That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Knee jerk reaction to another Stafford injury? Might be but sometimes they are right. I remember peeps saying I wasn't a fan of the Lions when I said Marty M should be fired and Millen should be fired. I was a right motha fucka then and I am again now.

Stafford ain't gonna get it done!

Hope I'm wrong though.

We've gotta find a guy that can throw for 5,000 yards and 40+ TDs.

Drew Stanton.

We've gotta find a guy that can throw for 5,000 yards and 40+ TDs.

Fuck Stats...I mean FUCK STATS! Give me a Super Bowl win!

I'll prolly get owned on this, but I doubt it....But did Troy Aikman throw for ridiculous stats? I don't think so, but might be corrected.

It'd be interesting to see how many top stat QB's win the super bowl. Again, I'll prolly be owned on that but Dan Marino had good stats and didn't win. I want a QB that wins the motha fucka (< Race baiting TBeau)

We've gotta find a guy that can throw for 5,000 yards and 40+ TDs.

Also, you's nuttin but a company line motha fucka!

Troy Aikman did fuck a ridiculous amount of dudes, though.


nothin' wrong with that.

^ gay-baiting?

Dude, this is probably the most preposterous thing out of you in a while.

Dude, this is probably the most preposterous thing out of you in a while.

Agree...Aikman did NOT fuck a ridiculous amount of dudes.

How can you be sure?

Poor Cowboy.

I know the 'company line' peeps think Stafford is AWESOME and GREAT and all that shit, but they thought the same thing about Millen.

I mean, did you not watch any of the games? He makes throws that only about five guys ever have had in them.

I mean, did you not watch any of the games? He makes throws that only about five guys ever have had in them.

lol

Who thought about Millen as awesome and great? Fucking baloney.

Swat this shit out of my forum.

diddy is the only one on here who has defended Millen IIRC, and even then I think he might have just been arguing for the sake of it.

Millen made the Lions relevant. Greatest thing ever.

I don't remember peeps here defending Millen cuz I don't think I posted here back then. But there prolly was one or two of you tools loving him.

And you can swat this if you want. I feel at home in the Stands. :) Won't stop me from posting in it.

Flame-baiting, huh? You feel like a big man?


lol!!

Honestly have serious questions about him.

As you should, but for taking a guy out of a preseason game you can't really hate.

One more serious injury and we start thinking about it. This thread was a knee jerk reaction to a minor "injury"

^ DON'T FUCKIN TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD THINK OR NOT THINK!

aight

Staff got it done today.

JWB!

Ah....

Matty Ice or Matty Fail...we shall see.

Does anyone remember who here used to say Petts hands were suspect? Oh that was me, nvm. There is this article about Pett with dropsies and stuff, but I won't post it.

You won't post it because it doesn't exist and you're full of fucking shit. When all is said and done, Pettigrew's name will be mentioned with the likes of Ozzie Newsome, Mike Dicka, Kellen Winslow and Tony Gonzales. A consummate professional, one of the best I've ever seen. Fuck you, kid.



lol jk

Didn't those TE have a 'top notch QB' throwing to them?

Well, Tony G has had Matty Ice, and everybody knows Matty Ice is the the only real top notch QB to have ever played the game.

I'd start Shaun Hill, or whatever the fuck his name is, over this dipshit.

I'm a retard.

Get yo troll on, baby!
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/203/130/the_ers_give_daunte_culpepper_a_call_display_image .jpg?1313635234

This Stafford dipshit actually finds a way to scramble INTO a sack.

This dude has NO Ben Rapelesburger in him at all.

Had to delete duplicate posts from my gay ass iPhone.

Regular puter is lagging.

re: #32

I lol'd.

^ Yeah, that shit was some of D's most clever shit right there.

Y'all keep that company line goin....."sTaferd bestes corNeRbAck eber"

http://www.freep.com/article/20121009/SPORTS01/121009021/detroit-lions-pro-football-weekly?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Detroit Lions

Unnamed NFL GMs

PUSSIES!

^ It is weird. Agree with the story or not, how did this story even come about? Some dude calls up GMs asking to comment on the Lions? Doesn't even make sense.

