Damn, lost v3.0

Mike McGraw: Pistons G Ben Gordon: "I think right now we probably do need a change, because we’re not playing up to our potential as a team. " (http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html) Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html)

I agree. They should have 15 wins at this point. Inexcusable.

If this Rip->NJ trade happens, we are:
Stuckey/Bynum
Gordon/McGrady
Prince/Daye
Villanueva/Maxiell or Wilcox but should be Jerebko
Wallace/Monroe

That's pretty solid. We have options with Prince/Wilcox, our two summer of 2009 investments are starting, Stuckey and Gordon have their respective theoretical complements, Daye is in the rotation, etc. Once Jerebko's healthy, he should be getting substantial minutes.
My next move would be to get a more pure PG here as a backup, preferably a taller one.
I would try to move Maxiell/Bynum with our lotto pick for a stud PG or C.

After watching Derrick Rose last night, I don't think I'll ever advocate trading a lottery pick again. Especially if there's a chance that it's a top 5.

Really good read. "Stale" is a very good term for this team.

Check out the quotes from CV, Tay & TMac. SHITSTORM worthy, all.

Hamilton left waiting for awkward exit from Detroit : 01/11/11 (http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/steve_aschburner/01/11/carmelo.trade.richard.hamilton/index.html)

nice article

If this Rip->NJ trade happens, we are:
Stuckey/Bynum
Gordon/McGrady
Prince/Daye
Villanueva/Maxiell or Wilcox but should be Jerebko
Wallace/Monroe

That's pretty solid. We have options with Prince/Wilcox, our two summer of 2009 investments are starting, Stuckey and Gordon have their respective theoretical complements, Daye is in the rotation, etc. Once Jerebko's healthy, he should be getting substantial minutes.
My next move would be to get a more pure PG here as a backup, preferably a taller one.
I would try to move Maxiell/Bynum with our lotto pick for a stud PG or C.
I wouldn't be shocked if they started Murphy at the 4.

That's kinda shit stormy.
All else being equal, we should be starting/giving more minutes to the guys that will be here next year.

There'll be no shortage of material for the local writers as the players all take turns making a case for playing time.

“I’ll be ready either way. Of course, Rip is pulling for anything to get out of his current situation. We will see.”

Sounds like Iott just got some good shitstormy quotes for an article he's working on.

Tay's talking, Big Ben's talking, etc.

An example...


Tayshaun Prince after shootaround: "Something needs to change. We're 12-25."

So what happens to Tay for calling Kuester a buffoon?

Jesus, this is a shitstorm.

So what happens to Tay for calling Kuester a buffoon?

Jesus, this is a shitstorm.

quote?

n/m i found it lol

It was interesting listening to Kelser and Blaha talk about how many times over the past two seasons that the Pistons have gone into halftime with a lead only to get smoked at the beginning of the second half. They simply said that the Pistons need to figure that out. We all know that Keuster is just an incredibly poor coach, especially with halftime adjustments. Now, in so many words, it was at least put out there.

Think Rose might be doing some fancy orchestrating of teams and clients? Think Anthony will wind up in New Jersey if Hamilton doesn't? Think Dumars might want to alert Prince as to what's going on so he stops thinking it was Kuester's (perceived dumb) idea to sit Hamilton? "Tayshaun was informed," said a Compton, Calif., confidant. "He was taking a shot at his coach." (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/all_about_anthony_g4L1KKGuR37a9IIkff10rM) New York Post (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/all_about_anthony_g4L1KKGuR37a9IIkff10rM)

Iott


Pistons source said benching of Richard Hamilton was 100 percent the coach's decision. Had nothing to do with possible trade. #Pistons

Think someone should alert Kuester that we're trying to dump Rip and it's probably not a good idea to make him look bad right now?

Pretty much hate kuester. He just had the proper rotation too.
Stuckey/mcgrady/bynum
Gordon/Hamilton/stuckey
Prince/daye/hamilton
Villanueva/maxiell or wilcox
Wallace/Monroe/wilcox
With the backup pf the odd man out under normal circumstances.

Pretty much hate kuester. He just had the proper rotation too.
Stuckey/mcgrady/bynum
Gordon/Hamilton/stuckey
Prince/daye/hamilton
Villanueva/maxiell or wilcox
Wallace/Monroe/wilcox
With the backup pf the odd man out under normal circumstances.
No. T-Mac and Monroe should start here on in.

I simply think Gordon and villanueva are paid too much to not start on a bad team. I want to see for more than a handful of games if the Stuckey/Gordon backcourt cam work. I would start mcgrady only if we were ready to commit to his role as a pg/point forward with the mle. And you may be right about Monroe.

Article on fucking realm says clippers considering prince for Kaman...

Clips can consider it all they want to, we can't take on the $.

That's why we get rid of maxiell in the process

Clips can consider it all they want to, we can't take on the $.

Yeah, not a dime until the ownership issue is resolved. Damn thing sure is taking its time, too. :(

Doesn't take a genius to think up Prince to the Clippers for Kaman.

Clips have some nice young pieces (don't they always?) and clearing Kaman's contract is a no brainer for a cheap ass owner like Sterling.

For us? Depends on the medical, right?

On the ownership issue: Did I actually see an article claiming Gores had 30 days to buy the team (when we were down)? Or did I dream that shit?

Gores has 30 days of exclusive negotiating rights. Which is probably down to about 2 weeks now.

Gores has 30 days of exclusive negotiating rights. Which is probably down to about 2 weeks now.

So what's the hold up GD? You check all the sites, you read everything - you got any ideas?

39 days til the trade deadline - the clock is fucking ticking, man

I only know what the local dipshit beat reporters write. Once we get some national coverage on this, maybe the real story comes out.

But if I had to guess, I'd guess that the holdup is on the Davidson end. Buying distressed companies like PSE is how Gores made his billions, I would guess that he's pretty slick at negotiating at this level. Karen's probably being careful that he doesn't get the best of her.

Man if I ever had near enough money to own the pistons...
Srsly we need an owner that will balance the roster, pressure the coach, spend his money, and not trade young players for cap space.

