Also if you had simply responded with a legitimate argument (the pork one) in the first place, we wouldn't have wasted 2 pages of me responding to your worthless one line posts.

Nobody can have an honest debate with you because you turn it into an elementary school discussion with things like "aren't opinions great" instead of actually addressing the issue being debated.

Also if you had simply responded with a legitimate argument (the pork one) in the first place, we wouldn't have wasted 2 pages of me responding to your worthless one line posts.

Nobody can have an honest debate with you because you turn it into an elementary school discussion with things like "aren't opinions great" instead of actually addressing the issue being debated.

Aren't opinions great?

Nobody can have an honest debate with you because you turn it into an elementary school discussion with things like "aren't opinions great" instead of actually addressing the issue being debated.

^ Moment of clarity.

^ I knew the most immature of all would have to post something.

If I wasn't an Admin I'd probably just put the two of you on my block list so I wouldn't have to read anything you type. I can't recall the last time either contributed anything to this board.

Don't let that stop you kid. The only thing anyone needs you to police is the terrible shit you don't ever stop typing.

I love how much you contribute to the board. Have you figured out who was on the 04-05 team yet?

That settles it, I am giving up responding to the two of you indefinitely, perhaps permanently, I would ask you to do the same since you seem to think I have nothing to offer this board either.

I can promise you that if I put a poll up asking who's posts are of a higher quality you'd get shredded. But that doesn't matter to someone delusional like you.

Just don't execute your mailman.

I can promise you that if I put a poll up asking who's posts are of a higher quality you'd get shredded. But that doesn't matter to someone delusional like you.


I strongly support this idea.

I thought a Sarah Palin anti-joke would be perfect timing right now but I couldn't think of anything related to her that wasn't actually LOL.

Wait, I'm not getting why Chris killing people is funny.

What did I miss?

You missed the tempertantrum a week ago where he flipped out because he couldn't name anyone on the 04-05 roster while declaring it the easiest thing in the world to keep both Memo and Sheed on that team.

That's when he went all balistic about me quoting BBF's post and it seems to be when he started calling everyone an idiot all the time.

And he even got you to change your av/sig, that takes some doing.

So is "not contributing" the new "insensitive"?

Hope so.

We should have traded Litterial Green for a first that would have netted us Dirk.

And he even got you to change your av/sig, that takes some doing.

So is "not contributing" the new "insensitive"?

I've already updated my wtf meme diagram. Haven't you?

You missed the tempertantrum a week ago where he flipped out because he couldn't name anyone on the 04-05 roster while declaring it the easiest thing in the world to keep both Memo and Sheed on that team.

That's when he went all balistic about me quoting BBF's post and it seems to be when he started calling everyone an idiot all the time.
Since you seem to love misquoting me I'll have to respond and direct their attention to the thread in which I said that I DO NOT KNOW WHAT EVERY PLAYER MADE IN 2004 BUT IF JOE WANTED TO KEEP MEMO HE COULD HAVE MADE MOVES TO CLEAR SPACE AND DO SO.

http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16247&page=2

Maybe you can read all caps because you certainly can't read normal text.

Whether or not I am right or wrong on keeping Memo doesn't matter. There was no tantrum. It was a discussion based on fact in which we disagreed. Probably the last time I've seen you actually discuss facts too.

Yet you seem to bring murder into the discussion for some reason and think it's funny.

Linking to the thread only shows how terribly wrong you were all over that thread and how dumb it was for you to get upset at me for "misquoting" you when I was quoting BBF.

BFF isn't even in this thread. How exactly does this mean you quoted BFF?:


You missed the tempertantrum a week ago where he flipped out because he couldn't name anyone on the 04-05 roster while declaring it the easiest thing in the world to keep both Memo and Sheed on that team.

I see no mention of BFF in your claim that I couldn't name anyone. BFF didn't even post in the thread I linked too. Where did you learn to read anyway?

