So as we have seen, Luck is staying in school.

Blackmon is as well.

Watch this space into the future:
http://www.nfldraftdb.com

/shameless self promo

east/west shrine game this week. Practices start this afternoon, I'll relay what information I can

Dontay Moch (OLB from Nevada) just weighed in pretty poorly at only 229 pounds.

Not good for a guy whose skillset projects well as a 3-4 olb

Were the Tigers looking to draft him?

Nah, I wouldn't look for him on the Tigers or Lions anywhere before the 5th round... way too raw. Very gifted athlete, however.

Calgary's Anthony Parker (WR) is raising some eyebrows

http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2011.php

my guy Kaepernick is looking pretty good at the SB practices. Hopefully he is still drafted in the mid rounds. I want him to be a Lion

Titus Young is also really impressive.

lol, Dilfer.


Speaking on ESPN Thursday afternoon, analyst Trent Dilfer called Auburn QB Cam Newton's Thursday media day workout "one of the most phenomenal personal workouts I've ever seen."
"If scouts saw this they'd have been slobbering," added Dilfer, who called Newton a "dynamic athlete" and "incredibly impressive." Dilfer praised Newton's refinement, accuracy, and arm strength while proclaiming the "sky is the limit." Newton's measurables have never been in question, so it's hardly surprising that he excelled in a controlled environment. It is a positive sign, though, that the tutoring on his footwork and acclimation to working under center have paid off. It now seems likely that a team with a top-five selection will fall in love Newton, but his character concerns and football acumen will still be scrutinized over the next two months.

Listening to McShay on the radio go on and on about how much Dilfer knows about THE QUARTERBACK POSITION.

G,

What do you want to see the Steelers address this year?

Listening to McShay on the radio go on and on about how much Dilfer knows about THE QUARTERBACK POSITION.

Such baloney. Dilfer could never MAKE ALL THE THROWS

G,

What do you want to see the Steelers address this year?

OL & DB, 3 of each maybe?

G,

What do you want to see the Steelers address this year?

on a related note


Pittsburgh's offseason priorities http://wp.me/p14QSB-sQm

Sepulveda must have a fetish for for tearing his ACL -- twice in three years? I bet he'd be good friends w/ Jonathan Bender.

Are you keeping track of the combine for us D?

Yeah, I'm DVRing a lot of it becuase I'm hungover and drunk and don't know what's going on. I'll let you know what up afterwards

I have one of those overhangs myself.

Bruce Carter (OLB from UNC), who had a torn ACL hurt his stock some, weighed in nicely at 241. I had seen him listed around 225, so that's definitely good for him.

Prince Amukamara ran his first 40 at 4.37 (unofficial). Great time for him.

Did you time it from home, too, just to verify?



I wonder if people actually do that, lol.

lol, oh yeah, people do that. I don't, but some dudes on other forums I go to sometimes say things like "I had him at a 4.4 flat" or something stupid.

WTF TAMPA BAY! I THOUGHT YOU WE'RE GONNA BE DROPPIN SOME KNOWLEDGE ON US!

Or is that the first part of next week?

Cam Newton is beyond unlikeable. I hope he falls, and falls hard.

I picked a great year to pay zero attention to the draft. The one time I turned on the combine, Rich was running the 40...like he does every year. But I don't think I saw shit from shinola this year.

This shit is like a month and a half away still.

I made a big mistake watching ESPN again. SMH!

^ First March Madness and then Opening day and then the draft, iirc.

I wish the NHL would get their shit together to fill this void. Oh and the Pistons.

ye, fuck these two fucking sides and their fucking posturing. NFLPA got a sweet deal last time, NFL shouldn't have to show their complete financials to their contractors, NFL still wants a bit too much.

You're going to end up meeting in the middle, so just fucking do it already

DAMIT

So.....the draft.......thoughts?

I haven't heard much on the draft this year, but I kept hearing Greg Jones from MSU was going to be a 3rd rounder. Finally took a look at a few mocks and some have him dropping to mid-4th. Wouldn't mind seeing the Lions grab him for LB depth.

Is Amukamara as great as everyone is saying, or should I keep hoping for the Leos to go after o-line help?

If the Lions go o-line in the first, I only want T. Smith or Carimi, and maybe Castonzo. I want no part of Solder (he's one of my busts).

Amukamara is tough to judge, because he might be an excellent fit for this scheme. We didn't get to see him play a lot of press man coverage at Nebraska. We did get to see Jimmy Smith play a lot of press man at Colorado, and he excelled in it greatly, but his character concerns are at the very least something that will make us hesitate.

