-Give Ben Gordon the minutes and shot attempts it took him to be successful with Chicago. Period. Play him strictly at SG, and give him the green light to be an assassin. We overpaid for him to begin with, the least we can do is have him match his previous production. I crunched the numbers, and this would entail him receiving over 30mpg and shooting anywhere from 16-19 FGs a game. He should be one of our top two options, period.

-Give Hamilton minutes. It's eerie, but his PER36 numbers are identical across the board relative to his career PER36 averages. Prior to last season (when he was straight up ditched by Kuester), he averaged about 34mpg. Also, use him the way he's most effective. Play him off the ball and give him screens and curling opportunities, and also encourage him to get to the line. He should also be one of our top two options whenever on the floor.

-Have Stuckey pattern his game after Rondo/Kidd rather than Wade/Rose. He has the size and strength and athletic ability to dominate the position...via rebounding and passing. He is the 23rd strongest PG to ever bench at the combine, and only five stronger are currently in the league (only Deron and Nelson top him as starters). He should be aiming to be a floor general and a triple double threat, rather than a possible 30 point scorer. The fool needs to get in the post, too.

-Go with three guards, moving Hamilton to the SF. Pair them with two of our intangible/rebounding bigs (Monroe, Jerebko, Wallace, hopefully our rookie C) and run/gun. I understand that small-ball was a Michael Curry favorite, but he was trying this shit with 6'0" Allen Iverson, not a great shooter.
We simply have to get Hamilton and Gordon minutes and shots, and they may need to share floor time to get it.

-Use a zone! At least, against those teams that don't live and die by the three. There are only four starting PGs who have longer wingspans than Stuckey (Rose, Westbrook, Wall, Devin Harris) and only Wall has a better standing reach. Only Gay and Durant have longer wingspans than Daye (and both have shorter standing reaches). I can't find measurements on Hamilton or Jerebko...but Villanueva's standing reach is elite (only three inches shorter than the highest ever), definitely in the top 25% of PFs. Say we get Biyombo? He has the fifth longest wingspan ever recorded. I realize that the zone was part of Flip Saunders' shtick, but it could be effective on this team, especially if a small frontcourt (think Villanueva or Maxiell at C, which happens) or backcourt is adopted for whatever reason. It might be necessary to prevent a lot of these slashing PGs from having their way with us.

-Use Villanueva and Monroe as high post facilitators/playmakers. Hell, we could even run the offense through Monroe from the low post and go inside-out (as well as Wallace, man has he gotten crafty). Villanueva shouldn't just camp up at the perimeter to hoist threes. On offense, he's actually a triple threat, especially from the PF position. We should exploit his versatility and repertoire.

My ideal lineup:
Stuckey 32/Bynum 16/...White
Hamilton 16/Gordon 32/Stuckey
Daye 20/Hamilton 16/Jerebko 12
Jerebko 18/Villanueva 26/...Maxiell
Monroe 32/Wallace and ROOKIE 20

If the MLE is still around, this would be the year to use it on a SF. I simply don't trust Daye yet and prefer him to be a deep bench utility man. I'd even keep McGrady, if he were willing to re-up for 2-3 years. Beyond that? I'd give Al Thornton and Josh Howard and Earl Clark looks.

Is any of this not feasible?
I don't expect to see many changes made to this roster, but I do believe that we have a ton of talent on this roster that's just waiting to be used correctly. Honestly, I think this team could be a top 4-5 team in the East soon (factoring in a Boston decline and Dwight possibly leaving Orlando).

yeah, it's not feasible because these clowns have no mentality.

it's too late for stuckey to be modeled after rondo/kidd. it was probably never possible. It's like saying CV should model his defense after Garnett. It would require swapping brains.

as for BG getting more shots, see what i wrote above. especially planning on Rip getting the same amount of touches as he used to. Rondo might be the only guy in the league who could pull that off. Stuckey certainly can't, because he's more concerned with shooting himself.