We were talking in two threads. You didn't link to the one where you melted down and said you were going to stop coming back here (what happened to that plan by the way).

That settles it, I am giving up responding to the two of you indefinitely, perhaps permanently, I would ask you to do the same you.

this could be fun

We were talking in two threads. You didn't like to the one where you melted down and said you were going to stop coming back here (what happened to that plan by the way).

Show me the quote of BFF that I freaked out about.

I'm moving this here shortly since it has nothing to do with Palin.

your "pretty good" text is in fucking quotation marks moron. you can't use the quote function because I didn't say it. If that isn't quoting then what is?

I'm so fucking done with this board. I'm debating leaving for a while because I'm so sick or people not being able to read. I get so mad on here lately I can't even stand it. I read 1 or 2 threads and that's it because of shit like this where people put words in your mouth.

Please follow through on your "threat" to leave.

Way to contribute.

again, show me the link so we can see it in proper context.

Do your own fucking search. The quote is right there.

I like pretending that you don't remember crying at your keyboard though. Explains how you can't recall anyone on the 04-05 team.

Fuckin Chris, left me out of the title.

Chris could we start our reconciliation by you, as Admin, adding me to the title?

I might have to quit working early today and go home if this gets any more fun

Do your own fucking search. The quote is right there.

I like pretending that you don't remember crying at your keyboard though. Explains how you can't recall anyone on the 04-05 team.
see, you are a complete idiot. You just said I can't recall anyone on the 04-05 team yet again. And why should I research your claim? That's plain stupid. The sky is green, go do some fucking research for me to back it up now.

So is your next post going to explain how you meant Glenn said it and not me?

You are a waste of bandwidth. I've seen better English comprehension from the help operators in India.

Fuckin Chris, left me out of the title.

Chris could we start our reconciliation by you, as Admin, adding me to the title?

My beef with you is limited to politics. I can't recall it extending beyond that forum.

Now you don't remember listing off trade after trade of guys who weren't on the team to get space for Memo?

Is that why you're always asking for links? It's the only way you can remember the last dumbass thing you spewed onto the page?

Is it a condition?

Am I being insensitive?

Now you don't remember listing off trade after trade of guys who weren't on the team to get space for Memo?

Is that why you're always asking for links? It's the only way you can remember the last dumbass thing you spewed onto the page?

Is it a condition?

Am I being insensitive?

I listed of a bunch of role players that could have been traded with picks for cap space. I listed guys like Corliss, DC, EC, etc and said I don't know which ones were under contract at the time or for how much. Who was on the team did not matter. The point was that Joe did not feel that trading one of those guys with a pick for an expiring was worth finding room for Memo. Those are the facts.

I also said that at the time I would have kept Sheed over Memo just as Joe did. I think almost all of us said that.

The point was that you wanted to give Joe credit for drafting Memo but absolve him of all guilt for letting him get away. He couldn't have kept both without making moves, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have cleared space to keep him. He made a choice to go with his role players (and adding Dyess as well) rather than making a serious effort to keep Memo.

This all stemmed from the fact that you couldn't admit his drafting is pretty shitty overall. You want to use Memo as an example of good drafting yet you won't accept the fact that Joe wasn't high enough on him to clear space for him. Clearly he didn't think Memo was a center he could win with long term, but he thought Darko was.

I've seen no valid argument from you saying otherwise to this day. The reason I ask for links is because you continually misquote me. I even provided you a link to the thread about that topic and you still couldn't find the words you say I typed.

My beef with you is limited to politics. I can't recall it extending beyond that forum.

Can I get in if I call you moron in another forum?

I can do that.

Nope. I choose not to enter the ring with two people at the same time.

BUT I HAVE THINGS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS THREAD!

I listed of a bunch of role players that could have been traded with picks for cap space. I listed guys like Corliss, DC, EC, etc and said I don't know which ones were under contract at the time or for how much. Who was on the team did not matter. The point was that Joe did not feel that trading one of those guys with a pick for an expiring was worth finding room for Memo. Those are the facts.

