Pistons go into May 30 lottery in No. 9 position, a 1.7% shot at No. 1 pick.

:langlois:

That's how Bulls got Rose.

:langlois:

#PIstons could pick 1,2,3,9,10,,11 or 12. 81.3% they stay at 9. 5.1% shot at drawing top 3. Choice could come down to Zeller, Henson of UNC.

:langlois:

who are the top prospects for the late Lotto?

Just read an article off DX about Terrence Jones... doesn't seem to have "Piston DNA" but certainly has talent...

Team - Record - Chances out of 1000

1. Charlotte 7-59 250
2. Washington 20-46 199
3. Cleveland 21-45 138
4. New Orleans 21-45 137
5. Sacramento 22-44 76
6. New Jersey* 22-44 75
7. Golden State# 23-43 36
8. Toronto 23-43 35
9. Detroit 25-41 17
10. Minnesota (To New Orleans via LA Clippers) 26-40 11
11. Portland 28-38 8
12. Milwaukee 31-35 7
13. Phoenix 33-33 6
14. Houston 34-32 5

THIS was the one season worth tanking for a few more lotto balls, look at Cleveland - its just a 4 win difference, they had a better team than the Pistons all season, until Irving went down and they decided to tank the last 3,4 weeks, now they have 138 of out 1000 chances to get Davis, the Pistons have 17. Anyway the Cavs will add top 5 talent, the Pistons again have to hope some dumb GM will led a talent slide to 9. Its not even fun to watch the lottery anymore, knowing they will stay almost certainly stay at 9.
I hate the lotto system, it rewards losing on purpose. But this short lockout season it would have been the smart thing to do, you don't even hate to corrupt your winning mentality or sth like that, just sit the veterans and let the young guys play.

I agree with most of that Joe... 5 wins is the difference between having 199 chances in 1000... or having 17!

That's a huge fucking difference!

How many extra games could we have lost playing Monroe, Jerebko, Daye, Stuckey, Knight, Bynum, Wilkens, Maxiell, Macklin for every minute of the game?

The emtire last month should have been about next season - play Tayshaun every other game, same for BG, play Big Ben only in home games... work something out so we're not hurting our future

This bullshit about "building a winning culture" is exactly that - bullshit!

You develop a winning culture in practice/training... if you train hard and practice at full tilt then everything else will follow....

As a franchise we should have looked beyond this season and thought about giving the younger guys more experience on the floor... the more experience they get the better, right?

Or are we just going to sit back and HOPE that we can somehow conjure up a quality team? You build through the Draft, or you use expiring contracts and picks to acquire talent... everything is about the Draft...

and Joe has done nothing over the past 3 season to acquire additional picks or more young talent...

I fear we've got a long, long road ahead of us - and I might not have the time for it

we're doomed to years of mediocrity- at best- unless we can win the lottery. plain and simple.

A Moultrie surprise

What's the story on Moultrie?

I'm reading up on these prospects and he's the one with the most conflicting reports.

Anyone wanna do a "top 10 Players you want us to Draft" kind of thing?

No interest in the Draft?

Are there no players outside the top 5 that could help us?

Are "our" Pistons really that fucking pathetic that no one gives a flying fuck?

This is a dead time of the year for this board.

go lions

Really like that one kid for the Pistons, if he's available by then.

Really nice ball skills.

No interest in the Draft?

Are there no players outside the top 5 that could help us?

Are "our" Pistons really that fucking pathetic that no one gives a flying fuck?

Unless we can get a stud C at #9, nothing we do makes sense without some kind of trade.
Every time I think about "draft", I think "trade to go along with the draft" and then it falls apart.

There's interest in the draft... just waiting a few days to see where we'll be picking.. kinda hard speculating right now... the odds are with Joe nabbing the usual suspects... Henson, Leonard, PJ III, Sullinger, Moultrie etc.
Also looking forward to the pre-draft camps for the tier one prospects starting in June... so yeah this is kind of the lull before the storm.
It would be interesting to know what offers Joe will be getting for the picks... definitely could see one of the 2nd rounders being moved... the Lakers said they want to acquire a 2nd round pick.
For what it's worth ESPN is saying this is the deepest draft in over a decade... so there may be some good value in round #2

@detroitpistons

If you haven't heard, @BrandonKnight12 will be our rep at next week's Draft Lottery. #Pistons

lottery day, 1.7% chance to get Davis, i know i shouldnt be excited but i am, and i will be dissapointed if the Pistons stay at 9, if a team behind the Pistons moves up it would make it even worse.
I just really, really hope Charlotte doesnt win the topspot, this team was put together so badly, they should not be rewarded for this...ah and GoldenState should not get 7. spot, 8 - pick would go to Utah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZncDuitzOLU&feature=player_embedded#

they tanked so obviously the last couple of games, it was a complete distortion of competition in my opinion.

I want equal chances for all lottery teams, no more rewarding godawful management and terrible teams!

#1 pick seems loooooong odds.... so I'd settle for #2 :)

#1 pick seems loooooong odds.... so I'd settle for #2 :)

Joe taking a #2 during the lottery has much better odds.

That joke may not translate into Australian.

THIS IS OUR SUPERBOWL! (That's like wrestlemania pharaoh)

Did this start yet? We somehow ended up with the 14th pick, didn't we?

Fuckin commies.

Fucking Gilbert's son's back, fuck. They're getting the #1 pick.

SMH.

LOL @ CHARLOTTE!!!

Such a fix.

