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Glenn
01-11-2011, 12:23 PM
Seeing some reports that Miles is staying at LSU.

Glenn
01-11-2011, 12:24 PM
Free Press source confirms Miles will stay at LSU. Story will be posted shortly.

Rosenberg

Glenn
01-11-2011, 12:26 PM
Go get COWHER.

Timone
01-11-2011, 12:33 PM
Les is NOT more!

b-diddy
01-11-2011, 12:35 PM
ugh. this is an absolute disaster.

i realize bringing RR back would have been tough after the bowl showing, but keeping him and making major changes with the defense would have been so much better than what we have now.

david brandon is coming off as a world class baffoon. if les indeed does stay at lsu, that leaves us with almost certainly settling on hoke. i actually would be fine with hoke, but the perception (rightly so) is that michigan is settling on its last choice. not exactly going to make things easy on him.

we look really bad here. oh well. that evil rich rodriguez is gone. im sure that will atleast make some people happy.

b-diddy
01-11-2011, 12:45 PM
im sure dave brandon will get a big "thank you" from les miles' agent out of this. so you cant say this was all a complete waste.

Tahoe
01-11-2011, 12:50 PM
ugh. this is an absolute disaster.

i realize bringing RR back would have been tough after the bowl showing, but keeping him and making major changes with the defense would have been so much better than what we have now.

david brandon is coming off as a world class baffoon. if les indeed does stay at lsu, that leaves us with almost certainly settling on hoke. i actually would be fine with hoke, but the perception (rightly so) is that michigan is settling on its last choice. not exactly going to make things easy on him.

we look really bad here. oh well. that evil rich rodriguez is gone. im sure that will atleast make some people happy.

Yessir! Well said.

Tahoe
01-11-2011, 12:55 PM
Replacing Brandon sounds good to me.

b-diddy
01-11-2011, 01:16 PM
me too. people were convinced RR was overmatched for the job. i was never so sure.

but pizza boy is making the last go at regime change seem ideal.

at this point, how do you even convince the players not to transfer. some will stay just for the university. but if i view myself as an athlete first, im gone.

Glenn
01-11-2011, 01:34 PM
Now that Miles rejected them, I wouldn't be surprised to see a quick hire to stop the bleeding (from PR/media/recruiting/player retention standpoints).

Fuck a Hoke.

Tahoe
01-11-2011, 01:40 PM
ESPN did say that Brandon still says he will not rush the process.

b-diddy
01-11-2011, 01:53 PM
Now that Miles rejected them, I wouldn't be surprised to see a quick hire to stop the bleeding (from PR/media/recruiting/player retention standpoints).

Fuck a Hoke.

looks like your right. since we need a coach ASAP it makes sense. but doesnt this make us look even more desperate?

feels a bit like planning a nice dinner out and ending up staying in and eating day old dominos.

good luck brady, but "we'll be doing this again in 4 years".

Glenn
01-11-2011, 04:04 PM
Brady Hoke named Michigan football's next head coach (full release on MGoBlue.com): http://ow.ly/3C5CN #goblue

Glenn
01-11-2011, 04:11 PM
So depressing.

b-diddy
01-11-2011, 04:12 PM
i welcome the news. of course, i wanted RR to be kept on, but the more i've read on hoke the more i've liked him. i think people got a little star struck by some of the other names.

during the bowl game, craig james was really praising hoke. said he would be the better hire than harbaugh.

then, of course, my boy whitlock favors hoke as well: http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/brady-hoke-not-jim-harbaugh-is-perfect-coach-for-michigan-wolverines-010711

its not he most exciting hire, but it could be a very good one. but brandon has lost credibility with me. to me, it appears he does not have strong control of the program, or a good grasp of how to be an effective AD.

Glenn
01-11-2011, 04:13 PM
JUST WAIT UNTIL BRADY HOKE GETS INTO THOSE LIVING ROOMS

Glenn
01-11-2011, 04:14 PM
We have an Artie Lange/Mike Golic lookalike for a head coach. Awesome.

Timone
01-11-2011, 04:18 PM
Cowher was never a possibility, bro.

Get over it!

b-diddy
01-11-2011, 04:37 PM
during the press conference will brandon mention how hard he tried to get miles and harbaugh?