I also said that at the time I would have kept Sheed over Memo just as Joe did. I think almost all of us said that.

The point was that you wanted to give Joe credit for drafting Memo but absolve him of all guilt for letting him get away. He couldn't have kept both without making moves, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have cleared space to keep him. He made a choice to go with his role players (and adding Dyess as well) rather than making a serious effort to keep Memo.

This all stemmed from the fact that you couldn't admit his drafting is pretty shitty overall. You want to use Memo as an example of good drafting yet you won't accept the fact that Joe wasn't high enough on him to clear space for him. Clearly he didn't think Memo was a center he could win with long term, but he thought Darko was.

I've seen no valid argument from you saying otherwise to this day. The reason I ask for links is because you continually misquote me. I even provided you a link to the thread about that topic and you still couldn't find the words you say I typed.

Chris, you really need to do some research on all this.

I listed of a bunch of role players that could have been traded with picks for cap space. I listed guys like Corliss, DC, EC, etc and said I don't know which ones were under contract at the time or for how much. Who was on the team did not matter. The point was that Joe did not feel that trading one of those guys with a pick for an expiring was worth finding room for Memo. Those are the facts.
Those aren't fucking facts. How many times do we have to play out that same damn thread. We traded away our picks for Sheed. It absolutely DOES matter who was on the team and when.

Only your dumb ass would think it doesn't matter who was on the team when trying to show who Joe could have traded away.

I mean. Are you serious?

You can't be this dumb.

I mean fuck. Just reread the thread. NO ONE agreed with any of your half-cocked theories and EVERYONE contributed to showing you just how dumb you were being.

Please fucking stop reliving the thread over and over.

Chris, you really need to do some research on all this.

Unless you're suggesting that prior to the 2004 title run Joe D should have traded the entire bench for expiring contracts so as to ensure enough cap room to resign Memo. Sorry, if that's what you were suggesting, I'll just keep my mouth shut.

I'm am suggesting, just like I did in that thread, that Joe could have opted not to sign Dyess, to move a vet role player or two on the bench with a future pick (that is allowed BTW Fool, regardless of what we traded for Sheed...you cannot trade consecutive picks is all), for cap space. I'm sure someone had a trade exception or a non guaranteed contract.

Or he could have simply chosen to keep him over Sheed. As I said I wouldn't have done the last one, but I still don't know how you can simply say he has no blame in letting Memo go. Shit, he could have traded Darko for the space to sign him. Joe felt Darko was better long term than Memo and was fine with Sheed/Dyess up front until Darko was ready. PERIOD. I would have agreed with him at the time also, but it doesn't make it right.

Once again, MLE.

He's so dumb.

That's really all there is.

It's sad.

Gotta be hard to get that dumb.

I have two things to contribute to this thread:
1) Murder can be funny sometimes.
2) It's sad that "insensitive" isn't the fad anymore. Those were the good 'ol days. I'm obsolete.

Call me old fashioned or Dad type, but this new fangled Contributionist movement just isn't catching on with me. I will not be switching parties, instead opting to remain an Insensitivist.

It might not be what the kids are into, but I'm a man of principle.

You guys are totally missing the damn point. You give Joe credit for drafting Memo (fine, even though that thread clearly talked about how every team finds a gem now and then in the first round and the 2nd round is a complete crap shoot). Then you for some reason absolve him from all blame in letting Memo go. Even though the same guy manages the salaries on this team. He signed other guys that used up cap space, he makes the trade to have cap flexibility and he's the one that extended other players. The fact remains that he did not think Memo would be this good or he would have done things differently leading up to that year in order to have the space he would have needed to keep him.

You morons like to say he found Memo, he found Afflalo, he found Amir and Delfino (which aren't great rotation players anyway, but whatever). None of them are playing here. So why do we give him credit for supposedly finding contributors that aren't on the damn team? What do we have to show for these guys being elsewhere? We got nothing for Memo, nothing but minor cap space for Amir and Afflalo (so we could overspend on BG),. Thankfully we got JJ with one of the Delfino picks or all these 'gems' he found would have been a total waste.