New Orleans can eat shit. Fucking tired of that city.

Yes the joke translated to "Australian"

It just wasn't very funny :)

I think it's awesome that the NBA Draft Lottery ends with the NBA owned Hornets winning! Nothing wrong with that at all #bullshit

Newsflash: we wil draft some reasonable fucker. Nothing outstanding. Just another cog in the machine. Likely a PF, possibly a SF

Ho-hum! FML

Thank God for the NRL...

That's the National Rugby League Vinny - where the players don't have a pad for every inch of themselves. Youtube "Brute Big Hits"

Here's a mock:
http://probasketballdraft.com/mock-draft.html

Anybody know who Ford has us taking in his 5.0?

ESPN, NBADRAFT.NET & DRAFTEXPRESS have us taking Henson... it's unanimous.

Don't watch much college ball, but I tend to watch UNC when I do and I liked what I saw of him.

My opinions aren't worth SHIT though.

You know JoeD is up studying available players and shit right now....NOT!

Chicago combine on ESPNU right now... also on espn 3

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2012&source=NBA+Draft+Combine&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=

Henson v Davis

6'9" v 6'9.25" Without Shoes

6'10.5" v 6'10.5" with shoes

216 v 222 weight

7'5" v 7'5.5" wingspan

9'3.5" v 9'0" reach

8.6 v 7.9 body fat

9.25 v 9 hand length

10 v 8.5 hand width

Interesting... or not...

I'm hearing a lot of Pistons/Moultrie scuttlebutt.

I'll keep you guys updated, on the downlow, of course.

I think I've already posted this but: I've read differing opinions on that guy

Apparently is a talent but attitude and work ethic are the issue. Hardly seems like a Dumars pick

I've never seen any of these kids play - can only go on what I read

And from what I've read Doc Rivers kid is a bit of a gunslinger. You'd have to think he's got a bit of an advantage over other kids... his Dad is a fucking NBA Head Coach - and a pretty successful one at that. Surely his kid has been exposed to a lot of stuff other kids haven't yet experienced.

Could Rivers - or another scorer - be a legit piece that can help us win some real games in 2 years? I'm used to the idea we'll be shit for another 2 seasons... so I'm looking beyond them to the future...

and right now Monroe, Jerebko, Knight and possibly Stuckey and Daye are that future. That group lacks a lot of things... a legit gunslinger is one of them. I don't think we can find a dominant big man at 9... can we find a dominant SG/SF though?

Glenn - are you hearing/reading any trade scenarios involving our picks? #9, #39 and #44 to move to #5 or something like that?

Would we get a "better" player at 5 than at 9?

I would jump for fucking joy if we could trade Stuckey and our 2 second round picks to move up and get a better guard and then still get Henson at 9.

If all we do on Draft Day is use our picks I'll be disappointed. The Draft is where Gores should make a splash. Surely teams want to get out of the first round... buy those picks, trade 2nd rounders, do something! This team needs a huge overhaul and it needs to happen sooner rather than later

I'm not quite as dialed in as I used to be. I'm starting to dabble a little bit more , tho.

Changing over this roster through trades (LOL!) or amnesty might re-ignite my interest some, but these guys just don't excite me, with a couple of exceptions.

I'm hearing a lot of Pistons/Moultrie scuttlebutt.

I'll keep you guys updated, on the downlow, of course.

We're getting Pistons draft updates from a Thunder fan? smh

IF we sent #9 to Houston for #14 and #16 and the Draft went the way DX has it right now we could walk away with Perry Jones and Arnett Moultrie

Those 2 plus Monroe and Jerebko at PF and C would at least be interesting

Daye, Prince, Stuckey, BG, Knight and Bynum cover SF, SG and PG

Depending on how those bigs played Jerebko could spend a lot of time at SF...

Come on Joe/Gores... do something on Draft Day... this team needs something beyond the standard "best player available when we picked"

what I want to see happen:

#9 to the Rockets for #14 and #16

Trade Tayshaun Prince and our 2 second rounders to Phoenix for Josh Childress and #13

Trade Ben Gordon to Orlando for Hedo Turkoglu and #19

#13 = Austin Rivers
#14 = Perry Jones
#16 = Arnett Moultrie
#19 = Fab Melo

C: Monroe
F: Jones
F: Jerebko
G: Stuckey
G: Knight
6: Rivers
7: Moultrie
8: Daye
9: Melo
*: Hedo
*: Childress
*: Bynum
* Maxiell
*: Big Ben

Amnesty Nova

Monroe, Jones, Moultrie, Melo as the PF/C players moving forward... with Jerebko, Daye and sometimes Stuckey playing SF with Rivers, Stuckey, Daye all capable of playing some SG... Knight and rarely Stuckey and/or Rivers playing PG...

We spend slightly less on Childress than we would on Prince... but get the #13 pick because Childress is useless

We spend slightly less on Hedo than we would on BG... but get the #19 pick because if memory serves Hedo is now useless

We add 4 first rounders... to Monroe, Knight, Stuckey, Daye, Jerebko and Maxiell... if that doesn't sell HOPE to the masses I don't know what will.

And if we draft well we could use the Celtics model and trade a collection of good young kids with one larger contract (Stuckey? Maxiell) for a star player to team with Monroe and Knight...

or we can hope that the Thunder model works and we've drafted a quality 4some to team with Monroe and Knight long term

I like it. Joe hasn't made a trade in like 3 years and now he does 3 at once!

Hate Childress, tho.

