Dems running away and hiding! lol So typical.

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Thought this was in the NCAA forum, nevermind.

King Arthur's court were notorious republicans...

Forgetting to get into the horse was still the best...nah, too many good parts.

Thought this was in the NCAA forum, nevermind.

It can be that. Its a flexible title.

Flexible or Flexable....I'm rollin with ... Flexible.

Dems RUNNING AWAY in Indiana also.

Here's the bill they are afraid to vote on. lol



Right to work. Makes it a Class A misdemeanor for an employer to require an individual to: (1) become or remain a member of a labor organization; (2) pay dues, fees, or other charges to a labor organization; or (3) pay to a charity or another third party an amount that represents dues, fees, or other charges required of members of a labor organization; as a condition of employment or continuation of employment. Establishes a separate private right of action for violations or threatened violations. Exempts individuals employed in the construction industry, employed by the United States, or subject to the federal Railway Labor Act.


http://indiana.onpolitix.com/legislation/2706/hb-1468-right-to-work

They're not afraid of voting on anything, and I think you know that. They are using any tactic at their disposal to prevent this bill from coming up for a vote. The Kochs have a 5-state plan in which collective bargaining rights would be gutted in the Midwest, and Wisconsin and Indiana are two of those states.

They are completely afraid to show up to vote. Otherwise, they wouldn't RUN AWAY!

This is funny.


http://www.fox6now.com/witi-direct-deposit-checks-senators-20110222,0,7489629.story

The hypocrisy on the left is amazing though. I mean the Repubs threatened a filibuster when in the minority and the Libs media outlets went crazy. Saying elections have consequences and now when the Dems RUN AWAY so Democracy can't work, they call them heroes.

More on the hypocrisy ... and then there's the way they described the mostly white crowds in Wisconsin vs the mostly white crowds of the Tea Party.

The Tea Party peeps are racists and the Wisconsin crowds 'show democracy at work'.

Pretty amazing.

This Kock thing that the left dreamed up and was put out on Puffington Post, Swami?, is cuz the left can't have it be the powerful unions versus the hardworking taxpayers of the country, so they had to come up with something (and what better than a Corporation) to go up against.

It really does come down to the Unions trying to get more money out of the paychecks of hardworking Americans.

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/02/25/the-wisconsin-lie-exposed-taxpayers-actually-contribute-nothing-to-public-employee-pensions/

Turns out they were hiding about 4 miles from my house lol.

^ Take a couple pit bulls over to see them.

Just watched Scott Walker on Meet the Press. There was one interesting bit where he was asked why there are exceptions for police and firefighters in his bill. In an accidentally moment of honesty his answer, "I'm afraid they might strike if I messed with them" revealed exactly what it is he respects. That's a clear reminder that the fundamentals of unions haven't changed--hang together or hang seperately.

It'll be interesting to see if there's enough solidarity left in unions for the ones that have leverage to defend the ones that don't. If the unions that got exceptions just say "fuck y'all I got mine" it's game over for all of them down the road.

Mitch Daniels, who ended public unions a few years back, says that state services are much better. He said he used to have to go through a month of decision makers just to move a copy machine 20 feet with the Unions. Now he can combine agencies, divide agencies and now services are provided much much quicker.

Mitch Daniels, who ended public unions a few years back, says that state services are much better. He said he used to have to go through a month of decision makers just to move a copy machine 20 feet with the Unions. Now he can combine agencies, divide agencies and now services are provided much much quicker.


Of course it's "much better" from a management perspective. There's hardly a boss alive who doesn't prefer a "my way or the highway" setup.

The results speak for themselves. They showed a graph the other day how blah blah blah services only take 9 mins now versus forgot what it was (more though) under Union control.

Slave owners preferred owning slaves as well.

Things were much more efficient.

Just sayin.

Excellent analogy there, bro.

The results speak for themselves. They showed a graph the other day how blah blah blah services only take 9 mins now versus forgot what it was (more though) under Union control.
How do you know that the efficiency improvements had anything to do with the lack of unions versus, say, technology advances?