Wouldn't; be surprised if it was made up entirely.

Stafford threw for ZERO Touchdowns yesterday! Hasn't thrown one yet today either.

He's a tard!

When will y'all stop the company line and start being objective about this douche!

Does anyone have ESPN insider? Cuz they have an article titled 'Time to trade Stafford?" And I'd like to see if its about the Lions Stafford. thx

Oh, got it. Its about trading him for fantasy leagues. thx anyway.

TTT!

I can't believe I've turned into this but we need first a coaching staff that's going to really develop him for a few year.

^ I think its instinct that gets a qb out of trouble. He doesn't have it and I don't think you can teach it.

If they would have invested in a fuckin offensive line, he could set his bid dumb, fucked up, ass in the pocket all damn day and rack up stats. But he doesn't have that luxury and he can't scramble for fuck. He sucks.

And that sidearm bullshit that everyone thinks is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fuckin cool sucks too.

I mostly agree with you on the sidearm thing. I think it can be great at times but question a lot of other times I see him doing it. But if his mechanics aren't right (and that's the general opinion) is it only his fault? Who should be teaching him those mechanics? Who should be insisting on them? His reads have not been great. Can he be taught to improve that area?

He's got a cannon of an arm. He's got the balls to make certain throws and stay in the pocket. He's not an idiot and has shown he can have games with 0 interceptions. He's shown he can lead a comeback and not get down. I don't know if he can really be an elite QB and I absolutely believe he has to be accountable for his play this year. But does he have what it takes to be an elite QB? And if so, are the Lions developing him well? Since I'm not really sure about that last question I don't think the Lions should ditch him at all.

I definitely think it's a reflection of bad coaching (and talent management) as well. There are coaches and teams who have done more with less.

I've still got faith in the bro Stafford. He is still very young with a lot of room for improvement.

Linehan needs to go however.

I mostly agree with you on the sidearm thing. I think it can be great at times but question a lot of other times I see him doing it. But if his mechanics aren't right (and that's the general opinion) is it only his fault? Who should be teaching him those mechanics? Who should be insisting on them? His reads have not been great. Can he be taught to improve that area?

He's got a cannon of an arm. He's got the balls to make certain throws and stay in the pocket. He's not an idiot and has shown he can have games with 0 interceptions. He's shown he can lead a comeback and not get down. I don't know if he can really be an elite QB and I absolutely believe he has to be accountable for his play this year. But does he have what it takes to be an elite QB? And if so, are the Lions developing him well? Since I'm not really sure about that last question I don't think the Lions should ditch him at all.

I definitely think it's a reflection of bad coaching (and talent management) as well. There are coaches and teams who have done more with less.
I agree with this. I cringed when I heard Schwartz say he had perfect mechanics, or something to that effect....

Fuck Stats...I mean FUCK STATS! Give me a Super Bowl win!

I'll prolly get owned on this, but I doubt it....But did Troy Aikman throw for ridiculous stats? I don't think so, but might be corrected.

It'd be interesting to see how many top stat QB's win the super bowl. Again, I'll prolly be owned on that but Dan Marino had good stats and didn't win. I want a QB that wins the motha fucka (< Race baiting TBeau)

Pretty sure Troy Aikman had Emitt Smith, Michael Irvin, an amazing offensive line, and a defense.
Top stat QB's winning a superbowl, I dunno, Montana , Farve, Brady, Elway, Manning, Young, Rodgers, Brees, Warner, just off the top of my head.

What stats did Montana, Farve, Brady, Elway, Manning, young, Rodgers, Brees and Warner lead in?

Brees, Favre, Young and Warner threw for a bajillion TDs in the years they won the SB.

What stats did Montana, Farve, Brady, Elway, Manning, young, Rodgers, Brees and Warner lead in?
When you say lead do you mean #1 overall
Because I can usually find each guy leading in one stat or another , for instance, Eli Manning was only 7th in Passer rating last year, but he was #1 in comebacks and game winning drives.

I'll just user passer rating because it will be quicker and I have a life (new feature).

