We're at 0-5 and maybe looking at 0-10 or maybe worse. (Seriously, where does the first win come from)

How long do you guys expect Gores to stomach this? He's going to be looking at 2,000 people at The Palace.

I don't expect that Joe will be fired, but I do expect him to 'resign/retire' and state that he's satisfied that he's 'leaving the franchise in a great position moving forward'.

We're already talking about the lottery, but honestly, the real clock that Joe is on is almost out of time.

Be impactful.

This is the silliest in a long line of silly thread ideas.

Joe is going nowhere, even in a worst case scenario, until after the season.

Assuming Joe was to step aside I'd prefer it happen ASAP

A new GM can come in well in advance of the Draft and free agency... possibly make a big trade prior to the deadline with our expirings...

The other question that needs to be asked: How many losses until Frank gets the phone call?

4-20... 0-10? Throw in that 0-16 streak at New Jersey and it looks even worse... if that's possible!

I saw the subject of this post and went straight to ESPN news looking for the "Joe Dumars fired" article.

I'm Tahoe and I approve the OP's message!

What would be the downside of letting Joe go? Start losing? Won't sign good FAs when we have cap room?

Time for some new blood peeps.

The downside is the team isn't owned by an 8 year old. If it was, then yeah firing everyone after 5 games might be a realistic possibility.

^ dafuk

Ok, whether he should be or shouldn't be (he should be), this WILL be his last season.

I saw the subject of this post and went straight to ESPN news looking for the "Joe Dumars fired" article.

I thought it was offish when I read the title, too.

If the pistons finish the way they're starting, it probably wil be. But neither joe nor frank is going anywhere before then.

I don't blame Larry Frank at all. Joe put a paper bag of burning shit on his porch, rang the doorbell and ran away.

Unless they're like 15 wins bad or so, I'd put Joe getting fired at about 30-1. He gets at least one more year.

I can't wait for the obligatory Pistons March/April winning streak ruining the top 3-5 draft position.
Gores had the chance to fire Dumars, he didnt, he did give him another 3 years when he took over, next summer is gonna be huge, Dumars very last chance.

So when does the first win come?

Orlando next Friday maybe? Could be awhile.

I hope this doesn't turn to a hate-a-thon on Joe. Not here at WTFD, but Pistons fans everywhere. He was too good of a player and 'an even better person' to go out like an idiot.

I hope he resigns for health reasons or some shit like that. Not that he has health issues but they make some shit up like that or something.

I'd like to see Joe make a big trade that rights the ship and sees us move up the standings...

we've got the expiring contracts to make a move, but lack the picks to include...

maybe at the deadline Singler, Jerebko and English have enough value to get something done?

This shitty season, so far anyway, has zero to do with Frank. But I do hope Frank starts Drummond at some point. Mainly cuz I don't have consistent viewing time to watch all of every game, or the interest. But if Dre were starting, I could tune in at the begining and watch that mofo or something.

I don't think you can give Frank a free pass.

At the end of the day he's supposed to get these guys prepared to play, gve them the game plan and ensure they execute it... so far no good.

Is the roster an All-Star team? No... but Drummond should start, English should be playing more minutes and we could argue that Singler either should start or get more minutes

Frank needs to pull his head outta his arse and start Drummond with Monroe

I won't blame Frank for that without knowing that he's not just following orders from the top about how they want Drummond used.

As bad as this team is currently playing, they've been in a small handful of games at the end this season (minus being blasted by LA). I think if we had started out with a more favorable schedule, the team would be 2-4 games south of .500 ball. I think everyone, particularly Gores, probably realizes that the deck was stacked and this kind of start was very possible. That said, I imagine there is enormous pressure to win tonight in Houston, or at worst, at Philly next week. The future schedule has Orlando (twice), Toronto (a win, if they play anywhere near as well as they did OKC last night), NYK (long shot win, but possible), Memphis, and Phoenix. If the fellas can do something with the big homestand coming up -- heck, even go .500 or close -- the season isn't a train wreck quite yet. The team could reasonably be 5-8 (I think my math is correct, but if not, you get the basic idea) around Black Friday if they drop the obvious games they should lose and fight out the winnable ones. But yes, it looks really bad at the moment.

