Seems to be crickets around here as our sons and daughters are murdered in Afghanistan. And Odumba sits by and does nothing. He doesn't care about our military...or he simply doesn't have any answers. And still, I bet Odumba hands out no bid contracts for Afghanistan to his cronies.

If it were up to the Repubs we'd be occupying this place for another decade... Obama inherited this war and wants out but they won't let him.

^ Mxy?

Tahoe, how did you know that I was hangin' with a bunch of vets in Vegas? I actually got to hear a lot about Afghanistan, as it turns out. Obama announced a substantial withdrawal by 2014 back in May. It's not so much the Reps that won't let him leave Afghanistan. Basically, we need to come to terms with the Taliban. There've been efforts in this direction, but there's been a couple big problems:

1) Al-Qaeda: Most of the Taliban would just as soon ditch Al-Qaeda at this point, because we've beaten the shit out of them over it. But Al-Qaeda will just start attacking the Taliban if the Taliban doesn't play ball. The way I heard it, you have "the assholes" and "the even-bigger assholes".

2) Karzai: The idea is that by now, we'd have a built-up regime to hand a mostly-deloused Afghanistan *to*. We're not getting that with Karzai. A decent chunk of recent casualties come from double-sided "friends" (including a guy I was with who was shot in the leg and arguing with the VA about 20% vs. 30% disability). Karzai's fucked up negotiations with the Taliban. Some of this is understandable because the Taliban keep on trying to assassinate him and his family, but still... it's not clear Karzai knows how to deal with his own fucking country.

Of course, there's other elements -- Iran and Russia, our money propping up their economy, tribal unity, etc. But that's not what I heard about when I happened to be with a bunch of troops for a few days in Vegas.

^ Good for you. I always like spending time with our troops.

Merc...Obama said Afghanistan is the good war. The war that should be fought. He was against Irag, but increased troop levels in Afgh.

He's also said several times that he wants the troops home... as Mxy says it's a delicate balance... he did get the troops out of Bush's war.

He's also said several times that he wants the troops home (Bush wanted them home, but not too soon) ... as Mxy says it's a delicate balance(lol, only when its a Dem is it a 'delicate balance' apparently)... he did get the troops out of Bush's war(WMD was suspected and by most every inteligence agency in the world thought he had them. Your panties would be in a twist if he didn't go in and something happened.)

Merc go back and search what Gore had to say when Bush 41 (Bush 41 refers to the first President Bush, so you know) when Bush didn't go into Iraq after the Kuwait war. You seem to have this false notion that Obama didn't want to fight in Afgh. Go read a lil bit. I thought Mxy would step in and help you out a lil bit on your post about Afgh, but apparently not. :(

From republican-candidates.org...
Romney on Afghanistan




The Objectives
"Gov. Romney indicated in an interview with ABC on July 29, 2012, that while he is supportive of President Barack Obama’s Sept 2014 troops withdrawal deadline, he disagrees with the plan to order 23,000 troops out of Afghanistan by Sept. 30. However, he admits that his position could change depending on the counsel of military commanders, while leaving open the possibility of keeping combat troops in Afghanistan beyond 2014 should conditions change.

Afghanistan's most strategic asset is that it's a mass of hillbillies in the middle of fucking nowhere relative to a lot of bigger powers.

Turning that into something useful has proven to be difficult for the Afghanis themselves, let alone the U.S.., the Russians, the Brits, etc.

The terrorists have figured out that it's a good place to hide and recruit. The drug dealers have figured out it's where to make opium and weed.

How do you turn a bunch of reactionary people who mostly can't read or write into a self-sustaining economic power?

Supposedly, they have mineral riches to be exploited, but they need stability and infrastructure to do that.

What else do they have going for them?

From republican-candidates.org...
Romney on Afghanistan




The Objectives
"Gov. Romney indicated in an interview with ABC on July 29, 2012, that while he is supportive of President Barack Obama’s Sept 2014 troops withdrawal deadline, he disagrees with the plan to order 23,000 troops out of Afghanistan by Sept. 30. However, he admits that his position could change depending on the counsel of military commanders, while leaving open the possibility of keeping combat troops in Afghanistan beyond 2014 should conditions change.

Well then you have a flat out pussy mother fucker for YOUR President if he bows down to a candidate from the other side. Reason #117 to end this fuckstick running this country on November ?? forgot the date of the election .