2011- Eli Manning (7th) vs Tom Brady (3rd)
2010- Rodgers (3rd) vs Raplessbuger (5th)
2009 - Bress (1st) vs P.Manning (6th)
2008 - Warner (10th) vs WearAHelmet(5th)
2007 - Brady (1) vs Eli Manning (Outside of Top 10)
2006 - P. Manning (1) vs Rex Grossman (Outside of Top 10)
2005 - (3) Ben Roethlisberger (4) Matt Hasselbeck
2004 - (4) McNabb vs (9) Brady
2003 - (10) brady vs (Outside of Top 10) Delhomme
2002 - (2) Gannon vs (3) Johnson
2001 - (1) Warner vs (6) Brady
2000 - Collins (Outside top 10) vs Dilfer (Outside Top 10)

ATT = Number of passing attempts
COMP = Number of completions
YARDS = Passing yards
TD = Touchdown passes
INT = Interceptions
used in passer rating

In the past 12 years. Only 5 QB's have made the superbowl outside the top 10 in passer rating.
5/22 or 22%
13/22 were in the top 5 59%
17/22 were in the top 10 77%

Guys like Montana (passer rating leader) , Elway (TD's yards) , Young (completions rating) , Farve (Td's yards) all lead too.

Its important.

As for Stafford's problems. It is not anywhere near time to move on from him. He has objectively had a below average season, but so has the whole team. Calvin Johnson isn't scoring TD's. We've lost 3 other WR's and had injuries to 2 TE's, the rushing attack didn't establish itself until Leshoure came back and even then it didn't match the rest of the offense. There have also been some incredibly poor decisions in playcalling and scheme this year that have not done anything to improve Matt as a passer. (or anyone else for that matter). Only the running game has benefited from the scheme this year, and that is because the Lions are so aggressive it becomes an afterthought.

Stafford needs to increase his efficiency as a result of better decisions. This year he was often prone to trying to make big chunk plays instead of taking what was there. That is because the Lions often have found themselves in an early hole because of the defense, and by design of a terrible offensive philosophy. He has been zero'd in on Calvin Johnson far too often instead of making a progression. Again, hard to really blame him for that when option 2, 3, 4, and 5 have been in and out of the lineup.
Instead of always coming out shooting , the Lions should be reigning the QB back with some shorter patterns to get him into a rythm earlier to help mitigate the slow starts. But we have a moron OC who refuses to adapt even with the trends starring him in the face week after week.
I see nothing about Stafford that says he should not be an NFL starting QB, and no significant adjustments to improve next year. Just a more reasonable offensive philosophy, at least 2 dependable targets in the passing game, and a focus on decision making over playmaking. Stafford can easily be a top 10 NFL QB again with any of these reasonable adjustments.

Stafford sucks. Its always about his stats. Fuck stats. Aikman didn't have great stats and he won. He didn't waste downs like this pos we have for a qb. Stafford couldn't scramble his way out of a paper bag. Seriously. Dude doesn't have it.

If you are winning the super bowl, your qb is going to be leading in some category. I'm not saying they won't happen, but its secondary to winning. Stafford can't get it done when the team needs a first down or a TD. He doesn't have it. He has one of the best receivers in CJ. And I've said we need a running game and 'I was mocked'. Aks Gla, he says a running game is not necessary anymore. Its a passing league. So not following your Aikman excuse.

Every time I bring up Stafford's play its always "He threw for upteen gazzillion yards last year. He doesn't suck." Fuck Stats.

You "Stafford needs to increase his efficiency as a result of better decisions" = he's sucking at qb. He wastes downs cuz he can't scramble for shit. He scrambles into sacks. He has no instinct. Good qb's get it done with their second group. He can't.

In closing, I'd like to say, HE SUCKS!

Excuses, excuses, excuses. And the Detroit peeps eat that shit up. We just fuckin lost to the Cards who had some team put up 58 fuckin points on them. And all anyone wants to talk about is a Sheffler missed a game. And Calvin Johnson missed a practice. WAH WAH WAH.

They must put something in the water back there to keep peeps from being critical about their team.




The passing game is a close second in terms of changing personnel with Nate
Burleson, rookie Ryan Broyles and Titus Young all on IR.


Tight ends Brandon Pettigrew and Tony Scheffler have each missed a game.


