http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2011/mockdraft

Took me eight times to get Kyrie Irving.

5 tries for me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/GlennDanzig/lotto.jpg

I got him first try but we took him at number 3...

Kyrie a lazer

need you so...

Wait, I think I just merged the only 2 Mr. Mister songs ever.

I'd rather make the playoffs and take Harrison Barnes after he slides out of the lottery.

I'd rather make the playoffs and take Harrison Barnes after he slides out of the lottery.

Go fuck yourself.

ALREADY DID TWICE.

but srsly, only two games out.
and even though Barnes is sucking mega dick he's the only realistic target I'm looking at.

i don't feel like watching this team get lambasted in the first round.

The sooner it's over, the better.

Fuck making up the numbers in the playoffs.

Tank the rest of the season and go for the best possible pick....

And let me state for the record you only tank if you have to. If we were a legit team with a bright future I'd want us to win as much as possible.

But we're not - we're a clusterfuck.

So go for the pick - maybe we could trade it and Rip for something good?

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GTFO

lul.

Hey, so does Zekyl!

that 7th spot is ours again, lets hope we can get another guy like Monroe, than we will be fine

I'm going to try to remember to play the lotter machine every day and post the results here.

Today: Pistons get #7 Valanciunas (kings get Irving at #1)

Jonas x2?

Today: Pistons get #7 Valanciunas (kings get Irving at #1)

Today's the same, except Perry Jones goes #1 to the Cavs.

Sounds like the top 3 are in a lot of flux. There isn't a Lebron or Wall that everyone knows will go #1.

I still like the look of Sullinger for the Pistons, if we can get up there.

:nh:

Yeah, I saw him play a couple weeks ago on national TV and he looked impressive. I lot like Kevin Love. Not going to wow you with athleticism but will work his butt off down there.

It would be nice if we could do a Stuckey/our pick for Rubio/Minny pick deal (add other pieces as needed). Then we'd be in the top 3 in terms of lotto balls and have a true PG. It may entice them because in theory our pick would get better for them as we'd be losing Stuckey and gaining nothing that helps us win this year.

Maybe just a Stuckey for Rubio swap would be fine on that note as we could drop further in the standings anyway (especially if we did a Tay for Butler/picks swap).

Stuckey leaving would probably help us in the standings.

(Sorry, [smilie=beat_deadho:)

The Sonics were interested in Stuckey back in 2007.
Think OKC would want him now?

Sonics probably only had interest because he was a local kid.

Are you coming around to trading him, los?

I am if he's going to play exclusively at SG and we have the unmovable Ben Gordon on the roster.

Yeah, I definitely don't want to resign Stuckey and be stuck with another big contract for a so-so player.

Today on the lottery machine, we got Perry Jones at #3!

(Irving #1 to Kings)

i think i might actually take fredette over irving to be the point guard. his shot is undeniable.

second round i'd take keith benson. might be bias with him being a local guy but it seems like he's got solid help defense, a decent post offense and just needs to get stronger. he reminds me a bit of deandre jordan and I really can't think of a better guy to have next to Monroe.

Yeah, take a 2 guard and make him into a point.

lul

Today:

We get Perry Jones at #2!

Irving went #1 to Sacto.

TODAY IS THE DAY OF ENES KANTER

Today:

We get Perry Jones at #2!

Irving went #1 to Sacto.

I think I'd take Sullinger over Jones (note I have not seen Jones play, but Sullinger is a load down low and reminds me of Boozer). I also admit I have seen nothing of Kanter either.

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/group/1

How will trades effect our lottery status?

So far, Nets/Sota get better (YAY!), Bobcats get worse (BOO!).

Let's just hope that the teams around us don't dump good players.

I think there's, like, two good players total on both teams.

Lottery machine:

Pistons get Enes Kanter at #7

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1111/insider_u_kanter_b1_480.jpg


Scouts think Kanter is the best true big man in the draft.

I bet Pharaoh would love him, for obvious reasons.

Fitting, since the franchise has been given a big time Tombstone Piledriver, amiright?!?!

it took me forever to get Irving at 2, Jones goes first to Wiz

GD, WWE is so 2000

It's all about the UFC now!

Get with it people

I would be thrilled to land Enes Kanter.

I'd like Kanter as well but only if he can defend well. Monroe is a great young player but his D, especially help-side is nothing to write home about. Another weak or average defender in the middle might be an issue. We really need a shoe blocker/defensive force in the middle. Kanter was spoken of in one analysis as "more like an aggressive Greg Monroe" Do you think that would be a good fit?

No, I agree with you McN. I'd like an athletic shotblocker who can score a bit, but those are tough to find. Even a freak like Perry Jones can't guard the tin.

So when can Perry Jones start working out for NBA teams?

Cant have nights better than this. Clips, Milwaukee, and New Jersy all won.

If the draft were today we'd be the 7th pick.
That gets us Kemba Walker according to draft express, nbadraft.net has us passing on Perry Jones for Donatas Motiejunas.

If we wound up with Perry Jones I would jizz in my pants.

p.s. I'd want him to play PF, not SF.

If Tay and McGrady are out, then we're left with pretty much just Daye at SF. I still can't decide which position Jerebko is better suited for.

Stuckey 25/Bynum 28
Gordon 28/Hamilton 33/White 21
Daye 23/Jerebko 24
Villanueva 26/Jones 20/Maxiell 28
Monroe 21/Wallace 36

We still look to trade Hamilton, of course, but aside from him and a soon-to-retire Wallace, the oldest player on the roster to start the 11-12 season is Will Bynum!