Pistons' Hamilton miffed by coach's 'overtures' (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6053584)

Pistons' Hamilton miffed by coach's 'overtures' (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6053584)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6053584


Coach John Kuester's attempt at talking to Pistons guard Richard Hamilton went unheeded this weekend.

With good reason, according to Hamilton.

Hamilton, a key part of trade talks that were called off Wednesday, said the coach's attempt at using the team's head of security, Jerry Hendon, didn't help things.

“

Hamilton I felt offended that he sent Jerry instead of coming himself or sending an assistant coach. I could tell Jerry was uncomfortable and I said no.
” -- Richard Hamilton,
on coach John Kuester's
use of the Pistons' security chief

"I felt offended that he sent Jerry instead of coming himself or sending an assistant coach," Hamilton told the Detroit Free Press on Sunday. "I could tell Jerry was uncomfortable and I said no."

I knew someone was going to miss that my post was linked, lol.

I didn't miss it. I already had the text in my cut and paste buffer before I saw your color=#000000 reply.

Some additional shitstormy loveliness from Ben Gordon currently resides as the top story on Hoopshype (via Hoopsworld).

Lol@ Hoopsworld. I wonder if Donvito ever got busted for molesting Mikey G? That sick fuck.

Wot. That shit happened?

Yup. Disgusting.

how the fuck does that even happen?
didn't mikey have two brothers? anthonyg?
were they old enough to kick the shit out of sicko gheys?

WTF?

Vinny - is that legit?

When the fuck did this happen?

Vinny's word is gold, he's not one to completely fabricate stories.

Vinny's word is gold, he's not one to completely fabricate stories.

rofl.

I agree GD. I hear rehab does wonders...

That's a fucking obscure thing to lie about.

I just heard the same rumors you guys did. Wasn't trying to create some kind of uproar.

I have so many tasteless jokes that I'm not making.

Here's a nice neat pile of shitstorm.

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2011/01/detroit_pistons_links_22.html

Rip isn't at shootaround; at the team hotel with flu. Stuck doubtful with shoulder. Big Ben out tonight 4 family matter. #Pistons.

Ellis

Tayshaun Prince describes Pistons' season as 'wasted' (http://detnews.com/article/20110204/SPORTS0102/102040382)

0-2 against the Nets, lolz

Brian Hill is drawing up some new plays ths morning.

0-2 against the Nets, lolz

THATS ABOUT TO CHANGE!

to 0-3

lol...prolly so.

The crowd at The Palace was the smallest that it has been in years.

Tracy McGrady on the Pistons in today's Detroit News. "I have seen dysfunctional teams before. This ranks right up there." Awesome.

Looking for the article now.

Here it is, featuring Tay pretty much begging to be traded.

Pistons still have a shot for playoffs (http://detnews.com/article/20110222/SPORTS0102/102220329/1127/sports0102/Pistons-still-have-a-shot-for-playoffs)

Holy SHITSTORM. Wait until you see this stuff coming out now.

I'll post some in minute.

Goodwill


Half the #Pistons roster missed shootaround...Tracy, Tay, Wilcox, Rip and Body were not present...do with it what you will


Things were already crazy....now they're getting crazier...player protest? #Pistons

Dery


Only 7 #Pistons players were at shootaround this morning in Philly. More info coming.

Goodwill


Kuester: "We'll go with the group that was here. We have a number of guys who have that bug," #Pistons


Tracy has a headache, Tay has the flu, Rip and Wilcox missed the bus...Ben Wallace has a family matter #Pistons


Five veteran players skip morning practice http://detne.ws/hcZIHg

Joe really fucked this up not firing Kuester during the AS break. Now he almost can't.

I can't see Wilcox in on this? You'd think he'd be fighting for all the minutes he can get so he can get another contract somewhere...

Several Pistons skip practice as friction with Kuester boils over http://bit.ly/ejkg9W


One source, who asked not to be identified, said he didn’t know what the next step would be, and didn’t say who organized the absences. But he said it was an organized protest, with some players deciding it was best to show up anyway.

So I wonder what went down with the players that did show up? Did they all agree to skip and then some of them chickened out? And how about Daye and Stuckey showing up late? Did they join the protest but then panic when they heard some guys did go to practice?

http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/1/10-greatest-gross-out-moments-of-the-80s-00-420-75.jpg

http://www.one-leggedsandpiper.com/OLSP/2009/09/ShitStormForcast.jpg

http://imgur.com/mRk3f.jpg

I'd give Joe a lot of credit if he resigned this afternoon.

If he feels like Gores is going to run him anyways, might as well.

Lol, he should resign because the players skip practice?

We're talkin' about practice. Not the game.

Joe's the one hiring all these dumbass coaches.

Motherfucker should donate his entire salary from this season to charity.

Q is screwing up but he has a fucked up roster to deal with.

Put a new coach on this team and I bet we aren't much better.

Lol, he should resign because the players skip practice?

I was thinking more out of frustration and possibly due to impending firing.

And maybe incompetence.

Have to go check twitter, but has Langlois been heard from yet?

Lol, he should resign because the players skip practice?
Yes. And probably kill himself too.

Coaching change coming in Detroit? (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/25479/coaching-change-coming-in-detroit)


:stein:

There surely has to be some measure of discipline meted out to the players involved (Hamilton, Prince, Tracy McGrady, Ben Wallace and Chris Wilcox) if it’s proven that this was indeed an organized walkout. The organization has to make its own statement on top of the damage those players have done to their own reputations … especially after Terry Foster of the Detroit News reported Friday on his WXYT-FM radio show that some of the same players were planning a similar protest on the morning of the Pistons’ final game before the All-Star break against Indiana but called it off and wound up winning when they were told that Kuester would be ousted during the break.



I had this so nailed.

^ That's pretty amazing to have the players go that far.

And we've come to expect you nailing things.

Here's some video, dude's not selling the "bug" and "headache" angle very well, lol.

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/sports/did-pistons-players-stage-protest-of-kuester%3F/?asdfkhj

Team spokesman Cletus Lewis said that McGrady had a headache, Prince an upset stomach and Hamilton and Wilcox missed the bus from the team hotel.

http://www.dukesofhazzard01.com/cletus2.jpg

Everything is fine!