Young and Calvin Johnson also sat out several practices earlier nursing
injuries.

He lead a lot of comebacks last year (leadership), has a ton of talent, and is only 24 years old. He needs AT LEAST another year.

Stafford sucks. Its always about his stats. Fuck stats. Aikman didn't have great stats and he won. He didn't waste downs like this pos we have for a qb. Stafford couldn't scramble his way out of a paper bag. Seriously. Dude doesn't have it.
Could Troy Aikman scramble? LOL.
The guy had a HOF RB, and HOF WR, the best offensive line in the NFL, and a defense. Aikman was the absolute definition of a game manager. Stop trying to make standards out of exceptions. Fuck stats?, unfortunately stats have a high correlation with making the superbowl. Also of note, the NFL plays the game different than it did in the early 90's + it has a salary cap now.



If you are winning the super bowl, your qb is going to be leading in some category. I'm not saying they won't happen, but its secondary to winning.
You need a QB with top 10 talent or a loaded roster around him. Stafford has top 10 talent, and has been a top 10 QB in the NFL. He didn't pull a Chad Pennington and have his arm fall off. He has been able to endure being wiped out this entire season and still keeps shooting. He HAS lead the team late in games but the margins have been unreasonable high. He DID lead the team last year to several comebacks. 3 of the 4 wins the Lions even have are because of Stafford leading game winning drives. If the Lions didn't have Stafford last year, they don't even make the playoffs. If they don't have him this year, they might not even have a win.



Stafford can't get it done when the team needs a first down or a TD. He doesn't have it. He has one of the best receivers in CJ. And I've said we need a running game and 'I was mocked'. Aks Gla, he says a running game is not necessary anymore. Its a passing league. So not following your Aikman excuse.
#1 Can't get first downs? He is #1 in the league in first downs.
GLA is an idiot. #2. The Lions absolutely need a RB in the mold of Best (RIP) to win in this league. Or they need to change up their scheme to fit the personnel they have and follow an offense more like Pittsburgh. Which I personally think fits Stafford better. He is a chunk passer with a cannon that would benefit from playaction more than trying to be Kurt Warner. Problem is, we have an OC who knows ONE THING and will not deviate from it.


Every time I bring up Stafford's play its always "He threw for upteen gazzillion yards last year. He doesn't suck." Fuck Stats.
Throwing for a lot of yards isn't often a good thing unless it is done at a 60+%. Stafford has not been as efficient this year. He doesn't go from a great young NFL QB to a guy we need to cut because of one bad season when he still has the same talent and displayed it.


You "Stafford needs to increase his efficiency as a result of better decisions" = he's sucking at qb. He wastes downs cuz he can't scramble for shit. He scrambles into sacks. He has no instinct. Good qb's get it done with their second group. He can't.
Good QB's get it done with their second group? No, 1st ballot HOF top 10 best of all TIME get it done with the second group, and usually only when they have decent protection. We're talking Montana, Brady, and Manning here. I don't believe Stafford is that. I'd say he is more gunslinger in the mold of a Farve. Who, by the way, had several up and down seasons too.

Scrambles into sacks? He has the 7th lowest sack % in the NFL.
Can't scramble? He is 15th in yards and 5th in rushing TD's for QB.




In closing, I'd like to say, HE SUCKS!
In closing, there is a difference between playing badly, and being a bad player.
Calvin isn't putting up TD's, does he suck too?

Staffords supporting WRs have been awful at creating space... no QB can succeed with one legit WR.
The O-line has been a little better at protection but not to be confused with a top tier line... Stafford has regressed but I see no reason to make this position a priority when there are bigger needs.

Timeout already. lol @ this team.

Calvin might break the record tonight. There's that to look forward to.

Could Troy Aikman scramble? LOL.
The guy had a HOF RB, and HOF WR, the best offensive line in the NFL, and a defense. Aikman was the absolute definition of a game manager. Stop trying to make standards out of exceptions. Fuck stats?, unfortunately stats have a high correlation with making the superbowl. Also of note, the NFL plays the game different than it did in the early 90's + it has a salary cap now.