New Jersey has Humphries and and Brandan Wright to work with at the PF position.
Toronto has Amir/Ed Davis/Bargnani. What they need is a true C, not a PF.
Washington has Blatche and the albatross of Rashard Lewis at PF. Trevor Booker's also a PF and has been getting some run lately.
Minnesota has Kevin Love. Beasley plays about a quarter of his minutes at PF, too. They just traded for Anthony Randolph, as well (who Jones is compared to).
Sacramento has Jason Thompson. They also need to work in Hassan Whiteside at some point...
Cleveland needs a PF. But they also have the first pick. Is Jones worth the first pick?

Which of them would take Jones??? It seems like every team in our suckiness range has a PF prospect or two already.

Okay the question here would be our draft board. Assuming Prince, Tmac, Summers, And Wilcox are gone and we keep Jonas and match on Stuckey (whether its a good move or not), how does our draft board look? How will you feel if we draft Walker or Irving when we still have Stuckey, Bynum, Gordon, and Rip? What about a SF when we have Daye and Jonas? Who is the best complement to Monroe?

Personally I hate to say it, but I like Irving a ton, and he worth drafting even withthose guys present IMO. Irving, Kanter, and Perry Jones top my draft board.

Okay the question here would be our draft board. Assuming Prince, Tmac, Summers, And Wilcox are gone and we keep Jonas and match on Stuckey (whether its a good move or not), how does our draft board look? How will you feel if we draft Walker or Irving when we still have Stuckey, Bynum, Gordon, and Rip? What about a SF when we have Daye and Jonas? Who is the best complement to Monroe?

Personally I hate to say it, but I like Irving a ton, and he worth drafting even withthose guys present IMO. Irving, Kanter, and Perry Jones top my draft board.

I love Irving, he's #1 for me for sure, but Kanter seems a bit redundent with Monroe. Sullinger over him IMO, but in either case our D is a bit suspect.

See that's the problem... none of these rooks will help our biggest need... interior defense.
Trade the pick.

What about Henson? He's slight, but he's a shotblocker.

Frankly, I am getting tired of potential guys. I say get guys that have potential but are already performing at an admirable level. Many of the stars we are seeing now are guys who played at an elite level in college. Just off the top of my head, it seems like the players who dominated in college seem to be doing well lately. BTW I think a C who can at least shoot decent FT's is needed.

So you don't want Perry Jones or Kanter and do want Sullinger?

Perry jones and kanter have played well in college for their minutes imo. I also agree that Sullinger obviously was a great player and he may in fact be a great NBA player. I am just not sure about his game against the stronger PFs he will see in the NBA. I remember feeling that same way about Corliss at Arkansas and was clearly wrong on that. I think All three are decent picks in this draft but I like the other two as visions of what I want our team to look like when we are good. We have a decent low post player and I don't see another dominant dimension to Sullinger's game.

kanter have played well in college .

If you could hook me up with Kanter's college stats that would be awesome. Jones I've seen since he actaully is eligible to play for his team.

Ha! Typed too fast. Meant just Jones.

Btw Kanter has never missed a shot in college. He is that good.

Honestly I've only seen Jones play once on TV. He looked pretty decent though.

I've watched 5 times and he reminds me of watching Favors last year. You don't notice a thing about him until he freaks out and makes some kind of move a SG would struggle with. I know he's a freshman, but he needs to be assertive for the good of the team.

I have been trying to sort out my feelings on Kemba Walker for awhile in relation to our draft board. I like him as a player and have seen him many times, but I don't have that same feeling like Irving that he is worth taking regardless of who is on our roster.

Yeah, he's a good player/great scorer but not a complete point and his size is all wrong.

A lot of it will depend on what position we plan on using Greg at. Shotblocking Cs who are good at post D, and can drain the short range J don't grow on trees. I am fine with BPA as long as its someone who plays in the frontcourt. I guess thats what it boils down to, Irving or a frontcourt player.

I have been trying to sort out my feelings on Kemba Walker for awhile in relation to our draft board. I like him as a player and have seen him many times, but I don't have that same feeling like Irving that he is worth taking regardless of who is on our roster.

Kemba Walker you say?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKbLHkDvhk8

Perry jones and kanter have played well in college for their minutes imo. I also agree that Sullinger obviously was a great player and he may in fact be a great NBA player. I am just not sure about his game against the stronger PFs he will see in the NBA. I remember feeling that same way about Corliss at Arkansas and was clearly wrong on that. I think All three are decent picks in this draft but I like the other two as visions of what I want our team to look like when we are good. We have a decent low post player and I don't see another dominant dimension to Sullinger's game.

Corliss was 6'6" which is very undersized for the post. Sullinger is 6'9" which is tall enough for PF. He's getting compared to Kevin Love a lot. I admit I didn't think Love would be that good in the NBA.

Of course, one of the greatest post players ever was 6'4" Adrian Dantley...

Of course, one of the greatest scorers ever was 6'4" Adrian Dantley...

Fixed.

As George Blaha would say, " Don't look now, but the Nets are now only trailing by one". Pick #6 may be attainable. Not sure what it does to our odds, but I am sure it helps.

Gives us a 1/5 chance at a lottery pick of some sorts.

That Nets pick belongs to Utah, so they'd be happy to win.

GOOOOOO NETS!!

Still only have the 7th worst record...