Adding Childress does give us at least three quality amnesty candidates, something most teams would kill for.

Just to clarify the amnesty rule... you can't amnesty someone that you traded for... only used for teams that originally signed them before the new CBA.

Thx, bro. That's actually worse for us, then, lol.

what I want to see happen:

#9 to the Rockets for #14 and #16

Trade Tayshaun Prince and our 2 second rounders to Phoenix for Josh Childress and #13

Trade Ben Gordon to Orlando for Hedo Turkoglu and #19

#13 = Austin Rivers
#14 = Perry Jones
#16 = Arnett Moultrie
#19 = Fab Melo

C: Monroe
F: Jones
F: Jerebko
G: Stuckey
G: Knight
6: Rivers
7: Moultrie
8: Daye
9: Melo
*: Hedo
*: Childress
*: Bynum
* Maxiell
*: Big Ben

Amnesty Nova

Monroe, Jones, Moultrie, Melo as the PF/C players moving forward... with Jerebko, Daye and sometimes Stuckey playing SF with Rivers, Stuckey, Daye all capable of playing some SG... Knight and rarely Stuckey and/or Rivers playing PG...

We spend slightly less on Childress than we would on Prince... but get the #13 pick because Childress is useless

We spend slightly less on Hedo than we would on BG... but get the #19 pick because if memory serves Hedo is now useless

We add 4 first rounders... to Monroe, Knight, Stuckey, Daye, Jerebko and Maxiell... if that doesn't sell HOPE to the masses I don't know what will.

And if we draft well we could use the Celtics model and trade a collection of good young kids with one larger contract (Stuckey? Maxiell) for a star player to team with Monroe and Knight...

or we can hope that the Thunder model works and we've drafted a quality 4some to team with Monroe and Knight long term

This is good... I agree with almost everything here... I'd tweek it a little... not sure the Suns would want to take on an older player as he doesn't help that much to put them over the top... they may also be in a rebuild mode.
We may want to just hang onto CV and try to get some actual trade value for his expiring year.

Recently read where Max may not opt in if we draft another PF... if he opts in we can easily deal him... if he opts out there's some good cap flexibility.

Definitely like the Moultrie & Melo picks... PJ III would work if you add a solid defender on the front line (like Melo).
Nice job P

I'm just messing around with the trade machine - doesn't have to be Phoenix and Childress

Just trying to see which teams in the top 20 have a shitty player/contract and might be willing to unload the guy for Prince or BG... and the price of them upgrading their bad contract/player is their pick.

I doubt the Warriors would be willing to part with #7 to dump Biedrins

I doubt Toronto would part with #8 to part with anyone on their roster

The Hornets are highly unlikely to dump #10... especially when they can add to Davis and Eric Gordon with it

Portland might be willing to part with #11 but would they do Prince for Matthews?

Would Milwaukee trade #12? I bet if someone was willing to take Drew Gooden they'd listen... Prince for Gooden and #12?

Would the Suns give us their pick if we took Childress? Or Warrick? Or Frye? All 3 of those guys have contracts 3 years or longer...

Would Philly give us #15? The only guys that come close to BG or Prince $$$ wise are Thad Young or Iggy

Would Dallas give us #17 and Marion for Prince? Saves them $1.8 mil in salary plus another $1.8 mil in luxury taxes (I think)

Plenty of teams could use Tayshaun... but how many would give us their pick in the exchange?

I think we need to go young - grab a bunch of kids and develop them. There is NO POINT clinging to the belief that what we currently have will be a dangerous team... and we're never going to attract the best of the best free agents IMO

So the Draft is it... get a bunch of young guys... and maybe if we're lucky they develop in 2 seasons or 3. If they're not progressing as well as we'd like we could package some of them with Stuckey or Nova or BG's expiring contract and trade for a quality player.

I think Monroe, Jerebko and Knight are a good start... what we do from there will make the difference. We either do the same old same old and stay stuck in the land of the losers... or we try something new (copy the Thunder)

^ THE BOOKER!

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/06/16/mock-draft-3-0-1-first-and-second-rounds/

Pistons trying to hide Moultrie?
http://mobile.mlive.com/advannarbor/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=wL4iCefw&full=true#display

well, if drummond slips the pistons obviously gotta pick him. same with robinson, but that is unlikely as fuck.

i want no part of meyers leonard. he just looks like some dude who with great athleticism and strength for college, but it wouldn't get anywhere in the pros. dude just screams scrub to me. i'd like to see him go at a current NBA player in practice and see how he fares. if he can't hold his own, fuck 'em.

arnett moultrie doesn't excite me much, but if that's the pick i won't be excited about it.

tyler zeller is higher on my list then both moultrie and leonard. he's still just ehh to me though.

i really want henson though. I think he'll be a beast. The guy was swatting crazy shots. Also, snatching that many boards on that carolina squad along side zeller can't be easy. Sometimes teams are built to give one main rebounder a chance at the ball, but that squad wasn't like that at all, he earned his boards. I think his weight issue is overblown. theo ratliff, marcus camby, joakim noah, kevin garnett and chris bosh are all skinny too. in fact the dude is a clone of anthony davis, he just got less touches and doesn't block shots quite as good (and doesn't have the star power draw of a unibrow). He's the only guy the pistons realistically have a shot at who would excite me.

I'd like Draymond Green in the second round. I think he's corliss with a chance at having better range.

Also like Darius Miller in the second round. He's got an NBA body for sure, he can shoot, he's a team player and he knows a winning environment.