Glan wouldn't mind if Stuckey shot himself

Glan wouldn't mind if Stuckey shot himself

Would ideally like to see him traded first, so we can get something for him.

it cant get a lot worse than this, that is for sure, who knows with a solid coach, Jonas, lottery rookie + any trades this team could be right back in the playoffs, the east is not really that good...its possible


about Jonas, must read Langlois propaganda
http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/truebluepistons_110421.html

re: los' post, my takes

General agreement on some things, disagreement on others, such as...

Making Stuckey a PG. It hasn't worked, it won't work, let alone dreaming that he'll not only be an acceptable PG, but Rondo/Kidd level? That's nuts. He's got bad handles and zero court vision. This is not debatable.

Rip can't play how we know he can, coming off screens/curls, without a legitimate PG that can get him the ball at the right time and in the right places. Been saying this for years, so sorry to sound like a broken record, but Stuckey passing to Rip is fail.

I would keep Jerebko, Monroe, Bynum, maybe Rip (rather than have to pay to get rid of him) and maybe Daye, but all of the rest can go for all I care.

My priority would be to get something in a S&T for Stuckey (either another young player with comparable value or an expiring contract and a 1st round pick) and then try like hell to move Charlie and Gordon. Easier said than done.

it's too late for stuckey to be modeled after rondo/kidd. it was probably never possible. It's like saying CV should model his defense after Garnett. It would require swapping brains.

as for BG getting more shots, see what i wrote above. especially planning on Rip getting the same amount of touches as he used to. Rondo might be the only guy in the league who could pull that off. Stuckey certainly can't, because he's more concerned with shooting himself.

Well, last year the team averaged 81 shot attempts per game. By going uptempo (with our smaller backcourt/youth/general athleticis)m and/or improving the defense AT ALL (which was ranked 28th last year) and/or putting an emphasis on offensive rebounding (we only had 11 a game last year), I'm sure we could get easily up that number,
Say 16 for Hamilton, 16 for Gordon, 12 for Stuckey, 10 for Villanueva, 10 for Monroe, 8 for Jerebko, 6 for Daye, 6 for Bynum, 4 for the backup C. That totals to 82 right there, and brings us to what I'd say is a reasonably fair and even shot distribution.
As a matter of fact Stuckey, only averaged about 12 shots a game last year, so this should be nothing new to him.

re: los' post, my takes

General agreement on some things, disagreement on others, such as...

Making Stuckey a PG. It hasn't worked, it won't work, let alone dreaming that he'll not only be an acceptable PG, but Rondo/Kidd level? That's nuts. He's got bad handles and zero court vision. This is not debatable.

Rip can't play how we know he can, coming off screens/curls, without a legitimate PG that can get him the ball at the right time and in the right places. Been saying this for years, so sorry to sound like a broken record, but Stuckey passing to Rip is fail.

I would keep Jerebko, Monroe, Bynum, maybe Rip (rather than have to pay to get rid of him) and maybe Daye, but all of the rest can go for all I care.

My priority would be to get something in a S&T for Stuckey (either another young player with comparable value or an expiring contract and a 1st round pick) and then try like hell to move Charlie and Gordon. Easier said than done.

I'm not saying he'd be as good as Rondo or Kidd (I would never bet that he will be an NBA champion, make an all-defense team, play in an all-star game, or make an all-nba team), but he could focus on using his size and strength as an advantage as a floor general. If Jason Williams can settle down and lead the league in A/TO ratio, there's hope for anybody, as White Chocolate is a knucklehead.
Chauncey made the transformation, and he did it alongside Rip (who we still have), Tayshaun (same frame and range as Daye), Rasheed (essentially, Villanueva on offense), and Ben (still on the team, Monroe could be even better). That's what I'd sell him on. This SAME blueprint of a team got Chauncey a championship, a finals MVP, five all-star games, 3 all-nba teams, two all-defensive teams, and a big contract that ended at FOURTEEN! million a year. I think the right coach could get him to refocus, and by that I mean ANY coach that has had actual success and a scrotum.

and if Stuckey can't do it, we run the offense through Monroe in the high post and give Bynum more minutes (who produces assists more often than Rodney). Greg averaged 4apg as a C in college, and we should exploit his ability regardless of Stuckey's willingness.

