We lost the original thread.

But I think I had guessed the All Star break, with Brian Hill taking over.

About a week after the new owner takes over.

End of the season.

i agree, when a new owner shows up which could take until the offseason

Does Kuester actually get shitcanned, or does his contract simply not get renewed? Isn't it only two years guaranteed as it is?

About a week after the new owner takes over.

This, if it takes that long. I suppose if the new owners can't move any players, they may as well let him ride the season out.

What's up with him sending the head of security to talk to Rip? lol Nope, he hasn't lost the players, he can't even talk to them directly :facepalm:

End of the season.

Even if we get a new owner tomorrow there is no point dumping Q.

Let him ride it out and then let him walk/fire him. Pick your new coach (Woodson?) and make a splash on Draft Day, buying picks and doing deals sending cash everywhere...

And hope that equals a young, hungry team with a defensive minded coach and will give them some freedom offensively if they D up like we used to do back in the good ol' days...

I dunno. If we can't move Rip soon, this thing is just going to get even more toxic by the day.

At some point, Q can be dumped as a pacifier for the disgruntleds.

It sucks, but that's reality.

I'd fire him now.
WTF is up with how he's handled Prince and Rip?
I'd honestly get rid of all three, but Kuester has no idea how to manage *people*.

Q should be thought of in the same light as Larry Brown for being the guy who successfully ended the Stuckey PG nightmare.

If we pry Dale Davis out of retirement can we end the Maxiell saga?

12 days. (or sooner)

Whenever the sale is official. But his handling of the Rip situation was just too unprofessional. From going to the media to having security tell him to come see him. Its just bad approach. Shoulda waited b4 cashing all his ego chips in on the nets trade.

the RIP situation makes the franchise look bad too, thats no the way to treat a guy like RIP, Dumars didnt say shit either until yesterday, he blames Q for everything with RIP, kinda silly

the RIP situation makes the franchise look bad too, thats no the way to treat a guy like RIP, Dumars didnt say shit either until yesterday, he blames Q for everything with RIP, kinda silly
Not silly if it was Q's decision. Plausible that Joe told Q that Rip is probably traded and Q took it as a for sure thing and benched him completely. I don't think the GM who has no grudge with a player says to blackball the guy to completely. I could be wrong on that, but it looks more like Joe saying enough is enough in Rip and Q not moving on.

I could swear I remember Rip acting a lil bitch from time to time too.

And it really did seem to me like (before this team started playing good) that when it was the Rip curl play, which also seemed like every time down the court, the rest of players just stand there.

The teams playing good right now, so hopefully he'll fit in. But he can't act like Kobe or some shit and everyone has to cater to him.

Joe called him and Kuester out, even put it out out there that Rip resisted on going back in. Looks like he told everybody grow the fuck up and move on. That "we are not trading rip" statement coulda been a message for him to play because he's not getting traded and he's not forcing a crap ass trade by not playing.

I think so too....the move on part. But, imo, Rip needs to fit in to this teams play right now. Shouldn't be hard for a vet like him at all.

If Rip has a PG that can get him the ball in the right places at the right times, he's fine.

If Rip has a PG that can get him the ball in the right places at the right times, he's fine.
Man you say Liberal, but you push agenda like a conservative I tell ya.

If Rip has a PG that can get him the ball in the right places at the right times, he's fine.

Or Rip needs to adjust to where he's getting the ball and score.

I guess what I'm saying is if TMac or The WB can't get him the ball exactly where he wants it, don't be a lil bitch about it and start throwing your headband again.

JMHO

Joe called him and Kuester out, even put it out out there that Rip resisted on going back in. Looks like he told everybody grow the fuck up and move on. That "we are not trading rip" statement coulda been a message for him to play because he's not getting traded and he's not forcing a crap ass trade by not playing.

Where?
How?

Where?
How?


Pistons president of basketball operations Joe Dumars has been quiet during the public spat between John Kuester and Rip Hamilton, but he broke his public silence during tonight’s broadcast of Pistons-Bucks.
http://www.freep.com/article/20110205/SPORTS03/110205012/1051/sports03/Richard-Hamilton-returns-floor-Pistons

Richard Hamilton shines in return, but Pistons mum on his status
Vincent Goodwill / The Detroit News

Auburn Hills— Something transpired in the 24 hours between the Pistons deactivating guard Richard Hamilton and then, the next night, Hamilton playing for the first time in 13 games.