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We're now 6th in the loss column, with lots of room to improve.

I really doubt we can catch the TWolves or Cavs, but with some luck, we might be able to get to #3, which gives us a realistic shot at the #1 or #2 pick.

Toronto, Sacramento and Washington are terrible and they are 4-6 games ahead, i really doubt we will do any better than the 6th spot we are in right now

yeah, we're running out of time. Just grabbing the #6 was a coup in itself.

You're probably right. There's what, 15 games left? We're 2-8 in our last 10, if we win at a 20% clip the rest of the way, we'll go 3-12. Can one or two of those teams go 7-8 or so? It would be nice.

There is NO way we get finish and lower than #6. Whats more impressive is how good the nets have been since their trade. One player sure made a big difference.

He didn't even play 2 or 3 of the 5 wins either.

Really? Addition by subtraction?

His wife had a baby and he missed at least 2 games I think. Kris Humphries has played really well since starting over Favors. Morrow has been healthy too so that helps.

Good enough to be better than us apparently.

There is NO way we get finish and lower than #6.

I'm not one to take the contrarian position, but losing to Toronto tomorrow is a 2 game swing.

Impossible is nothing.

Who's going #1? Sullinger or Kyrie? Somebody else?

Really a year when it depends on the team. Wiz won't take Irving.

the Wiz are probably the only team who wouldnt take Irving at 1, then again there is no clear no.1 in this years draft, i would explode if we could get our hands on him somehow

Raptors about to get a win. Let's go Knicks.

Nets up at the half, too.

I hope we lose out.

I hope we lose out.

I honestly agree.

I think beating NY would be funny as hell tonight though.

ONLY 5 GAMES OUT OF 8TH PLACE NOW.
THIS WIN WAS A GOOD THING.

Nets are losing again, against Wizards without Deron... 7th draft spot it is, the way we are playing right now against Atlanta we can drop even further, April win streak is coming for sure

Really warming to the idea of Enes Kanter...

LOLOTTOLOL

Pistons (unfortunately) playing with renewed dedication as season winds down (http://blog.mlive.com/ottoman-empire/2011/03/pistons_unfortunately_playing_with_renewed_dedicat ion_as_season_winds_down.html)

Sullinger says he's staying in school, lol.

We'll see. If he does, maybe we can get him at #1oa next year.

Pistons win, Nets lose = 6th lottery spot almost gone, 7th it is

HUGE game tonight and the Nets are holding Deron out. Bastards!

Anyone know what happens to the lotto balls if we tie the clips?

Flip of the coin for who gets the 7th spot odds.

we lost that coin flip against Philly last year, they got 6th, we got 7th going into the lottery and they moved up to the 2nd spot

shouldn't even be an issue, so stupid

we lost that coin flip against Philly last year, they got 6th, we got 7th going into the lottery and they moved up to the 2nd spot

I'm not gonna lie to you. I think we would have taken Turner. Just to say we had that many SG's on the roster. If there is an NBA record for number of SG's on a roster, we could have had it.

And 7 it is... In what will likely be the shittiest draft in years.

First try in several weeks.

Pistons get #1 pick and take Kyrie.

4.3% chance to get that toppick...kinda lame, i am all for equal chances to get into the top 3 for the draft, that would kill any tanking issues

http://bcove.me/e3tn2hor

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2011/04/is_it_time_for_detroit_pistons.html

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bismack-Biyombo-5902/

this kid is amazing, the draft is soo weak, i would take the risk if we stay at 7

Sounds like Theo Ratliff.

Obviously we would have to win the lotto, but what are your guys thoughts on Derrick Williams if we are lucky to get #2? I wouldtake him to complement Monroe. I am not sure if he would play the 3 or 4 for us, but it's not like we have an allstar at either spot though. It looks like he and Irving have the most superstar potential in this draft.

Harrison Barnes not entering draft.

#3's a bad spot to be in this draft. It's Irving and Williams, and then a big drop off. I'd rather stay at #7 than be #3. You get the same player at a cheaper price.

If Biyombo is 18 (or younger???), I'd GLADLY take him at 7.
If Kanter's available, that's an even bigger steal. I think the kid would have gone top 3 had be been able to play this season, perhaps even with the more talented players in the draft (Sullinger, Barnes, etc.)

the draft gets weaker and weaker, no Sullinger, no Barnes damn...if we cant get Irving, Biyombo or a guy who really can help us, i would still offer that pick with RIP, or Charlie+Max to Cleveland for their trade exception

G's RT of Fraschilla got me to check out his page. He sees some similarities between Biyombo and IBAKA!!

Walker and Biyombo going top 6 right now at draftexpress mock, seriously this draft is weak as shit, you could get a decent player later, trade down or trade this pick for cap relief if we cant get a decent prospect at 7

Joe D is apparently "scouting" in Slovenia.

Maybe he's actually house shopping.

Where's Tony Ronzone when you need him?

He's living off the salary Darko has been paying him to pump up his draft stock.

I'll tell you what, if Joe drafts a SG, at all, I'm going to chop his head off myself. Not a pure SG. Not a SG to be converted to a PG. Not a SG that can play SF in stretches. NO shooting guards.

Can haz Biyombo?