So if the Pistons draft Henson, Green and Miller I might actually smile for a bit.

I agree with Koolaid on just about everything although I'm not completely sold on Drummond who is barely 6' 10" and is extremely limited offensively. He's got bust written all over him but still might be worth a flier if he drops which I think he might. I'm also not in love with Robinson. He's a terrible shooter which I think he will need to be in order to succeed in the NBA. He scored in the NCAA because he’s was a better athlete which won’t be the case in the NBA. He’ll rebound in the NBA but scares me as a top prospect.

I also think Meyers Leonard might turn out to be a better pro than Drummond. He's a legit 7' 1" and is much more mobile with the ability to even face up at times and take his man off the dribble. He's got an ugly looking shot that is suprisingly effective, sort of, for how ugly it looks but he is definitely RAW offensively. IMO, he has potential to score in the NBA mainly because of his physical skills and based on the flashes he's shown with his ability to create off the dribble, hit jump shots, etc. He's not a stiff like the average white center. He is one of the best big man athletes in this draft. I think he's worth a shot if Henson is off the board (I'll write more on henson below whom I agree with koolaid is the guy to get).

Moultrie is terrible and I would be extremely disappointed if he gets picked at 9 especially if henson, leonard and drummond are still available. He's an energy player that is physically gifted but also completely unskilled. If you can find video for him all he can really do is finish on the break and off passes around the rim. He's also not a good help-defender/shot-blocker which is what the pistons need to compliment monroe. No thanks.

Zeller is more polished and a better shooter than Leonard at this point in his career but that's only because he played 4 years of college ball. I think leonard will be a decent shooter if coached and based on his ability to face-up. Leonard is also twice the athlete zeller is and has much more potential to be something more than a back-up. Zeller is already 24 and will never be anything but a back-up. His brother, cody, is infinitely more skilled and a much better prospect (I love cody zeller who would have gone #2 if he had come out) No way the pistons draft tyler zeller unless they trade down.

Now for henson, whom I think is the guy to get mainly for 2 reasons: 1. He's a safer pick than leonard. He's going to be a solid pro because 2. he can rebound and block shots. These are two skills that always carry over from the NCAA to the NBA especially if you have height/length to go with it. He's a legit rebounder with the potential to be really good once he matures. He's already a GREAT shot blocker. I also love that he leads with his left hand when blocking shots. It still surprises me that NBA gms don't realize that these two skillsets, especially when performed in the ACC which he led in both categories, always carry over to the NBA. Leonard can also rebound and block shots but he's not quite as good as henson currently is. Leonard will need to work on developing consistency in these departments while henson will jump in day 1 and be able to contribute defensively.

I also think henson is an underrated offensive player. He was more of a small forward in his younger years and has a very good first step for a big. He has the potential to be a solid NBA scorer if he learns to finish around the basket.

I also really like how good he is with his left hand both offensively and when putting the ball on the floor. His big weapon is a lefty hook and he finishes much better with his left even though he strokes it right handed. This tells me he's coachable and is a guy that works on his game to develop certain skills. He could be difficult to defend someday.

Really his only negatives are his weight and athletic ability/ability to finish at the rim which means he will need to develop some kind of a mid-range game to be effective offensively in the NBA.

Either way Hanson is the guy to get.

I have no doubt Henson is one of THE guys to get at #9... I just don't think his presence and his presence alone will make much difference to us next season.

This team needs to be blown up in a major way. We have too many players that are on fairly good money ($5 mil+) that simply aren't good enough to take us where we need to go... or where we should want to go.

I wanna see Gores make a splash. I want to read about Joe Dumars making a lot of trades on Draft Day. I want us to come out of this Draft with a much more promising future.

Right now we have Monroe, Knight, Jerebko, maybe Daye, maybe Stuckey as pieces for the next 3 seasons.

Prince, BG, Nova, Big Ben = Done.

Maxiell? I hope we can trade him for a younger prospect (or 2?)

I would rather support a team that appears to have hope... as opposed to a team that appears lost in the wilderness

I've been checking DX every day for the last 4 or so and just a quick note:

Sullinger has dropped like a stone! Went from #7 yesterday (GSW) to #14 (HOU)

Their sweet 16 right now:

NOH = Davis
CHA = Robinson
WAS = Beal
CLE = MKG
SAC = Barnes
POR = Drummond
GSW = Lilliard (big mover)
TOR = Lamb
DET = Henson
NOH = Rivers (up a couple)
POR = Waiters (up a lot)
MIL = Zeller
PHO = Marshall (dropped some)
HOU = Sullinger
PHI = PJ3
HOU = Leonard

Moultrie has fallen to #20

nbadraft.net has some big differences:

Terrence Ross at #7

Leonard to us at #9

Marquis Teague at #16

Marshall = 17
PJ3 = 21
Sullinger = 19

What would it cost us to move from #9 to #4 or 5 or 6 assuming Drummond is there at 6?

#9 and our 2 second rounders? Or more?

Drummond and Monroe at PF/C = potential :)
Knight at PG = potential

Jerebko, Daye, Prince, BG, Stuckey, Singler plug in at SF and SG... Maxiell backs up Drummond and Monroe while Bynum backs up Knight

Or IF we could get #4 would you prefer MKG, Beal, Barnes, Drummond?