Tahoe
01-11-2011, 04:45 PM
^ If I hear him say, "Brady is the guy we wanted all along" I will puke.

Tahoe
01-11-2011, 04:45 PM
^ On a couple of different levels.

Timone
01-11-2011, 04:46 PM
Third time's the charm for Les?

b-diddy
01-11-2011, 04:49 PM
^ If I hear him say, "Brady is the guy we wanted all along" I will puke.

maybe he'll mention we could still get harbaugh or miles in the future.

Glenn
01-11-2011, 04:54 PM
^ If I hear him say, "Brady is the guy we wanted all along" I will puke.

"He was just the best fit."

Vinny
01-11-2011, 05:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SmC8sobdNI&feature=player_embedded

Hoke-A-Mania!

Timone
01-11-2011, 05:22 PM
Face, meet palm!

Timone
01-11-2011, 05:45 PM
SDSU had the 20th ranked scoring offense (UM 26th), 35th ranked (UM 108th) scoring defense last season.

BUT WHO DID THEY PLAY!?

Glenn
01-11-2011, 05:59 PM
cHoke

Timone
01-11-2011, 06:02 PM
SDSU plays UM in 2011.

Tahoe
01-11-2011, 06:06 PM
Les has something like 18million guaranteed at LSU. Kind of can't blame the guy.

Timone
01-11-2011, 06:10 PM
Hey, this Brady thing might actually work out!

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/brady-at-um.jpg

Jethro34
01-11-2011, 06:55 PM
Good news and bad news.

Good news, we don't have to hear crap from old crusty alum about a Michigan Man anymore, the defense will not be competing for worst in the country, and the process is finally over.
Hoke at SDSU last year inherited crap and went out and beat everyone but Missouri, BYU, TCU, and Utah - which he lost to by a COMBINED 15 points! Remember when Missouri was ranked in the top 10? They beat SDSU by 3, in Missouri. BYU had a down year but they were a bowl team and that, too, was a road game for SDSU and a 3 point loss. AT #3 TCU IT WAS A 5 POINT GAME, IN WHICH SDSU PUT UP 35 AGAINST THAT DEFENSE! Then the following week lost by 4 at home to Utah. SDSU did not lose to any bad teams.

Ok, bad news. Last year was the highest ranked recruiting class he has ever had, coming in at #77. He hates the spread offense and Denard is likely gone, along with multiple more recruits and current players. Back to playing with smallish scholarship numbers. This will take a while. Remember Lloyd ball and falling asleep in spite of winning at least 8 games every year? That's what we'll have in a few years.

I think Hoke will be successful and the snobs that drive the program will be content in time, but he really, really needs to bring in some great assistants who can recruit like crazy. Loeffler would be a really good start. He's looking for work after not being retained by the new staff at Florida. He will bring recruiting help and may be able to convince Hoke to use spread offense but make a gradual transition. Hoke should bring Fred Jackson back as well. This is a must. Gotta keep someone that has survived the past two staffs and is fantastic with recruits.

b-diddy
01-11-2011, 08:03 PM
not so fast.

1) hoke is rumored to be bringing in his OC from the OC. dont think it will be loeffler.

2) initial reports are there will be no transfers. we'll see if that holds true, but i think denard would prefer to stay put. im sure he'll atleast talk with hoke. it would be stupid not to keep that guy.

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this hiring is getting a ton of good pub. i really am positive about it. just not happy with the execution. brandon is claiming he never offered to miles or harbaugh. not sure too many people will buy that one.

it'll be intersting to see hwo recruiting finishes. the only buzz i know right now is heavy michigan lean kris frost committed to auburn, who may not have room to accept. if so, we're back in that picture big time.

i'd also think zettel could be back in play. PSU's DC left, iirc. gotta think he'd be happy to come to AA with a defensive minded HC.

b-diddy
01-11-2011, 08:09 PM
al borges being the OC i referenced.

this is from his wikipedia page:


Borges is known for quarterback development[2] having mentored Cade McNown and Jason Campbell, both first round NFL draft picks.[2][3] Borges has been described as "one of the best offensive coordinators I've ever seen," by former Auburn head coach Pat Dye.[4]

Jethro34
01-12-2011, 07:11 AM
Would Loeffler, who also mentored multiple draft picks (who probably had more total success than those two), return as QB coach? It's all he's ever been.

