anyone watching this bitch? it premiered tonight. im giving it a chance because amc is quality these days. breaking bad and mad men are awesome, while i found the walking dead kind of meh, and rubicon sort of muh (actually, gave up on that one a couple episodes in).

this one seems promising, though i liked it better when they called it twin peaks and had a sense of humor.

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Yeah, right? Haven't seen an episode yet but the description sounds just like Twin Peaks...

the first episode was strong. it is like twin peaks, in that the show starts with the girl already dead and there is no obvious killer.

it differs from twin peaks in that you get the sense that the writers already know who the killer is and that the show is actually about the murder.

but i suspect they wont be using any deductive techniques involving mind body coordination operating hand in hand with the deepest level of intuition to solve this one.

I will have to catch up to this one. I typically don't start watching a show in its first season, I wait until it gets renewed and by then I can usually watch them all commercial-free.

swammy,did you watch rubicon? i've read good stuff but i dont know anyone who watched it, and from what i saw from the show i didnt like it. since you like breaking bad and mad men, i'll trust your opinion.

Yeah, couldn't get into Rubicon. I don't like "mystery" shows. I burned out on them when Carnivale was on HBO. After a few weeks you begin to realize you've just wasted several hours watching a bunch of meaningless mumbo-jumbo that is never going to pay off. That's why I didn't like Lost, it kept hinting that it would reveal what everything meant and it never did. I think that kind of show is for suckers who keep tuning in every week just to be led on. Now, I don't put Twin Peaks into this category because I wasn't actually expecting anything to really be resolved in that show. I never expected anyone to find Laura Palmer's killer, because I was just along for the wacky David Lynch ride. I'm worried that The Killing is just going to rehash all that.

I like BB and MM because they are more focused on characters and plot. I'm interested in shows that are able to say something meaningful about people. BB is about manhood, and about how many men feel more valuable dead than alive, and how their basic biological drives manifest themselves when they are repressed for decades. MM is all about conscience and responsibility and how people with different moral senses interact with each other.

Yeah, couldn't get into Rubicon. I don't like "mystery" shows. I burned out on them when Carnivale was on HBO. After a few weeks you begin to realize you've just wasted several hours watching a bunch of meaningless mumbo-jumbo that is never going to pay off. That's why I didn't like Lost, it kept hinting that it would reveal what everything meant and it never did. I think that kind of show is for suckers who keep tuning in every week just to be led on. Now, I don't put Twin Peaks into this category because I wasn't actually expecting anything to really be resolved in that show. I never expected anyone to find Laura Palmer's killer, because I was just along for the wacky David Lynch ride. I'm worried that The Killing is just going to rehash all that.


It's called a cliffhanger, and it's an excellent literary device. I'm not a sucker, I tuned in every week for the excellent drama and character development. I think you're a sucker for your p.o.v. towards that in general, because you end up missing out on great entertainment. As for your second paragraph, BB and MM are great, too.

NERD FIGHT!

It's called a cliffhanger, and it's an excellent literary device. I'm not a sucker, I tuned in every week for the excellent drama and character development. I think you're a sucker for your p.o.v. towards that in general, because you end up missing out on great entertainment. As for your second paragraph, BB and MM are great, too.

I touched a nerve. Well, you know, that's just, like, my opinion man.

I can now smell a show that is going to give everyone blue balls. My homeboy was all like "You should watch FlashForward! You should catch up on Lost!" and I was like, "fuck no." I compare that to Mad Men and it's just not even close. People tune into Mad Men every week because they know the story is fantastic and the characters are great and they don't want to miss any of it. The previews sure as hell don't tell you anything. On the other hand, people might have tuned into Lost to see the story and the characters, but they might have also tuned in because they hated the story and the characters and the stupid goddamn island, but they had to know what the fuck the black smoke was. Did they ever reveal that?

well FlashForward actually sucks, though.

I suppose people could tune in just because they wanted to see what would happen next, but if they thought the general storylines and characters weren't enjoyable, then yes, in effect, they would be suckers. I agree.

The black smoke was basically magic, in a word. Did you actually expect them to scientifically explain it?