I'm all for making trades and consolidating talent and getting bad apples off this team, but I just don't think it's going to happen. If I were the owner I'd pull a James Dolan-Isiah Thomas and tell Joe D, "alright, you constructed this roster. You have one season to pick a coach and prove to me that this core actually had a purpose".

people always talk about running the offense through Monroe, it's not really possible. How is a guy supposed to get position, wait for teammates to get open, be a post presence and do it consistently when he can only be in the paint for three seconds? You'd basically need to run an offense just to run an offense. Or you could just have him get the ball at the top of the key, but then you likely have no post presence. A big with good court vision is nice, but it's not a substitute for a point guard.


As for Stuck only shooting 12 times a game, it doesn't really matter to me. He's definitely looking for his own shot much more than he's looking to get his teammate's in position to score, and although the number 12 is pretty shocking to me, to me it's just a sign that he really is that bad at what he's always trying to do. How often does he catch some one off a screen? How about let somebody establish post position? Does he run a pick and roll to get his teammate a mismatch, an open shot or a lane? Does he penetrate and kick it out to one of the many shooters he has on his team? Good PGs find their guys those looks about 20 times a game. Stuck does it about 5 times a game, and they convert about half of those looks. The other assists he gets are him passing to his guys way outside of where they should be because Stuck can't keep his dribble. They go face up for themselves. Every single back court player or shooter that has played with Stuck has seen a serious drop in their production. Am I really supposed to think it's a coincidence or some shit?

the only questions I have left about Stuckey are why the hell does some of the piston's fan base support him and does anyone outside of those idiots still think he has value (specifically another team's gm). I honestly can't think of a player that hurts his team's offense more then he does, because most of the guys who suck don't have the privilege of forcing up shots and making better players take a back seat. I'm at the point where I don't even want him to succeed really. If he somehow flipped and did a 180 next season I'd keep my mouth shut, but I wouldn't be happy about it. It's hard to root for a dude who took center stage in making the Pistons suck for three straight years.

Nice post.

Not to be a Stuckey apologist, which I'm not (since I'm advocating for a role change), but he has had three different coaches in four years, two of which were completely inept and one whose head we were calling for for quite some time (Flip), all three of which have lost the players durign their tenure. When he was playing for the best coach of the three, he was a rookie 8th man. Then he had a shitshow of a backcourt with Iverson and Rip to deal with. Then Gordon was brought in and confused Rip's and Stuckey's roles even further, to the point that nobody's role or position or spot in the lineup was consistent.
Stuckey has hardly developed as a player because he's had to deal with three systems and a revolving door of dominant guards to play alongside (Chauncey, Hamilton, Iverson, Gordon, even McGrady)! All we've done for the kid is say, "hm, you were a combo guard in college...be a point guard in the NBA". That's it. We haven't put him in a situation to excel as a PG, nor have we pushed him to pattern his game in a specific direction. As a result, his instincts kick in, and he's a poor man's Dwyane Wade at the PG position, which leads to tunnel vision, questionable shot selection, and everything but winning basketball. It doesn't help, certainly, when the veteran leadership on the team played selfishly as shit this season.

We don't KNOW if he can play as a "truer" PG because we haven't asked him to.

Watching Stuckey over these years, I still see Flip Murray/Jerry Stackhouse. Murray actually had better handles and could finish at the rim. But that's who Stuckey is, he wants/needs a high volume of shots, and he wants to get his own, making him a good to average first guard off the bench. Playing him with starters just ends up undermining their ability to contribute. Let him steal shots from the 2nd unit guys, not the starters.