Tahoe
01-12-2011, 01:47 PM
Brady Hoke leaves the podium and Brandon takes the mic.

Timone
01-12-2011, 01:51 PM
I was on an Iowa board reading what some of those peeps had to say. Some of them seem to be concerned.

b-diddy
01-12-2011, 01:53 PM
conference started a little unpolished but hoke was killing it by the end. anyone luke warm on the hire has to be atleast pleased that he said everything right. dont know how good he is at x's and o's, but i think recruiting wont be an issue.

i hate to say RR wasnt a good fit, since i still like him, but hoke seems like a perfect one.

love that he said he'd fit his offense to denard. love that he didnt let sharpe put words in his mouth.

i feel like the media was pretty hostile towards RR from the beginning. its going to be the complete opposite with the hokester.

and with the way this schedule lines up, its gonna get loud this fall.

Tahoe
01-12-2011, 02:04 PM
I wanted the splashy hire...obviously Hoke isn't a high profile hire. But it wouldn't surprise me one bit if gets it done at UofM. He seems like a true blue UofMer. I'm also warming on the hire...whomever said that earlier.

Timone
01-12-2011, 02:05 PM
That was me.

Tahoe
01-12-2011, 02:06 PM
Nah, I think it was bukdow.

Tahoe
01-12-2011, 02:06 PM
^ joking btw...it was you.

WTFchris
01-12-2011, 02:13 PM
How would you describe the SDSU offense? What type is it? Even Rich Rod's I wouldn't describe as a true spread. He runs the ball a lot (just not a traditional formation) where some spreads are mostly passing attacks.

Glenn
01-12-2011, 02:16 PM
I fell hard for RR, I won't be fooled again.

That said, Hoke's my guy now.

Tahoe
01-12-2011, 02:16 PM
GARY MOELLER!

Timone
01-12-2011, 02:17 PM
^Is Les still banging his wife?

Tahoe
01-12-2011, 02:18 PM
How would you describe the SDSU offense? What type is it? Even Rich Rod's I wouldn't describe as a true spread. He runs the ball a lot (just not a traditional formation) where some spreads are mostly passing attacks.

More pro than spread, imo.

b-diddy
01-12-2011, 02:31 PM
I fell hard for RR, I won't be fooled again.

That said, Hoke's my guy now.

my expectations are lower. RR was hired to win us a national championship, hoke is here just to make us a good team again.

Glenn
01-12-2011, 02:45 PM
Heart attack by 2013?

Timone
01-12-2011, 02:46 PM
Pete Carroll should be available by then.

Tahoe
01-12-2011, 02:48 PM
Hoke was def stressin that top button his shirt. He's a big dude.

Tahoe
01-12-2011, 03:14 PM
Something I like about the hire is that Hoke hasn't made a mark for himself yet. So he is motivated to make it personally while bringing Michigan back too.

Timone
01-12-2011, 03:15 PM
Hoke was def stressin that top button his shirt. He's a big dude.

physical presence

DE
01-12-2011, 03:44 PM
I'm no die-hard UofM fan but I've got some Walmart in me. This has always been the right hire. Don't get me wrong, if Harbaugh wanted to be at Michigan and make it a 20 year powerhouse then he was perfect. But there's no way a guy whose brother coaches in the NFL and played in the NFL for as long as he did turns down NFL jobs.

Someone said it right, RR was brought in to win National Championships. The problem is that unfortunately you can't just make that your first goal. And there's more to it than just a flashy offense. It's no coincidence that the SEC owns both the BCS and at the same time is the Conference with the largest number of sleazebag coaches (and Miles happens to be in that group; there's not just some SEC taint on the dude, but some good pro-active sleaze).

I think it's possible to be elite and not be like the SEC. UofM needs to beat Ohio State regularly, win Big Ten championships and compete in the top four BCS to be elite. It was about finding a guy who can do that by building a program. Is Hoke that guy? No freaking clue. I wish Zip were around for that. But if I were a bigger Walmart guy I'd at least be pleased with the criteria used in hiring the guy.