You need a QB with top 10 talent or a loaded roster around him. Stafford has top 10 talent, and has been a top 10 QB in the NFL. He didn't pull a Chad Pennington and have his arm fall off. He has been able to endure being wiped out this entire season and still keeps shooting. He HAS lead the team late in games but the margins have been unreasonable high. He DID lead the team last year to several comebacks. 3 of the 4 wins the Lions even have are because of Stafford leading game winning drives. If the Lions didn't have Stafford last year, they don't even make the playoffs. If they don't have him this year, they might not even have a win.



#1 Can't get first downs? He is #1 in the league in first downs.
GLA is an idiot. #2. The Lions absolutely need a RB in the mold of Best (RIP) to win in this league. Or they need to change up their scheme to fit the personnel they have and follow an offense more like Pittsburgh. Which I personally think fits Stafford better. He is a chunk passer with a cannon that would benefit from playaction more than trying to be Kurt Warner. Problem is, we have an OC who knows ONE THING and will not deviate from it.


Throwing for a lot of yards isn't often a good thing unless it is done at a 60+%. Stafford has not been as efficient this year. He doesn't go from a great young NFL QB to a guy we need to cut because of one bad season when he still has the same talent and displayed it.


Good QB's get it done with their second group? No, 1st ballot HOF top 10 best of all TIME get it done with the second group, and usually only when they have decent protection. We're talking Montana, Brady, and Manning here. I don't believe Stafford is that. I'd say he is more gunslinger in the mold of a Farve. Who, by the way, had several up and down seasons too.

Scrambles into sacks? He has the 7th lowest sack % in the NFL.
Can't scramble? He is 15th in yards and 5th in rushing TD's for QB.



In closing, there is a difference between playing badly, and being a bad player.
Calvin isn't putting up TD's, does he suck too?

OMG now even Bubs has gone to stats and excuses. SMH

I'll respond when I have the stomach to do it. It took me years of educating peeps before they came around to the fact the Joey 'happy feet Harington sucked and here I go again.

My GOD this team is a joke.

Fuckin Gruden...STFU with the excuses for this team.

Wow...Stafford actually stayed in the pocket and threw off the correct foot for a change. WOW!

Fuckin Gruden...STFU with the excuses for this team.

Gruden is terrible. I'll never understand how Glan can like him. I hope the guy fucks off to Oakland or Philly in the offseason.

I'll also never understand how he can like Stephen A.

Calvin might break the record tonight. There's that to look forward to.


FUCK STATS!

Love Calvin. nh

Jerry: Fuck the record, I HAVE RINGS!

Bubbles's Falcons.

Why would that dipshit take a knee? Fucking idiot.

Lions need a top notch returner.

Logen: LOW FOOTBALL IQ.

More stat padding, T!

Gruden is such an epic dipshit.

DOWN GOES GUNTHER

STATSford actually threw the ball off the correct foot tnite, 3 times. That is great for him. He normally throws his half assed bullshit pass, maybe side arm, off the wrong foot or falling backwards. STATSford sux!

DOWN GOES GUNTHER

Hopefully next week will be it.

^ STATSford, lol

I like these Saturday night MNF games.

I seriously lmao at half his throws. I told my gf to watch and she sees it. She keeps asking why does he do that?

And some of you so-called football peeps turn a blind eye to that shitty mechanic, no good, no instinct QB.

Still lol @ Statsford, bro.

^ You like it? Its genius, isn't it?

^http://geniuslannypoffo.com/lanny/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Favorite-Genius-picture.jpg


Calvin being interviewed. It's like the Lions didn't lose or something.

^ I know. And all the Detroit papers will be talking CJ to cover for this fucked up team. And the fanz will eat that shit up. The fans will still talk about how good we are on paper. How much talent we have.

When you have a shitty QB, you aren't going to go far. When you have a QB that can't get a first down when you need one, you aren't going far. Our D line needs a kick in the ass too. They played ok in spurts tnite, but overall this was a really disappointing year. REGARDLESS OF THEIR STATS. I don't even know or care what their stats were. THEY SUCKED TOO.

This is weird. TALK ABOUT MATTY ICE DAMMIT

Mike Smith gives me pedo vibes, seriously.

Well bro, gotta run. Good luck to the Ravies manana. TTY!