LMMFAO!

Think you got that one backwards. Read again maybe.

Think you got that one backwards. Read again maybe.

I said, "this is Odipshit's War" Merc said the "Repubs won't let Odumba' get out of Afgh or something. I said "{bullshit". He posted a quote from Romney supporting the war... ??????????????

Please help, you libs are so backwards, no one can really tell for sure what you are saying.

It used to be amazing to me how Mxy would correct every I that wasn't dotted by me and T that wasn't crossed by me, but he'd let flat out bullshit fly by libs on the board without correction and still he claimed to be 'somewhat independant' But not anymore.

So when peeps post shit that flat out isn't true by libs, I expected him to at least 'sway' his fellow liberal whackos back to truth. Didn't happen back then and still isn't today.

This boards Poli/Sci is seriously lol.

Let me get this right... you say it's Obamas war... yet your candidate is quoted as wanting to keep troups there longer.... alrighty then...
Moonshine tonight?

Let me get this right... you say it's Obamas war... yet your candidate is quoted as wanting to keep troups there longer.... alrighty then...
Moonshine tonight?

I might be on moonshine but you are on crack.

Until you go read a lil bit or one of the libs on the board has the balls to set you straight (nvm on the last part, that won't happen) it's not worth replying to you.

I'll help a lil bit...do you even remember Odipshit saying we shouldn't have went into Iraq but fought Afghanistan instead during the 08 campaign vs McCain? He said something along the lines of "Afghanistan was the right war to fight" And when he took office, he increased troops in Afgh, iirc Try to get some of your shit together.

Look, there are/is plenty of shit to get at Repubs for, but your 'typical lib narrative' that no Dems ever get into war or want to continue a war, isn't working on me.

Put the crack pipe down, friend.

Let me get this right... you say it's Obamas war... yet your candidate is quoted as wanting to keep troups there longer.... alrighty then...
Moonshine tonight?


I wish you libs would ever just have the nads to own something...other than things that go right. LMAO. You immature lil fucks just find someone to blame if it doesn't go right, but take credit if things go right. Y'all are incredible.

Also, I'll out debate you with a 3 day glow.

Tahoe, Afghanistan is kinda personal to me, dating back to the Soviet invasion. I had family involved with that. I see this thread topic Afghanistan and a part of me thinks about spooky shit from 30 years ago and wish everyone the best of luck who has to go to that shithole.

As far as what mercury is saying -- I thought I corrected him when I said "It's not so much the Reps that won't let him leave Afghanistan." To expand on that... sure, some like McCain want to stay forever because that's how they roll. But extending the stay in Afghanistan was not on any big Republican leader's agenda (admittedly, Romney flip-flops so damn much that it's hard to tell). Check out this relatively recent article, for example:

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-and-strategy/215789-mcconnell-supports-administrations-afghanistan-drawdown-plan

Especially with bin Laden dead and no clear way to make Afghanistan useful to us (or to the Afghani people), this is turning into a losing issue. Most Republicans would rather focus on Iran, where they see more "bang for the buck".

So yeah, I agree with you on that point.

As far as this being "Obama's war", I know where you're coming from. Some of the peacenik crowd would hear Obama say we need to get out of Iraq and ignore the part about doubling down on Afghanistan. If Obama followed the polls, he'd have been out of there after 5 minutes after bin Laden was killed. For now, it's definitely Obama's war. I don't think history won't record it as any one President's war, though. Few people think of Vietnam as Nixon's war these days, as an example. I think Obama has the same problem that everyone else has had when it comes to Afghanistan -- what do you do with a bunch of uneducated religious impoverished hillbillies in the middle of nowhere between important countries? By themselves, they're not a threat to us and not worth anything. The problem is that they're shit magnets. If Al Qaeda weren't there, it'd be Chechnyans. Whack down on opium? Let's make hashish. There's not a whole lot to build a nation around.

Just the facts... it's no more obama's war than anyone else in congress... they all own it.. the initial principle = fail

Just the facts... it's no more obama's war than anyone else in congress... they all own it..l

Just like the Iraq war.

Tahoe, Afghanistan is kinda personal to me, dating back to the Soviet invasion. I had family involved with that. I see this thread topic Afghanistan and a part of me thinks about spooky shit from 30 years ago and wish everyone the best of luck who has to go to that shithole.