Tahoe
01-12-2011, 04:32 PM
Peeps going crazy over Hokes performance at the presser... I'm a lil perplexing, I'm perplexed. He answered questions really well, but it wasn't that great. Settle down peeps.

b-diddy
01-12-2011, 04:43 PM
he basically was perfect, though.

his enthusiasm for the program was palpable.

he channeled bo's "that school in ohio", and said obviously the game at the end of the year means the most.

contrast that to RR's PC "all games are big". i think that statement was as bad for RR as any loss he had here.

Tahoe
01-12-2011, 04:50 PM
I'll have to watch it again.

Glenn
01-12-2011, 05:50 PM
HE HIT THE PODIUM

Fool
01-12-2011, 06:32 PM
Tahoe has the right perspective on this.

Throngs hating the guy before he was hired, says a couple words and now those throngs like him.

People reaching for hope.

Timone
01-12-2011, 07:24 PM
"It's time to do the Hokey Pokey" sign at the tOSU/UM bb game.

b-diddy
01-12-2011, 07:26 PM
reaching for hoke.

he just interviewed with gus "long time michigan fan" johnson at the ball game and hinted robinson will graduate from UM. seems like he's working hard to sell him.

im telling you, all the little criticisms people had of RR in his tenure (should have kept mallet, being 1a example), they wont have it with this guy. he bleeds blue. pretty cool to see.

b-diddy
01-12-2011, 07:43 PM
robinson at the game!

Tahoe
01-12-2011, 08:50 PM
He could end up having a pretty good year if he can get the D to play. Its not like the B10 is some stellar conference or something.

Timone
01-12-2011, 08:58 PM
Think they'll at least win 7 again, bro?

Tahoe
01-12-2011, 09:00 PM
San Diego St is on the schedge...i hear they have a great coach, ND is also on the preconference schedge. But I agree, 7 should be the bar.

Glenn
01-12-2011, 09:04 PM
He could end up having a pretty good year if he can get the D to play. Its not like the B10 is some stellar conference or something.

TRANSLATION

... if our defense shows up ...

Tahoe
01-12-2011, 09:06 PM
I stepped in a big ol pile of Bukdow.

lospistones
01-13-2011, 10:49 AM
YEAH, awkward that we're playing SDSU.

Jethro34
01-14-2011, 11:14 AM
The good news about playing SDSU is that they lose, I believe, both of their top WR's. Plus, Hoke and the guys that came with him know that team well. Won't have to watch much film. But SDSU only knows tendencies of coaches - they don't know a thing about UM players and film from last year won't do much good.

Jethro34
01-14-2011, 11:20 AM
btw, I realize UM will play 3 games prior to SDSU that will provide tape, I'm just saying advantage UM. UM shouldn't have to show too much against WMU or EMU, and not sure how ND will look. Either way, it would appear next year's schedule is an easy 7 wins, with ND, MSU, Iowa, Nebraska, and tOSU as the potentially tough games.
Then in 2012 we'll really see what Hoke can do. Tough schedule, his first real recruiting class, etc.

b-diddy
01-14-2011, 12:06 PM
iowa and msu both lost a ton, plus cousins is coming back next year. i like both those games for UM.

nebraska will be interesting, right now im hopefull that the pellini / martinez partnership is about to dissolve. without him in top gear, nebraska wasnt too good last year.

im more worried about nd. wish floyd was leaving.

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still no attrition. sounds like we might lose a commit or two, but dont think we'll have the same attrition as last time. robinson and gardner are staying, and tate even plans on getting back into michigan and back on the team by going to CC for a semester. good for him.

Jethro34
01-14-2011, 03:45 PM
Floyd really should leave. I don't believe he's helping his draft stock any by staying, especially when he won't have Rudolph to draw other defenders. UM actually did a decent job on Floyd, and without Rudolph they should be able to game plan for him quite well. (think Calvin Johnson without Pettigrew or Burleson)

Even though UM is likely to lose some recruits (some of them especially painful like Hart), the truth is this was the first year since RR came that they weren't hoping for major contributions from multiple true freshmen. Whether RR or Hoke, I think Hart was the only recruit that was a pretty sure bet to get a lot of, let alone any, playing time. Sure, a stud safety would be nice, but what other position figures to need a new face? I think better defensive coaching and schemes for the D and not fixing what wasn't broken for the O and THIS season should be fine.