I want to know his vert/standing reach/how many reps he can do, but this guy certainly has an ELITE wingspan.
Let's take a look at current roster players with similar wingspans (31 of them, ranging from 7'7" to 7'4"), and their draft positions:
1-Shaq (7'7")
33-Whiteside
4-Eddy Curry
8-Diop
20-Haywood
2-Thabeet
19-McGee
35-DeAndre Jordan
32-Pittman
5-Cousins
15-Sanders
10-Brook Lopez
1-Brand
2-Darko
50-Alabi
2-Durant
2-Aldridge
11-Aldrich
1-Dwight
7-Nene
18-Jason Collins
6-Udoh
1-Oden
5-Shelden Williams
18-David West
33-Solomon Jones
12-Hilton Armstrong
2-Okafor
3-Favors
26-Taj Gibson
8-Brandan Wright (7'4")

16 were taken in the top 7. 21 were lottery picks. 25 were first round picks.
Yes, this is a weak draft. but on the physical tools alone, #7 is not a bad place to select such a player as Biyombo. He'd likely be a lottery pick in any draft.

While I realize that he could be an offensive liability, realize that the majority of teams in the players currently (i.e. their last playoff game) don't start an offensive threat at the 5!
ATL-Jason Collins 2.0
ORL-Howard 22.9
BOS-Jermaine O'Neal 5.4
NYK-Turiaf 4.2
MIA-Ilgauskas 5.0/Anthony/Dampier
PHI-Hawes 7.2
CHI-Noah 11.7
IND-Hibbert 12.7
OKC-Perkins, about 6ppg
DEN-Nene 14.5
SAN-McDyess 5.3
MEM-Gasol 11.7
LAL-Bynum 11.3
NOH-Okafor 10.3
POR-Camby 4.7
DAL-Chandler 10.1

8 out of 16 teams start a center that doesn't average double figures.
Of the teams that are leading their series, ALL start a big that averages at least a block a game. Horford-1.0, JO-1.2, Bosh-1.5, Noah-2.2, Perkins-0.9 (but his backup, Ibaka leads the league in blocked shots), Chandler-1.1, Gasol-1.7, and the tied teams LAL/NOH have Bynum-2.0 and Okafor 1.8.

i.e most of the time, players with the physical tools that Biyombo possesses are drafted about where we're picking. Most of the time, having an offensively challenged/5th option big man can still get you into the playoffs. Most of the time, to win (or at least lead in) a series you need a big that can anchor the paint and block shots.

We need him, and he'd be perfect to pair with Monroe. In a league that is guard-dominated (this is the fucking golden age of PGs, after all), an athletic, weak-side, defensive anchor is a must have.

I know little about Biyombo but your post seems to be more of an indictment (Whiteside, Curry, Diop, Armstrong, Wright, Williams, Sanders, Oden, Jones, Alabi, Thabeet, Pittman, Darko, Aldrich, Collins, Okafor, Udoh) of taking players based on their wingspan.

Only Shaq and Howard (athletic freaks) and Aldridge (elite shooter for a big man) are great evidence plus West, Brand and Nene seem like potential foundational pieces. (can't figure out how to make that last part a good sentence, let it be I've earned it...).

My intention was more to illustrate that players with such wingspans are generally capable of playing entire games at C. In the various drafts I made of that post, I somehow deleted that :-/
The only two listed who would be horribly out of place at the 5 would be Durant and Wright. I expect Biyombo to have a better vertical leap than the average big (most young "athletic" bigs average around 26-27 for their no-step verts, Dwight and Oden being exceptions), which should compensate for the two inches he gives up. Even if his body is shittily constructed so that his wingspan doesn't translate to having a high standing reach, he should be ok at the 5 anyway.

The point being that there is definitely room for a guy with the likely size to play the 5 and the athleticism of a 3 or 4, next to PF/C Greg Monroe.

If they draft him, here's to hoping Ben comes back for the last year of his contract and acts as a role model both defensively and with his work ethic.

I'd love that. Ben deserves to go out on a winning team (which, I expect, could happen with a coaching change).

If our four primary bigs were Monroe, Biyombo, Jerebko, and Villanueva, we'd have all of our bases covered.
We can enjoy great rebounders in Monroe and Biyombo, both capable of pulling down around 10 a night, and another who pulled down 6 a game as a rookie in Jonas. If he's beefed up as reports have said, he should be able to box out more strongly.
Three players that can operate out of the high post are Monroe, Jerebko, and Villanueva. Both Monroe and Villanueva are playmakers as far as bigs go, and the offense can be straight up ran through Monroe (also from the low post).
Two guys that can stretch the court out to the three point line in Villanueva and Jerebko. Monroe's mid-range jumper isn't shabby, either.
Garbage plays would be covered in Monroe, Jerebko, and Biyombo. All three of them could be successful without having a single play fan for them.
We'd have two players that can take fools off the dribble in Charlie and Jonas.

It'd just be a matter of finding combinations that worked best and matching up properly, but that frontcourt could be epic. If Maxiell and Wallace are our depth bigs, we'd be in great shape. I'd wager that our frontcourt could be in the top half of the league as quickly as next year.

Blech, if we get Valenciunas, are they going to call him and Jerebko the Jonas Brothers?

If we stay at 7 or move down to 8-10 and Kanter/Biyombo are gone, I'm trading Rip and the pick.

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2011/05/greg_monroe_to_represent_detro.html

It'd be funny as hell if there were a draft-day trade involving Monroe.

It'd be funny as hell if there were a draft-day trade involving Monroe.

Big Greg is getting shot to the moon!

Sorry Stuck, you've been replaced.

Lottery is Tuesday.