I felt completely ripped off after Lost ended. Actually made me extremely angry, I felt completely conned. They promised answers, they never gave them.

i more or less agree with swammy. i watched lost, but my approach was the same as his, and i got exactly what i was expecting. to be fair to its fans, the show from time to time had some very cool moments, but for the most part i didnt care much for the show and hated damn near every character.

the problem with a show like lost, and to a lesser extent twin peaks (agree with swammy again, that show brought so much other stuff you didnt need to care too much about the murder or those mysterious woods), is that when a macguffin overtakes the entire show, the writers arent doing a very good job.

a macguffin is a plot device that gets people to do things, but is largely irrelevant to the audience, such as the briefcase in pulp fiction. in short, if you spent too much time wondering what was in the briefcase, you missed the point of the movie.

with lost, the briefcase is the entire reason for the show. and they just kept making the briefcase bigger and stranger, but since it was just a macguffin there was no way for the writers to adequately explain everything. they actually attempted to answer everything, which is why i think people felt ripped off. of course the answers werent good enough, its just a fiction that they had created. there is no way to give an interesting answer to the black smoke thats killing people.

in regards to the killing, it maybe doesnt have alot to say, but i think its going to be a fun ride and based on the first episode a strong production. i dont anticipate it being great or something i'll end up buying, but still probably better than 99% of tv.

I can understand all that, but I guess I made the mistake of reading different interviews/discussions with the creators throughout the show. They repeatedly and consistently stated that they already had the entire story developed and everything would be answered in the end, everything would tie together. This was clearly untrue and that's what bothered me. I didn't want to get into the show because I feared that exactly what happened would happen, but when they assured me that wouldn't be the case but didn't follow through, I felt cheated.

Yeah, I find network TV (ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, etc.) pretty much unwatchable now. The networks ruin every single good idea that lands in their laps.

I remember the show Futurama making a joke about this - there were 3 robot network executives. One was programmed to periodically arrange the schedule by rolling dice, one was programmed to like things it had seen before, and one was programmed to underestimate the intelligence of the average viewer. I think that pretty much hits the nail on the head.

I loved LOST.

It ended the only way it could have.

I loved LOST.

It ended the only way it could have.

I agree. I don't understand what people were expecting at all. Answers to what the black smoke was? How the island shifts through time? How NotLocke is a transforming agent? How babies' mothers couldn't survive?

Really, all they could have done with any of that was some b.s. "scientific development" because the science for any of that today DOES NOT EXIST.

The writers clearly dropped religious hints throughout the show, so again, I can't understand why people are peeved by the religious (if you take it religiously instead of on a general afterlife basis) finale.

What did you people expect? What would have made you happy? Would anything?

Great, now we've lost vinny.

lul.

Only Glan can run people off.

Dr Ray, did you watch the show after it was over, or late in the process? I watched it as it came out, for the most part, and I guess a big part of my problem is that pretty much every blog, theory, fan-site, interview, etc came out with "Oh, are they just in purgatory?" pretty early in the process, season 2 or so and the creators just denied, denied, denied, said no, no, no, trust me, we've got something good for you. Then 5 years later it's just "hey, they were in purgatory." I guess they had no choice but to deny it but it's very frustrating as a viewer, you feel cheated, it was just the obvious answer that you knew it was all along but they lied to you enough that you became convinced it must be something else, and not in a good, fun, "tricky" way.

I began watching after season 3 was over. Caught up, proceeded to watch Seasons 1-5 a total of 3 times before Season 6 came out. Beginning of season 6 was disappoint.

Also, they weren't in purgatory on the island -- rather, the island wasn't purgatory. The side-universe as seen in Season 6 was the purgatory.

Yeah, Vinny. I've tried explaining that to you how many times?

episode 2 was kind of "muh". i have a feeling that the show is gonna blame society and not just one person. if thats the case, im checking out. i'll see where it goes next week, but if it continues down the path it looks like right now, im out.

ive kept going. this thing is about as dull as it gets. yeesh. huge miss by amc.

i love breaking bad and mad men, as far as im concerned everything else amc has made (the killing, rubicon, that zombie show) has been crap.

hopefully that means they keep breaking bad and mad men on for a very long time.

season 1 just ended. i wish i could give some spoilers but theres nothing to spoil. cant believe i wasted my time on this clunker.