I would actually prefer Hoke keep this class smaller if it's the difference between using scholarships on guys that aren't D-1 or having more scholarships to give in future classes. If he can get guys like Zettel to come back somehow and put together a class that isn't horribly deficient in any one position group, it will just be a blip.

lospistones
01-15-2011, 09:04 AM
btw, I realize UM will play 3 games prior to SDSU that will provide tape, I'm just saying advantage UM. UM shouldn't have to show too much against WMU or EMU, and not sure how ND will look. Either way, it would appear next year's schedule is an easy 7 wins, with ND, MSU, Iowa, Nebraska, and tOSU as the potentially tough games.
Then in 2012 we'll really see what Hoke can do. Tough schedule, his first real recruiting class, etc.

I think we continue to dominate ND. I am an eternal optimist and expect 8 or 9 wins. Excited to play Nebraska .

b-diddy
01-18-2011, 01:08 PM
2 of RR's recruits, hart and kris frost, both just got bumped up to 5 stars on rivals. theyre not coming now that hes gone. interesting that they ditch big ten for sec and suddenly they get another star.

Timone
01-18-2011, 06:37 PM
Greg Mattison leaving the Ravens to be DC at uM.

Tahoe
01-18-2011, 06:39 PM
^ Did that just happen?

Timone
01-18-2011, 06:40 PM
I think so.
Pagano Named Defensive Coordinator - Greg Mattison has accepted the coordinator position with the University of Michigan.

Tahoe
01-18-2011, 06:43 PM
It seems like plucking anyone from the Ravens D is a good move.

WTFchris
01-18-2011, 06:46 PM
Never heard of him. At least he comes from a good defensive system not that 3-3-5 BS.

Timone
01-18-2011, 06:46 PM
3rd & 19

:emo kid:

Glenn
01-18-2011, 06:51 PM
AS LONG AS HE CLEANS THE FLACCO OFF OF HIMSELF BEFORE HE STEPS FOOT ON CAMPUS

Tahoe
01-18-2011, 07:39 PM
Wow...this dude? I like it.

http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/011811aab.html

Timone
01-18-2011, 07:44 PM
G-Rob to LSU?

Jethro34
01-18-2011, 08:15 PM
Love this hiring!
UM's 2 top coordinators are both ancient bald eagles, but that are great at what they do and have been recognized nationally for it multiple times. Numerous people wanted young guys, but I would much rather have really really good guys first.
That clown Colin Cowherd was saying today that UM is not an elite job right now, and I agree. Hoke wouldn't have been the hire, likely, if it was an elite job. However, I think it now is back on track with the potential to be an elite job again before too long. With this staff, there's no reason UM can't be amazing before these old dudes are ready to hang it up - at which time it will hopefully be an elite job again, one that really good coaches nationally will want to take to replace them.

Tahoe
01-18-2011, 08:17 PM
Well to pull this cat, 'we' must be somewhat elite.

Jethro34
01-18-2011, 09:04 PM
Just to clarify, here is the haircut du jour for the top UM assistants, as rocked by the 55 year old Borges and 61 year old Mattison
http://blog.al.com/breaking/2007/12/large_al%20b.jpg http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjGMbjzD-G8p4TaI4cHZEBR0H5q6CZlfOF_pXCi_EA6IH0bM1p

Glenn
01-18-2011, 09:05 PM
We hired Rick Majerus?

Tahoe
01-18-2011, 09:07 PM
I really like the way Mattison wears his beanie...its all crooked and stuff.

^ This is the important stuff on the hire.

Jethro34
01-18-2011, 09:07 PM
btw, I hear Terry Bradshaw might be the QB coach.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT88LPZNnd6NB_4uXYfPvXCKhCoyGSIg Pf5QPkakSM-u1svPaCB9g

Timone
01-19-2011, 12:07 AM
Saw this on Twitter:


Mich DC Mattison was 3-1-1 in his previous stint with the Wolverines as D-line coach and DC vs. Ohio St in the mid '90s.

Probably doesn't mean a whole lot, still a "fun fact".

DrRay11
01-19-2011, 09:36 AM
tressel

Timone
01-19-2011, 01:00 PM
I kicked the shit out of 3rd grade dorks like Tressel when I was in high school.

WTFchris
01-19-2011, 01:17 PM
He's had success everywhere it seems.