For that matter, what happens when technology advances mean you can do the same thing with less workers?

Crew 2 never complained about not being in a union.

Not in English any way. amiright?

How do you know that the efficiency improvements had anything to do with the lack of unions versus, say, technology advances?

For that matter, what happens when technology advances mean you can do the same thing with less workers?

Daniels is a Repub so I know Dems won't believe him, but from what I remember him saying (and I think he was asked that question) was that there were no dramatic roll outs of technology that would have made the reduction in time it took to deliver services that they saw.

Also, isn't Indiana's budget in line now? And I don't think peeps need to worry about public sector workers that are not unionized. There are states that don't have them and guess what? ...the state still employs them. Don't worry. Don't fear change. Lean forward. :)

Crew 2 never complained about not being in a union.

Not in English any way. amiright?

There was one crew dude that was unionized and he would go back and forth.

But ftr, public works projects cost more cuz they're prevailing. The public pays prolly twice for prevailing. Same work; same timetable to get the work done, but at least twice the cost. Add unions on top of that and the work slows down and the pay goes up. Fuck public works.

There was one crew dude that was unionized and he would go back and forth.

But ftr, public works projects cost more cuz they're prevailing. The public pays prolly twice for prevailing. Same work; same timetable to get the work done, but at least twice the cost. Add unions on top of that and the work slows down and the pay goes up. Fuck public works.

Tbro in 3, 2, 1...

I'm surprised costs rise when you pay people a livable wage. I just assumed everyone moved their production facilities to third world countries because they like not being understood when they curse out the help.

Man, I'm being peppered with great posts in this thread. NOT!

^ sans mxy

Where's the love, Tahoe?

Wow these public employees act like lil bitches when asked to pay their own way.

Also, if I haven't made myself clear, fuck public unions.

^ sans mxy, gee.

Wow these public UNION employees act like lil bitches when asked to pay their own way, instead of saddling hard working peeps with their HC and retirement costs.

Also, if I haven't made myself clear, fuck public unions.

"One of the most elemental human rights is the right to belong to a free trade union." - Ronald Reagan, 1982

Ronald Reagan: closet socialist.

Tahoe sad.

Any of you's ever read what FDR said about collective bargaining?

And Ronald Reagan would prolly have a hernia from laughing so hard at how big these pussies Dems are that RAN AWAY!

Not sure, cuz I'm not in Wisconsin, but some peeps are saying that one of the runaway kids just came home.

It'll be a shitstorm if he did.

A public union employee, a tea party activist and a CEO are sitting at a table with a plate of a dozen cookies in the middle of it. The CEO takes 11 of the cookies, turns to the tea partier and says, “Watch out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRcmeA1k-ik

A public union employee, a tea party activist and a CEO are sitting at a table with a plate of a dozen cookies in the middle of it. The CEO takes 11 of the cookies, turns to the tea partier and says, “Watch out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie.”

I LOL'd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRcmeA1k-ik

I think that was in Sacramento.

O'Reilly is about 1 palm tree short of an oasis.

Great video for you peeps who don't understand whats going on. j/k

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/03/04/new-video-collective-bargaining-101/

HAHAHAHAHA. What a nice, neutral video. Vomit.

Its completely objective and true, imo. And the background music was great.

One protester (or is it protestor???) just said "stop dividing us Gov Walker"

Well it looks like he just did. He brought the public sector workers into the world of a private sector worker. We're all united now. Pay your own HC and pensions the way we do.

So the GOP whines that they need to get rid of the unions because the budget needs it and then they turn around and pass it separate saying it doesn't effect the budget. And Tahoe is calling Democrats hypocrites?

So the GOP whines that they need to get rid of the unions because the budget needs it and then they turn around and pass it separate saying it doesn't effect the budget. And Tahoe is calling Democrats hypocrites?

You just have a fundamental misunderstanding of Wisconsin law. Go check it out and try again later.

So the GOP whines that they need to get rid of the unions because the budget needs it and then they turn around and pass it separate saying it doesn't effect the budget. And Tahoe is calling Democrats hypocrites?