As far as what mercury is saying -- I thought I corrected him when I said "It's not so much the Reps that won't let him leave Afghanistan." To expand on that... sure, some like McCain want to stay forever because that's how they roll. But extending the stay in Afghanistan was not on any big Republican leader's agenda (admittedly, Romney flip-flops so damn much that it's hard to tell). Check out this relatively recent article, for example:

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-and-strategy/215789-mcconnell-supports-administrations-afghanistan-drawdown-plan

Especially with bin Laden dead and no clear way to make Afghanistan useful to us (or to the Afghani people), this is turning into a losing issue. Most Republicans would rather focus on Iran, where they see more "bang for the buck".

So yeah, I agree with you on that point.

As far as this being "Obama's war", I know where you're coming from. Some of the peacenik crowd would hear Obama say we need to get out of Iraq and ignore the part about doubling down on Afghanistan. If Obama followed the polls, he'd have been out of there after 5 minutes after bin Laden was killed. For now, it's definitely Obama's war. I don't think history won't record it as any one President's war, though. Few people think of Vietnam as Nixon's war these days, as an example. I think Obama has the same problem that everyone else has had when it comes to Afghanistan -- what do you do with a bunch of uneducated religious impoverished hillbillies in the middle of nowhere between important countries? By themselves, they're not a threat to us and not worth anything. The problem is that they're shit magnets. If Al Qaeda weren't there, it'd be Chechnyans. Whack down on opium? Let's make hashish. There's not a whole lot to build a nation around.

Gotcha. Good post.

Our Prez is a complete failure.

Come on Odumba...this is your war. We are being murdered over there and hard working peeps taxes are being ripped off...and you do NOTHING!

Again your guys want them fighting there longer than than Obama... but why relate with the facts.
While we're at it the fat cat elephants rejected every job opportunity bill that was proposed... why?... we can't be helping the unemployed when it would mean agreeing with any effort from the Dems because that would be considered a compromise ... which they suck at.
This is more about dysfunctional government than the better candidate.... this should make people madder than hell demanding change in politics as usual... fuck these pocket padding motherfuckers claiming they represent our mother fuckin' interest!!!

Again your guys want them fighting there longer than than Obama... but why relate with the facts.
While we're at it the fat cat elephants rejected every job opportunity bill that was proposed... why?... we can't be helping the unemployed when it would mean agreeing with any effort from the Dems because that would be considered a compromise ... which they suck at.
This is more about dysfunctional government than the better candidate.... this should make people madder than hell demanding change in politics as usual... fuck these pocket padding motherfuckers claiming they represent our mother fuckin' interest!!!


Go ahead and relate them to me.

Virtually every poll has Reps favoring "staying the course" vs Obama's 2014 plan for pull out... if you want a quote from Mitt "can't stick to a policy" Romney ...

Huff Post "Mitt Romney Afghanistan Policy Details Emerge"
WASHINGTON -- Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is trying to distinguish his Afghan policy from that of President Barack Obama.
Romney tells ABC News in a Sunday interview that he supports Obama's plan to pull U.S. troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014. But he doesn't agree with Obama's plan to order 23,000 troops out by Sept. 30, a timeline some military experts warn could complicate next year's efforts to stabilize the war-torn country.
The former Massachusetts governor says his position could change depending on the counsel of military commanders. He says he's leaving open the possibility of keeping combat troops in Afghanistan beyond 2014 should conditions change."

In other words at the very least he'd like to keep the troops there as long as Obama... but maybe longer... A candidate that can't generate his own policies sounds dysfunctional.... nice baseless thread.

^ Awesome!

It's not a baseless thread, mercury. I don't agree with the "Odipshit" tone Tahoe has, but I don't think it's baseless.

We've had insiders kill more U.S. troops in Afghanistan this week than what went down in Libya. This should be bigger news than it is.

What makes Afghanistan "work" as a country if'n'when we leave?

What's baseless is the premise that Obama is solely responsible for troops still being there or that the GOP can wash their hands of responsibility (thread topic).

This was what Obama called the right war to fight. He increased troops there.

And what the fuck exactly are you saying...Obama can't do anything to stop the murders cuz polls show Repubs want to stay there? LMMFAO. There's a commander in chief for ya. No leadership from Odumba...ever.

Once Odumba took office and increased troops and supported the war there...it IS his war.