What was the defense like here in 95-96? I remember having lots of good LB's then and that is his specialty (coached LB's at Ravens until he was DC)

WTFchris
01-19-2011, 01:21 PM
Looks like they had Irons, Ray, Steele, Sword, Woodsen (those are the ones I recognize off the bat). Their defense was ranked 13th in the country in PTS/game with the 9th hardest schedule in the country.

Timone
01-19-2011, 02:16 PM
If he could bring Woodson back, I think "we" might have something.

Jethro34
01-19-2011, 05:16 PM
Well that's just it, time to get some recruits he can use (and hopefully he can do something with the players already there). From what I've read he's strictly a 4-3 guy (cheering), so the front line will likely be Roh as DE full-time, Martin and Van Bergen at DT, and Black on the other end. Of course there's the likelihood they move Will Campbell back to DT, which may mean Van Bergen at DE.
The 3 LB's, I would imagine, would be Demens in the middle - but then what? Fitzgerald? Jones? T. Gordon? My biggest questions apply to the 3 guys that seemed like they were recruited to play LB/S hybrid (Marvin Robinson, Carvin Johnson, Josh Furman). What will become of them? LB or S? It would be great of one of them was faster, more athletic, and more capable than Kovacs. I think Cam Gordon was good the 2nd half of the season and could be good in this new D (unless with his size and the O they want to run they convert him back to WR again). CB's I would imagine will be Woolfolk and Floyd. Those guys, individually, don't seem to suck. It really was those formations. 3-3-5 with 12 yard cushions. Disgusting.

WTFchris
01-19-2011, 05:23 PM
I don't know the recruits at all, but my biggest concern was the LB's. Going as you said from fast small LB's to a more traditional defense will be hard. I think that and the smaller WR's will be the biggest issue before Hoke can bring in the right type of players.

b-diddy
01-19-2011, 05:49 PM
the secondary has to have been the worst i've ever seen. i'd like to have seen them try to jam recievers, since nothing else they tried worked. but im sure it would have been just as futile.

but bringing just 3 on the qb was dumb. they hardly ever blitzed.

there were times in the bowl game we had 3 line backers standing close enough to each other to hold hands.

the personel wasnt good but the scheming was just as bad.

Jethro34
01-19-2011, 07:03 PM
See, a guy like Furman was 6'3", 194 when he was recruited, and ran a 4.4 40. Not sure what he's at now, but I would imagine a redshirt year with Barwis got him over 200. He aught to be able to play bump and run if needed against a bigger WR, or play one of the safety spots. I doubt he added enough size to play LB, since top OLB's are usually at least 240. Robinson, on the other hand, only ran 4.6 but was 6'1", 190 and looked like he had a frame to add plenty. 6'1" is short for most LB's, and he's even lighter at 190, so safety might be the only shot for him.
Basically we have no LB's on the roster who are big enough AND athletic enough. It's either or.

Wilfredo Ledezma
01-19-2011, 07:36 PM
Hopefully Furman isn't another Hawthorne who can't even get on the damn field.

FillyCheezeSteak
01-19-2011, 11:02 PM
Okay, I'm kinda confused, whats wrong with these guys.....

MLB - Kenny Demens, 245 lbs
SLB - J.B. Fitzgerald, 240 lbs
WLB - Isiah Bell, 237 lbs

backups - Brandon Herron (225 lbs), Mike Jones (215 lbs), Kevin Leach (205 lbs), Thomas Gordon (210 lbs)

Other possibilities - Cam Gordon (215 lbs), Josh Furman (210 lbs), Jake Ryan (230 lbs), Jordan Paskorz (245 lbs)

Now, would we all feel better if we had three 5*'s or 4*'s back their playing the position, well yes we would. Demens and Fitzgerald are all but locks to start and Jones was as close to a starter as we had last year before injuring his knee. The question is, what do you do with the tweener guys like Gordon, Gordon, Furman and Carvin Johnson? I think we have enough depth and we have guys that have experience for once. It's kind of nice to know that we actually were able to redshit these guys last year: Wilkins (DE), Paskorz (LB), Ryan (LB), Ash (DT), Talbott (DT) and Furman (S/LB). I think its tough to be a Michigan fan and not drink the kool-aid right now, but until a plan is actually laid out I think its best to just let the coaches coach and go to the spring game and see where all the chips fall.