OMG now even Bubs has gone to stats and excuses. SMH

I'll respond when I have the stomach to do it. It took me years of educating peeps before they came around to the fact the Joey 'happy feet Harington sucked and here I go again.

I was right with you in the Joey wars, because he was objectively a bad player. He never challenged a defense, he had no accuracy, he made bad decisions, he could never complete a pass over 10 yards, he was a polarizing figure in the lockroom, and in his 4th season he got even worse. He had no redeemable qualities. Stafford is a good player on bad team. He has leadership, he has an arm, he has displayed accuracy, he constantly attacks, he isn't afraid to get hit. He is not consistent this year, some of that is on him, and some of that is on the playcalling and team. He is also young, Rodgers wasn't even on the field yet at this age. I am not about excuses, Stafford has not played great. I give you reasons why he hasn't, some on him, and some on others. You're just wrong about this one and you're going on tilt abusing facts as well. The Lions are a totally 1 dimensional offense that makes no effort to be deceptive about it. He is going to throw probably 750 passes this year. That is not conducive to winning football games and that is not Staffords fault either. Yet, he still is out there , not dead, still shooting. Get on this bandwagon!

The interception is all him. That was fucking horrible. He just looked at the one spot the whole time and threw into quintuple coverage. That needs to never happen.

It's not just the stats themselves for me about his yards and % on the night. Gruden said it right at one point, he was firing 30 yard, pinpoint passes off the wrong foot and sidearm. We can't improve on that and make him a better if not elite QB?

STATSford has no instincts to get out of a sack. He continually scrambles a little bit only to throw the ball away. He wastes so many downs thowing the ball away cuz HE IS AFRAID TO TAKE A HIT. I can't believe Bubs doesn't see that. He's so fuckin gun shy. He's always throwing the ball falling backwards cuz he won't step into the pocket for fear of getting hit. He wont stop and set himself for a throw cuz he is afraid of taking a hit. Thats why he is always throwing off the wrong foot and throwing while running and shit like that.

He will never be developed cuz our OLines sucks donkey cock. I've been saying it for years and everyone picks some bullshit stat about Backus being in the league forfuckinever. If we had an offensive line where we could establish a run game, it would take some pressure off the passer, but good luck with that. Mayhew and Shorts both say a LT isn't important so there ya go. And an offensive line might help STATSford step into his throws. WOW, what a concept.

Stafford isn't going anywhere. WE ARE DETROIT MOTHER FUCKERS. We wil do nothing. They have most of the dumbshitz convinced that this is a good team and full of talent. So nothing will happen like the last 50 some odd years. We are losers and will continue to be.

Ford will not fire Mayhew to get an offensive line drafted. He will not fire Gym Shorts. We will continue to draft skilled players so fans wil have a hero. See CJ. Love the guy by the way. Peeps still love Stafford even with his FUCKED UP MECHANICS and being so fuckin gun shy of taking a hit. Plus he still makes sure, somehow, to fall on his right shoulder every time he hits the ground. Its the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

Mayhew needs to go if he won't change, but dipshit Lewand is such a fuckin joke he doesn't know his asshole from a bottle of beer. Above Lewand is prolly Ford Sr or some shit like that. This franchise is doomed. Mayhew won't fire Gym and on it goes. We will suck for a long time.

We have a lot of talent on the defensive line but I bet Mayhew will pick the wrong ones to keep and which to let walk. I agree that Linehan and Gunther need to go, but I don't think its enuf to turn this team around.

Other than that, we are lookin fuckin good.

This leading the league in first downs is hilarious. Where was the first downs in the Colt game when we had at least 2 fuckin drives where we could have iced that game in the 4th quarter. Hey STATSford, where were the first downs there?

Its not about how many, its getting them when you need them.

STATSford has no instincts to get out of a sack. He continually scrambles a little bit only to throw the ball away. He wastes so many downs thowing the ball away cuz HE IS AFRAID TO TAKE A HIT. I can't believe Bubs doesn't see that. He's so fuckin gun shy. He's always throwing the ball falling backwards cuz he won't step into the pocket for fear of getting hit. He wont stop and set himself for a throw cuz he is afraid of taking a hit. Thats why he is always throwing off the wrong foot and throwing while running and shit like that.