No one is speaking publicly, and Pistons coach John Kuester failed to praise Hamilton in the same manner he does Tracy McGrady, Tayshaun Prince and Ben Wallace.

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Kuester made a point to commend Wallace on his leadership and mentoring of rookie Greg Monroe. He also routinely speaks of how McGrady has checked his ego at the door, indicating he's comfortable in his role and what he's done in his career.

In Hamilton's case, Kuester seemed downright dry after the game, even though Hamilton's 15 points helped the Pistons to their sixth road win of the season. It seemed like a situation that was out of the coach's hands.

"He did a nice job," Kuester said. "We were down a player with (Rodney) Stuckey out. He made some shots."

With Stuckey out, the Pistons have gone from a surplus of guards to short-handed. McGrady and Ben Gordon are starting, with not much behind them.

DaJuan Summers didn't produce much Friday, and the Pistons used their "in case of emergency, break open glass" option: Hamilton.

It's possible Pistons president Joe Dumars stepped in to intervene, especially after Ben Wallace's pointed statements after Friday night's win over the Nets about Hamilton's treatment.

"I know the situation. I know what went down and what was said and how it was said," Wallace said. "I think it's (making him inactive) a slap in the face. That's the final punch thrown. What are you going to do now?"

Dumars usually lets his coaches and players handle their own conflicts, preferring not to step in. But Dumars spoke to Fox Sports Detroit's Eli Zaret before Saturday's game, saying he hopes Hamilton and Kuester work things out. He also said the coaching staff has tried to get Hamilton back into the playing rotation before Saturday, and he resisted.

Even though Hamilton has been on the trading block, Dumars told Zaret the Pistons have no plans to trade their all-time leading playoff scorer.

And with the ownership situation still unsettled, Hamilton won't be bought out.

It's obvious the situation was spiraling out of control, and with no trade prospects on the horizon, it's feasible Hamilton could be a Piston for the rest of the season.

"The distraction was between them," Prince said. "We needed him, there's no doubt about that. I think everybody was (surprised to see him play)."

If that's the case, and if Hamilton is engaged and productive, then he can help the Pistons in a playoff push. There are consequences, though. Even though Stuckey is out (shoulder), he'll be back soon — and the Pistons need him as much as anyone.

Not only do they miss Stuckey's scoring but they miss him defensively, as well. Raymond Felton (New York) and Stephen Jackson (Charlotte) were prime candidates Stuckey would have defended. Both shredded the Pistons' defense on the way to wins.

Stuckey won't have any restrictions when he returns and because he plays 30 minutes per game, the rotation will be altered — yet again.

vgoodwill@detnews.com

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From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110207/SPORTS0102/102070326/Richard-Hamilton-shines-in-return--but-Pistons-mum-on-his-status#ixzz1DHLJkNZq

Even though Hamilton has been on the trading block, Dumars told Zaret the Pistons have no plans to trade their all-time leading playoff scorer.

9 days left.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110214/COL22/102140414/1051/sports03/Michael-Rosenberg-Kuester-might-right-he-s-wrong-Pistons

Last night looked bad. After all this time he still looks lost on how he does his rotation.

I think it's his last week.

in over his head
bitter and defensive prick
budget hires don't work

^ haikue

#haiKue

brilliant

first part of next week.

End of the season.

Column: John Kuester is not long for his job, and here is why: http://bit.ly/gLXHNd

How about today?

Here's your valentine......now get the f$%k out!

Tomorrow, about 2:30 pmish.

The twitterverse disagrees.

Ya know for all "players are the problem" ish people talk, I personally think we'd be a playoff team with a better coach. Whether it be Avery, Woodson, or Sloan even.

Ya know for all "players are the problem" ish people talk, I personally think we'd be a playoff team with a better coach. Whether it be Avery, Woodson, or Sloan even.

You're just grasping at names.







lol

You're just grasping at names.







lol
And your feelings were apparently hurt. I'm not saying sorry though. ;) Otherwise yes I think we'd be a playoff team with the grasped straw names that I didn't randomly come with.

I think we've gone through this before but...

A coach's job is to manage the fucking egos of these players - here it's harder than some other teams since we have so many players of similar talent level and they all wanna play big minutes...

But at the end of the day the Head Coach needs to be the man in charge of that locker room.

You can hire an experienced assistant to draw up Xs and Os but you need a guy that has the respect of the players.