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg

Bynum and Summers to start, per Iott

@Vee_Ellis4Freep: Summers, CV31, Monroe, BG and Bynum get the start for #Pistons

No way Bynum would have been a part of the "protest", dude is all heart and just vants to play. A real pro.

Seriously, this new development has been the most interesting thing that has happened to the detroit pistons in years. As Thomas Jefferson said, "every generation needs a new revolution" which inspires me to say about this god forsaken franchise "it's about god-damned time".

I hope those a-holes are feeling pretty good about hanging their teammates out to dry.

THOSE WHO STAY WILL BE CHAMPIONS

I think that it's official that Prince, Wilcox and T-mac will not be Pistons next season.

It's interesting that Prince isn't even on the bench tonight. Not even in a suit.

As for the solution, Dumars can't fire Kuester. He can't let the players think they've won.

So I'd fine all the players who participated in the revolt.

I think Stein's idea of a paid-off resignation is the best solution for Kuester. He can't be enjoying this.

I'd buy Prince out. Ideally for the remainder of his salary ($3 million), but ideally something like $1.5 to $2 million for Prince to give up.

As for Rip, I'd tell him to clean out his locker and get the fuck out of the facility for the rest of the season. Still pay him, but banish him from the premises. Especially considering they had a trade lined up and Rip wouldn't take the buy out. Fuck him.

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One bright side in all of this, Bynum got to show what he can do given the much deserved opportunity to start.

wow self destruct modus is on, everyone loses in this situation, i want them all gone, GM, coach, players - keep Monroe and JJ, Arnie and Mike Abdenauer

whatever they will do now, it will look really bad, you cant fire Q now, it sends a horrible message

What did Special K have to say before the game?

wow self destruct modus is on, everyone loses in this situation, i want them all gone, GM, coach, players - keep Monroe and JJ, Arnie and Mike Abdenauer

whatever they will do now, it will look really bad, you cant fire Q now, it sends a horrible message
You couldn't fire him anyways, why is that so hard to accept? It'll have to get as ugly as possible for Karen Davidson to ok that shit.

I'm having these weird thoughts that tie together the movie Major League and the Pistons, minus the desire to see lifesize cardboard boobage of the owner should they start winning.

I've been having the same thoughts for months too....but I think this shit's devolved to basically Major League 3: Back To The Minors.

This has gotta be fake but funny....

http://twitter.com/#!/ESPNinsider_ claims that http://twitter.com/#!/RIPhamilton32_ is real.

The _ at the end is a dead giveaway. Farkin' amateurs....

all the expiring guys looking for contracts next year are pretty stupid for doing this. McGrady, Prince and Stuckey might have just lost a shitload of money for next season. Wilcox might have actually just protested himself out of the league.

also i'm really looking forward to the next langlois article. how the fuck can you spin this shit? if he can do it, he ranks right up there for being a great journalist. He'd be like the basketball version of Leni Riefenstahl.

The thing that amazes me most?

The players were gonna sit out vs Indiana but called it off because they were told (basically) that Q would be fired during the All-Star break!

Now, if it had reached that point and somehow the players were told "just one more game" then they have every fucking right to be pissed when Q doesn't get fired!

Obviously you can argue they need to be professional and show up and do their jobs. Q is also supposed to be a professional!

And Joe is supposed to be a professional and he put all these fuckers together

New owner, new GM, new Coach and half the fucking roster can go ASAP!

Tay can walk, McGrady can walk, Wilcox can walk, Big Ben can retire, Sign and trade Stuckey for a pick, buy out Rip even if you have to give him 90% of the money he's owed... there goes 6 motherfuckers...

And this walk out, sit down, protest whatever just gave Gores all the ammo he needs to throw whomever he wants out on the street.

Maybe their revolt has more to do with Ownership than anybody else. Trying to send a "i know you dont want to have another fired HC on the books, but this ain't going to cut it" to Karen. As stubborn as she has proven to be, I doubt it was worth the train wreck this will become. But I guess her resolve in that mater will be tested as far as it can go.

And this walk out, sit down, protest whatever just gave Gores all the ammo he needs to throw whomever he wants out on the street.
And yet I have doubts about all this gung ho hit the streets shit people are attaching to his name. I don't think any owner who has never owned a team before is starting off that way. His assessment of the team will probably be more open than that. He can shorten certain people's leash, but the "clean house at every level" routine would be chaotic for him to deal with.

When you take over a business you do take some time to work out who needs to go and WTF needs to happen to improve the situation.

But Gores has had enough time to see what the fuck is really going on here.

And I don't want to put it in these terms or use the cancer word to describe Joe but:

People need to realise that in order to save the organisation the cancer needs to be cut out. The franchise needs a leader that would stamp out this Coach vs Player bullshit and work with the Coach on those kind of issues. The franchise needs someone who looks and acts like he runs the fucking show - not some dude that crawled off the set of The Biggest Loser.

The fact of the matter is that all these players and this head coach are here because Joe put them here. It's his mess, his fucking team.

And it's failed big time, not just this season but last season and the season before was a clusterfuck too with Iverson and Curry and all that shit...

How many bad years does he get? He's had 3 pretty fucking terrible seasons, each one worse than the last and during that time frame we actually had 4 draft picks AND $18 million in cap space to use in the same off-season!

The change must start at the top and filter through - Joe has to go... and I hope as soon as the season is over he "retires"

At least you're calling him a cancer to the organization and not a cancer patient.

"crawled off the set of The Biggest Loser" is incredible.

Thank you.

I'm fucking serious - if you watch a game with a non-NBA fan they have no clue who the fuck he is. When you say he used to be a player, a great fucking player...

well - my mates think I'm full of shit because he's the size of a fucking house now!

A fat slobby looking motherfucker can not run a successful business. Where is the pride in his appearance? If the fucker can't look after himself how the fuck is he going to run the franchise?

And notice we started getting crap when he started getting fat. The fatter he gets the worse the team gets!