I've been checking DX every day for the last 4 or so and just a quick note:

Sullinger has dropped like a stone! Went from #7 yesterday (GSW) to #14 (HOU)

Their sweet 16 right now:

NOH = Davis
CHA = Robinson
WAS = Beal
CLE = MKG
SAC = Barnes
POR = Drummond
GSW = Lilliard (big mover)
TOR = Lamb
DET = Henson
NOH = Rivers (up a couple)
POR = Waiters (up a lot)
MIL = Zeller
PHO = Marshall (dropped some)
HOU = Sullinger
PHI = PJ3
HOU = Leonard

Moultrie has fallen to #20

So that was a few days ago...

The Sweet 16 from DX now (they updated on Monday 25th)

1 NOH = Davis... not going to change :)

2 CHA = Robinson
3 WAS = Beal
4 CLE = MKG
5 SAC = Barnes
6 POR = Lilliard
7 GSW = Waiters
8 TOR = Rivers
9 DET = Drummond

10 NOH = Lamb
11 POR = Henson
12 MIL = Zeller
13 PHO = Ross (DX moving him way up)
14 HOU = Leonard
15 PHI = PJ3 (been at this spot since I started looking)
16 HOU = Harkless

Kendall Marshall has fallen to #19, Sullinger is 20, Moultrie is 21, Quincy Miller is 22, Melo is 23... not a bad spot to be picking if we had a second 1st rounder

I personally can't see Portland picking Lilliard over Drummond at 6... simply because Lilliard could be on the board at 11 and there is no fucking way Drummond will be. Logical thing to do would be to take Drummond at 6 and if the Blazers are that desperate for a PG AND Lilliard was off the board (assume Toronto grabs him) then they could take Marshall at 11

From everything I'm reading there is a big drop off after the "usual" top 6 (Davis, Robinson, Beal, Drummond, MKG, Barnes)... and the next 15 guys are "equal"

I hope and pray we do somethin drastic on Draft Day... I want to care about the NBA again...

How bad did Moultrie injure himself?

Adrian Woj.


Minnesota has agreed to trade the 18th overall pick in Thursday's draft to Houston for Chase Budinger, league sources tell Y! Sports.


Houston has also included the rights to Israeli Lior Eliyahu in the deal to Minnesota, a source said.


The Rockets own the 14th, 16th and 18th picks in Thursday's draft. They want to make an offer that Orlando can't refuse for Dwight Howard.


Houston will keep working to flip those picks (14, 16 and 18) as part of package for Howard, or perhaps an impact player high in lottery.

i agree with you that this team needs a complete remake. otherwise mediocrity will be our ceiling- we won't be able to be any better than that. we need to stockpile young, athletic talent and hopefully strike lottery gold, have a lot of internal growth/development, and hopefully find some serious diamonds in the rough. otherwise we can't acquire the talent needed to compete with teams around the league. we have some of the most mediocre and mismatched talent around.

as for your idea of what it would take to move up.....unfortunately, unlike the nfl it would take a lot more than that to move up. even though it's just a few spots. picks towards the top of the draft have such high value, and the nfl draft trade chart doesn't apply. with fewer roster spots, far fewer impact players, nobody is going to be interested in a deal like that. i like your thinking though and i wish we could make some moves up the board.
What would it cost us to move from #9 to #4 or 5 or 6 assuming Drummond is there at 6?

#9 and our 2 second rounders? Or more?

Drummond and Monroe at PF/C = potential :)
Knight at PG = potential

Jerebko, Daye, Prince, BG, Stuckey, Singler plug in at SF and SG... Maxiell backs up Drummond and Monroe while Bynum backs up Knight

Or IF we could get #4 would you prefer MKG, Beal, Barnes, Drummond?

Drummond would be great, but i really really dont think he will drop to 9. I am gonna be pissed if GS or Toronto will take him at 7 or 8, same shit happened last year with Biyombo. On the other hand Henson seems to have some good workouts against the other bigs in our range, i wouldn't be too upset if we draft Henson.

@Mike_Bresnahan
Separetely, Lakers interested in Kentucky's Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, would be open to trading Pau for Top-5 pick and right package o' players

Latest Mock for DX has us landing Drummond

Latest Mock for NBADraft.net has us landing Henson

Scott Howard-Cooper's mock on NBA.com = Drummond

Yahoo's Mock posted 14 minutes ago by old mate Givony (wonder how Real GM likes him now!) also has us taking Drummond

Obviously Davis went #1

MKG at #2... interesting since most thought it would be Robinson

Wondering if Drummond will fall... surely Joe doesn't get lucky 3 Drafts in a row?

Beal @ #3... Robinson will be pissed

I really fucking hope we land a quality player in this Draft... seems like a lot of talent will be there at 9... who is the right guy though?

Drummond, Henson, Rivers, someone else? It's not just about next season...

according to DX MKG was not taken to be traded

Waiters at #4? WOW

T-Rob is such a crybaby. He'll fit in quite nicely in the league.

Kings get Robinson to pair with Cousins! Kings fans will be happy

My Blazers.

Don't know anything about this guy.

If the Kings are lucky Robinson will work his ass off to show teams they fucked up... like Paul Pierce did when he was drafted 10th

If Robinson pouts and cries and whines because he fell to #5... then the Kings took him too early!

I don't doubt these kids all have awesome talent... but what seperates them is the mental part of the game.

Some fuckers can't handle the NBA because of travel or because of the different environment around the team, some guys stop working hard because they made it, there are a thousand reasons why kids don't live up to the hype

And I don't think the "he just wasn't good enough" excuse cuts it!

Warriors taking Barnes.