Anyway. I can't help it if you Joe Dumars draft lovers can't get a clue. I'm done with this damn debate about his drafting. I thought this whole topic was done until Fool decided to bring it back from the grave to spam every thread with his killing comments he made up.

The apacalypse was a buzz kill here.

No one is more oblivious than WTFChris.

I love that he ALWAYS goes back to Joe not being a good drafter as if anyone has argued that for the last half decade. "You morons keep saying he found all these guys in the draft." Seriously, just keep bumping one of 17 threads where you and P repost your "breakdowns". We don't need a whole website of you popping in to say, "Hey, guys! Want me to list every decent player from every draft for the last 10 years so I can pretend I know something about basketball?"

They changed the CBA to restrict teams from signing other team's 2nd rounders because NO ONE keeps 12 million dollars of their cap space ready in case their second rounder blows up. Most of the world calls it the Gilbert Arenas rule. I'm sure you would too if you took the time to remember anything prior to yesterday.

Someone should start keeping track of how many times you've been dead wrong about this. It HAS to be a record. Any normal person would have figured out they didn't have a clue by now and stopped typing.

Hang on - is this the "Could have retained Memo" thing?

Couldn't Joe have renounced Sheed and kept Memo?

Or were we already close enough to the cap that even if we renounced Sheed there was no way to offer Memo what Utah did?

That was the only real option, renounce sheed to keep memo. It was one or the other.

I guess my question is: why the fuck are we wasting energy on a signing that happened six years ago?

On a similar note, I'm still not happy with Benedict Arnold's decision to sign with Great Britain. I know he was doing what was best for his family, but the decision doesn't sit well with me.

I guess my question is: why the fuck are we wasting energy on a signing that happened six years ago?

On a similar note, I'm still not happy with Benedict Arnold's decision to sign with Great Britain. I know he was doing what was best for his family, but the decision doesn't sit well with me.

I couldn't be bothered to go back and read the context of Chris "Memo" thing but I have a few ideas:

1) Chris might have mentioned it after once again seeing Joe's lack of aggression at the trade deadline.

2) Chris might have mentioned it after putting up with half a pathetic season due to poor free agency/drafts/roster management

3) Chris mentioned it cause he (may have) wanted to retain Memo way back when and it still irks him

Only Chris knows for sure - but his motivation doesn't really matter. He has the right to post pretty much whatever the fuck he likes and it doesn't matter what you or some others might think.

And while I realise you and others might be sick of dealing with Chris (and I) when it comes to certain topics the fact remains we can post whatever the fuck we want and will.

Peace and may the force be with you and others.

BTW, feel free to ignore my posts on whatever topics you're tired of discussing. You ignoring me isn't gonna have a big impact on my day but might make you feel a hell of a lot better.

And that's what I'm all about, bro - making you feel better.

I never brought up Memo. We had a damn thread about Joe's drafting where we said that 2nd rounders were a crap shoot and shouldn't be included in the discussion. People kept bringing up Memo to defend his drafting so I said that if you want to give him credit you better be willing to knock him for also letting him go. Sure, it wasn't like he could have signed him outright and kept everyone, but it was still possible.

No one is more oblivious than WTFChris.

I love that he ALWAYS goes back to Joe not being a good drafter as if anyone has argued that for the last half decade. "You morons keep saying he found all these guys in the draft." Seriously, just keep bumping one of 17 threads where you and P repost your "breakdowns". We don't need a whole website of you popping in to say, "Hey, guys! Want me to list every decent player from every draft for the last 10 years so I can pretend I know something about basketball?"

You are the idiot that brought it up. That draft thread is like a month old. Yet you run around on here spamming other threads with this killing bullshit (then we had to dig up this topic to explain why you are running with your stupid joke). I dropped the topic, you did not. You still can't. I said I would ignore your posts and you can do the same. Yet this thread still persists a week later.

