i.e. send out an expiring and get back talent
i.e. send out a proven player to a contender and get back prospects
i.e. send out an expiring and get back a bad contract and a pick

i.e. not gonna happen until we get a new owner

thwarted

whateva, the guy's gotta fuckin go.

Don't disagree. Tay's deal, along with our lottery pick and Stuckey are the three main assets that we have that could be used to improve our fortunes, in a more perfect world.

I'm in favor of keeping the pick, Monroe, Jerebko and Bynum. Everything else is fair game, IMO.

Tay + Maxiell for Kaman + Butler(expiring)

send Tay back home, get rid of Maxiell, if Kaman doesnt work out he's got an expiring contract next year
= perfect trade (for the Clippers too, they dont need Kaman anymore, need some capspace to resign DeAndre Jordan)
one problem, we need a new owner first to aprove taking on more salary

Who would y'all want from Dallas?

In a world where we were allowed to take back salary, that is.

Haywood? I don't think so anymore.

If we can't take $, I would do Butler and a 1st. Maybe a young cheap prospect like Mahinmi, too.

We could always flip Butler at the deadline for a locked in asset if the ownership situation resolves and the purse strings open up.

How about this? lol

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4r9hmgy

I was looking at Tayshaun for Haywood and Stevenson.

6 years on Haywood is a bit intimidating for me, especially if we can't move Rip. Gotta include him, IMO.

Since Rip and Tay appear to have each others' backs so hard, I'd have no problem selling them or the other team on a package deal.

Tayshaun to Sacramento works without taking back any salary, as does Cleveland and Toronto what with their trade exceptions.

Cleveland is about 5 million under the cap. This means they could absorb Maxiell or Bynum outright, and THEN we could trade them a big contract with their LBJ TPE.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6041580
Ugh. Two fewer places to trade the dude.

Would we do this:

Send out Prince, Hamilton, Maxiell, Bynum, get back Banks/Jack/Ariza/Green?

McGrady*/Jack/Banks*/White*------------Paul/Bynum
Stuckey*/Gordon/Green*-------------------Hamilton/Belinelli
Daye/Ariza/Summers*--------------------Prince/Thornton
Monroe/Villanueva/Jerebko-*------------West/Smith
Wallace/Wilcox*--------------------------Okafor/Gray
*=(could be) expiring/unguaranteed

We cut about 4 million in immediate salaries and find a big true PG for Stuckey/Gordon while shedding 3 of our 5 worst contracts.

I don't "hate" it, might even actually "like" it some if Ariza wasn't going to block Daye, but I have higher hopes than this, I guess.

as well as Tays playing right now, he will be on the wrong side of 30 soon...i don't want to give him a long extension...trade him for anything! if you can package him with another of our terrible contracts like Maxiell, do it! if you can get a 1st round pick (Butler, pick) do it! Tay has value, he's one of the few Pistons who has any value, it would be another lost opportunity if he is not dealt for a future asset...

Tay + Maxiell for Butler, Stevenson, pick = perfect trade

Ideally you'd trade Tay for a quality player we will keep.If that can't be done then I wouldn't mind seeing us trade him for a guy that expires after next season s long as we get a pick in the deal.Essentially turning one asset into 2...

Prince and Maxiell to the Clippers for Kaman and Brian Cook.

Prince is the ideal fit for the Clips (and since he's from there, might be willing to sign an extension), and Kaman gives us a low post scoring big man with only a year left on his deal.

I've wanted to do that deal for so long.
Dudes should have the opportunity to finish their careers in their hometowns, if they wish. That would apply for Kaman and Prince in this deal.

Taking on any salary is not gonna happen while the ownership situation is what it is.

I wouldn't mind seeing us trade Rip or Maxiell for an expiring. Highly unlikely but it would be sweet.

Or trading Tay for Caron Butler plus the Mavs 1st round pick in 2011. What are they gonna do with that pick? They usually just trade expirings for other players locked in and their picks never amount to much. Here they get Tay's Bird Rights...

I seriously doubt the next CBA eliminates Bird Rights - it has to stay to help smaller market teams retain players.

If we get a new owner that's willing to lose Tay for nothing we're just as fucked as we are with Karen Davidson running the ship.

and Dallas has Peja now.