Not to be a Stuckey apologist, which I'm not (since I'm advocating for a role change), but he has had three different coaches in four years, two of which were completely inept and one whose head we were calling for for quite some time (Flip), all three of which have lost the players durign their tenure. When he was playing for the best coach of the three, he was a rookie 8th man. Then he had a shitshow of a backcourt with Iverson and Rip to deal with. Then Gordon was brought in and confused Rip's and Stuckey's roles even further, to the point that nobody's role or position or spot in the lineup was consistent.
Stuckey has hardly developed as a player because he's had to deal with three systems and a revolving door of dominant guards to play alongside (Chauncey, Hamilton, Iverson, Gordon, even McGrady)! All we've done for the kid is say, "hm, you were a combo guard in college...be a point guard in the NBA". That's it. We haven't put him in a situation to excel as a PG, nor have we pushed him to pattern his game in a specific direction. As a result, his instincts kick in, and he's a poor man's Dwyane Wade at the PG position, which leads to tunnel vision, questionable shot selection, and everything but winning basketball. It doesn't help, certainly, when the veteran leadership on the team played selfishly as shit this season.

We don't KNOW if he can play as a "truer" PG because we haven't asked him to.
that's a load of shit. Everybody on the fucking team is a scorer basically, so I strongly doubt he was being asked to do that. Why do you think he was getting benched this season? It wasn't just attitude, and people who watched McGrady start know exactly why he got that.


I'm not buying that bullshit about his team playing selfishly either. Ben Gordon hardly ever shoots and the other guys get horrible looks but shoot them anyways.They're shooters though, it's what they're supposed to do. The really funny thing is that even with them not getting spoon fed a god damned thing Tay and Rip were still better options than your boy Stuck.

What I see is a bunch of people blaming everyone but Stuckey even though he's been the only consistent thing. He's played under 3 coaches, and the Pistons sucked under 2 of them (and the first one had him in a reduced role). He's had a shitty backcourt, but every one of those guys has proven himself elsewhere. He's had inconsistent minutes but that's because the kid fucking sucks. It's time to call it as it is, Stuck is a 1 who is better off guarding 2s or 3s. He also is a one man backcourt who doesn't do shit for the other guards on the team. He shoots a low percentage and can't run an offense. His defense on 2s and 3s is his best skill, but considering he's a "1" that doesn't mean much.

Watching Stuckey over these years, I still see Flip Murray/Jerry Stackhouse. Murray actually had better handles and could finish at the rim. But that's who Stuckey is, he wants/needs a high volume of shots, and he wants to get his own, making him a good to average first guard off the bench. Playing him with starters just ends up undermining their ability to contribute. Let him steal shots from the 2nd unit guys, not the starters.
I mean, yeah. On most good teams Stuckey would either be a starting, slashing SG (Stackhouse) or a combo guard off the bench (Murray), but definitely not a starting PG.
and I actually don't wish him success on this team due to his poor attitude and incidents of insubordination, but I would bet hefty sums that we won't move him. I just don't support making him a SG when Hamilton and Gordon are still on the roster, and they're even more difficult to move. Moving him to the bench would make Will Bynum our starting PG, and that's not conducive to making playoff runs, either.

If he's likely going to stay on the team, as a starter, and as a PG, and with a pay raise that demands increased productivity and usage, we need to make the best of the situation. A change in the offense and play calling will go a long way in reshaping his role into a truer PG, i.e. if we make it CLEAR that Hamilton and Gordon are our primary options, Stuckey will either feed them and we will succeed, or we won't and we genuinely can pin most of the blame on Rodney.

that's a load of shit. Everybody on the fucking team is a scorer basically, so I strongly doubt he was being asked to do that. Why do you think he was getting benched this season? It wasn't just attitude, and people who watched McGrady start know exactly why he got that.


I'm not buying that bullshit about his team playing selfishly either. Ben Gordon hardly ever shoots and the other guys get horrible looks but shoot them anyways.They're shooters though, it's what they're supposed to do. The really funny thing is that even with them not getting spoon fed a god damned thing Tay and Rip were still better options than your boy Stuck.