I could also see us going DE in the first. My personal hope is for JJ Watt, Prince Amukamara, or Jimmy Smith. I think Watt is going to be a beast.

Bowers scares me big time. He is one of my least favorite prospects at the top of the draft, and if history repeats itself, he will be the pick because, since we hired Mayhew, we have taken two first round guys I wanted absolutely no part of at the time (Pettigrew because he was a TE, Best because he was a RB). However, the reason I don't want Bowers isn't really due to position. The only position I'd be sick if we drafted in the first are TE, QB, and maybe RB (although if we trade down and pick up Ingram or Leshoure I might not be upset, but not at 13 overall.

I don't see any other options unless we trade down. DE, OT, or CB if we stay at 13.

i think we're hoping for a guy or two to be there, but bowers will be in play. just a gut feeling that this team may be willing to swing for the fences. 13th money and the lack of immidiate need at DE make it pretty intriguing, but it'd be smart to fill some of our other holes, too.

its gonna be interesting.

i think we're hoping for a guy or two to be there, but bowers will be in play. just a gut feeling that this team may be willing to swing for the fences. 13th money and the lack of immidiate need at DE make it pretty intriguing, but it'd be smart to fill some of our other holes, too.


I did not understand any of that.

But yes, it's gonna be interesting.

Oof. Best wishes for Marcus Cannon.

http://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter/status/62917050401685504 (http://twitter.com/#%21/AdamSchefter/status/62917050401685504)

Page doesn't exist. Twitter must've deemed whatever happened to him to be too horrible!

http://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/62917050401685504

try that

Herzlich on NFLN right now. I hope he ends up a Lion, I'd take him late 3rd or later.

we're roasting down 15 pounds of pulled pork and what will surely be gallons of booze for this baby.

This shit's tomorrow?

Berman.

Berman.

fuck that fat piece of shit.

fuck that fat piece of shit.

Fat faggot.

Things that suck: not getting NFL Network anymore.

Things that suck: NFL Network.

you can watch the whole draft on nfl.com, I believe.

Can't wait for them to start talking about the 2012 Draft after this one's over. smh

In a New York minute...

Who are we taking, DrRay?

Also, you could say anyone but Cam Newton and I'd believe you. I haven't followed a bit of this.

Obviously at 13, it depends on how the draft plays out, but who are you thinking we take?

^ depends on if :our: defense shows up or not


#doesn'treallymakesense

Who do our Steelers take tonight, Glan?

Both Kiper & McShay have the Lions taking OT Tyron Smith

apparently, the football dork world is abuzz because ron gilbert's mock is a little crazy. apparently, he is considered the most connected mock drafter around.


1. Carolina - Cam Newton
2. Denver - Von Miller
3. Buffalo - Marcell Dareus
4. Cincy - A.J. Green
5. Arizona - Patrick Peterson
6. Cleveland - Julio Jones
7. San Fran - Blaine Gabbert
8. Tennessee - Jake Locker
9. Dallas - Tyron Smith
10. Washington - Christian Ponder
11. Houston - Aldon Smith
12. Minnesota - Andy Dalton
13. Detroit - Nick Fairley
14. St. Louis - Mark Ingram
15. Miami - Mike Pouncey
16. Jacksonville - Ryan Kerrigan
17. New England - Cam Jordan
18. San Diego - Corey Liuget
19. New York Giants - Nate Solder
20. Tampa Bay - Robert Quinn
21. KC - Gabe Carimi
22. Indy - Anthony Castonzo
23. Philly - Jimmy Smith
24. New Orleans - Adrian Clayborn
25. Seattle - Prince Amukamara
26. Baltimore - JJ Watt
27. Atlanta - Phil Taylor
28. New England - Danny Watkins
29. Chicago - Marvin Austin
30. New York Jets - Derrick Sherrod
31. Pittsburgh - Cameron Heyward
32. Green Bay - Aaron Williams

Rooting against whoever Cam plays for. Looks like it'll be the Panthers.

I want to like Jaws, because he knows his shit and is one of the few analysts on ESPN that really "breaks it down", but something about him rubs me the wrong way

Omfg, this is stupid.

I want to like Jaws, because he knows his shit and is one of the few analysts on ESPN that really "breaks it down", but something about him rubs me the wrong way

20 different pairs of purple eyeglasses?

Who do our Steelers take tonight, Glan?

I don't know shit about individual talent, but they need to load up on OL & DB.

Seriously, the Sunday NFL Countdown guys are to me what the Spurs are to you.

Keyshawn, Tom Jackson, Boomer and Cris Carter are awful on their own. When they're together I want to slit my wrists.