Someone get Joe a personal fucking head coach to train his ass not to eat... maybe then we can win some games

family history

I'm miffed, miffed, at the fact the Pistons Revolution isn't trending on Twitter and yet Gaddafi, last I checked, is.

It will be interesting to see who starts and/or plays tonight.

Despite me not being smart enough to move Bynumite off my fantasy team's bench into the lineup last night I'm loving this guy.

From Yahoo...


Will Bynum scored a season-high 29 points while playing the entire game in Philadelphia Friday. He was three points shy of his career high and felt no worse for the wear, despite getting inadvertently popped in the mouth late in the game. "I got DNPs for a month and a half," he said. "You think I was turning down 48 minutes? I ain't crazy."

Bynum won't turn down the opportunity to play 48 minutes, and JR Smith won't turn down the opportunity to take 48 shots.

How many bad years does he get? He's had 3 pretty fucking terrible seasons, each one worse than the last and during that time frame we actually had 4 draft picks AND $18 million in cap space to use in the same off-season!

The change must start at the top and filter through - Joe has to go... and I hope as soon as the season is over he "retires"
:-/ I'm worried that Joe Dumars created a monster. And that would be over privileged fans. His success has lead them to overrate our players trade value, underrate our previous success, exponentially multiply their disappointment to pitch fork hate, and dip their armchairs in gold with diamonds sprinkled all over them.

With that said his last two coaching hires have flopped completely, he couldn't have gambled on CV and BG at a worse time, He's gambled on Maxiell's development to the point of passing on the guy who turned out to be the player Maxiell should have in Dajuan Blair, um fuck Affalo thats so exaggerated i want to piss on anyone enraged by that move, and His commitment to getting as many big bodies as possible on the roster has been drowned in trying to accommodate the NBA's faster softer pace with more guards to chuck it up. I'm not pleased with that and I expected some of this to blow up in his face as a "hard lesson" in conforming to this retarded league. Unfortunately the owner's dead and there's a freeze on most moves including HC firing imo. Did he facilitate his problems? yes, no GM is exempt in that. Is it as chaotic as it is because of him completely at this juncture? Under the current circumstances of ownership no. In a situation of freedom Kuester is fired a long time ago and this is quite possibly a completely different team record wise and personnel wise I personally think. Would they win less or more? Who knows for sure but I do believe the lack of moves are not all on him THIS SEASON. And for the two previous years I didn't like the moves made, but nothing i'd want him gone over just yet.

Bynum won't turn down the opportunity to play 48 minutes, and JR Smith won't turn down the opportunity to take 48 shots.
Not nice to JR, and yes most guys with low minutes won't.

Dyno - I've stated my case for why Joe should be fired or resign or whatever - not gonna do it here again.

I understand it's difficult, almost impossible to remain a contender forever - but if you're not going to contend then you need to essentially tank!

Clear out the vets for picks and youth, get young talent via the Draft and build a team!

I'd be happy if we had 3 shitty seasons doing that!

But Joe chose this path and it's a clusterfuck... or kuesterfuck lol

At what point do you say "Thanks for the good times Joe but we don't like the direction you're taking us so we're going to let you resign"????

:-/ I'm worried that Joe Dumars created a monster. And that would be over privileged fans. His success has lead them to overrate our players trade value, underrate our previous success, exponentially multiply their disappointment to pitch fork hate, and dip their armchairs in gold with diamonds sprinkled all over them.

With that said his last two coaching hires have flopped completely, he couldn't have gambled on CV and BG at a worse time, He's gambled on Maxiell's development to the point of passing on the guy who turned out to be the player Maxiell should have in Dajuan Blair, um fuck Affalo thats so exaggerated i want to piss on anyone enraged by that move, and His commitment to getting as many big bodies as possible on the roster has been drowned in trying to accommodate the NBA's faster softer pace with more guards to chuck it up. I'm not pleased with that and I expected some of this to blow up in his face as a "hard lesson" in conforming to this retarded league. Unfortunately the owner's dead and there's a freeze on most moves including HC firing imo. Did he facilitate his problems? yes, no GM is exempt in that. Is it as chaotic as it is because of him completely at this juncture? Under the current circumstances of ownership no. In a situation of freedom Kuester is fired a long time ago and this is quite possibly a completely different team record wise and personnel wise I personally think. Would they win less or more? Who knows for sure but I do believe the lack of moves are not all on him THIS SEASON. And for the two previous years I didn't like the moves made, but nothing i'd want him gone over just yet.

I don't think it's an issue of over privileged fans at all. That's BS. I don't overestimate our players value (IMO) and I understand the ownership situation. This is all on Joe's incompetence. His free agent signings (Nazr, Kwame, BG, CV, Wilcox) were ALL questionable or just plain bad. As soon as they happened most of the fans responded WTF? We always assumed that there was a master plan but apparently there wasn't. Joe's drafts have been mediocre, his extensions a disaster. He has consistently said one thing and done the opposite (no more complacency, hiring an experienced coach, no trade limitations, etc.). His coaching choices were dreadful which was only made worse by the current revolt. Joe could have traded a disgruntled Prince who certainly won't be back. he probably could have even swung a better deal than what Dallas offered if he wasn't so dead set against trading him. I understand the Rip move not happening because of the ownership situation so I can't put that on him.

You say that you haven't seen anything to get Joe fired. Other than no-brainers (drafting Monroe and signing T-mac for the minimum) name something that Joe has done right in the past 3, 4, hell even 5 seasons (that wasn't done to correct a previous fuck up). Anything? No? That should be cause for dismissal right there.

I don't think it's an issue of over privileged fans at all. That's BS.-----> I don't overestimate our players value (IMO) and I understand the ownership situation. .
And tell when is the last time you were humbly honest about anything you thought? You are bitter the whole way and now you're acting like you just started being this way. You wanted the guy fired when we had a winning record, at least start bullshitting with someone who doesn't know this about you.

Dyno - I've stated my case for why Joe should be fired or resign or whatever - not gonna do it here again.

I understand it's difficult, almost impossible to remain a contender forever - but if you're not going to contend then you need to essentially tank!