@chadfordinsider: Here's a video of the Enes Kanter workout. Full story coming on Monday. http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6540086

4.3% for Irving, i am kinda excited for tomorrow, knowing we probably end up with 7 or worse anyway

Gores will look at the lottery balls as they drop, and head-tilt them into our favor.

Gores will look at the lottery balls as they drop, and head-tilt them into our favor.

dis

Kanter getting a lot of love right now. Seeing that he'll go top 5 for sure, maybe top 3 and possibly even in the mix at #1.

Tomorrow night means a lot, ladies.

I'm kinda hoping "we " get Biyombo at the very least.

You know how much of a mark I am for Ibaka.

I-BLOCKA

cun't weight for tonight

Why the fuck is this not until 8:30. fucking stupid...

and don't tell me about people who "work" in the West. no one gives a shit

Got a feelin' this is going to be a waste of time.

Real excited, you guys.

This could actually give us something to look forward to and talk about. Something positive!

HOLY CAVS, TWO TOP 3 PICKS?

Nope two in top 4.

shitty

fucking Cleveland... why

Mini Gilbert is scary.

We still suck (sigh)

what a cruel joke, the Cavs got the toppick with 2.3% chance or sth like that, 8th pick suckz, i am dissapointed, i want Biyombo now or nothing

HOLY CAVS, TWO TOP 3 PICKS?
I guess if a division foe has to get two top four picks and we have to move down a slot, it may as well happen in the weakest draft in a decade.

Chad Ford says the TWolves are already shopping the #2 pick for "veteran help".

what a cruel joke, the Cavs got the toppick with 2.3% chance or sth like that, 8th pick suckz, i am dissapointed, i want Biyombo now or nothing
Currently residing in this camp.

Ben Wallace, straight up

Chad Ford says the TWolves are already shopping the #2 pick for "veteran help".

Too bad we have no help to offer.

I'm in that 'Damn it' camp.

Too bad we have no help to offer.


What about Tay and Rip? What am I missing?

We don't really have Tay, just his Bird rights. Unless the new CBA changes things radically, that only matters if someone wants to sign him for over the MLE as part of a trade.

David Kahn is such a fuckup.

Just read some quotes where he basically claims that this was rigged for the Cavs. Okay for fanboys like us to joke about, but Stern's going to burn his a$$.

We don't really have Tay, just his Bird rights. Unless the new CBA changes things radically, that only matters if someone wants to sign him for over the MLE as part of a trade.

Which will happen. Most likely the first part of an upcoming week.

Now there is no question to me. I offer Stuckey and Jerebko or really any combo of guys outside of Monroe to Minnesota for that number two. This is a two man draft, but there are possibilities. If you get Williams to pair with Monroe, and add a center or distributing pg to Rip and BG, that is a good you g nucleus with potential. It will take Jerebko imo though but its worth it. His stock remains hih right now and I still don't think he is a star caliber player.

David Kahn is such a fuckup.

Just read some quotes where he basically claims that this was rigged for the Cavs. Okay for fanboys like us to joke about, but Stern's going to burn his a$$.


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Thank you.

mock draft
http://www.rotoworld.com/slide/nba/146/NBA-Draft-4.0


8. Pistons – Alec Burks SG Colorado

Burks is a true shooting guard and with the future of Rip Hamilton up in the air, as well as the constant struggles of Ben Gordon, getting a shooting guard (or small forward) makes sense for Detroit. Burks might be a reach at No. 8, but the Pistons could easily roll the dice on him.

i lol'ed

I cried.

Rotoworld original content = lol.

This ain't your Dad-guy's Rotoworld.

What does everybody's draft board look like?
The last thing we need are SGs and PFs, obviously. We won't even find ourselves in a situation that has a can't miss SG/PF prospect falling to #8, as Perry Jones and Jared Sullinger aren't in this draft. Joe has only taken one can't miss player (Monroe) the rest were largely slight reaches, anyway.

Here's mine, along with their DraftExpress "best-case" comparisons:
1. SF Derrick Williams-Michael Beasley
2. C Enes Kanter-Kevin Love
3. PG Kyrie Irving-Deron Williams
4. C Bismack Biyombo-Ben Wallace
5. PG Brandon Knight-Chauncey Billups
6. PG Kemba Walker-Ty Lawson
7. SF Kawhi Leonard-Shawn Marion (although I see some Ron Artest in him).
8. SF Jan Vesely-Andrei Kirilenko

Then I guess Motiejunas and Valanciunus are on my radar, but bleh.

Believe it or not, I think SF is a bigger need than PG, what with Tay and McGrady leaving and Daye not tangibly improving from his rookie to sophomore seasons. Williams reminds me of Michael Beasley, whereas Irving makes me think of various backups (albeit good ones, like Eric Maynor/Bledsoe).

Trade our pick for a pick next year. This is a disaster.

I'm going to predict here and now that we'll draft one of those Morris twins.

I think I'd be okay with that.

Not that I know anything about either of them.

Who wants to bang Biyombo?

I'm actually looking forward to the second round more than our 8th pick.