The Kiper/Colts montage makes me lol every time.

Dilfer's rolling with "high football acumen" now.

Really?

Dilfer's rolling with "high football acumen" now.

Really?

^ bah!

Could a "Really?" thread be feasible?

I really think so.

There would be a lot of @magicjohnson posts in there.

CRIS CARTER IS HORRIBLE

Dildo talking about butchers and PhDs....

I actually don't mind CC.

Jenn Browneye

Andy Dalton: Gingers do have souls!!

Mark Ingram is like a teddy bear. I just want to hug him. #NH

He also looks like Braylon.

God damn it, if only the Ravens were drafting in the top 7-10. Would love to have Peterson.

I'd take Jimmy Smith, too, if they stayed put and he somehow fell to them. He's projected to go to Philly, I guess.

Roger Goodell hears you, guys.

Not a Cam Newton fan. At all.

Not a Cam Newton fan. At all.

I was saying this the day he was born

RIGHT NOW

#itseverything

lol, this is going to be hilarious.

Cell phones ruined this thing. There are no surprises until you get to the later rounds and these guys are off camera. This is almost unwatchable.

I do enjoy Merton's giraffe neck, though.

exactly

Berman hates Aaron Maybin.

Going to try watching this on NFL.com. Can't take ESPN spoiling these picks.

Much better.

ATL move up from 27th to 6th to get Julio Jones. Dang.

49ers gotta take Gabbert here...

If for no other reason than for the hair.

:envious:

Collective Soul.

#smh

Falcons gambling their future for the next 4 years for this guy... reminds me of Ditka's team ... dangerous

Didn't see that one coming.

TEN gotta take Gabbert here.

Wonder if the Niners have a trade for a QB in place?

Palmer?

Maybe Vince to SF?

Good place for him, IYKWIM.

WOW, Locker over Gabbert. Didn't see that one coming, you guys!

"a young Rich Gannon", lol

HE THROWS THE BALL AWAY

gruden and van gundy are my two favorite guys in sports, you guys.

ps not a fan of "you guys", unless its in the "hey you guys!" context

http://www.loadedcouchpotatoes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sloth1-300x261.jpg

Would that be Jeff or Stan?

gruden and van gundy are my two favorite guys in sports, you guys.

ps not a fan of "you guys", unless its in the "hey you guys!" context

http://www.loadedcouchpotatoes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sloth1-300x261.jpg

But do you follow @DadBoner?

Cowboys go Tyron Smith?

Damn... I was hopin' for Smith... fuck!

jeff.

and i do follow dad boner based on your guys' suggestion. i was almost in tears reading some of his old stuff.

told someone i work with to read it and he didnt get it. must be a crackhead, or something.

Johnny Cash, nice!

What's your twitter, b-d?

Yo Gabbert Gabbert!

i like how this draft is shaping up for the lion. i was hoping 5 qbs would go top 12 like dude predicted, but 3 (or dare i hope, 4) would be better than i expected. i think someone will be there that we werent expecting.

What's your twitter, b-d?

im only a follower. dont tweet at all.

trading down would be nice, it seems. i know oakland wants to get up to our range, but i wouldnt want the lions to go out of the 1st. a few slots, sure. but need to get a big time guy in this draft, imo.

Thought Texans would go with Prince. Doesn't look like that's the case.

J.J. Watt is a football player.

hopefully vikings take a qb. dalton, maybe?

i think its hand jobs all around in the lions' war room.

does fairly make sense? i think yes.

whitlock ripped him after the nc saying he had terrible technique. not popular at the time but apparently he's vindicated. i guess with schwartz we'll know for sure if he is available. he knows a thing or two about dline, i hear.

schwartz says whitlock is an idiot.

i like this. best d-line, ever.

im fairly impressed with this pick.

Well the db situation won't be as noticeable with the inside push... cheat on the short passes and challenge the QB to hold it long enough.
Should lead to more time on the field for the offense.

They made that pick quick too. That was "I can't fucking believe he's sitting there at 13 for us."

Kind of similar to the Greg Monroe pick.