FillyCheezeSteak
01-19-2011, 11:09 PM
Also, if you put a gun to my head RIGHT NOW, this is what I think our defense looks like.......

DE - Roh, Heininger
DT - RVB, Campbell, Ash
DT - Martin, Talbott
DE - Black, Wilkins
SAM - Fitzgerald, Ryan
MLB - Demens, Leach
WILL - Jones, Bell, Herron
CB - Woolfolk, Avery, Christian
FS - Vinopal, M. Robinson
SS - Kovacs, C. Gordon
CB - Floyd, Talbott

Just my random opinion, I don't know jack sh*t so take it with a grain of salt.

Tahoe
01-20-2011, 12:45 PM
ESPN has a story that Tate tweeted that he's leaving UofM. Seems like most everyone knew it, but Tate?

Timone
01-20-2011, 12:47 PM
No more Taint? What will the MSUckers do!?

Jethro34
01-20-2011, 06:57 PM
Also, if you put a gun to my head RIGHT NOW, this is what I think our defense looks like.......

DE - Roh, Heininger
DT - RVB, Campbell, Ash
DT - Martin, Talbott
DE - Black, Wilkins
SAM - Fitzgerald, Ryan
MLB - Demens, Leach
WILL - Jones, Bell, Herron
CB - Woolfolk, Avery, Christian
FS - Vinopal, M. Robinson
SS - Kovacs, C. Gordon
CB - Floyd, Talbott

Just my random opinion, I don't know jack sh*t so take it with a grain of salt.

I understand that Vinopal and Kovacs have more game day experience, but I would hope Mattison and Co can come up with a system that allows guys far more physically gifted - Robinson and Gordon - to pass over them in the depth chart. Actually, Gordon has the game day experience. It's just Robinson that didn't get the reps.

Jethro34
01-20-2011, 10:05 PM
Also, I've gotta say, I don't get the vibe of Hoke's current recruiting. It seems like it's all about CB's. Aren't there a bunch of them already on the roster and committed? I think what the team needs is LB's, outside WR's, QB depth, an every-down Big Ten back, and a kicker. Hopefully this kid from SD fills the kicker need, but why tell a 4 star WR who could be an outside guy (Lucien - 6'1", 190 lbs) they're only recruiting him as a DB, and then accept a commitment from a kid ESPN is calling a 2 star CB, and by the way other corners are coming in for visits? Seriously, a commit is a commit and, again, I hope the ball is rolling and I realize that 5 stars doesn't mean they automatically make teams awesome (thanks for JT Turner and, so far, Will Campbell) but I'm not familiar with a bunch of teams playing in BCS bowls handing out scholarships to 2 star dudes unless they're kickers.

Tahoe
01-20-2011, 10:50 PM
I thought Borges said there's a bunch of WR's already here.

Big Swami
01-21-2011, 05:20 AM
ESPN has a story that Tate tweeted that he's leaving UofM. Seems like most everyone knew it, but Tate?

Taking his talents to South Beach

Wilfredo Ledezma
01-21-2011, 07:37 AM
I understand that Vinopal and Kovacs have more game day experience, but I would hope Mattison and Co can come up with a system that allows guys far more physically gifted - Robinson and Gordon - to pass over them in the depth chart. Actually, Gordon has the game day experience. It's just Robinson that didn't get the reps.

Vinopal & Kovacs remind me of a poor mans version of those two safeties @ Iowa (Sash & Greenwood)

Jethro34
01-21-2011, 11:51 AM
I thought Borges said there's a bunch of WR's already here.

He did say that, and 3-4 of them are from last year's class, but it seems Borges is at his best when he has guys in the ball park of 6'1" or taller, close to 200 lbs, and running a 4.5 40. That describes Brown and Sampson at SDSU, so it seems like the emphasis will likely be on Stonum, Hemingway, Stokes, and Miller. (J. Robinson has the size, but I don't know about the speed). I wonder how guys like Roundtree and Odoms will be used. I guess my concern is that while it shows that they have plenty, Stonum and Hemingway are gone after this year. Stokes and Miller are unproven. The other guys on the squad don't fit their prototype. Why not tell Lucien, who fits the prototype very well, he can play WR? No matter how many players you sign at a position in one class, it's almost taboo not to get at least one in each class.