Bet the Craptors take Drummond and we take Zeller.

(pulling stuff out of my ass as usual... NH?)

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Damian-Lillard-6152/

Rivers, Drummond... would take either for us at 9

do the raps take dummond? if not, i think he's ours. if not, i think we'll go with henson.

or trade down to the early 2nd round and take walter sharpe again.

Barnes to the gun shot wounds

Forgot all about Henson.

Ford said Pistons are taking Drummond if he's available.

Here's hoping the Raps take Rivers...

bust or no bust you take the big fella with all the potential in the world.. hope he's not Darko II

how bad does boston want rivers? they could come calling for our pick. but can we go down that far? maybe if avery bradley is included.

doubtful we'll pass up a legit big like drummon though. he's VERY raw but the kid is a freak athlete. could be a franchise type steal of a player down the line.

DX say Rivers will be taken by the craps

Cavs apparently offering 4, 24, 33 to Charlotte for MKG and a second rounder

yeah we'd have to take drummond if he's there. even if he never gets it offensively, he's a huge defensive force and a freak athlete who could average 15 ppg just on garbage buckets. plus he could definitely be dominant defensively and fit really well with monroe.

henson has a ton of potential and i'd like him a lot. but i don't know that he'll ever be strong enough to be what we want him to be. to me he's amir johnson all over again, which is exciting and good in some ways, but.....we know how limited he was in other ways.

Drummond is 18? Damn.

wow. take rivers then! we'll take drummond!!!!!!!

They took Ross? WTF?

BOOM!

Andre Drummond come on down

Although I think Rivers might end up being pretty fucking good down the line

ba-ha-ha!!!!! even better. now we can either trade to the highest bidder for someone who wants rivers or we take drummond, a guy who has #1 overall type talent. he's the guy i'd want out of this draft, outside of anthony davis!

to get him at #9 could be the type of break this franchise needs to change our fortunes. seriously!!!

take him joe!!!!!

if frank lights a fire under his ass, we'll looking at a stud franchise center who can improve everyone around him just with his presence/size/athleticism/ability to alter the way opponents attack us.

OMG. i have to say that 3 years in a row, we've had damn good players fall in our laps. this one might be the most surprising one with the best potential too.

AWESOME!!!!

‏@AndyGlockner
Wow, now DET gets to develop Drummond so he can land an egregious FA deal elsewhere in 2016. Sweet.

wow. we still desperately need wing players who can get to the bucket and score above the rim and off the dribble. and we need more shooters. but knight, monroe, and drummond are 3 awesome pieces to work with.

like i said, drummond is crazy raw and there were some questions about his motor. but in the right situation, he could be a dominant allstar player.

Better to be lucky than good!

Dumars landed Monroe, Knight and Drummond 3 years in a row!

Thanks some cool shit!

no, i agree with dude on ESPN- this is seriously the 3rd year in a row that THE guy we wanted fell in our laps. it's absolutely 100% true and not just PR BS. drummond is a perfect fit and a ridiculously fortunate break for us. outside of landing the #1 and anthony davis, this is the best possible thing that could've happened to us!!!!!!

fellas, i'm shocked. i did not see this happening. i hoped and dreamed about it. but this took a super lucky set of circumstances for this to happen. dumars must have just creamed in his shorts!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZclddLcOYYA

I realise that you always take the best big man available but seriously... part of me thinks Rivers is going to be awesome

"Detroit knows all about good motors."

For shame, Mark Jones.

It's official.. we select Drummond!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

If Rivers turns out to be as good as P thinks, and NO drafts him and puts him with Davis, damn.

no bulking up necessary. he's a massive ox but yet still has a ridiculous set of athletic skills- fast, leaper, and agile. unbelievable break for us guys!!!

sorry to keep repeating myself, but this is JUST the type of lucky break this franchise needed to begin to turn the corner. the kid has a LONG way to go but he is the best talent we've drafted in ages. probably since grant hill i would say. it's up to him to develop that skill set and become a serviceable shooter, in particular. but this is the best talent we've drafted since grant hill. there, i said it.

now if only he can fulfil his talent. something tells me a leader and worker like brandon knight will help him work towards achieving that! i'm SUPER hyped. can't wait to see what we do in round 2.

Can we now trade Stuckey and our 2 second rounders for whichever team gets Rivers?

i like rivers but there's nothing unique about his skill set. there's a guy or a couple of guys like him that come out every year. not saying he can't be really good, but just that the drummond pick is much more sensible not to mention has FAR more upside.

i know 'potential' is a bad word in these parts after darko. but this is different. the kid has shown us against NCAA talent that he's got an nba body and the physique to be a great nba center. he's not a wing player disguisd as a big man. on defense alone, drummond is going to be a beast, that mucvh i can almost guarantee. that makes him tremendously valuable.

I'd like to get Glan's thoughts.

On who "his" Thunder might draft, I mean.

to be clear: I have no idea if Rivers will be awesome.

But based on everything I have read and seen the kid has a world of talent. It comes down to the mental side of it and I think given his Dad is a former player/current Coach and he's probably had access to Pierce, KG, Ray Allen etc during the last 5 years Austin Rivers should be a success

If he's not then something weird happened

i thought the last 2 drafts we got incredibly lucky with how the picks fell. i seriously wanted both of the 2 guys we got in 2010 and 2011. but i never dreamed this was possible. this is a far more fortunate break for us and one i think will pay off BIGTIME before too long.

i agree- i think rivers will be good for sure. but finding a dominant big man is far more difficult to do than finding a really good 1 or 2 with rivers' skillset. basically, we could acquire a guy simiar to rivers in time, without too much trouble. but if drummond develops like expected, we would never have a shot at acquiring him because franchise centers are that rare.