Kind of similar to the Greg Monroe pick.

i can see that, except monroe was more of an absolute need whereas fairly was just by far bpa. i think everyone in the football universe likes this pick for the lions, except maybe jay cutler. if you need him, he'll shitting for the next 6 months.

apparently, the football dork world is abuzz because ron gilbert's mock is a little crazy. apparently, he is considered the most connected mock drafter around.

that draft was actually rick gosselin's (got name wrong originally). gotta say im impressed. godselin?

for reference:


. Carolina - Cam Newton
2. Denver - Von Miller
3. Buffalo - Marcell Dareus
4. Cincy - A.J. Green
5. Arizona - Patrick Peterson
6. Cleveland - Julio Jones
7. San Fran - Blaine Gabbert
8. Tennessee - Jake Locker
9. Dallas - Tyron Smith
10. Washington - Christian Ponder
11. Houston - Aldon Smith
12. Minnesota - Andy Dalton
13. Detroit - Nick Fairley
14. St. Louis - Mark Ingram
15. Miami - Mike Pouncey
16. Jacksonville - Ryan Kerrigan
17. New England - Cam Jordan
18. San Diego - Corey Liuget
19. New York Giants - Nate Solder
20. Tampa Bay - Robert Quinn
21. KC - Gabe Carimi
22. Indy - Anthony Castonzo
23. Philly - Jimmy Smith
24. New Orleans - Adrian Clayborn
25. Seattle - Prince Amukamara
26. Baltimore - JJ Watt
27. Atlanta - Phil Taylor
28. New England - Danny Watkins
29. Chicago - Marvin Austin
30. New York Jets - Derrick Sherrod
31. Pittsburgh - Cameron Heyward
32. Green Bay - Aaron Williams

I like the NBA Draft so much better. Way more mystery/intrigue.

And no Berman.

parrallel?

in the late 90's the lions passed on a talented but troubled players in favor of terry fair. a pick later, despite being loaded at his position, vikings take randy moss.

this year, vikings pass on talents but troubled nick fairly. pick later, despite being loaded at dline, lions select him.

hopefully this one wroks out just as well.

Fairly rated near top in quickness, vs the run & vs the pass.
Did not participate in the weight lifting?

And no Berman.

But there is Stu.

Who's that slam piece next to Castonzo?

What a tool. Definitely right for the Colts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev_4Ct1yuEs

WTF are the Ravens doing?

Berman = Fred Flintstone.

I can't believe that I didn't notice this before.

This broadcast is a mess.

Those pricks in Chicago tried to fuck us.

God damn right.

Oh no, Rosenhaus!

Ingram doesn't end up a Pat. Woo!

We're graduating from the "Silver Rush" to the "Gold Rush"

Not many impact players in the last 10 years (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/history/_/year/-1/round/-1/team/8)

@reggie_bush (https://twitter.com/reggie_bush) It's been fun New Orleans.

Trolling, IMO.

RavensInsider
Bears GM Jerry Angelo told Chicago reporters: "I called Baltimore and did apologize to Baltimore. I told them it was my fault."

I tell you what, Goose knows his shit.

Now, Nick Fairley, dude is a top 3-5 talent in this draft. If Suh/KVB keep him in check, we will terrorize the NFCN QBs for a long, long time. Sorry for not being around last night but it's a tradition to get drunken with my buddies.

Sorry for not being around last night but it's a tradition to get drunken with my buddies.

http://www.wtfdetroit.com/forums/image.php?u=1005&dateline=1304054289

Just heard on ESPN Radio that Fairley had 33 people in his entourage last night.

The line was scary as is, now it's bukdow's wife.

So, what do you Lions fans think of Titus Young?

indifferent towards the player but hate the position. he better be a kick ass wr to justify this one.

putting my meltdown last season aside, mayhew honestly has shown very little in his tenure.

he upgraded the absolute dogshit he inheritted, sure, but has he shown to be a good gm? above average? average? i think not.

yea, suh was awesome as a rookie. but 1) suh's greatness isnt exactly a reflection on mayhew, and 2) not taking an lt directly led to stafford's injuries.

there are significant red flags all over his moves, and we still have gaping holes everywhere.

i loved the fairley pick, but 24 hours later im scratching my head again.

last years picks
1) suh: great, but...
2) best: maybe great, but...
3) spievey, failure at cb, questionable convert to safety.

draft #1 was even more questionable.

he's better than millen, no question. but im not convinced he's good, by any means.

Torrey Smith, woot!

Ravens need a guy with size, and Smith's only 6'0", but he's fast. I like it.

Disappointed... hope we got FA cash to address our real needs.

Mouton!

Mouton to the Chargers, interesting.

FRANCO

OT!!!

yeah, day twos and three are far more interesting...

Wonder if Pouncey had anything to do with that?

Skins have 10 picks tomorrow, lol. I bet 8 of them turn out to be crap.

BOLD Prediction: McElroy is drafted before Mallett.

Patriots taking Mallett. lmfao

the lashore pick i like. i thought he mightve gone first round.

Mort: Mallett has a high football IQ.

What about his accumen?!