Tahoe
01-21-2011, 09:24 PM
Oh.

Jethro34
01-23-2011, 02:20 PM
Also hearing rumors that due to lack of TE depth (none signed in previous 3 classes, I believe) that Miller and/or Jackson might be moving to TE. I think both need added bulk to do that, but Miller is probably the more-ready of the 2. Koger is the primary TE right now. Is Webb graduating? Then Brandon Moore was from the same class as Koger but I think got a red-shirt. I believe that is the sum total of UM TE's. So, again, WR isn't exactly a non-need. It's not as desperate as true TE, QB, or LB, but it is a need.

Glenn
01-23-2011, 03:24 PM
I wonder if Brady Hoke somehow convinced Brandon that he was actually Tom Brady.

Tahoe
01-23-2011, 03:51 PM
Also hearing rumors that due to lack of TE depth (none signed in previous 3 classes, I believe) that Miller and/or Jackson might be moving to TE. I think both need added bulk to do that, but Miller is probably the more-ready of the 2. Koger is the primary TE right now. Is Webb graduating? Then Brandon Moore was from the same class as Koger but I think got a red-shirt. I believe that is the sum total of UM TE's. So, again, WR isn't exactly a non-need. It's not as desperate as true TE, QB, or LB, but it is a need.

Koger is the man though.

FillyCheezeSteak
01-23-2011, 10:15 PM
Jethro, where have you heard that rumor at? I haven't heard that rumor one time since the new staff was brought in. There are currently 6 TE's on the roster and one of the commits over the weekend is rumored to be headed to TE so I'm kind of confused why moving a kid that weighs less than 210 pounds like Jackson to TE makes sense at all? I would venture to guess that Ricardo Miller becomes a star in this offense within 2 years.

Jethro34
01-25-2011, 10:19 PM
I can't recall where I heard it, though my best guess is mgoblog. Yeah, I know. Grain of salt. As for the number of TE's on the team, I don't really count the non-scholarship players. Allspach, Haarer, and Esterline only see the field on game day if the team is Jordan Kovacs desperate, or worse.

As for Jackson, he's a twig but has a decent-sized frame, and I've seen crazier weight gains in college. Not likely, but with his extreme lack of speed it wouldn't be the biggest shocker. Miller really wants to be Braylon, so it probably would take a lot to move him. However, both Jackson and Miller are taller than Frank Clark, who I believe is the HS TE you're referring to.

Gotta love the commitment train rolling on still. Poole and Bellomy give the LB and QB numbers a little relief.

Timone
02-02-2011, 05:05 PM
http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/3rstm.jpeg

Black Dynamite
02-05-2011, 08:16 PM
http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/3rstm.jpeg
Sweet.

Black Dynamite
02-05-2011, 08:22 PM
I liked Hoke. In fact I was impressed with him almost beating michigan with Ball State. Dude imo has gotten the most out of his teams with a hybrid version of the Carr system(much like it, yet willing to adapt and run spread or whatever it needs to) which is a hybrid of the WCO in it's own right. It's a true Bo descendant from a philosophy and coaching standpoint.

I like the hire and hope that the unfortunate circumstances under which he's hired(so late that he's had to grind double time on recruiting) don't hurt his era here.

Also I expect a surprising over turn in defense With the new DC. If these players are truly better than their stats it'll show next year.

Black Dynamite
02-05-2011, 08:23 PM
So depressing.
Why?

Black Dynamite
02-05-2011, 08:24 PM
Cowher was never a possibility, bro.

Get over it!
Oh, nevermind.

Black Dynamite
02-05-2011, 08:26 PM
More pro than spread, imo.

WCO Hybrid that mixes in non WCO plays depending on the scenario. Still WCO philosophy even in the spread with quick passes, screen plays to backs, and involving the TE when he is on the field.

Black Dynamite
02-05-2011, 08:27 PM
my expectations are lower. RR was hired to win us a national championship, hoke is here just to make us a good team again.
LOL, he did nothing even close and you sucked RR cock. I say those were pretty low expectations.

Black Dynamite
02-05-2011, 08:29 PM
TRANSLATION

... if our defense shows up ...
Good, if that were RR it'd be "their defense" or "those guys im not responsible for"