By the way, glad to see we're still kicking the can around this place. I was MIA most of last season -- too busy for basketball most nights -- but re-upped my League Pass for this season because I'm excited about the youth in the organization.

Thanks for popping in, Atticus.

I don't think the season is write off - just don't see the point in pretending we're something we're not.

Best case scenario is that we somehow scrap into the playoffs as a low seed and earn the right to get waxed.

But if we play Drummond as much as he can handle, if we play Singler big minutes, if English is given every opportunity to play then we might lose a lot... end up in the Lottery

That pick, combined with our cap space could really help us out.

I'm all for "losing the right way"... because I believe it helps our future more

The schedule does seem weird this year? 5 out of the first 6 out West?

Don't forget that this draft is AWFUL!!! Might be the worst since 2000. Virtually everyone left last year, plus it's a weak incoming freshman class. Drummond will probably be better than any player who comes out this year. And if you get a top 5 pick, you're paying a player big money who isn't worth his draft slot.

So this is one year where tanking is a bad idea. The Pistons making the playoffs this season (won't happen, but still) would be awesome, because we'd give our pick to Charlotte in a bad draft.

joe aint getting fired. he has until next year to make the playoffs. that's what they were saying when gores bought the team and i see no reason not to believe i

My spidey sense tells me that the plan is to tank this season and get a good draft pick this year. Look at the free agents this year as well. Clear Charlie V off the books, and you got enough room to get two of them on max deals. Hell, if Dumars trades away some more of the young dudes right now to get an expiring guy to audition, like Josh Smith, he might be able to get three.

So basically, dudes job is secure for now.

Don't forget that this draft is AWFUL!!! Might be the worst since 2000. Virtually everyone left last year, plus it's a weak incoming freshman class. Drummond will probably be better than any player who comes out this year. And if you get a top 5 pick, you're paying a player big money who isn't worth his draft slot.

So this is one year where tanking is a bad idea. The Pistons making the playoffs this season (won't happen, but still) would be awesome, because we'd give our pick to Charlotte in a bad draft.
Agree the draft sucks (Zeller #1?)... however trading a high pick could net a solid young vet... we'd have to look at the restrictions of dealing consecutive picks (like pick for another team)

Agree the draft sucks (Zeller #1?)... however trading a high pick could net a solid young vet... we'd have to look at the restrictions of dealing consecutive picks (like pick for another team)

I don't think this draft sucks any more than the 2011 draft.
I'd be really surprised if Zeller stays at the top. I think Nerlens Noel and Shabazz Muhammad will be ranked higher by the time people are actually ready to draft.

Technically we wouldn't be dealing consecutive picks though...because you can't do that :)

What we'd do is use the pick then trade it on Draft Day... or deal the draftee in a sign and trade where we use some of our cap space to absorb the larger contract.

And if memory serves most people claim the Draft will suck most of the time... and most of the time they change their tune after March

He should be
Fired.

He should be
Fired.

what?
is this an opinion or a breaking news story that I don't know about yet?

Don't fucking do that GD.

I wasn't fooled the first time when you d the thread - thought it was done for effect and "just in case shit happens"

But when you put "Fired" in there I did take a quick look around online... and found no story

I think the majority of us expect it at some point before free agency. Whomever comes in would have $25 mil or more in cap space to burn, a bunch of young guys (plus Prince and Stuckey). The only thing we don't have is future draft choices...

Sorry, somehow I got some white text in there.

DAMN!

My bad

It's been so long I've stopped looking for it...

I think I've used it once since I've been back and I had to fucking edit my post because I didn't get it right the first time! I used to be able to type in white text without thinking but now I've got to check!

A pretty rare look at the tightly-held financial side of the team.