Really like this Curtis Brown "kid" we picked up, Glan.

im pretty psyched about lashoure.

figured rb would be better regardless, assuming best is healthy. but quite happy not to have to watch kevin smith anymore. watching them try to get him productive was painful. i know he was coming off an injury but his whole season was an abortion. an abortion, michael.

http://www.movieactors.com/freezeframes33/godfathertwo410.jpeg

yea, suh was awesome as a rookie. but 1) suh's greatness isnt exactly a reflection on mayhew, and 2) not taking an lt directly led to stafford's injuries.
How in any way is that a direct correlation? I see absolutely no logic for that statement?? The tackles taken may not be busts but they certainly didn't play any better than Backus last year and I feel most would argue that they played SIGNIFICANTLY worse than he did. I don't think Okung had even played yet the week Stafford went down?

And how does Suh's greatness not reflect on Mayhew?? I feel that the Suh pick was a no-brainer, but if you want to imply that he shouldn't have taken Suh, as if there was some question about the pick, then by no means can you then say that he shouldn't get credit for taking him. It's one way or the other.





last years picks
1) suh: great, but...But what?? You're really happy he took him? Cuz I am....




there are significant red flags all over his moves, and we still have gaping holes everywhere.I see our gaping holes currently to be 3-4 out of 6 spots at CB and LB. Other spots may not be great but at least they're passable. Before he took over I feel the holes were pretty much at about 16 of 22 spots. What am I missing?

Sorry, don't mean to be so argumentative but all I see is massive improvement pretty much across the board on the roster since he took over and if you see something I'm not, please tell me.

not taking an offensive lineman did not directly lead to Stafford's injury. b-diddy is still an idiot. no idea how to build a football team.

Love the draft so far. I wonder if we trade a 2012 pick to take any players earlier on today than the 5th.

b-diddy, you still never said what you would have done differently as GM. You say he's not a good GM when almost every single step he's made has been for the long-term betterment of the franchise. Some of the things he have done have been downright dirty in a good way, trading late rounders for starters, picking guys up off waivers and trading them, etc. You appear to have no recollection of any of this.

I'm a little disappointed with our draft. I am ok with the players that we took and I feel that we got very good value out of the picks. My disappointment is in trading up instead of down and not going more for immediate need. Our linebackers are pretty awful past Levy. If Houston leaves, we won't even be mediocre in the secondary. This team is starting to look like it could really be dominant defensively with a few more pieces and I would liked to have seen that happen in this draft. I would have traded down in the 2nd and added a 3rd.

LBs I would have liked to have taken in the 3rd: M. Wilson, S. Acho, M Foster, G. Jones
DBs I would have liked: C. Brown, B. Harris, Gilcrist
WRs: Hankerson or Cobb (and Young if he were avail.late 2nd)

We definitely could have used another offensive lineman and although way outside the box, I would have taken Mallet in the 3rd. I think Hill sucks and I don't have any confidence in Stafford's shoulder. Mallet is a steal in the 2nd as either a potential future QB or to trade.

Overall I give the Lions a C. Nice value but didn't address the most pressing needs. I just hope we can add those pieces in FA.

i dont want to get into this again, but whatever stats you guys are using to suggest that the offensive line is quality are flawed. heres a stat to look at: times qbs were injured. cuz the lions had to win this category running away last year.

maybe we have bad luck. maybe ford field causes injuries. or maybe the lion's offensive line really has just sucked and stats dont accurately reflect the shittiness that is jeff backus et al. would trent williams or okung have done better? mcnabb managed to stay upright last year. so did hasselbeck. both guys are old. we had young, old, and in between get ripped up last year.

no one said mayhew isnt doing better than millen, but thats a very low standard to judge by.

yea, he hit on suh. but right now you have to say he absolutely whiffed on stafford.

pettigrew and delmas werent bad, but always get injured, and in the case of pettigrew you definitely have to question the value of the pick, especially with oher being taken a pick later.

i dont think anyone else from that draft is still on the team. you need to get something after the 33rd pick in the draft, especially if your building off of nothing.

last year we get suh, but by the second pick its already questionable. best is exciting but based on potential. spievey was a failure at cb and bad at safety. hopefully fox pans out.

imo, thats not a whole lot from two drafts where we could have taken BPA at literally every pick without worrying about the guy the pick would replace.

im pretty sure if i said going into this draft that we'd come out with a dt, a 3rd wr, and a backup running back people would be pretty disappointed. not exactly addressing needs that this team had in spades.

Backus sucks, period. And not taking at least 1 LB in the first 3 rounds is ridiculous. Our D line is a strength, so we draft another DL. We have 2 solid WRs and we take another one. Just crazy. And what about CBs?