I want to come out of this draft with a PG/SF/C, as our true depth chart- as determined by the positions the majority of teams would slot our guys to-is:
Bynum
Stuckey/Gordon/Hamilton/White
Daye
Jerebko/Villanueva/Maxiell/Wallace
Monroe

There are many decent prospects mocked to go after the first. If the draft were to play out according to DX's mock we could walk away with Biyombo, JaJuan Johnson, and Cory Joseph, which would be perfect.

with Kawhi Leonard rising the draftboard i think we still can get a decent player at 8 , Knight and Walker should be gone, but Kanter, Leonard, Vesley, Valanciunas, Biyombo - one or 2 of them should be available at 8 - i still think Biyombo is the best fit if you cant get a starting PG, Valanciunas was compared to Noah, so that could be a good fit too, Kanter seems to be more similar to Greg, but if he's there at 8 you take him probably, no to Leonard and Vesley, big or PG thats the way to go

I'd take a SF if there were any potential starters available. I'm not sure any of the guys in this draft could beat out Daye.

If Kanter's available I take him. Period. That'd give Monroe some minutes at PF, which is a good thing. It'd also give Jerebko some minutes at SF, another good thing.
I would jizz in my pants and return the favor for Gores if he made moves and we came away with Kanter and Biyombo.

Joe got lucky when Monroe fell in his sizable lap, don't expect the same with Kanter.

Any of you college hoops/draft guys have any possible names for pick #33?

I suppose I can just hit the mock draft sites, n/m.

We finally get the big Delfino/Afflalo jackpots!


Pistons

Credits:
• Toronto trades a 2011 second round pick to Detroit as part of the Carlos Delfino trade.
• Denver trades a 2011 second round pick to Detroit as part of the Arron Afflalo trade.
• Houston trades a second round pick (protected top 40 in 2012, top 35 in 2013 and 2014, and unprotected in 2015) to Detroit as part of the Chase Budinger trade
• Los Angeles trades a 2013 second round pick (top 55 protected) to Detroit as part of the Alex Acker trade.

Debits:

• Detroit trades a 2011 second round pick to Los Angeles as part of the Alex Acker trade.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/transactions.php#ixzz1OFMkZmnW
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Kanter's in play at #2, says DX.

They have us picking Biyombo, which would just make me jizz in muh pantz.

Fuck babies, Biyombo eats embryos.

:chad: on Pistons


Like every team, they would be open to a trade for the right offer. If they stay at No. 8, there are five guys on their radar. Most of the guys they are looking at are bigs -- Jan Vesely, Jonas Valanciunas, Bismack Biyombo and Tristan Thompson. The only name that belongs to a guard is that of Kemba Walker.

if the Raps take Biyombo at 5 i will be pissed, its Biyombo oder bust for me

Anybody think Joe could get good value for #8 from somebody trying to get up to grab Jimmer?

Anybody think Joe could get good value for #8 from somebody trying to get up to grab Jimmer?

No.

Anybody think Joe could get good value for #8
Joe could have an accident with a lottery pick, yes.

No.

Can you help me out a bit here?

Courtney (Auburn Hills, MI)
Chad, I have a 2 part question. 1. Who is the Pistons front runner for head coach, and 2. Do you think Joe D would select another Euro? (or Biyambo)?

Chad Ford (1:31 PM)
Not sure there's a front runner though I think there is a relationship with Mike Woodson that makes some sense. As for the draft I think there's five guys on the radar Jonas Valanciunas, Kemba Walker, Jan Vesely, Bismack Biyombo and Tristan Thompson.

Can you help me out a bit here?

Can't imagine he holds good value at the pick, let alone would drive a team to make a worthy offer to move up to that spot. He'll need a very, very trusing team to give him minutes. He was repeatedly assraped in college on defense by very inconsequencial guards. He'll get killed in the league Nash style, but without the team wide reward Steve brings on offense. At best he's Steph Curry with 2 twisted ankles.

I need to stop reading about this elsewhere and just ask you. Seems like 4 or 5 teams are being mentioned as being hopeful that he's there for them. Smelled like an opportunity.

Cavs reportedly want "a young vet" in exchange for pick #4.

How about Rip/Stuckey/#8 for TPE/#4/another player?

Cavs could take Williams at #1, another good young player at #8 and add Rip & Stuck.

We get TPE to try and make another deal and somebody like Kanter at #4. Who would the other player be? Andy?

Crazy?

Cavs reportedly want "a young vet" in exchange for pick #4.

How about Rip/Stuckey/#8 for TPE/#4/another player?

Cavs could take Williams at #1, another good young player at #8 and add Rip & Stuck.

We get TPE to try and make another deal and somebody like Kanter at #4. Who would the other player be? Andy?

Crazy?

I'd do this but I don't think the Cavs would. I think that they really like Kanter. I don't even care who we got back.

There are about 5 players I would consider really impressive and pretty much 6-15 can go in any order. The #4 pick would get us somebody good.

:chad: on Jimmer


Hopping on a plane. Sounds like Jimmer had a good workout in Sac. He's in the mix at 7. But so are Kemba, Kawhi Leonard, Vesely.

Jimmer would be a good complement to Tyreke Evans, as the latter isn't much of a shooter.

and, anybody that jumps up in front of the #8 pick can only be a good thing.

So do we still have Biyombo fans in the house?

no wing players.

/end

He took this Ben Wallace clone thing too far at his workout.

still a Biyombo fan, but the workout was retarded, so he is limited offensivly, who cares if he can just dunk, if he can impact the game on the defensiv end like Ben or Chandler? we dont need another fancy jump shoter, if he can defend, rebound, block and play some good help defense this is still a good pick at 8

I would pass on Biyombo just because we really need a big man who can play in the post or a good scorer inside. That isn't Monroe (so far, beside put-backs). I don't want to be another 3 point shooting team and if Stuckey leaves, we really don't have a slasher to the basket to go along with no post presence.