Lots to consider and discuss.

https://home.crainsdetroit.com/clickshare/authenticateUserSubscription.do?CSProduct=crainsde troit-metered&CSAuthReq=1:373470354627495:AID%7CID:850C56F686A88 C52C96B7D74BB8AE045&AID=20121202/NEWS/312029971&title=Ignore%20score%3A%20Pistons%20see%20bottom%2 0line%20getting%20better%20&ID=&CSTargetURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.crainsdetroit.com%2Fa pps%2Fpbcs.dll%2Flogin%3FAssignSessionID%3D3734703 54627495%26AID%3D20121202%2FNEWS%2F312029971

I'm busy all day and come here to read all of the intelligent and interesting comments in this thread.

And NOTHING.

That was a fucken awesome link and you all suck.

Good day, sirs!

You're expecting intelligent and interesting comments on a board that has me as a member. SMH.

Also, "fucken." LOL!!!

What do you want to do discuss from that article GD?

I read it (talking about group sales, suite sales and the like)

What shall we discuss? That they're doing fairly well financially all things considered? How the opening losing streak effected sales? I read it, thought "ok, well, that's good to know" and then moved on!

So have at it GD - what grinds your gears big fella?

I'm actually relieved to hear they're doing well financially. I never want us to be in a position where every year the owner has wandering eyes.

In addition, it's almost a mortal lock the pistons will be playing downtown in 5-7 years, assuming illitch's downtown dream revitalization project gets realized.

So in the worst of times they still make profits... makes ya wonder why Mr. I backed out... pretty sure Tom Wilson fucked things up by sharing inside info

Bump

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/04/pistons-to-part-ways-with-joe-dumars.html

it appears the Pistons could be headed for a shakeup, with the Daily News scribe echoing earlier reports that the Pistons are likely to let go of coach Lawrence Frank.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxOQpwg_cC83607yhDnR2nRR6HfeDsg YUb2lm2R1BTYesTJvdquA

Play. The Right. Way.

So good.

In addition, it's almost a mortal lock the pistons will be playing downtown in 5-7 years, assuming illitch's downtown dream revitalization project gets realized.

I really doubt that. It would be a horrible business move. Oakland County's population is 1.2 million. Wayne County's population is 1.7, and 21 percent are below the poverty level. Oakland County's population is rising and Wayne county is drastically declining. downtown Detroit is surrounded by the most desolate all around as well. What would be the incentive?

So Frank supposedly says not to bring him back unless they pick up his fourth year option??? Does that mean you'll give up your 3rd year salary to not come back?? You signed a fucking contract shitball.

What a mess.

So Frank supposedly says not to bring him back unless they pick up his fourth year option??? Does that mean you'll give up your 3rd year salary to not come back?? You signed a fucking contract shitball.

It's posturing... nothing more or less.

It's posturing... nothing more or less.
Agreed but I still can't stand that shit. If you wanted to not be in that situation, sign a different fucking contract.

And THAT is what you get for posturing!

Hit the bricks jabroni, get to steppin', don't let the door hit your arse on the way out

Fucking loser Lawrence...

lil bump

The worst thing is that its only November and we are pretty much thinking about next season. Dumars needs to go.

http://www.thehardwoodnation.com/2011_06_01_archive.html

http://www.thehardwoodnation.com/2011_06_01_archive.html
Amateur.

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HUGE!!!!

iPhail

Rock bottom.

Would they try to hire back that cat that went to the Bucks?

Can't get any worse

Would they try to hire back that cat that went to the Bucks?
You seen the standings?

Also, he just got an extension before the season, but he should have been fired.

No, just the Pistons record. And then there was that Knight Jennings trade he approved. Then again, not sure BJ or Knight are good enuf to take a team to the title.

Rock bottom.

http://www.wwezone.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/rock-bottom.jpg

Was expecting the KISS video

Would a loss to the Bucks seal the deal?

Thought about that.

The firing of a GM mid-season is for the most part the biggest ass covering any front office can make. It shows such an utter lack of a real plan it's not even funny. Ironic how you never see great organizations with a history of success pull this bullshit move. But of course they don't have to because they're great organizations with a history of success in the first place. But you know what I mean dammit!

