3-teamer with Minny

Rip and #8 pick to Cavs for TPE

Cavs send #4 and #8 to Minny for #2

Cavs draft Irving and Williams at 1 and 2

that's horrible for Detroit. next year rip has value as an expiring. So the Pistons give up a draft pick and get nothing in return in exchange for cutting one year of Rip's contract.

The only way I'd do this is if I was sure I could land an awesome free agent, but there aren't even any awesome free agents on the market this year.

Yea, this trade would be pretty retarded as stated.

Jonas is worth more than the #8 pick in this draft. He already is what people want Jan Vesely to become.

Now if Minny gave us back the #20 pick overall, I think I would do it.

Jonas is worth more than the #8 pick in this draft. He already is what people want Jan Vesely to become.

injured?

The thought of having a huge TPE to take back a player in another trade is appealing, if we knew it would get used and used properly, that is. Especially if the hard cap gets put into place and teams need to move salaries.

This trade is subtraction by subtraction. It sucks. I would rather give away Ben Gordon with #8, keep Rip, and use him as an expiring next season. And I would still want #20.

And Flynn

Broussard tweeted some updates that suggest that the Cavs would waive Rip after the deal (or using the new amnesty clause) and that the Pistons will not do the deal unless they get players back, too.

If there's a new amnesty clause, presumably the pistons would be willing to just waive him themselves rather than give up a pick to unload him. If not that presumably means we're running things on the super cheap which means we have much bigger problems than Rip to worry about.


Also, just to be clear (and please correct me if I'm wrong), Rip is NOT due to be an expiring next year, he has 2 full years left on his deal, running through 2013. Huge difference.

If there's a new amnesty clause, presumably the pistons would be willing to just waive him themselves rather than give up a pick to unload him. If not that presumably means we're running things on the super cheap which means we have much bigger problems than Rip to worry about.


Also, just to be clear (and please correct me if I'm wrong), Rip is NOT due to be an expiring next year, he has 2 full years left on his deal, running through 2013. Huge difference.

yep, he's got another year but an expiring contract holds value to the point where instead of giving picks to get rid of him the pistons would get picks.

I remember reading that his last year is only partially guaranteed, but IIRC, the guaranteed amount is not a small sum.

$9,000,000 of Rip's $12.5 million in 2013 is guaranteed, so he's not really an expiring contract next season.

As has been mentioned earlier, I'd do this trade with Cleveland

Cleveland gets #2 and Hamilton, trades #4 & future conditional 1st rounder (lottery protected 2012 through 2016, if not received by 2016, trades 2016 2nd rounder and $3 million cash)
Minnesota gets #4, #8, #52 and Bynum, trades #2, #20, and Flynn
Detroit gets #20, conditional 1st rounder, and Flynn, trades Hamilton, Bynum, #8, and #52

Also, if you're worried about the potential amnesty part of this trade (and I think there will be one in the next CBA), don't forget that Dumars has saddled this team with so many bad contracts that we could still use it on Maxiell or Villanueva, two very good candidates.

Also, if you're worried about the potential amnesty part of this trade (and I think there will be one in the next CBA), don't forget that Dumars has saddled this team with so many bad contracts that we could still use it on Maxiell or Villanueva, two very good candidates.

Max's contract is expiring except for his player option which I'm sure can be bought out. If we go with amnesty it would be Rip, CV, or Gordon based on production and dollar value.

He isn't gonna let us buy it out for much less than it is.

lol, fuck this, fuck everything about this

Max's contract is expiring except for his player option which I'm sure can be bought out. If we go with amnesty it would be Rip, CV, or Gordon based on production and dollar value.

Maxiell is as much of an expiring contract as Will Bynum is (or Rip Hamilton for that matter). He's not going to turn down his player option, and it can't be bought out any more than any other guaranteed contract.

My top 5 for amnesty (and it's pretty bad that there are 5 true candidates) are Hamilton, Maxiell, Villanueva, Gordon, and Ben Wallace (if he retires). If the Pistons trade Rip, there are still plenty of candidates to release with that clause. It's not a reason to turn down a decent trade for Hamilton (and the current proposal isn't it).

I've gotta stop letting these agents buy me dinner. Just because I order the lobster doesn't mean I have to put out.


/weakneedswork

To sum this thread up for me...lol wut?

Maxiell is as much of an expiring contract as Will Bynum is (or Rip Hamilton for that matter). He's not going to turn down his player option, and it can't be bought out any more than any other guaranteed contract.

Except that Maxiell is a lot cheaper and can be bought out for maybe 3 or 3.5 mil of the 5 he is going to make. That's a BIG dollar difference from Gordon, Rip or CV which is why I took him out of the running. Bynum is considerably less and is possibly tradeable.

Bynum is absolutely tradable. Good production and heart, locked up on a decent contract.

I bet every one of the teams that he's torched coming off the bench would want him.

Hopefully, we get a coach that will know how to get the most out of him, ourselves.

i would do this only if we get the 20th pick, giving up a lottery pick just for dumping salary is too much, even in a weak draft

we would have 36 mil in salary for next season, resigning Jonas and Stuckey + 10 mil, we could still have cap space after that, but who knows how the CBA will look like after the lockout

I can't imagine any smart team will do a straight salary dump without knowing what the CBA is like.

Dumars made that mistake last time in trading away Corliss. If he hasn't learned from that mistake, he should be retired.

Justin (Cleveland)
What is the likelihood of the Cleveland-Detroit-Minnesota trade we are hearing rumors of?

Chad Ford (1:20 PM)
Cleveland would love to get the NO. 2 pick. Minnesota is open to moving it. No way Detroit gives up the No. 8 pick to dump Rip Hamilton in his last year. If Cavs-Wolves do a deal, it will either be straight up or under a different configuration.

sigh

Report: Cleveland Cavs willing to take bad contract off Detroit Pistons' hands in exchange for No. 8 pick http://bit.ly/lEjgRA

Also see: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30688/sources-cavs-seeking-third-lottery-pick

DO IT. Then take on bad contracts for picks in a good draft year.

Marc Stein says Cavs are still very open to using TPE in trade before it expires at midnight.

clock is dicking