Stop bitching about the past when you can't let it go. Get a life and move on. It's well documented you disagree with my opinion, so why do you continue this bullshit? Move on.

And you wonder why I get mad. Why don't you stop spamming other threads and we can move on?

I'm only responding to you dipshit. Stop posting new ways to be wrong and the thread dies.

Also, LOL@ making a thread for it and then bitching about there being a thread for it. You're the fucking mod genius. Lock shit if you don't want it used.

Once again you are dead wrong. I posted comments about Palin/GOP stuff in the LOL@Palin thread. The first 10 posts from this thread were posted there. Post #5 clearly shows you brought up the Dumars thread with your comments about the 04-05 team. I said nothing about that thread for weeks. You brought it up.

Can't wait for you to spin this one.

Um, my first post in this thread shows I'm responding to your "you guys don't contribute" post.

So, how is it that I'm the one always starting shit?

You made the fucking thread. If you don't want it used. Stop fucking using it.

Um, my first post in this thread shows I'm responding to your "you guys don't contribute" post.

So, how is it that I'm the one always starting shit?

You made the fucking thread. If you don't want it used. Stop fucking using it.

Yeah, just because I said you don't contribute doesn't mean I brought up a drafting thread. That was your old joke.

I never said I didn't rip on you. I said that I did not bring up the draft thread, or killing people, or any of that shit. You started all that and for some reason you can't admit it. Whatever. I'm done wasting my time responding to your antics.

That's right. I forgot the rule that said whenever Chris says you don't contribute, you aren't allowed to mock his "contributions". Or your temper tantrums, apparently.

That really should be on the front page somewhere.

Keep posting in this thread that you want everyone to stop posting in.

I never said not to post in here. I said I was done with the Memo issue and I never brought it up. You have some amazing reading skills.

And when you 'mocked' my contributions you couldn't even get it right. We've already been through your "can't recall anyone from the team" comments. I don't consider it a worthwhile mocking when you can't even get your facts straight.

There are two pages in here documenting your misquoting idiocy. You responded with the "thanks for contributing" one liners because you knew you were dead wrong.

I would love another post where you list off another set of opinions and call them facts.

Please make that your next "contribution." The "Joe D can't draft" post gets old but the "WTFChris doesn't even know the definition of the word 'facts'" post never does.

I'm pretty sure that quoting someone is stating something as a fact, but whatever.

Thank you.

Thank you.

You're welcome. I'm not sure why you are happy I proved you wrong though...

You misquoted me, I called you out for getting the facts wrong, you said I don't know what facts are, I told you quoting is calling something fact, you said thank you.

You are about as confusing as White Goodman in Dodgeball.

quoting is calling something fact

Keep going.

Can you 2 just get a room so the rest of us don't have to put up with your lovers tiff?

Oh, hang on - I should have put IMO at the start of this post, just in case someone thinks I'm trying to state my opinion as fact.

But wait - I'm the one typing so it must be my opinion. Why would anyone assume I'm stating it as a fact?

Doesn't your interpretation of what I type determine if YOU think I'm stating my opinion as a fact?

And if that's true, then how can YOU accuse me of stating my opinion as fact when in reality I have no control over how you interprete my posts?

Mmmm, ponder this I shall....

63 posts, lol, IMO

edit: 64

P is also unhappy that Chris made a thread specifically for this.

Are all you mods dense? Use your power and lock shit if you don't want it used.

I would ask everyone here to hug and make up. But i've ben told that type of talk has no place in the terrordome. So ummm nevermind.

P is also unhappy that Chris made a thread specifically for this.

Are all you mods dense? Use your power and lock shit if you don't want it used.

Just a tip:

I'm generally unhappy about everything on here and in my life right now.

ouch.

Wow, this is somewhat entertaining. I am confused whether that is a fact or an opinion.

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