The only exception to this would be the Millen firing because, dear God, whenever he left would have been too late already. Plus you have to give points for when Mayhew then fleeced the Cowboys, one of his best moves even now.

They'll let joe down easy. They won't fire him. But they could take away all of his powers inside the organization. I would not let him make another move. I wouldn't let him spend CV's cap money. They'll give him some bullshit title or he'll be hired by the the new Comish to do some bullshit.

I'm going to channel my inner Tahoe and derail this thread, 'cause I can do that as long as it's not my thread, with my unique mono-thematic posting. Since Statsford/Fatsford and Howard sucks even though I don't actually watch the games have already been taken, I'll go for Tom Gores.

I just read this today and thought it was interesting. Personally I don't think the article itself offers any great insight other than Joe must go and Gores won't ever be a good owner. But it fits with the dead horse I beat so I'm going to post it. Later I'll start ripping on his lack of being at the games and his retro 80's wardrobe (I'm avoiding calling it his Miami Vice wardrobe because, come on, how cliche can you be in one post).

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go lift weights and then drink a girly vodka-juice concoction.

http://deadlinedetroit.com/articles/8038/yashinsky_pistons_owner_tom_gores_the_invisible_ma n#.UuAw-NUo7C0

I don't derail threads bitch dawg, I start new threads to make sure I don't.

Soon, please?

Charlie Villanueva ‏@CV31
It's inevitable, change is needed

:SHIT STORM!:

Is he getting a sex change?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go lift weights and then drink a girly vodka-juice concoction.


http://media.tumblr.com/7009b2908564a538bc57c79cae68eb81/tumblr_inline_mwumm6Y8NW1qz8bu0.gif

lol. Son, whenever you wanna have a drink, you let me know. Just know you'll end up like everyone else who thinks they can drink. Under the table, throwin up and cryin like a baby.

I turned on ESPN and was like YES, NBA TRADE DEADLINE talk. Maybe we'll do something. Then I thought about who's captain of our ship. And my hype died.

Fuck this team.

Can we please retire Joe already? And he can take lil Mo with him

Nobody in the local media is calling for Joe's firing. Everyone just stays quiet.

And that is how the internet spawns and gives popularity to a cunt like Moss.

Arguably the best sports town in the US with the worst sports press in the nation.

Has it really been 10 years?

I don't know why Kurt Rambis keeps jumping out at me as a GM. LOL. Is that laughable cuz he even failed as a coach, didn't he? The positions are 2 different animals, but still wonder if Gores would want to try to bring some bling to the Pistons.

The deflection of Joe Dumars' impact on the team, featuring Tommy "Headtilt" Gores and Drew Sharpless:

http://www.freep.com/article/20140129/COL08/301290044/Drew-Sharp-Detroit-Pistons-ill-matched-roster-has-owner-Tom-Gores-imprint

Phil Jackson and Izzo.

Simmons obliterates Dumars: http://grantland.com/features/bill-simmons-breaks-down-the-2014-worst-nba-contracts/


The Sports Guy is no Joe Dumars, but he knows a thing or two about awful deals


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZHvd0ks7Es

Does anyone think Joe Dumars gets fired before the 25th anniversary of the Bad Boys?

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140218/SPORTS0102/302180098/-Bad-Boys-reuniting-next-month-celebrate-25th-anniversary-title-benefit-charity

(And as an aside, the Bad Boys ended with Dantley being traded. I will never see Aguirre as a Bad Boy.)

Simmons obliterates Dumars: http://grantland.com/features/bill-simmons-breaks-down-the-2014-worst-nba-contracts/

That was a good read.

The sad thing is that Dumars will be hired by another team to be a GM.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24469323/report-joe-dumars-expects-to-be-fired

Just do it already.

Just do it already.

dis

No, line up someone good to take over Dumars' job. Make sure they pass the Isiah test (which is not simply "don't hire Isiah" but making sure they can keep their mouths shut -- the test Isiah failed with Davidson).