What I see is a bunch of people blaming everyone but Stuckey even though he's been the only consistent thing. He's played under 3 coaches, and the Pistons sucked under 2 of them (and the first one had him in a reduced role). He's had a shitty backcourt, but every one of those guys has proven himself elsewhere. He's had inconsistent minutes but that's because the kid fucking sucks. It's time to call it as it is, Stuck is a 1 who is better off guarding 2s or 3s. He also is a one man backcourt who doesn't do shit for the other guards on the team. He shoots a low percentage and can't run an offense. His defense on 2s and 3s is his best skill, but considering he's a "1" that doesn't mean much.

McGrady is an example of somebody whose role can change from a dominant scorer to a playmaker. Stuckey may not have the basketball IQ that McGrady has, though. Then again, I never conceived as Tracy as a cerebral player before this season.
Gordon shoots about as often as Stuckey does. and, if it weren't clear, I'm all for Gordon getting many more shots. Also, and I don't understand how this couldn't have been clear, I'm all for Stuckey concentrating on moving the ball around (and getting his shots via mismatches and transition play) rather than jacking the ball.
Hamilton and Prince were absolute ball-stoppers within this offense. They may have been better individual scorers than Stuckey (which, statistically, doesn't hold up), but they certainly weren't superior in terms of creating for others.
Stuckey's not my boy. In fact, I wanted this thread to be more about Gordon/Hamilton and Villanueva/Monroe expanding their roles and Stuckey diminishing his.

So, wtf.

No, Stuckey looks for his shot way more than Gordon even has an opportunity to look for his.

He also looks for his shot more frequently than Tay, although they are supposed to be looking for their own shot. Rip sucked this year, but a lot of that falls on Stuck's shoulders as well. You could still argue that he was better though on account of having a three and not fucking up his team mates rhythms nearly as much.

Statistically, it holds up. Realistically Stuck is going to turn the ball over 2 or 3 times while charging to the rim. He's also going to go to the line a couple times by charging to the rim. that's an extra five possessions dedicated to him scoring a game and it has no impact on his shots per game tally. No other player on this squad has that going on. In all actuality Stuckey is the Pistons first option. When fan boys talk about him being a decent/good scorer they're skewering his stats by highlighting his point per shot, which glorifies his style of looking for a foul more than a basket but disregards his flaws entirely.

Yes. That's true. and I want Gordon to look for his shot more, and Stuckey to look for his less.

Tay was a ball-stopper and is ideally a 3rd/4th option. He was actually putting up more shot attempts per game than Stuckey. and Gordon. and Hamilton. The most shot attempts of his career, actually. This unselfish veteran should have understood the importance of getting better offense options involved, such as Hamilton/Gordon/Villanueva/Monroe, yet his assists average stayed the same and EVERYBODY else was marginalized on the scoring side of the ball. Let's not forget that this was a contract year for Tayshaun...
Watching Tayshaun play this year was dramatically different than how he played when we were a winning/playoff basketball team.

Rip didn't suck. Rip was underutilized and used improperly when in the game, and his response was to try to create shots for himself if the point guards and offense and coach weren't going to for him. He's not without blame for his poor response to the coaching and role change, but there are mitigating factors.
He's still a good player and still a borderline all-star.

Stuckey averages two turnovers a game. Not three. and I don't think 100% of those game from bullheadedly driving through the lane.
and frankly, I want him shooting as many FTs as possible if he's converting 87% of them. That's a 75% chance that he scores two points per fouled shot attempt. and I don't mind him drawing fouls against opposing point guards when we're in that respective golden age. Rondo, Rose, Jennings, Deron, Billups, Wall, etc. If you told me that we'd donate three possessions a game (i.e. the 6 FTA's Stuckey got) into getting them into foul trouble, I'd take it.

Yes, he is the first option. No, he shouldn't be. Yes, he needs to learn to finish better. He needs to learn to shoot better. He needs to look to his teammates and not his own shot until he can learn to finish and shoot better.

But we can keep arguing about Stuckey like he fucked your mother and taped it over your baby videos. It won't change the fact that our problems are NOT limited to Stuckey. The whole point of my thread is that we have gotten away from utilizing our best players and biggest investments. Gordon, #3 pick, second highest paid player. Hamilton, #7 pick, highest paid player. Villanueva, #7 pick, third highest paid player. Monroe, #7 pick who will undoubtedly make bank when it's time for an extension. It's not Stuckey's fault when all three of them had retardedly low minutes for the season. He doesn't call the plays and he doesn't determine the rotations. Which is why this whole thread was created under the premise that a new coach would be brought in who has a spine!