Hellooooooo, DoucheNozzles.......wake the fuck up.

LOL @ "Jacquizz".

No Berman is good, but 4 minutes in and Dilfer is already wearing on me.

Surprising that Herzlich is still available. Would be cool if he dropped to the Ravens, but I dunno if that's going to happen.

McShay and Dilfer. blehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I've said this before, but I bet McShay's bros call him "T-Mac"

Getting sick of these chowds talking about capicola.

Are there any good pass rushers left, DrRay? Chris Carter any good?

Greg Salas, WR Hawaii, would be pretty nice, too. Heard he's good with his hands.

Whatshisface that played for Hawaii and is now on the Dolphins has turned out to be a pretty nice player.

Pretty nice.

Rams should draft Salas here.

Another "weapon" for Bradfuck.

ISWYDT

FUCK YOU, ST. LOUIS RAMS!!!!!

I like this Greg Salas kid. He's got excellent ball skills and playmaking ability. He'll contribute big flavors to this St. Louis Rams football team.

KNegandhiESPN
"If Cam Newton doesn't succeed, blame it on the coaches, not on Cam, it's about developing him" -Trent Dilfer

Dilfer's taking this shit over.

Vince must have decided to shoot him to the moon.

Rams are going to be nice. If Donnie Avery and Mark Clayton can stay healthy, and our defense shows up on most Sundays, we can make a run for the playoffs.

Raheem Morris is awesome, plain and simple. Dude is definitely coaching the "All-ZBeau Team".

(if we can't get Mike Tomlin)

Making a grilled cheese for my son while watching the draft. Will tell him that I'm taking him to Flavor Town.

I like this Tandon Doss pick. He's got a high football accumen, with tremendous ball skills and proper pad level to boot.

NECK TAT, NOT LIKING THIS ANYMORE

Cortez the Killer.

Solid draft for my steelers.

Packers get even more loaded on offense, holy shit.

how's sparty doing in the draft.

last point about the current regime.

the debate boils down to drafting need or bpa. the lions openly say, and do draft bpa. it makes sense if you expect one to have a much better career than the other, but imo their evaluating process is questionable.

they took young at a time when very few LBs or CBs had been taken in the draft. very, very few. do the lions really expect only a handful of lbs and cbs to be productive out of the draft? i dont.

who's had a better career to this point between pettigrew and oher? how's derrick williams career coming along?

Lions just wasted their 5th rd. pick. Hogue is a pretty crappy LB in just about every scouting report. Would have much rather had Sturdivant at LB, Lefeged at S, or Ziemba at OT.

Greg Jones still on the board?

from what i've gathered hogue is a little raw, but nice athlete with lots of potential.

seeing michigan on every big ten player's highlight clip makes me want to puke.

Liked Tyrod at VTech. He's committed to playing QB, I guess, but I think he could fill a Brad Smith role nicely on this team.

Chris L. Rucker to the Colts. First Sparty off the board?

Greg Jones already went, apparently.

SLAM PIECE alert!! Next to McElroy.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQITH8Od9mTpejrlzXIwCFTDslpBEJ_D H1tEFLzp8_77UJtVxW9Xg&t=1

her?

my mistake. thats erin.

this is the slam piece in question, i believe

http://www.hailtothee.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/lilmcelroy.jpg

Looked better on TV, still

re: #160, micknugget

drafting for immediate need = failure/Millen

None of the DBs after Smith/Prince/Peterson were going to fill what we need, a true number 1 cornerback in a press-man scheme.

Hankerson fucking sucks. Bryant Johnson part two.

Greg Jones does not fit our LB profile: big, fast. I feel like that's why we pass on Herzlich continually as well. Doug Hogue might be another Deandre Levy in a year or two.

This draft gets an A from me. Great stuff. I wrote a few months ago how Titus fit the burner role. LeShoure was up there with Ingram as my number one power back. Fairley is a top 5 talent.

The draft is damn gravy. Let's go hard after Jonathan Joseph, re-sign Chris Houston, and we're set at CB. So close to competing for the playoffs.

If Drew Stanton stays healthy...

i like picks fairly, lashoure, hogue, and catbreathe. im not freaking out about the scondary, and i've given up on this crew realizing that our o-line sucks. but i did want them to go LB much sooner than they did. if young is a homerun, nevermind. but we just traded ernie simms (who, i believe was pretty solid for the eagles) for a TE because the two te set was supposed to be the way to go, or something. well, te in question did dick and you dont often use a 2 te, 3 wr set. in the transaction process, were -1 lb, when we should be +1 by my math.