And I'd appreciate it if you clear that up too. I didn't just call them hypocrites. There's plenty more.

This will be interesting/fun to watch all the recall votes. Who knows where all this shit will end up and it will be fun.

This will be interesting/fun to watch all the recall votes. Who knows where all this shit will end up and it will be fun.

Agreed.

Mxy + Tahoe = agreement in the poli forum?

????????????

HEEL TURN~!

MXY IS THE SECOND MAN!! [/HEENAN]

It will boring and not fun to watch all the recall votes. I know where it will all end up and its going to be boring.

It will boring and not fun to watch all the recall votes. I know where it will all end up and its going to be boring.

Again, I agree.

And then DrRay, the some of these public employess can retire and start drawing on their pensions at 41 years old. So the taxpayers will be paying them for a long, long time.

And don't forget the way they base the pensions, in some cases, on the last year they were employed pay. They save up their vacay, sick and any overtime pay and take it all the last year and inflate their final years pay by 2 times. Some of them I've poster here was even more.

So then they take 75% of their final years pay (that they've inflated by 2 times) and walk getting hard working middle income peeps to pay their way the rest of their life. Plus they get HC in a lot of cases totally paid for by the taxpayer.

Its ridiculous.

Most of the pensions I've seen are based on either the base pay or an average of the last 3-5 years of total pay, so vacation/sick/OT will have less of an effect on things. Often, the gaming of the system involves jacking up the base pay because they're going to retire, or as an incentive plan to retire (pay them a little more now to get them out the door, retirement pay is someone else's problem). Folks in such positions save vacation/sick/OT days for when their base pay will be at its highest, because the payout for those is relative to the base pay at the time. One big difference is that, in the private sector, vacation is seen as a liability on the books. There's often caps on maximum vacation and such so people don't accumulate forever. In the public sector, unpaid-out vacation isn't a hit on the corporate bottom line, and some high-stress public positions will fight tooth and nail about not letting you accumulate off time over years. In some cases, the public sector job expertise is in scarce enough supply where folks can only take vacations at set times, so forcing them into "use it or lose it" means screwing yourself when you really need them.

It will boring and not fun to watch all the recall votes. I know where it will all end up and its going to be boring.

The media agrees with you. Obama had an "open questions" news conference in the wake of Japan, and not one question about Wisconsin.

I heard the presser on the radio and was thinking if lies were worth a dollar, he could bail us out of our National debt.

You should run for congress then shout that at a state of the union.

^ That dude shouldn't have appologized. I know it was disrepectful to the office of the Presidency, but Odumba disrepects it every day anyway...whats the big deal if someone else does?

I heard on the radio today that the Wisc kids in Milwaukee have to stay an extra 20 mins a day for the rest of the year to make up for time lost. lol. Not sure if its true though. Also heard that the teachers that turned in the fake sick notes might be in a lil trouble.

Senator's girlfriend had help getting job (http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/118341669.html)

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/in-michigan-conservative-think-tank-seeks-labor-prof-emails.php?ref=fpblg

The left is seriously unhinged. They are such low lifes. And all because they want to steal from the taxpayers.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/263367/bench-brawl-wisconsin-editors

Lol@ The National Review.

lol

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5093/5592956454_5600a97885.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/althouse/5592956454/)

Here is a vid of you socialists. Stay classy socialist unions.

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Anybody with a video camera, a couple of party subs from Subway and a few bucks can give homeless and mentally unstable people some very nicely made signs (lol) and some basic direction to make a video.

That's in Oregon, not Wisconsin. What is this, www.WtfFoxNews.com ??

Portland to be exact. I wanted to make sure you still read my posts.

It was at a Tea Party rally in Portland. There was an African American at the Tea Party rally and the thugs weren't exactly nice to him.

The UnAmerican peeps tried to drown out Palin in Wisconsin yesterday. It was an epic #fail, btw.

It is really hypocritical of the left though, when they made the Tea Party out as racists, or tried to, and you see the counter rallies spewing their digusting vile.