Imagine that.

That's pretty cogent.

Tay was a ball-stopper and is ideally a 3rd/4th option. He was actually putting up more shot attempts per game than Stuckey. and Gordon. and Hamilton. The most shot attempts of his career, actually. This unselfish veteran should have understood the importance of getting better offense options involved, such as Hamilton/Gordon/Villanueva/Monroe, yet his assists average stayed the same and EVERYBODY else was marginalized on the scoring side of the ball. Let's not forget that this was a contract year for Tayshaun...
Watching Tayshaun play this year was dramatically different than how he played when we were a winning/playoff basketball team.


So Tayshaun needs to be a distributor now? He was passive to the point of being annoying when the team was good, but he wasn't getting teammates good shots or anything. His style of play changed because he's now the best scorer on the team, and if he does pass there's no one to find a better shot. Rip isn't as good as he used to be and if he was he'd be coming off screens for a PG to pass to him, not Tay. The mere idea that you're attacking Tayshaun for the lack of production from those guys shows how fucking dumb you are about this shit.


Rip didn't suck. Rip was underutilized and used improperly when in the game, and his response was to try to create shots for himself if the point guards and offense and coach weren't going to for him. He's not without blame for his poor response to the coaching and role change, but there are mitigating factors.
He's still a good player and still a borderline all-star.

He was used improperly that's why he sucked. The best screwdriver sucks if you're using it as a hammer.I don't see how he could be a borderline all-star though. It certainly isn't going to change with a new coach. That's just crazy talk.

Stuckey averages two turnovers a game. Not three. and I don't think 100% of those game from bullheadedly driving through the lane.
Stuck averages 2.2 turnovers a game. Considering it's impossible to have .2 of a turnover in a game it becomes obvious that in some games the motherfucker is going to have 3. If you don't think a high as fuck percentage of those come from bulldozing the lane I'd suggest you shut the fuck up and watch some games, because that's almost the only time stuck holds a ball long enough to turn it over.

and frankly, I want him shooting as many FTs as possible if he's converting 87% of them. That's a 75% chance that he scores two points per fouled shot attempt. and I don't mind him drawing fouls against opposing point guards when we're in that respective golden age. Rondo, Rose, Jennings, Deron, Billups, Wall, etc. If you told me that we'd donate three possessions a game (i.e. the 6 FTA's Stuckey got) into getting them into foul trouble, I'd take it.
You think those fouls are all going on the points? there's another tell tale sign that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Doesn't matter though because you immediately contradict yourself.

Yes, he is the first option. No, he shouldn't be. Yes, he needs to learn to finish better. He needs to learn to shoot better. He needs to look to his teammates and not his own shot until he can learn to finish and shoot better.
I agree he needs to finish better, shoot better and find teammates better. That would make him an entirely different player though, so why are you stuck on stuck? The dude is way too flawed for me to want to watch him 'develop', and he legitimately seems retarded.


But we can keep arguing about Stuckey like he fucked your mother and taped it over your baby videos. It won't change the fact that our problems are NOT limited to Stuckey. The whole point of my thread is that we have gotten away from utilizing our best players and biggest investments. Gordon, #3 pick, second highest paid player. Hamilton, #7 pick, highest paid player. Villanueva, #7 pick, third highest paid player. Monroe, #7 pick who will undoubtedly make bank when it's time for an extension. It's not Stuckey's fault when all three of them had retardedly low minutes for the season. He doesn't call the plays and he doesn't determine the rotations. Which is why this whole thread was created under the premise that a new coach would be brought in who has a spine!