I think we traded Ernie Sims because he sucks and didn't want to be here.

Tomlin blinks way too much.

I think we traded Ernie Sims because he sucks and didn't want to be here.

And was going to leave anyway.

re: #160, micknugget

drafting for immediate need = failure/Millen

None of the DBs after Smith/Prince/Peterson were going to fill what we need, a true number 1 cornerback in a press-man scheme.

Hankerson fucking sucks. Bryant Johnson part two.

Greg Jones does not fit our LB profile: big, fast. I feel like that's why we pass on Herzlich continually as well. Doug Hogue might be another Deandre Levy in a year or two.

This draft gets an A from me. Great stuff. I wrote a few months ago how Titus fit the burner role. LeShoure was up there with Ingram as my number one power back. Fairley is a top 5 talent.

The draft is damn gravy. Let's go hard after Jonathan Joseph, re-sign Chris Houston, and we're set at CB. So close to competing for the playoffs.

Def needed depth at RB. LeShoure will def get snaps next year.

I like the idea of adding a WR, but damn, that early, when we need 2 LBrs?

How do we fill the LBr hole?

^ and :)

re: #160, micknugget

drafting for immediate need = failure/Millen

None of the DBs after Smith/Prince/Peterson were going to fill what we need, a true number 1 cornerback in a press-man scheme.

Hankerson fucking sucks. Bryant Johnson part two.

Greg Jones does not fit our LB profile: big, fast. I feel like that's why we pass on Herzlich continually as well. Doug Hogue might be another Deandre Levy in a year or two.

This draft gets an A from me. Great stuff. I wrote a few months ago how Titus fit the burner role. LeShoure was up there with Ingram as my number one power back. Fairley is a top 5 talent.

The draft is damn gravy. Let's go hard after Jonathan Joseph, re-sign Chris Houston, and we're set at CB. So close to competing for the playoffs.

There's a difference between drafting solely based on need and ignoring those needs entirely. I like the leshoure pick and the move up to get him. I think that we could have moved down in the second and still got Young plus another pick or two. There were several good LB's left in the later rounds if you don't like Greg Jones. I really like Sturdivant who is fast as heck and went in the early 6th rd. I also don't like the Hogue pick when Ziemba was still on the board and is touted as a solid starter at RT in most scouting reports. I also like the safety Lefeged who runs a 4.42 and is just under 6' and 210 lbs. We need a 4.4 guy in nickle packages. he went undrafted so hopefully we can pick him up. i also wouldn't have minded picking up Mcelroy as he is a real steal in the 7th (or 5th or 6th for that matter) and I have zero confidence in ANY of our QBs staying healthy.

I still give the draft a C. We still need a LB (or 2) an OL, and a CB thru trade or FA.

There's a difference between drafting solely based on need and ignoring those needs entirely. I like the leshoure pick and the move up to get him. I think that we could have moved down in the second and still got Young plus another pick or two. There were several good LB's left in the later rounds if you don't like Greg Jones. I really like Sturdivant who is fast as heck and went in the early 6th rd. I also don't like the Hogue pick when Ziemba was still on the board and is touted as a solid starter at RT in most scouting reports. I also like the safety Lefeged who runs a 4.42 and is just under 6' and 210 lbs. We need a 4.4 guy in nickle packages. he went undrafted so hopefully we can pick him up. i also wouldn't have minded picking up Mcelroy as he is a real steal in the 7th (or 5th or 6th for that matter) and I have zero confidence in ANY of our QBs staying healthy.

I still give the draft a C. We still need a LB (or 2) an OL, and a CB thru trade or FA.

That about sums it up for me. Well said.

I might go B- or C+.

Have there been any pressers with Fairley, is he happy to be a Lion?

After pushing for O linemen for the past 8 drafts it's time to give up any hope for help thru the draft... looks like the much needed run blocking and pass protection will have to come from FAs... can we at least give Backus his red slip and be done with the personal QB wrecker.
I'm ok with bringing in a tackle that has had some success in the L vs the unproven upstart

I'm about 98% certain Backus will be starting at LT to begin the year.

There's a difference between drafting solely based on need and ignoring those needs entirely. I like the leshoure pick and the move up to get him. I think that we could have moved down in the second and still got Young plus another pick or two. There were several good LB's left in the later rounds if you don't like Greg Jones. I really like Sturdivant who is fast as heck and went in the early 6th rd. I also don't like the Hogue pick when Ziemba was still on the board and is touted as a solid starter at RT in most scouting reports. I also like the safety Lefeged who runs a 4.42 and is just under 6' and 210 lbs. We need a 4.4 guy in nickle packages. he went undrafted so hopefully we can pick him up. i also wouldn't have minded picking up Mcelroy as he is a real steal in the 7th (or 5th or 6th for that matter) and I have zero confidence in ANY of our QBs staying healthy.