So do we still have Biyombo fans in the house?
100%
Not interested in skinny Euros and combos

I'm still 100% behind him. I would have been surprised had he been impressive in a 1v0 workout. He's new to the game and a work in progress.

John Calipari thinks Enes Kanter should be the #1 pick http://dlvr.it/W9tYF

Said Chad Ford on twitter: Bismack Backlash: In wake of shaky Euro workout, Biyombo now offering to work out for few teams in the US - Pistons & Knicks both got calls

This could be our guy, folks.

Seen the "famous" Givony tweet/quote about him?

Seen the "famous" Givony tweet/quote about him?

Whoa, just checked. Which one? 8 out of 9 in a row were Biyombo-centered.

It'd take somebody special falling for me to pass on Bismack. I'm feeling the same way I felt about Monroe last year <3

Hate to say it, and joke obviously slightly intended, but Givony's praise is almost Fordesque IYKWIM. Makes me feel like the only thing that can stop the kid is a .....

Hate to say it, and joke obviously slightly intended, but Givony's praise is almost Fordesque IYKWIM. Makes me feel like the only thing that can stop the kid is a .....

... trip to the free throw line?


"Pass on him at your own peril."

To be fair, after seeing him receive entry passes in his workout...

Pass to him at your own peril.

Still want him, though. He's top four on my board.

Here's my ideal draft according to draftexpress' mock: http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/
#8 FC Bismack Biyombo (10)
#33 PG Darius Morris (35)
#55 SF Jereme Richmond (56)

Stuckey/Bynum/Morris
Gordon/Hamilton/White
(Hamilton)/Daye/Richmond
Jerebko/Villanueva/Maxiell
Monroe/Biyombo/Wallace

I'd also bring in the projected-to-be-undrafted GF DeAndre Liggins and see what he can offer at SF.

I don't think Morris makes it past the Heat at #31.

Man, these experts sure love Vesely.

I'm trying not to get seduced/Darkoed.

@chadfordinsider: Jan Vesley will hold a special workout in NJ on Sunday for the Raptors, Pistons, Kings and Wizards

Fuck Jan Vesely. Is he a better PF than Jerebko, Villanueva, or Maxiell? Is he a better SF than Daye or Jerebko? Shit, if we can't trade Hamilton and want to make minutes for him and Gordon, HE should play at least a quarter of the game in the frontcourt, which would push Vesely even further down the depth chart.

Biyombo has a chance to be our #2 C whereas Vesely could be out of the rotation entirely. Think Joe, THINK. SG and PF are NOT needs.

I don't think Morris makes it past the Heat at #31.
Yeah, and in that event I'd take on JaJuan Johnson as an exclusive PF and make Jerebko a full-time SF, and would draft a PG with #53 (Cory Joseph?).

Whatever happens, I'm bringing in Kalin Lucas for a workout if he goes undrafted.

Think Joe, THINK. SG and PF are NOT needs.

One could make a good case that our only true need is "better players".

If I trusted the Pistons/Joe's talent evaluations more, I wouldn't care what position a draftee played (It's irrelevant, right, Joe?) if he's the best player available. Having some faith that he'd suddenly figure out how to effectively balance a roster would also provide some comfort.

Yeah, we can draft any spot and I won't bitch. I guess "combo guard" would be a bit much, but hell, it's not like I'm in love with any of those guys.

(It's irrelevant, right, Joe?)

I swung and missed there. "Antiquated" is what I was looking for.

One could make a good case that our only true need is "better players".

If I trusted the Pistons/Joe's talent evaluations more, I wouldn't care what position a draftee played (It's irrelevant, right, Joe?) if he's the best player available. Having some faith that he'd suddenly figure out how to effectively balance a roster would also provide some comfort.
We had the fewest blocked shots in the league last year at only 4 a game and also grabbed the fewest rebounds at 38.62. Ideally, the best pick available is the guy who directly contributes to areas in which we are deficient, immediately, and who also has long-term potential.
Apparently Joe has a top 4 of Kemba, Thompson, Vesely, and Biyombo. I can't see Kemba Walker or Tristan Thompson starting in this league (including on our team), or Jan Vesely even beating out a healthy Jerebko. If any of those three are available and Joe wants them, fine by me, just make sure it's after doing some work and trading back into the draft after taking Biyombo at #8, as I bet a lot of GMs would be willing to trade out of 2011 for a 2012 equivalent pick.

I would love to trade out of 2011 for a 2012 pick. Not the inverse. Next years draft looks great.

Fuck it. Looks like we're going with one of the Morris twins, Kemba, or Vesely. Neither Biyombo or Thompson-who I don't want anyway-were invited to the green room for the draft.

a Morris twin was my early call, will stick with it

This is the first year I'm actually hoping Joe reaches for somebody.

he may be a 'reach' according to most, but i would totally take markieff morris at #8. i want him over most of the guys who are being mentioned as our targets. he reminds me a bit of al horford and a bit antonio davis. he needs more offensive 'polish' but i think he's very much underrated. he has the skill set we need and is a tough SOB. he's a solid rebounder and defensive player. he's also a workhorse and i think he'll improve his offensive game even more as a pro.

his body and game are still growing and he's a perfect fit next to monroe IMO.