And the Joe Dumars joke continues...
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-bag-the-phil-jackson-to-the-knicks-theory/

That was when Joe Dumars didn't weight 350 lbs

No, line up someone good to take over Dumars' job. Make sure they pass the Isiah test (which is not simply "don't hire Isiah" but making sure they can keep their mouths shut -- the test Isiah failed with Davidson).

is there a story here i can't remember, or don't know for some reason? i dunno what youre talkin bout

Bill Davidson promised Isiah a front office job after retirement, behind closed doors. That leaked out. Davidson was pissed and shut Isiah out.
There were lots of stories about this over the years -- for example:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Ui6eZxi6DOwC&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq=%22piston+for+life%22+davidson&source=bl&ots=d_xJmSZ9jV&sig=Mg_4fwfuAgZ6qIQMfrhdnT5I0G0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=s-QmU62pNsL4yQHv1oGQCQ&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22piston%20for%20life%22%20davidson&f=false

IZZO

http://m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyId=10671810

https://twitter.com/dmorey/status/448539161138442240

I blame myself.

Tom Izzo says latest NBA rumor is 'made up,' embarrassing to him and the Detroit Pistons http://bit.ly/1jIVSNb #Spartans

Embarrassing for him to be linked to the Detroit Pistons

Are you a U-Michigan fan??

http://www.freep.com/article/20140327/SPORTS03/140327001/1051/sports03


“I think it’s some guy sitting behind a computer that is one of my favorite human beings on the planet, which are those social media geeks which are sitting at a computer and just making up stories, and everybody says, ‘Well, you know their owner and he’s a Michigan State guy. ...’

“I’ve never met Tom Gores, I’ve never talked to Tom Gores. I think somebody, maybe it’s Michigan fans are putting that out.”

Best drafting GM according to the NBA

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/232776/Study-Finds-Isiah-Thomas-As-Best-Drafting-GM-Since-1989?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

How is nothing posted yet?

I bet the good posters would have posted before Cool Guy Glan did something about them.

Here here! It feels like Christmas today!

Bye, Joe.

Good for you for collecting a few hundred extra paychecks that you shouldn't have.

Still my fave Bad Boy.

So I guess Dumars isn't gone. He's an adviser now.

So basically Gores agreed to keep paying him while he looks for a new job (Cavs).

Joe gets a fancy title from the end of the season until his contract expires...regardless of who Gores brings in.

Well played Mr Gores

He now has the kind of front office job that a HOF player in good standing would have with the organization they're most identified with.

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20140414/NEWS/140419936/dumars-out-as-pistons-president-will-continue-as-adviser-to-team#

DETROIT—Following several years of lackluster performance and unmet expectations under his own roof, Detroit Pistons president of basketball operations Joe Dumars announced this week that he will be stepping down in order to spend more time rebuilding his family from the ground up. “While I have a lot of good memories with these people, I think the time has come for me to leave basketball so that I can focus on taking my family to the next level,” Dumars told reporters at a press conference, noting that the time had come to “shake up” his household, beginning with retooling his children’s roles and making an upgrade in the wife position. “Obviously, there are a lot of very talented units out there who are increasingly shedding their older members in favor of younger talent, which means that we need to get some new blood in here if we want to stay competitive. But once that happens, there’s no telling what these guys can do.” Though Dumars said that he holds fond memories of his time in the Motor City, the 50-year-old was not ruling out giving his newly revamped kin a fresh start in Seattle, a city he claimed was about due for a winning family.

Just saw Calderon hit a nice 3 and was thinking that JoeD brought in talent, most of the time, but didn't know shit about putting pieces together. Or is that what everyone already sez about him? That tall guy in Toronto that was drafted out of HS, iirc. Aaron Aflaflo, etc. There was the occasional Darko. Only makes you wonder what could've happened there.


But fuck JoeD's GM run. Glad its done. But he's still a Bad Boy. Glad he's done with his GM responsibilities so I can get back to liking him again.

http://detroitsportsrag.net/joe-dumars-is-a-fraud/

Just gonna gently place this here.

Silly to say Dumars' reputation was built on Woj columns.

BTW, fine with Woj paying for access to break news. He should keep it up. Just not write op/eds.