He will never be developed cuz our OLines sucks donkey cock. I've been saying it for years and everyone picks some bullshit stat about Backus being in the league forfuckinever. If we had an offensive line where we could establish a run game, it would take some pressure off the passer, but good luck with that. Mayhew and Shorts both say a LT isn't important so there ya go. And an offensive line might help STATSford step into his throws. WOW, what a concept.


The cognitive dissonance in the first two paragraphs are stunning.

You are entitled to you opinion. You've made claims that don't have basis in reality otherwise I might second guess my own analysis more. I have no reason too. Brandon Knight still can't play defense.

STATSford has no instincts to get out of a sack. He continually scrambles a little bit only to throw the ball away. He wastes so many downs thowing the ball away cuz HE IS AFRAID TO TAKE A HIT. I can't believe Bubs doesn't see that. He's so fuckin gun shy. He's always throwing the ball falling backwards cuz he won't step into the pocket for fear of getting hit. He wont stop and set himself for a throw cuz he is afraid of taking a hit. Thats why he is always throwing off the wrong foot and throwing while running and shit like that.

He will never be developed cuz our OLines sucks donkey cock. I've been saying it for years and everyone picks some bullshit stat about Backus being in the league forfuckinever. If we had an offensive line where we could establish a run game, it would take some pressure off the passer, but good luck with that. Mayhew and Shorts both say a LT isn't important so there ya go. And an offensive line might help STATSford step into his throws. WOW, what a concept.


The cognitive dissonance in the first two paragraphs are stunning.

You are entitled to you opinion. You've made claims that don't have basis in reality otherwise I might second guess my own analysis more. I have no reason too. Brandon Knight still can't play defense.

STATSford has no instincts to get out of a sack. He continually scrambles a little bit only to throw the ball away. He wastes so many downs thowing the ball away cuz HE IS AFRAID TO TAKE A HIT. I can't believe Bubs doesn't see that. He's so fuckin gun shy. He's always throwing the ball falling backwards cuz he won't step into the pocket for fear of getting hit. He wont stop and set himself for a throw cuz he is afraid of taking a hit. Thats why he is always throwing off the wrong foot and throwing while running and shit like that.

He will never be developed cuz our OLines sucks donkey cock. I've been saying it for years and everyone picks some bullshit stat about Backus being in the league forfuckinever. If we had an offensive line where we could establish a run game, it would take some pressure off the passer, but good luck with that. Mayhew and Shorts both say a LT isn't important so there ya go. And an offensive line might help STATSford step into his throws. WOW, what a concept.


The cognitive dissonance in the first two paragraphs are stunning.

You are entitled to you opinion. You've made claims that don't have basis in reality otherwise I might second guess my own analysis more. I have no reason too. Brandon Knight still can't play defense.

x3

Cognitive dissonance? Holy shit you use big words. You must be smart.

Ok cuz you use big words, you win. Stafford steps into his throws. He stays in the pocket. He's not afraid to get hit. He scrambles out of trouble all the time and never wastes downs throwing the ball away. He gets first downs when the team needs them to win the game.

Big words are awesome.

I think Tahoe's being facetious.

(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/facetious?s=t)

fuck the bears.

Cognitive dissonance? Holy shit you use big words. You must be smart.

Ok cuz you use big words, you win. Stafford steps into his throws. He stays in the pocket. He's not afraid to get hit. He scrambles out of trouble all the time and never wastes downs throwing the ball away. He gets first downs when the team needs them to win the game.

Big words are awesome.

Yes, he steps into throws when he can. yes, he stays in the pocket. Yes he is not afraid to get hit, he constantly delivers passes right before getting washed out. He does not scramble great, but he isn't the worst in the NFL either. And throwing the ball away is generally perferable to throwing an interception , so I am not sure what the complaint is there. Also, your movement of the goalposts to now be "first downs when the team needs to win the game" is nice. You mean in the 4th quarter?

I think your problem is , aside from being butthurt by my vocabulary, is you can't tell the difference between a good player on a bad team, and a bad player. Stafford is good enough to start and win in the NFL.

lol @ moving goal posts. Did you think that I didn't know he gets first downs?