I still give the draft a C. We still need a LB (or 2) an OL, and a CB thru trade or FA.

I like Lefeged a little, also, and wouldn't mind picking him up.

Ziemba is fucking terrible if you watched his senior bowl practices. Lead feet. He will have to play guard to have any chance in the league.

The OL was top ten in pass protection last year. The problem is that Backus still has his mental lapses where people go right by him. Hopefully none of those get our QB killed this year.

Who were the good LBs left late in the draft that would fit our system? Keep in mind the profile: An inch or two over six feet, 240-250 pounds, 4.6ish speed. Play either right or left, not strong or weak.

I like Lefeged a little, also, and wouldn't mind picking him up.

Ziemba is fucking terrible if you watched his senior bowl practices. Lead feet. He will have to play guard to have any chance in the league.

The OL was top ten in pass protection last year. The problem is that Backus still has his mental lapses where people go right by him. Hopefully none of those get our QB killed this year.

Who were the good LBs left late in the draft that would fit our system? Keep in mind the profile: An inch or two over six feet, 240-250 pounds, 4.6ish speed. Play either right or left, not strong or weak.

I really liked Martez Wilson. He's 6'4" and runs a 4.42 40. He went #72 (3rd rd.) and was projected as a late 1st/early 2nd rd pick.

Mason Foster was another guy at 6'1"+ who went 84th and was ranked on some reports as the #1 ILB.

Chris Carter at 6'1"+ runs the 40 in 4.58 and went in the 5th rd. at 162.

Quan Sturdivant (4.55 and 6'1") went 171st (6th rd.).

I would have liked us to spend a future pick to get one of these guys (Carter or Sturdivant) or in hindsight, i bet we could have traded down a few spots in the 2nd, still got Young, and maybe picked up a 3rd (or a 4th and then trade up nto the 3rd) to get Wilson or Foster. Of course this is all in hindsight.

It looks like all of the experts agree, the Lions did well in the draft, got very good value for their picks but ignored some glaring needs that will have to be addressed or the team will struggle.

Forgot to mention they have to be good in pass coverage, too ... Sturdivant and Chris Carter are eliminated then. Mason Foster is a solid prospect, I may have liked to see him in the late 3rd or after. LeShoure, for example, I have graded as about 8.5 RB, where Foster is about a 7.5 LB. If they were rated the same, they may have chosen to take the position of need. Mayhew and Schwartz has said that, among a group of similarly talented prospects, they would take need. But I didn't see any situations where that was the case.

I had Martez Wilson rated as my no. 1 LB for this scheme, but apparently he has a neck issue and I understand that this regime is very risk-averse (Mayhew calls it "calculated risk").

Forgot to mention they have to be good in pass coverage, too ... Sturdivant and Chris Carter are eliminated then. Mason Foster is a solid prospect, I may have liked to see him in the late 3rd or after. LeShoure, for example, I have graded as about 8.5 RB, where Foster is about a 7.5 LB. If they were rated the same, they may have chosen to take the position of need. Mayhew and Schwartz has said that, among a group of similarly talented prospects, they would take need. But I didn't see any situations where that was the case.

I had Martez Wilson rated as my no. 1 LB for this scheme, but apparently he has a neck issue and I understand that this regime is very risk-averse (Mayhew calls it "calculated risk").

For 5th round and later picks, Sturdivant and Carter are very good values and would have helped. You're not going to get everything you want in the 5th-7th rds but you can at least get players who can play and develop into better players. I also still think that Wilson would be worth the risk.

Doug Hogue might be everything they wanted. Time will tell. Most of us hadn't heard of DeAndre Levy hadn't heard of him when he was drafted, either. Let's wait and see if Doug Hogue can be that type of pick, too, before saying we should have drafted Carter and Sturdivant just because we've heard of them.

Having Hogue AND one of the other guys is my point. If the Lions were ever going to trade a 2012 pick or two (3rd-7th round) for picks in this draft, you would think that this would be the year based on need and the lockout which will shorten FA and doesn't allow signing of undrafted players yet. We need more than one LB, especially if both are projects.

We don't need more than one LB if Tulloch is signed. He'd surely start, IMO, with the other spot going to the winner of Palmer/Carpenter.

I do expect us to sign at least one OLB in free agency, be it Tulloch or whomever.