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Vinny
01-16-2010, 04:11 AM
So I need to make a bunch of interweb submissions that appear to come from different sources. Nothing shady or anything, just need to help out a friend's new store. I know that the site tracks the IP addresses (and potentially mac addresses?? Don't know if this is really possible.) that submissions are made from and eliminates repeat submissions. So can I use a proxy or something to do this all from the same computer and internet connection?

Please help, sorry about the whole rehab thing...

Zekyl
01-16-2010, 11:07 AM
Worth a shot. Don't know if this will work or not. (http://www.wikihow.com/Change-your-IP-Address-%28Windows%29) You should be able to use a proxy, as well.

UxKa
01-16-2010, 11:51 AM
Keep in mind they might track cookies too, so you would have to delete the site cookie each team as well as change your IP. We track cookies, and can tell if you're just changing IPs.

Uncle Mxy
01-16-2010, 12:40 PM
I'd start with Tor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(anonymity_network)

Beyond IP address, there may be things like cookies, Flash LSOs, Silverlight Isolated Storage, etc. that the site may use to track state, especially if a lot of people have acted along the same lines as you to pimp some new store.

Vinny
01-16-2010, 03:46 PM
Thanks guys, much obliged.

geerussell
01-17-2010, 11:29 PM
An easy way to take care of the cookies issue is to use the incognito feature in the chrome browser. For incognito windows, all browser temporary stuff--cookies, cache, etc--is created and stored in ram and then goes poof when the window is closed. No trace of anything that came before and nothing leftover after.

Uncle Mxy
01-18-2010, 10:17 AM
An easy way to take care of the cookies issue is to use the incognito feature in the chrome browser. For incognito windows, all browser temporary stuff--cookies, cache, etc--is created and stored in ram and then goes poof when the window is closed. No trace of anything that came before and nothing leftover after.
It doesn't really work with Flash LSOs (which Google itself uses for tracking, along with classic cookies). Basically, all Chrome can do is advise Flash that it's in "incognito mode" and the Flash plugin actually has to act upon that. Of course, the Chrome people call this "fixed":

http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=158

The simple solution is to disable Flash, but that assumes that the site(s) Vinny submits to don't turn out to need Flash to actually function. That's increasingly true these days. <sigh>

Unfortunately, there's other emerging frameworks that exist beyond the browser instance -- Microsoft Silverlight, Google Gears (part and parcel of Chrome), etc. Most people think of "plugins" as plugging some bit of functionality _into_ your browser. But, it can be the case that you're plugging your browser _into_ some other piece of crap that doesn't give a crap about your privacy.

From a long-term perspective, nothing will get solved soon. Standards like HTML5 are supposed to reduce the need for third-party plugins like Flash. But, those standard also involve caching "state" on the client in ways that Flash and traditional web cookies only wish they could.

Fool
01-18-2010, 03:58 PM
Which rehab facility, I mean "store," are you pimping Vinny?

geerussell
01-18-2010, 04:31 PM
It doesn't really work with Flash LSOs (which Google itself uses for tracking, along with classic cookies). Basically, all Chrome can do is advise Flash that it's in "incognito mode" and the Flash plugin actually has to act upon that. Of course, the Chrome people call this "fixed":

http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=158

The simple solution is to disable Flash, but that assumes that the site(s) Vinny submits to don't turn out to need Flash to actually function. That's increasingly true these days. <sigh>

Unfortunately, there's other emerging frameworks that exist beyond the browser instance -- Microsoft Silverlight, Google Gears (part and parcel of Chrome), etc. Most people think of "plugins" as plugging some bit of functionality _into_ your browser. But, it can be the case that you're plugging your browser _into_ some other piece of crap that doesn't give a crap about your privacy.

From a long-term perspective, nothing will get solved soon. Standards like HTML5 are supposed to reduce the need for third-party plugins like Flash. But, those standard also involve caching "state" on the client in ways that Flash and traditional web cookies only wish they could.

Good info in that link. One of the posts talked about the flash settings page, which I'd never bothered to find, where you can set whether flash will allow things like flash cookies, cam and mic access, updates, etc. This isn't a browser specific thing or even a local control panel, but rather a webpage for changing flash settings.

http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager02.html

UxKa
01-18-2010, 06:41 PM
As Mxy said, incognito modes aren't a sure thing.


Have many new accounts been popping up on WTF lately? :)

Vinny
01-18-2010, 07:18 PM
What I need it for is yelp . I need to make multiple accounts and post multiple reviews. Yelp deletes reviews posted from the same computers though.

Tahoe
01-18-2010, 07:25 PM
What I need it for is yelp . I need to make multiple accounts and post multiple reviews. Yelp deletes reviews posted from the same computers though.

What if you just asked a few of your 'bro's' on a website that you might be affiliated with to post them?

Vinny
01-18-2010, 08:35 PM
What if you just asked a few of your 'bro's' on a website that you might be affiliated with to post them?
Well. the way Yelp works, they try to weed out fake reviews so they delete reviews from people that only post a few within a short time frame. To get them to stay up, you need to review several places over the course of a few weeks to a month so it looks like you're a legitimate and active "Yelper". It'd be great if anyone on here would be able to help but it's kind of a pain in the ass.

It's annoying as there have been a few legitimate, unsolicited good reviews that have just disappeared all of a sudden. (There have also been a few bad ones that went away so it evens out....there have been bad ones that regard transactions that just plain never happened that were presumably made by the competition...)

Tahoe
01-18-2010, 08:44 PM
Ok, thanks. I'll go back to READING this thread.

Glenn
01-18-2010, 09:27 PM
Threads like this make me wonder if it's just me and about 200 fake accounts, all run by Vinny, posting here.

Tahoe
01-18-2010, 09:39 PM
I am really me, not Vinny. I promise.

Fool
01-18-2010, 10:25 PM
Yelp is quality. I won't help you fuck it up with your Cubs lovin' bullshit.

Vinny
01-19-2010, 02:49 AM
Threads like this make me wonder if it's just me and about 200 fake accounts, all run by Vinny, posting here.

Come on Glenn, that's just crazy talk!


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