Clear out the vets for picks and youth, get young talent via the Draft and build a team!

I'd be happy if we had 3 shitty seasons doing that!
Man, i'd think Bynum, Stuckey, Daye, Summers, Jerebko, and Monroe all don't exist right? Also fundamentally i don't believe in the "attempt to tank" shit at all. You definitely don't need to reiterate your case, I'm making statement on that. It seems everybody will reiterate what they already said as if I'm going to say "well that doesn't sound over privileged at all when you put exactly the way you been always putting it, I see your light". In a vice versa no one here is humble enough to take that criticism seriously, so I have no expectations of changing minds in stating it. No one is bringing it up, so I figured I would. Plenty of bitterness explained and rationalized in favor of the pitch forks, so i don't think anyone needs to explain or rationalize it all over again. was having a #justsaying moment I guess.

You say that you haven't seen anything to get Joe fired. Other than no-brainers (drafting Monroe and signing T-mac for the minimum) name something that Joe has done right in the past 3, 4, hell even 5 seasons (that wasn't done to correct a previous fuck up). Anything? No? That should be cause for dismissal right there.
Well everything he does is a no brainer. So duh, he obviously fails in your world Rhetorical questions and all. lol

I'm tampering with a good thing here though, so let me avoid that from now on in this thread, Shitstorm away. :)

Blind loyalty vs. Armchair GMs.

Both are exactly what messageboards are all about, I suppose.

I really liked a quote that I saw from Charlotte's Rod Higgins after the Gerald Wallace trade. I don't have the exact quote, so you'll have to look it up if you want it, but in response to fans and critics of their decision to trade Wallace, despite being in the hunt for a playoff spot, he said (paraphrase), "The 7th or 8th playoff spot is not what we're after, we want to get to a championship level".

Now granted, what Rod Fucking Higgins has to say doesn't carry a lot of weight, but I love that mentality, and it's the exact opposite of Joe's (and some here's) philosophy of just being happy with trying to make the playoffs.

And you now see the result of that strategy.

2 fun options for tonight:

1. Roll with the same lineup as last night, sign 1 or 2 guys out of the DLeague to 10-day deals. Waive TMac if necessary. Tempting to do the same to Tay. Might be better to do that after 3/1 if you want to be really vindictive.

2. Start 5 of the quitters tonight to allow the home fans to let them have it. Then, yank them all at the first whistle for last night's starters and let the fans go crazy.

I think subjecting them to treatment like that from the 18 fans in attendance is too harsh.

It does sound very :WWE: though.

2. Start 5 of the quitters tonight to allow the home fans to let them have it. Then, yank them all at the first whistle for last night's starters and let the fans go crazy.

that wouldn't even happen. those guys wouldn't be booed.

And tell when is the last time you were humbly honest about anything you thought? You are bitter the whole way and now you're acting like you just started being this way. You wanted the guy fired when we had a winning record, at least start bullshitting with someone who doesn't know this about you.

Why should I be humble about this when I was right? I did want Joe replaced long ago. I saw Joe's handling of the team as an issue some 4 years ago. If you recall, I saw early Sheed's negative effect on the team and wanted Sheed gone. I saw his poor attitude spreading through the team. I was right. I complained about Joe's signing of Nazr, Kwame, and CV plus I thought we overpaid for BG. I was right. I was probably the first guy on this board to be pissed off about the Afflalo trade. I was really disappointed in Joe's coaching picks, especially Kuester after Joe proclaimed that he would get "an experienced coach" after the Curry debacle. Again I was right.

You can call me an armchair GM. You can call me a bullshitter. You can call me a horrible fan. The truth, whether you admit it or not, is that I have been pretty damn accurate in my calls. I was the first guy calling for Joe's head as I saw things spiraling in the wrong direction. Now most of the board agrees with me. So call me names or whatever you want. The truth speaks for itself and although not always popular, I usually know what the fuck i'm talking about.

Blind loyalty vs. Armchair GMs.

Both are exactly what messageboards are all about, I suppose.
You're making up something convenient and untrue. I'm not call all Dumars moves great, discrediting the actual misses he's made as "falling into his lap", and I sure ain't calling myself amazingly right when he does do well. I've made my point, you've made yours that you're too densely confused and w/o enough respect of it to get it. So why even rehash? Maybe you think you bother me more than you do, and its a kstat thing all over.

You can call me an armchair GM. You can call me a bullshitter. You can call me a horrible fan. The truth, whether you admit it or not, is that I have been pretty damn accurate in my calls. I was the first guy calling for Joe's head as I saw things spiraling in the wrong direction. Now most of the board agrees with me. So call me names or whatever you want. The truth speaks for itself and although not always popular, I usually know what the fuck i'm talking about.
5 years ago you were preaching the same nonsense and was wrong. You never changed it so it finally hit. But regardless only thing I'm calling you directly to you is attention whore and a whiny bitch from day 1. I make my statements in general and they transcend even this message board, you run to hop on a cross and pretend to be a crucified Jesus Christ. Relax your retarded ass for once in your life. You're not right about anything, you're just bitching at your convenience. I mean damn you're asking fixed rhetorical questions, then applauding yourself for the answers(or lack there of in some cases) you came up with. That's fucking insane.

Get back on topic here and bitch/moan about the shitstorm.

I think subjecting them to treatment like that from the 18 fans in attendance is too harsh.
DAMn, you're just really uncalled for today. :( lol

I had an opportunity to sit down with former Piston Vernon Hamilton this morning to talk about the current state of the Pistons. Here's our conversation:




GLAN: What are your honest thoughts about what is going on with the Pistons?

VERNON HAMILTON: I'd rather not comment, but disappointed, very disappointed. Hope it gets resolved soon.

GLAN: Thanks, I understand. Keep working hard and good luck.

I haven't watched last nights game yet, but NBATV covered it last night.

I'm trying to think of anything quite like this happening before, but can't.

Dumars has to respond to this, he can*t ignore this shit going on, if he doesnt react at all, it only gets worse, he needs to do his job and hand out suspensions and fines asap!