I know I'm being fucking obnoxious about this, but it's not just about who complements Monroe. Two post players won't play 48 minutes apiece. The entire ensemble is important, and between Monroe/Biyombo/Villanueva/Jerebko, we'd have everything you'd want; in the rotation we would have a defensive anchor, a stretch four, a playmaking/focal point, and a utility/garbage man.
We don't need a prime Rasheed Wallace type, but rather a Theo Ratliff.

Bullshit. Every team needs a prime Sheed. :)

It sounds like the Detroit Pistons really like Tristan Thompson at #8. It explains his green room invite.

It sounds like Houston is dangling #14 and #23 to move up into the lottery. Would they want #8?

I don't think Morris makes it past the Heat at #31.

Not so sure about this now. Some peeps think PG Reggie Jackson has a promise from the Heat at #31. It's possible that Morris could be there at #33, which would be fine with me.

Tristan Thompson or Bismack Biyombo

safe or risk?

we need a guy who has the potential to start, Thompson seems more like a career backup to me, but Bismack could be just another Thabeet, difficult choice to get any value out of this draft/pick

Read some speculation that Kawhi Leonard has a promise from the Kings at #7, just fyi.

Bullshit. Every team needs a prime Sheed. :)

Really. I mean using only talent, ability and basketball IQ, is there really any way that Prime Sheed and Theo Ratliff can even be in the same sentence? Incredible.

I was talking about need/fit. The Pistons need a shot blocker/rebounder/defensive anchor. Rasheed was a great man defender, but a subpar rebounder and average shotblocker.
Obviously he's better than Ratliff.

Anybody think Joe could get good value for #8 from somebody trying to get up to grab Jimmer?




But the draft exodus may go even further into the first round. Sources say
that the Charlotte Bobcats (9), Milwaukee Bucks (10) and Golden State Warriors
(11) are also open to moving their pick. In this case the interest is all pretty
specific. The Knicks, and a handful of other teams, are trying to get ahead
of the Jazz. The target? BYU's Jimmer Fredette (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?name=nba_draft&id=6680436). ESPN.com (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?name=nba_draft&id=6680436)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aj1Rq2j7hYaQEle3kqyJ4Ue8vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_josh_smith_hawks_nba_draft_062011

Houston continues to offer the 14th and 23rd picks in the draft to move into the top 10, and could have a willing partner with the Detroit Pistons at No. 8. The Pistons have told teams they won’t trade down until they see who drops to them on draft night, sources said. In what could be an interesting window into the Pistons’ preferences, San Diego State forward Kawhi Leonard worked out for Detroit on Monday, and shortly thereafter cancelled his Wednesday workout with the Milwaukee Bucks, who have the 10th pick. Several executives believe Leonard may have left Auburn Hills with a guarantee.

lastest mock from Givony


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlRCUqBIxi7AkWHRBpZ7PTi8vLYF?slug=ycn-8674693

8 Detroit Pistons
Jonas Valanciunas, C
19 years old; 6-11, 240
Lietuvos Rytas (Lithuania)

Valanciunas’ inability to play in the NBA next season will hurt him in the draft short-term, likely knocking him out of the top five. Long term, this could be a huge boon both to him and whichever team that drafts him, affording him another year to prepare himself physically for the rigors of the NBA. He will also avoid having to sit out an extended period while waiting for the lockout to be resolved.

Joe Dumars will need his new owner to sign off on this move first, though, as it will be tough to see a great deal of improvement next year without the benefit of a lottery pick on the roster.

i'd rather wait a year for Jonas V than draft a SF like Leonard, trading down is an option if a guy like Biyombo falls to 15

Biyombo works out for Pistons today.

Trading down for two 1sts is fine with me, unless somebody really falls. We need young players to develop.

Plus it gives Joe two shots to get one right.

Watch us trade down w/Rockets for their two 1sts and then sell one to the Lakers for $3m.

Whoops, promised myself I wouldn't start that with Gores yet.

$3M could wash a lot of cars.

I don't understand the reasoning behind guaranteeing a player a certain draft position. The only reason I'd ever let it leak to/about a guy being my favorite is if I could do without selecting him at all, hoping to drum up interest for a team to trade up to my spot or ahead of it.

Or if there was a risk of the player pulling out of the draft, but I see your point.

in my dream scenario, we trade down with houston and take BB at #14 and then JV falls to us at #23 since he can't play next year in the nba. overkill in the frontcourt? maybe. but we need to trade off some of our backcourt 'assets' too. (if you want to call them that)

Pistons beat writers (and Chad Ford) busting collective nuts about Markeif.

If we draft him and hire Larry Frank, this place is going to smell even more like my farts than it already does.

I wonder how much the atmosphere weighs and how much it will hurt WHEN THE FUCKING SKY FALLS ON THURSDAY.

actually i love markeif or however the fuck you spell his name. i'd take him over BB and i'd even reach for him at #8 over the other guys they're saying we might draft. to me he's a kid who is highly underrated. he's a antonio davis / al horford type but needs more polish on offense and needs to keep bulking up. but the kid is a workhorse and i love him.

if we 'reach' for him at #8, i'd be more happy than with any of those other kids. there are more question marks with the other guys IMO and i believe morris is not only the 'safer' pick but tha he has a higher ceiling than others believe.

latest from chad ford: "I'm hearing that if either Leonard or Walker is on the board at No. 8, the Pistons are likely to take one of them. If both are gone, it's down to Biyombo, Tristan Thompson and Markieff Morris. The Pistons really like Valanciunas as well, but sources say they aren't willing to wait a year to get him. "