I don't think Johnny K ever had their respect... and once someone mouthed off and got away with it and he did nothing it sent the message he was weak.

Laimbeer might not be the best choice - but who here thinks he'd tolerate half the shit we've seen this season?

I'd take Laimbeer in a heartbeat.

I look at all the "successful" NBA coaches and I think they all have that respect thing in common.

Phil Jackson, Pop, Sloan, even LB

It's the same in other sports - the best coach in our NRL here is respected by every player in the comp. Players are willing to take less money to play for him! He's a life coach, a mentor to players...

Coaches like that are hard to come by but IMO they make a difference

Vecsey says Dumars is deflecting questions about rumblings that Kuester will be fired during All Star break.

I CAUSE RUMBLINGS

yes, awesome! somehow Vecsey always is one of the first to know about Pistons moves, this dick was right there when Chauncey got traded, he reported it first! Great news!

I look at all the "successful" NBA coaches and I think they all have that respect thing in common.

Phil Jackson, Pop, Sloan, even LB

It's the same in other sports - the best coach in our NRL here is respected by every player in the comp. Players are willing to take less money to play for him! He's a life coach, a mentor to players...

Coaches like that are hard to come by but IMO they make a difference

that's one of those chicken or the egg scenarios. Coaches get respect by winning. LB was respected here, but what about with the Knicks? If any of those coaches were on the pistons right now they'd be losing respect with every loss.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Laimbeer needs to be brought in. He has two championships as a player, three as a head coach (WNBA), and was an all-star four times. He's commentated for the Pistons and for ESPN, and is very well-spoken. He's a good player, a winner, and understands Xs and Ox. He has the credentials that should demand some respect, and the personality that should guarantee it. He's learning the NBA game even more closely as an assistant coach, and I believe he would be able to transition from the young Timberwolves to the rebuilding Pistons very well.

and shit, as a great rebounding C with range who is coaching Kevin Love, he might be able to maximize the utility of Charlie V and Monroe.

that's one of those chicken or the egg scenarios. Coaches get respect by winning. LB was respected here, but what about with the Knicks? If any of those coaches were on the pistons right now they'd be losing respect with every loss.

I don't think it's a chicken or the egg scenario - but then I'd rather over pay for proven coaches.

Take a guy like Nate McMillan at the moment - I'd over pay for him. I think he's proven enough, been through enough in Portland where he understands the ego side of his job.

Some guys should understand that side of the job but obviously don't. Kuester is one of them.

As for "coaches get respect by winning" - I also don't believe that's true. I believe that a coach can do his job well and the team still can lose.

It's a player's league - and any head coach needs to be aware of that and manage his roster accordingly. A great relationship with the top few players can set the tone for every practice. A bad relationship with those same players can rip a team apart

CV Re-tweeting this says a lot on a few different levels.


StickRadio (http://twitter.com/#%21/StickRadio) Stick on Channel955 by CV31 @



@CV31 (http://twitter.com/CV31) I ride or die for the Stones. But Q doesn't put u guys in the best position to win. Sad too. Talent is there

Says CV can't judge talent.

Kuester's obviously lost the entire roster.

and this roster DOES have talent.

Just curious, do any of you think there is even a 1% chance that Kuester is back next year?

After seeing the price that the Clippers paid to unload Baron, I'm starting to think it might be best to hold onto Rip and try to make it work here for him for a while with a new coach.

Of course, doing so means that either Stuckey or Gordon should go instead. Good luck moving Gordon's deal, though.

God, Joe's made a mess here.

So we couldn't make a trade (Tay to Dallas for Butler + their first?) because of all the ownership situation...

Does that also mean Kuester can't be fired? I'm guessing whichever assistant got the job would get a bump in salary.... who signs off on that?

Does the ownershi situation mean we are fucking stuck in no man's land until the sale is official?

Can we sign anyone for 10-days? Can we waive anyone? Can we do any fucking thing?

Is the only possible scneario Joe firing Kuester and taking over as Coach himself? Doubt Joe goes for that - not with this roster

So we couldn't make a trade (Tay to Dallas for Butler + their first?) because of all the ownership situation...

Does that also mean Kuester can't be fired? I'm guessing whichever assistant got the job would get a bump in salary.... who signs off on that?

Does the ownership situation mean we are fucking stuck in no man's land until the sale is official?
Who knows, and we unfortunately left to speculate w/o proof of one thing or the other. Though for common sense sake and precedent it would seem like there isn't many reasons that we'd keep Kuester besides that. We still have to pay him if we fire him right? That could pretty much be the sticking point on why he's still here for now.