You always take the big man over everyone else... I would take Drummond's potential every time too

I'm just saying that of all the kids coming out this Draft Rivers has probably had the most contact with professional NBA players/Coaches. If that doesn't give him an advantage then nothing will ever help him

NOH had Rivers pegged at 10 for ages... Monty believes he can play him at PG... Davis and Rivers in the same draft should = great start for the future

DX just pointed out the obvious:

This Draft was supposed to be full of quality bigs... yet 7 of the first 10 picks are perimeter players :)

I can't believe we got Drummond! WOW!

Where is Kstat? Praise Joe like you should :)

drummond is 6-11 and 280. and yet he can still jump out of the gym. he has the wingspan of a 7-6 man. and he's 18 years old, not quite 19. he's very raw, but RIGHT NOW he's a solid rebounder and good shot blocker from day 1. we desperately need that alongside monroe. those facts alone make his disruptive and a great pick. add to the fact that he has so much athleticism and ability to change the game is exciting. given time, he could be a dominant center not too unlike dwight howard. it's all up to him and our coaches to bring the best out of him.

let's get some shooters in round 2!

HW - when it comes to the Draft I will always give your opinion much more weight simply due to the 2003 Draft.

NO ONE wanted us to Draft Wade @2... you wanted to trade down and get him! The fact that he's turned out to be the best player available to us all these years later makes it an obvious choice now

But back then? People thought you were fucking stupid!

So when you say Drummond can be a franchise C... colour me happy mate

Of all current/past players who is Drummond most likely to be IF all goes well... Dwight Howard?

Marshall to Phoenix next

WTF happened to all the trades?

I'm out for a while... might come back in an hour or so and see how the rest of the first round went...

Pretty fucking quiet on here which is a real shame now that we got Drummond!

I guess everyone thought it would be another ho-hum Draft

I just can't take Broussard seriously.

Holy shit, I just noticed/remembered that Stu Scott isn't here. So awesome.

lol- thanks for the props P. i can be wrong too, as i was on rodney white. i guess i didn't take into account that the kid had his mind out of it and did not work to fulfill his physical talent.

but yes- it's a lofty comparison considering howard is an established allstar, rebounding machine, and defensive force....but yes- i think that's a player he's very similar to. from day 1 he's a huge asset defensively and on the boards. not much to his offensive game aside from athletic plays where he attacks the basket. doesn't have much low post game but maybe better than howard was coming out of high school. athletically he's unparalleled though. seriously- he's so big, long, and athletic, it's ridiculous. howard/shaq-like. will he be as good as them? i did not say that but he has that sort of crazy potential. many experienced scouts say he has even more upside than davis. but the concerns about playing hard all the time exist. i think/hope some of that may have been overblown.

they worry drummond isn't as passionate as he should be. the kid says he just has a different demeanor- some detractors said the same thing about tim duncan. i have never met him or seen him work in practice but calhoun supports him. so one would hope that he has 'it'. the concerns are that he doesn't go 100% all the time. that can be a scary thing but it's a characteristic that has been seen in players (especially bigs) before, when they're so athletically dominant that they can just beat everyone on that basis alone. it doesn't mean that he's lazy or won't work to fulfill his talent. not to mention, he's not even quite 19 yet.

so he's still learning and maturing as a young man. IF he comes to detroit and adopts the motown work ethic and works like his teammate brandon knight does, i guarantee this will go down as a franchise changing draft pick and he could be a player quite similar to howard. howard hasn't won a title and is not a guy you can feed in the post in crunch time over and over since he's a poor FT shooter. but would you take howard on your team as is? of course you would. surround him with enough shooters and complimentary players, and he'll be a dominant force, regardless.

can't say i'll put my whole rep on the line for this kid because it's up to HIM to work at his craft. but i feel very strongly that this was THE steal of the draft, by a mile and quite possibly the best player in 5 years from now. he's a once in a decade type of athletic talent. now we have to coach him up and mold him into a finished product that can resurrect a dying franchise.

not to mention that getting drummond means that monroe can now play PF for good. that's incredible and fantastic for monroe. we now have a formidable front court with ridiculous potential. i can't wait to watch these 2 bigs working together. monroe has great passing skills and ability to spot up and score in a variety of ways. i can just see him feeding drummond around the rim as teams move to cover monroe.

i'd love to try and acquire a guy like rudy gay. that would give us a young team with all kinds of exciting potential. we still have 2 second rounders and i'm exciting to see us add some athletic wings (2 guard, SF) who can shoot at finish around the rim.

i'm dreaming now, but imagine if we could land harden and josh smith in FA next year?

knight
harden
smith
monroe
drummond

that would be a serious team to watch develop. ok, i'm dreaming! more likely we need to just keep drafting well and hope we can uncover a hidden gem of a SG/SF to pair with the front court we have currently. happy days!!!!!

Joe must have eaten every part of the rabbit except the foot.

3rd year in a row that a +value player falls into his severely obscured lap.

when do we pick next? not soon enough!

if doron lamb fell to #39, i'd be ecstatic. nice spot up shooter off the bench.

there will be good players at our 2nd round picks. let's hope we find them!

how fall will perry jones fall? he's a hell of a prospect and could be a huge steal for someone!

hate to agree with him, but broussard is right- moultrie is a good late 1st or early 2nd for someone. REALLY good this late IMO. very solid rotation player to do the dirty work.

damnit. i can just see a team like miami taking doron lamb. i'd hate that.