STATSford sucks. He will have to be reprogramed. They will need to CTL ALT DEL everything, all his habits right now and then be taught to play the position again.

Yes, he steps into throws when he can. yes, he stays in the pocket. Yes he is not afraid to get hit, he constantly delivers passes right before getting washed out. He does not scramble great, but he isn't the worst in the NFL either. And throwing the ball away is generally perferable to throwing an interception , so I am not sure what the complaint is there. Also, your movement of the goalposts to now be "first downs when the team needs to win the game" is nice. You mean in the 4th quarter?

I think your problem is , aside from being butthurt by my vocabulary, is you can't tell the difference between a good player on a bad team, and a bad player. Stafford is good enough to start and win in the NFL.

The bolded part is hilarious, btw. He is so worried about taking a hit he rarely steps into throws.

^ And talk about moving the goal posts. See bolded part above.

@TonyDungy 18m

“@fairlysuhn: @TonyDungy one word to describe Matthew Stafford?” Talented! Now has to turn that into "Winner"

This has been settled.

Mods, please lock the thread.

Yes, mods, please close. Thanks.

^ And talk about moving the goal posts. See bolded part above.

He has not been stepping into throws in the past several games. He has in fact, played like absolute shit fuck the entire second half of the season. What was true then is not true now, but that doesn't make you right then just as it doesn't make me wrong now.
What were some questionable moments and bad throws have turned into the majority of plays and throws. He has gone from mildly inconsistent to totally inconsistent.
If he had played like this his entire career as a starter, you're constant complaints would be merited. If it continues, only then will you be justified.
If it does continue next season, then fuck that guy. He gets another year, under what is hopefully real coaches.
If not, he's fucked, we're fucked, its all fucked.

This once again highlights a fundamental difference between us. When new data comes in, the analysis changes. You see what you want, and only what you want.
Please hear this in your best Charles Barkley voice. Even a broke clock is right twice a day.

Please lose by 30 pts today. Please.

Gus Johnson is just bad ass

Come on you guys. Don't win this one. Fuck you Reggie Bush

The Vikings are playing like the Lions UGGGGHHHHHH!!!!

Of course we'll win and miss out on a premier talent we could have gotten.

It's just our culture.

Going to do a Johnny Morton worm dance in my living room right now you guys

Stats won't show it, but Akers is 1/2 today not 1/1! Need to draft a kicker in the 6th. end of story

Time for Akers to retire.

Akers only makes 50 yard field goals

Special Teams bailing us out. Wish they had Peterson to ram this one in though....

Nailbiter

Dalton is fucking terrible. Not top notch.

Ok guys. Looks like the Vikings will win this one. Good news.

LOL@ Gus Johnson "Give me the ball coach, I'm ready to play"

6-3 to 7-9 LOL@Lions

Panthers are GOOD. Watch out.

Would love to see the Seahawks lose and the 49ers win just so I can LOL@the 12th man

Hey guys, what do you say we trade for Chase Daniel?

I hope we draft a QB, but with Mayhew being the GM that picked Stats, he won't admit he made a mistake by taking one.

I hope we draft a QB, but with Mayhew being the GM that picked Stats, he won't admit he made a mistake by taking one.

Among the top 8 players selected that year, Matthew Stafford is by far the best player out of that group.

Matthew Stafford QB
Jason Smith OT
Tyson Jackson DE
Aaron Curry LB
Mark Sanchez QB
Andre Smith OT
Darrius Heyward-Bey WR
Eugene Monroe OT

pwnt

pwnt

Did you just accuse the T of being racist????

lol

No, you've got that flipped, bro

Among the top 8 players selected that year, Matthew Stafford is by far the best player out of that group.

Matthew Stafford QB
Jason Smith OT
Tyson Jackson DE
Aaron Curry LB
Mark Sanchez QB
Andre Smith OT
Darrius Heyward-Bey WR
Eugene Monroe OT


He's shit, but he's smells less like shit than the others.

But he's still shit.

MOST YARDS PASSING PER START IN NFL HISTORY

He's a bitch.