Hamilton and Gordon can't both have big minutes, that's a roster issue. It has nothing to do with the coach. CV doesn't play defense, so if he's not getting the ball he's useless too. You're talking as if there isn't a clusterfuck of SGs on the roster, and you're speaking as if it's just crazy that Kuester isn't feeding CV minutes. All of these people suck defensively, but they're good scorers. Put them next to Stuckey though, and the offense is shit too somehow. Figure that one out.


Imagine that.I have, and Stuckey still isn't a PG. CV still doesn't play defense. BG still doesn't get the ball enough. Rip is still old and you're still making excuses for it all.

a) No, he doesn't. Prince could have been a distributor, though, as he has the highest bball IQ on the team. The guy is certainly capable of playing point-forward, but has shown reluctance in the past. It'd be much easier if he had been willing, though, because we could have run lineups of Gordon/Hamilton/Prince (just like we should have gone with Gordon/Hamilton/McGrady). Which, again, is a main point of this thread that you seem to be missing. We have talent AND a glut at SG, but there are/were ways around it, both via play calling and rotation decisions. However, and sadly, both Prince and McGrady are going to be gone this year and we can't go with those sets.
I'm not attacking Prince. I watched him play many games, and he's never been more assertive on offense. Which should be a good thing as he's versatile as hell offensively, and always has been. But he also held onto the ball a lot and didn't contribute to an atmosphere of spreading the ball around and making the extra pass.

Understand that I don't have to be polarized and either praise or attack players. Stuckey's not by boy any less than Tayshaun is, and neither are wholly on my shit list.

b) Yes! Yes he was! and I'm talking about using him properly again! and all I intended to speak in regards to Stuckey was that I'm hoping a new coach and offense could hardwire him to use Hamilton properly! Clearly, you don't think so. I think it's within the realm of possibilities that Stuckey could dribble around the top of the key without turning the ball over in time for either Gordon or Hamilton to get open.
and I've already pointed out that his per36 stats last year were identical to his career stats. We're talking about one of the best conditioned athletes in the game with an ageless skill-set. If he were given minutes, he'd be the same old Rip. Life doesn't end at 33.

c) LOL. UMad.

d) What? Being able to draw fouls and covert at a high clip is an inherently good thing. You'd call the same thing "savvy" if you saw Kobe or Pierce doing it. and it's not true that today's game is dominated by point guards? What?

e) I'm only immediately concerned with him being able to find teammates better. I'm only talking about Rodney Stuckey because you are. I understand that there are 12-14 other players on the roster come opening day.

f) Yes, they can. Hamilton could play SF. Gordon could play PG. Point-forwards exist.

g) There isn't a better PG option on the roster anymore (talking about Prince and McGrady). I'm hoping we can make do with what we have.

You're funny.

Just because I'm fighting getting frustrated with koolaid's misplaced anger, I will remind you that I did NOT title this thread "Next year will be successful and it will be due to Rodney Stuckey playing exactly as he always has!"

You're very primitive in your assessment of Stuck. You ever see Kobe dribbling into a dudes chest, forcing a 4 on 1 "break" before his teammates can even make a play and then bitch about not getting a call because he telegraphed his drive? NO! Kobe isn't a goddamn retard. He draws fouls by getting around his man or catching them in the air, and he STILL puts himself in a position to score on that play. Stuck on the other hand has no fucking idea how to play basketball. You're comparing one of the smartest players in the league to one of the dumbest. Kobe doesn't get called crafty drawing fouls just for the fuck of it, he's a crafty motherfucker.


I'm mad? Yup, I'm mad all the time.

You started this thread saying this team could be successful next year placing faith in Stuck achieving something he's shown no ability or interest in doing, and then you spoke of Kuester as if he's the reason things suck. Such stupidity shouldn't be tolerated in a halfway intellectual free thinking society. The only reason I'm not destroying every single shitty idea you've shelled out (having tay be point forward, playing BG at point, ETC.) is because it's painful to feel forced to address such dumb shit.

LOL.

Funny that you insult my intelligence.

Funny that you insult my intelligence.

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I hope you're not talking about me.

Had to know the guy. Old poster. Lost in the fire.

Why is this place such a ghost town :-/

Glan ran everybody off.