grammar and pronunciation: she speaks good English
strictly adhering to or fulfilling all the principles of a particular religion or cause: a good Catholic girl


3possessing or displaying moral virtue: her father was a good man
showing kindness: it was good of you to come
obedient to rules or conventions: accustom the child to being rewarded for good behaviour
used to address or refer to people in a courteous, patronizing, or ironic way: a man very like your good self, in fact the good lady of the house
commanding respect: he was concerned with establishing and maintaining his good name
belonging or relating to a high social class: he comes from a good family


4giving pleasure; enjoyable or satisfying: the streets fill up with people looking for a good time
pleasant to look at; attractive: you’re looking pretty good
(of clothes) smart and suitable for formal wear: he went upstairs to change out of his good suit


5 [attributive] thorough: now is the time to have a really good clear-up have a good look around
used to emphasize that a number is at least as great as one claims: they’re a good twenty years younger
used to emphasize a following adjective or adverb: we had a good long hug it’ll be good and dark by then
fairly large in number, amount, or size: the match attracted a good crowd there’s a good chance that we may be able to help


6 (usually good for) valid: the ticket is good for travel from May to September
likely to provide: she’s always good for a laugh
sufficient to pay for: his money was good for a bottle of whisky


7used in conjunction with the name of God or a related expression as an exclamation of extreme surprise or anger: good heavens!
noun


1 [mass noun] that which is morally right; righteousness: a mysterious balance of good and evil


2 [mass noun] benefit or advantage to someone or something: he is too clever for his own good


3 (goods) merchandise or possessions: imports of luxury goods stolen goods
British things to be transported, as distinct from passengers: a means of transporting passengers as well as goods [as modifier]: a goods train
(the goods) informal the genuine article.
adverb

informal

well: my mother could never cook this good I’m feeling pretty good, all things considered

I believe Mark Twain said you should never argue with a fool because onlookers might not be able to tell the difference.

That was actually ICP.

ICP, Mark Twain = same same :)