Perry Jones to the Thunder.

Who could we be looking, HW?

i think we'll be looking for a shooter and athlete at either SG or SF. doron lamb is a perfect fit IMO but i guess me mentioning him and the fact that he's too good to be had at our 2nd rounder, means he'll go before #39. lol

awesome pick for the thunder. almost no risk and he goes to a winning situation. he has lottery talent so i'll be curious to see his health. a great athlete who fits their style of play.
Perry Jones to the Thunder.

or we'll draft walter sharpe again. ;)

quincy miller is an elite athlete and could fit the bill at SF if he can prove his health. he's a wingman who can get to the bucket and has nice form on his J. those are 2 things we really lack- SHOOTERS and guy who can get to the rim AND FINISH. (and looking at you mr. stuckey) if he was healthy we're talking about a probable lottery pick. obviously i'm no doctor and i don't know what they've determined about his knee. he could be a great pick for someone though, IF he stays healthy.

we need elite athleticism on this team to go with what we currently have. i'd take an elite athlete at either SG, SF or even another big man. but preferrably a SG or SF. shooters and finishers. let's go get 'em!

james is a real nice pick for the cavs. he's older but he's a player and i think they'll really like him. he was a 2nd round sleeper i liked for us. good for him.

Oh, we've got the 39th pick. Thought it was the 35th.

Warriors are taking Draymond Green.

Kinda like him, even though he's a Sparty.

4 more picks, then us!!!!

lamb- already spoke of him
miller- see above
orlando johnson- love this guy. shooter and athlete!
kevin murphy- one of the biggest sleepers in the draft and crazy range
quincy acy- great athlete and still lots of upside
machado- PG but maybe the PG sleeper of the draft IF we went for more depth
english
barton

damnit- never mind on johnson. watch that kid. could be a rookie who surprises.

and there goes acy. awesome athlete but not a defined position or offensive game. one of those 'scrappers' who will find his way onto a roster.

Read something about the 'stons being pretty big on Machado. Wouldn't be surprised if that's the pick.

That's all I've got.

i'd want lamb if he's there. or maybe barton.

there goes miller. if healthy, he could be the 2nd round steal.

Looks like we're getting Lamb.

:tebow:

SWERVE!! KHRIS MIDDLETON!!

i hope it's lamb. machado would make some sense though even though we have knight. i'd like barton or kevin murphy too- all could be very solid players IMO.

I came back for that?

All good though - we got Drummond :)

ok. not bad. i overlooked him but definitely not a bad pick. i would've gone lamb or barton over him thouhg. but maybe 1 of the guys i mentioned with be there at #44. i hope! barton is already gone. :(

middleton is a shooter though which is good. i ain't mad!

We could still land Lamb.

I'll be dam....ned.

Milwaukee Fucks.

ok now i'm mad. lamb is gone. great shooter who would've been a great fit with his buddy knight.

Maybe Joe and the boys are hoping his last college season was due to injury

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Khris-Middleton-6332/

i would've targetted lamb at #39 and if i wanted middleton, go for him at #44, although it's been rumoured middleton was rising as a possible late 1st rounder.

i just wanted lamb really badly so it's tough for me to swallow. let's see what we do at #44 though. still a couple guys i like!

lol @ Mark Jackson

Kim English

i like it!!!! was one of the guys i mentioned earlier. apparently he's been killing it in workouts and rising up the boards. he's a shooter off the bench, nothing more nothing less. but every team needs those guys so he'll contribute IMO.

aside from having a chick's name, he's a nice pickup.

so this Draft got us (potentially)

A franchise C

2 shooters

Could have been worse :)

guys i like this draft. a lot. i still would've preferred lamb and an elite athlete. but these are good basketball players and i can see them making the team and being good role players, particularly english.

good step forward and can't fault joe much for this trio.

great draft, got lucky again Drummond did fall, i never thought that Andre would really slip to 9, but it happened, great day.... if he pans out we got a very nice core with Monroe, Knight, Drummond

I never thought we had any shot at Drummond. I figured we were going to get Henson, who I would've been ok with -- either him or maybe we reached for Zeller.

I have lots of concerns about whether or not we can develop Drummond. Calhoun couldn't get him to make a fucking free throw -- not a good sign. The last 3 Calhoun big men drafted in the 1st round have been Thabeet, Hilton Armstrong, and Josh Boone -- all really studly at the NBA level. Hopefully, Dumars has a sane development plan in mind, and hopefully it doesn't involve Ben Wallace as his FT coach.

@Keith_Langlois: Andre Drummond will wear No. 1, Kim English No. 24 and Khris Middleton No. 32

I would've felt better with Doron Lamb as one of our second rounders.
I was surprised we didn't tap some Euro-big with one of the 2 picks.

@Keith_Langlois: Andre Drummond will wear No. 1, Kim English No. 24 and Khris Middleton No. 32

http://stacheketball.neswblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/pistons4.jpg

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8111210/welcome-draft-diary-xvi

Bill Simmons Draft Diary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwtvTz1LXd4&feature=youtu.be

Donnie Nelson talks and walks

I was surprised we didn't tap some Euro-big with one of the 2 picks.
Ahhh... I see where the Euro-big is coming from.