If the players claim to have the "illnesses" that they claim, then other then the couple who missed the bus, there might be an issue with fines (players union?). Also, Ben Wallace supposedly had ""family issues" that had been ongoing and were seemingly ok with mgt. Was he at the game and if so, why then didn't he play?

Well, did the players state these excuses or did Pistons PR state them in an early failed attempt at a cover up? And from what I can tell, Ben didn't try to use his family excuses, that was just media speculation as to why he might be excused...

Just heard ESPN Radio report (Bucher) that Rip was the only one that didn't have a "legitimate excuse"for missing shootaround and that the Pistons are claiming that this is all a "miscommunication" and not some kind of orchestrated statement of any kind.

Um, yeah.

If they legitimate excuses, why didn't they play?

Tom Leyden on ESPN Radio right now talking Pistons.

A national embarrassment.

Sooooooooo, Utah tonight? um sweet, no Deron Williams. Pretty positive thing right? :(

Dumars expected to release a statement prior to tonight's game.

ESPN hosts laughing about how the story keeps changing from Pistons organization.

Coachman and Freddy Coleman, fwiw.

I'm getting some college BBall game on ESPN.

Radio, not TV. They said they'll be talking about it more at the top of the hour.

Slow sports news weekend.

I've got the radio going...listening to 96-1 ESPN West Michigan?

Thats how it shows up on my iphone anyway.

Sounds right, I'm on XM 140, though.

Watching the game and wondering why Mrs Davidson couldn't have gotten this team sold in time for the trade deadline.

I'm currently rocking a "top tweet" status if you search #Pistons.

5 years ago you were preaching the same nonsense and was wrong. You never changed it so it finally hit. But regardless only thing I'm calling you directly to you is attention whore and a whiny bitch from day 1. I make my statements in general and they transcend even this message board, you run to hop on a cross and pretend to be a crucified Jesus Christ. Relax your retarded ass for once in your life. You're not right about anything, you're just bitching at your convenience. I mean damn you're asking fixed rhetorical questions, then applauding yourself for the answers(or lack there of in some cases) you came up with. That's fucking insane.

Get back on topic here and bitch/moan about the shitstorm.

You are a hypocrite and full of shit. You call me out specifically but then claim that " I make my statements in general". You say that "5 years ago you were preaching the same nonsense and was wrong. You never changed it so it finally hit.". That means that i wasn't wrong but then again "You're not right about anything." You really bring the WTF? to this board.

Well, Ben's brother died today....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6161438

Just saw this in the Rip/ Q thread, but it's about this as well so I'm leaving it.

Well, Ben's brother died today....

I wonder if it was the same brother that was throwing punches in the Pacers/Pistons brawl?

Good call. Now I wonder that too. Just when he might have been let back into the Palace (banned by Davidson regime).

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6161438

Just saw this in the Rip/ Q thread, but it's about this as well so I'm leaving it.

That article is stupidest shit ever. Wilcox 'overslept'? That's not really an excuse. Neither are headaches and tummy aches. You can still show up to practice with those 'conditions', even if you don't participate. Not being notified of change is understandable, but unbelievable given the circumstances. The only thing that made any sense was Ben Wallace's circumstances.

Oh it's complete bullshit. But the best part about it is that it admits they've been trying to boycott then says this boycott was fake. As though it's better for the organization to be both hated by the players and incompetent with basic logistics.

Kenyon friggin' Martin played with the flu the other night.

Oh it's complete bullshit. But the best part about it is that it admits they've been trying to boycott then says this boycott was fake. As though it's better for the organization to be both hated by the players and incompetent with basic logistics.
Yeah, I still think Stuckey and Daye going late is the strangest part of all this. The whole idea of a boycott is stupid but if you're going to boycott, stick with it, don't go in late. You're stabbing both sides in the back then.

I'm actually wondering the validity of Stuckey and Daye protesting.

What would Stuckey be protesting? The guy gets EVERYTHING on the team. The only thing he could be protesting for is to get less minutes, or maybe have the PG spot back. I don't see either of those being likely.

Daye has some valid reasons to have a problem, but he always seemed to have a good attitude.

So really they might not have been protesting, but it doesn't matter. Watching them laugh on the bench when Q got ejected spoke volumes. They became apart of the movement right then and there. You can put Ben Wallace in that group as well. It's a shame about his brother, but he's clearly rebelling. Fuck all of those dudes.

Stuck has repeatedly had disputes with Kuester though.

true.

I always forget that he's retarded.

Dyno - you can try and lob me in with micknugget all you want but the fact is I stated time and time again during our great run that we, as fans, needed to fucking appreciate what we had - because it wasn't going to last forever!

Sure I've trashed Joe for years about his Draft failures... but let's not act like I've wanted him lynched for years.

I didn't trash any coaching changes because for one reason or another those changes were forced (Carlisle was a prick, LB wanted out, Flip lost the team) until Curry and now Q failed in spectacular fashion.... so again let's not act I've wanted Joe fired for years.

My whole thing with Joe is this:

While we were contending what did he and his crew do to help the rebuilding process? Did they acquire future picks by dealing current picks? Did they trade a role player here or there for a young guy and/or a future pick? Did they position a few major salaries to expire at the same time?

The answer to all those questions is NO!

We had to deal Billups for Iverson to get the cap room we needed to rebuild on the fly... and if used well we could have built around Prince, Rip and Stuckey for another 3 years IMO (I believe I said that at the time?) - but Joe and his boys fucked that up by signing BG and Nova.

I've just finally reached the point with Joe where I think he deserves to go.

It's not because he did nothing to prepare for the rebuilding process - most GMs ride it out until it dies so you can't lynch him for that.

It's not because we, as an organisation failed in the Draft prior to the Stuckey/Double A Draft (and I'm on record saying they've done a pretty good job since then)

It's not because Joe has hired 2 fucking massive failures as Coaches in the last 3 seasons.

It's not because we have all these shitty contracts and seem to be stuck in no man's land...

It's because in the last few seasons every "mistake" he has made has been followed by another "mistake" and then another and all those "mistakes" put together = this clusterfuck of a team!