I agree that the reason he's likely still coach is because we'd be paying him anyway - no point paying 2 guys (or paying some assistant more).

But long term what does that do to the guys that will be here next season and beyond? Will they understand that due to the death of Davidson the franchise was essentially stuck in the mud on every level?

I'm sure some of the players don't give a fuck and are just happy to be playing ball. But I'm also sure (hope!!) that some of our guys want to win, want to be successful and believe that anything or anyone that gets in the way of that needs to be removed ASAP.

IMO we're doing ourselves no favours by keeping Q in the job. None.

re #49: apparently CV31 deleted that RT

Pistons' Charlie Villanueva retweets message from Twitter follower that is critical of John Kuester (http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2011/02/pistons_charlie_villanueva_ret.html)

lol that this is "news"

Is this diddy?


yes the envy monster has bitten me and its certainly not due to finances or my jumpshot, big guy. davidson has zero debt on the team and will pocket hundreds of million- is 380 mill not enough or does 420 mill allow her to survive in this sluggish economy? i FULLY get maximizing a sale, especially when you are not desperate to sell. however, when you handcuff the gm to make ZERO TRANSACTIONS (and there were several that could have greatly improved this team), whose best interest does she have? the team, right???

any putz can analyze kuester and what he could have done...did you see ben gordon playing D on rush on the next to last play? he went backdoor with gordon 3 steps behind. thats on kuester, right???he has less to work with then any team in the league, except the cavs, FACT. kuester is an ok coach, ok to fair. nobody is comparing him to chuck daly, red auerbach or billy cunningham, no, no, no.

bottomline is players win games, and kuester has not LOST games based on his coaching. the PG is T-MAC for crying out loud, while BEN WALLACE is our center. That's a SICK lineup. the fact they were even in the game against a hot pacer team was miraculous...was kuestrs game plan (to put them in a position to win) bad too? when you grasp the philosophy that players win games, feel free to reply...until then, stuff your memoirs in your trapper keeper.

Wait, nevermind.

Coaching change coming in Detroit? (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/25479/coaching-change-coming-in-detroit)

:stein:


Just getting this archived/documented, lol.

Fuck this team.

Sounds like Adelman might shake loose.

:stein: re: Pacers


Ex-Cavs coach Mike Brown remains a strong favorite to be offered Indiana's coaching job next season should Larry Bird return as team president.

It's likewise possible that Brown, currently working for ESPN, will receive other offers. But Indy's recent swoon, lowlighted by a 26-point loss in Minnesota on Wednesday night after a honeymoon period under interim coach Frank Vogel, has renewed the belief in coaching circles that the Pacers will be conducting a coaching search at season's end that starts with Brown.

Lakers assistant coach and Pacers legend Chuck Person, according to our old friend Sean Deveney at the Sporting News, will also be a candidate for the job. But word is there's another name on Indy's radar that hasn't circulated much yet: Mavericks assistant coach Dwane Casey.

Casey is still waiting for his second shot at a head-coaching gig after his unceremonious dismissal in Minnesota halfway through the 2006-07 season and serious (but ultimately unsuccessful) flirtations in recent offseasons with Philadelphia, Chicago and Atlanta.

The link to Indiana, though, was inevitable, given Casey's good work on Rick Carlisle's staff in Dallas and how close Carlisle and Bird remain after their time together as teammates in Boston and Carlisle's years in Indy both as Bird's assistant and as head coach.

Steve Aschburner: Detroit’s John Kuester, only because he works in the Eastern time zone and the Pistons might be asking him to clean out his office before his team leaves Philadelphia on April 13, whereas Golden State’s Keith Smart will be finishing up that night three hours later against Portland.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/03/23/blogtable-coaches-on-the-hot-seat/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Interesting, I had been reading some good things about Smart, despite his record. Ownership change truly is the kiss of death for coaches and GMs, though.

Mike O'Hara writes on Fox Sports Detroit's website that the Pistons should hire Isiah to coach the team. The best part is that he claims that doing so would "restore order to the Pistons asylum".

LOL

April 14.

John Kuester will run Pistons' individual workouts in Auburn Hills http://ffd.me/lk3etS

LOL

then

CRY

wait for it ...

Every time I see this thread pop up as new, I keep expecting "It Happened" and it hasn't.