Signing BG for that money isn't a mistake - unless you have Rip and just signed him to an extension.

Hiring Michael Curry/John Kuester is not a mistake - as long as you dump the veterans that don't want to rebuild or make it clear that if they don't support the Coach then they'll pay a heavy cost.

Staying silent in the media while this Coach v Player bullshit goes from isolated incident to "weekly" broadcast was not a mistake - if you had a way of getting some of these pissed off veterans off your roster.

Man - the guy had a great run and it's just time for him to go... I have little faith he has a plan, or even had one after the ECF team got old... and would prefer to remember our great run and not this clusterfuck that he put together...

Dyno - you can try and lob me in with micknugget all you want ...
You just went ape shit with a long post based on this assumption? lol.. I wouldn't even bunch Glan in with Micknugget, which says alot. He's a special breed of ignorance I would never apply to most people. Sorry I left you feeling like that.

The entire post wasn't based on that assumption - that part was just so you knew where I stood.

Interesting you didn't respond to the rest of my post...

These are especially troubling times for Gutz. He's finding it harder and harder to blindly defend both Joe D and the players simultaneously, while blaming the coach for everything.

The entire post wasn't based on that assumption - that part was just so you knew where I stood.

Interesting you didn't respond to the rest of my post...
WTF, It's more of the same shit you've been saying in long Phar-agraph after Phar-agraph. You really want to get back into it until the cows come home? Or are you stroking your own ego here?

These are especially troubling times for Gutz. He's finding it harder and harder to blindly defend both Joe D and the players simultaneously, while blaming the coach for everything.
Sweet, when exactly did this become reality vs a deluded convenient reality in your head? You admit to not reading my whole posts(think I've heard just about every excuse for it too), yet you still blindly respond as if you're bent on making me your personal Kstat. If you miss that faggot that much, hunt him down. Honestly if you weren't a mod while this pointlessly ignorant and obnoxious, it would be less off putting. But the child like "looking for a response because you'd ignore me otherwise" shtick is getting old as it can be and then some.

Oh, I read your posts, I just don't understand them or give them any creedence 99% of the time.

But drive on.

Apparently this shitstorm gets insecure if it doesn't have me to falsely hold up as it's rival, coulda sworn I said enjoy your parade and bitch on.

Oh, I read your posts, I just don't understand them or give them any creedence 99% of the time.
Meaning that you make up your own reality of what I say. Which again if dumb as fuck corny. You can get as high and mighty about it as you want. You can down my posts in hopes of making you feel like you're showing on the internet of all places. But in reality you're just stalking and begging for my attention. Funniest is part is that you've been a fat ass church mouse when I've questioned your warped logic back when I did feel like questioning your agenda. Seems selectively weird that you're throwing all these cheap shots after I've stop paying attention to ya.

Thanks for the prime example.

Thanks for the prime example.
Whatever floats your boat. You're still riding my jock 1 percent credence and all.

Apparently this stalking w/o reading posts shit will be an ongoing theme of kindergarten antics on your part. You don't give legit answers when Me, fool, or anyone else calls you out. Yet you don't mind haggling up responses that do more telling me what I'm saying than responding to it. Alot of things i dont mind. But this is just such a waste of time, I even want back the time I spent making this last reply. I don't know it your wife left you, kid is sick/terminally ill, parents died on you, or you are going through a mid life crisis. But you're obviously feeling a need to over do the "cynical snob" routine these past couple years. Good luck with it, a battle of attrition on this level is a child's game, I'm sure I can't keep up.

Just having some fun to break up the monotony of the impending Pistons suckitude that a lot of us saw coming years ago. The fact that you continue to defend and spin for Joe and these players makes you an obvious target for some jabs. Mix in the fact that I really can't comprehend what you are saying, in between pats on the back for Joe, and it is what it is.

Coachman says he's talking Pistons all morning, just FYI.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player#/live/?callsign=ESPNRADIO

"Bottom line: The players can't stand the coach. They don't respect him because they don't believe he relates to players. But no matter how you feel about him, you don't pull the kind of nonsense we displayed on the bench in Philadelphia on Friday night. It was embarrassing, humiliating. Dudes are lucky they're still wearing an NBA uniform after that." (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=smith_stephen&page=PistonsProtest-110227)

Glan is goblin.

well glan, that article tried to paint this as a potential racial outrage.

That's fucking stupid too. Anything done in the NBA could be considered a spotlight on black men, even when a white guy does something. The only people who actually consider it that are ignorant racists who don't know any better.

I haven't seen this many dumb articles about the Pistons since the palace brawl.

Bob Wojnowski: Young Pistons show veterans how to act and win http://detne.ws/huLzXq

A couple of generic quotes from Dumars.

Langlois' take on the situation...


Tough to find team w/ better results last 4 drafts & only 1 lottery pick than Pistons: Stuckey, Daye, Jerebko and Monroe. Solid base.

^^^Saw that. So awesome.

Langlois is goblin.

Vince Ellis stands up for good journalism (http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/vince-ellis-stands-up-for-good-journalism/)

Dyno - for what it's worth I like to argue/debate with you cause unlike GD I appreciate your take on things.

But if you wanna just brush all my ravings off as "same old, same old" then that's cool.

@CavsFredMcLeod What do you think about the #Pistons situation?


@WTFDetroit All I know is, Coach Kue is a good man..

I don't think that it was ever an issue of Kue not being a good guy. Nobody has painted him as some evil prick who kicks dogs and steals candy from babies. What he has been is a piss poor head coach who has lost the team. Kue may be great in one aspect but for the Pistons, he has been mediocre in handling line-ups and the rotations. He has not managed games well as far as plays or even time-outs. The most destructive thing in my opinion is how consitently bad he is at half time adjustments. Far, far, far to often do we take a lead into the half only to get blown out in the 3rd quarter. These things are all on the coach and that is Kue. Regardless of how the player shitstorm started or continues, Kue has been a bad coach and deserves to be replaced.

He hasn't been bad with rotations or playing time. Making T-Mac the point. Starting Wilcox. Relegating Cancer to the role of short-term point production (which is the only role he is good at). Getting Monroe in the starting rotation once the kid caught up to the Association. The guy has worked with what he has.

He is shit out of timeouts and I agree he can't figure out how to keep the lead in the 2nd half.

I don't think that it was ever an issue of Kue not being a good guy. Nobody has painted him as some evil prick who kicks dogs and steals candy from babies. What he has been is a piss poor head coach who has lost the team. Kue may be great in one aspect but for the Pistons, he has been mediocre in handling line-ups and the rotations. He has not managed games well as far as plays or even time-outs. The most destructive thing in my opinion is how consitently bad he is at half time adjustments. Far, far, far to often do we take a lead into the half only to get blown out in the 3rd quarter. These things are all on the coach and that is Kue. Regardless of how the player shitstorm started or continues, Kue has been a bad coach and deserves to be replaced.

Rip

He hasn't been bad with rotations or playing time. Making T-Mac the point. Starting Wilcox. Relegating Cancer to the role of short-term point production (which is the only role he is good at). Getting Monroe in the starting rotation once the kid caught up to the Association. The guy has worked with what he has.

He is shit out of timeouts and I agree he can't figure out how to keep the lead in the 2nd half.
I agree with this pretty much. I also think it's pretty telling that Rip and Co have had a problem with every coach since (and somewhat including) LB.

I realy think that Kue has been pretty bad with the rotations and playing time. Kue frequently and inexplicably pulls out a hot player when the team should be riding that player. There are very few defense for offense (or vise versa) swaps at the end of games. I can't tell you how many times we needed a stop and I see CV, Wilcox, and BG on the floor. I think that Kue also goes too much to having the complete 1st unit or complete 2nd unit on the floor as opposed to a healthy mix.

Defensive/offensive replacements late in game depends on whether you have time outs or know that a stoppage will occur (one team needs to foul). Has he not been doing it when he's certain there will be a stoppage after the possession? This is a serious question as I have not seen them play since a preseason game that was nationally televised.

Defensive/offensive replacements late in game depends on whether you have time outs or know that a stoppage will occur (one team needs to foul). Has he not been doing it when he's certain there will be a stoppage after the possession? This is a serious question as I have not seen them play since a preseason game that was nationally televised.


No, the Pistons have had time outs. It's just that Kue makes very strange late swaps. Leaving in Wilcox and CV when you need a defensive stop and/or a rebound just makes no sense when you have Monroe and Wallace on the bench. he also leaves in BG frequently and pulls Bynum or T-mac. Just not smart basketball.

Magic’s Stan Van Gundy rips Pistons as ‘weak, childish, unprofessional’ (http://detnews.com/article/20110301/SPORTS0102/103010423/1127/sports0102/Magic’s-Stan-Van-Gundy-rips-Pistons-as-‘weak--childish--unprofessional’)

:ronjeremy:

He made those comments, or close to them, during the game...Sunday night or something.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/realgm/1SVGcopy.gif vs. :KING:

"...as we try to make a push toward the postseason..."

From Dumar's statement.

Jesus Christ.

Rip expected to play tonight, lol.

"...as we try to make a push toward the postseason..."

From Dumar's statement.

Jesus Christ.

What's the problem with that?

If he made decisions involving trades based on the thought that this team as constructed could make some noise in the playoffs, I definitely have a problem with it.

If he made decisions involving trades based on the thought that this team as constructed could make some noise in the playoffs, I definitely have a problem with it.

I agree, but that's neither here nor there.

Is he supposed to say "we aren't going to make the playoffs. we suck. if you get tickets we'll give you a gift certificate for jewelry though" ?

Iott


Tracy McGrady on not playing: "It's frustrating." Says he knows why. Asked if it was anything he could share. "No."

Hate Kuester.

Also: I wonder what rotation Joe envisioned this season?

Hate Kuester.

Also: I wonder what rotation Joe envisioned this season?

...waiting




#FJD

http://www.firekuester.com/

http://www.firekuester.com/


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I like how Joe has "moving forward" so many times in every damn interview. Seriously he says it everytime.

No, just saw it on another board. I didn't look at the WHOIS record -- amusing!

After brief spat, Pistons' Charlie Villanueva seeks low-post game from coach:

http://detnews.com/article/20110326/SPORTS0102/103260378/After-brief-spat--Pistons--Charlie-Villanueva-seeks-answers-from-coach-John-%20Kuester

There are reports that Stuckey has been suspended by Pistons, which is great news, actually.

There's virtually no way Kuester comes back...right?
Right?

There's virtually no way Kuester comes back...right?
Right?

I'm not convinced he's the problem.

Source: Stuckey benched for refusing to play http://bit.ly/hymVOj

I'm not convinced he's the problem.

I'm not convinced he's the solution, though.

I still think he's somewhat better than Michael Curry as coach, especially with Xs and Os.
Then again, I think most potted plants are better than Michael Curry as a coach.

I'm not convinced he's the problem.

He's not. Still not coming back though

I'm not convinced he's the solution, though.

I still think he's somewhat better than Michael Curry as coach, especially with Xs and Os.
Then again, I think most potted plants are better than Michael Curry as a coach.

I don't know about Curry. Any rookie coach who benches Iverson for a minimum contract scrub from overseas, when it's actually the right move to make, deserves some respect for that at least.

I can't think of anything Kuester has done though. I don't think he's the solution either, but I don't see any coach as the solution. If Phil Jackson was the coach of this team right now he'd be giving press conferences talking about how stupid and lazy they are. If Larry Brown was the coach, he'd quit or fuck around like he did in New York. There's no team here to coach, so why go get another coach? Get a fucking team first, ya know?

He's not. Still not coming back though

If the roster doesn't change I don't see why the coach should.

I'm against throwing money at another coach to coach a team when there is no team present.

Unless It's Bill Laimbeer. He'd instantly be a fan favorite and that's good. I wouldn't wish this team to anyone I really wanted to have success though.

Pistons veterans are likely to leave (http://detnews.com/article/20110413/SPORTS0102/104130339/1127/sports0102/Pistons-veterans-are-likely-to-leave)