With the reports that Philly is willing to consider moving Iggy in a TMac deal, there are also rumblings that they'd part with him if a team would be willing to take on Brand or Dalembert.

I came up with this deal, which I really like, but I'm sure some here won't.

Sure, it's not perfect, but are we going to find a perfect deal that gets rid of both Rip's & Max's contracts?

Iguodala is a near top tier wing scorer, a very good all-around player at the 3, and he can help facilitate some offense for us, too. Brand is playing better as of late. Worst case, he'd be easier to move down the road than Rip because he's a big.

Rip goes back home and Philly is able to sell this to their fans.

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I also like that we retain Kwame & Wilcox's deals that could be bundled together for another big, if we were willing to take on more $/years.

Tough call since Brand's contract could go either way. He will either be worth that amount of cash or be a huge anchor. There is NO chance he outproduces that much cash. Huge liability. I would think Philly acquiring TMac for AI actually gives them less liability and more upside with TMac.

No intention to hijack, but why not use Tayshaun to pursue TMac somehow?

I'm guessing Philly are willing to deal Iggy with Brand for McGrady or other short contracts due to the financial burden they fear with Brand's deal.

Which is why Joe should be on the fucking phone trying to trade Tayshaun and spare parts for Brand.

Big money or not he's a legit post scorer and can play C (probably better suited to C now anyway). His deal is the same length as Rip's too so you have those 2 plus Nova and BG as your 4some to build around.

I'm not in love with the idea of trading for Brand but you gotta be realistic. If we don't wanna part with "too much" to get a legit big man then you gotta take some risks on dudes.

Brand is a big risk due to his contract but I'm guessing he could put up a double double most nights at the C position for us. And with Nova at the 4 + Rip and BG here we'd have enough shooting to give him some room down low.

He'd actually make us a much better halfcourt team AND reduce Big Ben's minutes for the remainder of this season (and all of next season). That might prolong Big Ben's career by a year or 2.

For Philly they'd have Dalembert/Thad Young/Prince/Iggy and Iverson as the starting line-up with Lou Williams, Speights and whatever else they have off the bench. Williams and Speights have performed pretty well this season too.

They also have the benefit of watching Tayshaun and Dalembert come off the books at the same time - saving them a lot of money and possibly putting them in a position to add a top quality player around Iggy, Thad Young and Lou Williams. Should they manage to suck this season and next you could add 2 more capable young guys to that as well.

Looks like you are talking about a different deal.

This is Iggy + Brand for Tay, Rip + Max.

Kind of shitty that expirings alone could have got us Zach Randolph, who at this point is far more dominant than Elton.

G, that deal doesn't exactly improve Philly's cap situation. After all, Iggy is actually playing close to his contract. He should be the one they least want to move. A much more realistic deal would be Tay and Kwame for Brand and a lotto protected first. I added the first since Philly would gain a good player on a short term deal as well as 4.1M in cap space. This would free them to move Iggy for TMac, who would then start at SG. Not that I want to do it, but at least to think about.

It improves Philly's cap in 3-4-5 years.

This deal makes some sense Glenn, but the team you built is the one you're going to battle to for the next 3 years.

I would probably do it. Not too crazy about either Brand or Iggy (Do we really need another shooting guard?), but I am even less crazy about watching Rip and Prince for another few years.

As for Brand/Randolph. To me, Randolph's low IQ/chucker mentality is way too close to Charlie V to have 2 of them. They're talented dudes who can score in bunches, but 1 is plenty. Brand is a bit smarter, plays a little D, and has more of a pick and pop game that should help the guards have someone to pass to that would actually look to just knock down a shot rather than put the ball on the floor, and try some fancy move.

Stuck / Gordon / Iggy / Brand / Wallace with Bynum / Daye / Jonas / CV / Insert big man flavor-of-the-month here would be a solid lineup if Brand excels a bit better in the Pistons' slow-it-down system.

Yeah, having Randolph on your team is really nothing to be thrilled about.

I agree with P that Brand is better suited at the 5 spot... his length is comparable to most centers (Including Kaman & Bogut).

I like Thad Youngs upside & contract.

Brand & Young 4 Rip, Kwame & 2nd round

Sorry GD - I just figured you were joking with your deal.

How the fuck do we expect to land Iggy? Simply by taking Brand's contract off their hands? Ok, I'll roll with it...

So explain why they would take Rip's contract and Maxiell's? Or why they'd want one of them (forget both of them in a package)

Prince I can understand - 1 and a half more seasons and they can let him walk. Combined with Dalembert's axing and that equals some nice cap space.

But with Rip and Maxiell around their cap situation doesn't improve. In fact some could argue that Brand's contract is not as bad as Rip's since a) he's a big man, b) is a potential double double c) is a big man (yes, I mentioned it twice) and d) they've got Iverson to sell tickets

I seriously doubt Philly wanna do the GD trade. But a Prince/Kwame deal for Brand and a 2011?

They dump their worst contract for some cap relief after this season and the rest of it after next season. The cost is a first round pick, unprotected in 2011.

Why 2011 and not 2010? I figure the Iverson experiment will be over after this season and they will not have significant space to add anyone of note in the off-season. I don't see Prince helping them much win-wise so it'd be a Lottery pick.

Or fuck the pick and ask for one of their young guys. Either way I'd be happy.

But there ain't no fucking way they go from discussing Iggy/Brand for McGrady for cap relief to discussing Rip/Tay/Max for ... why would they do it again?

Sorry GD - I just figured you were joking with your deal.

How the fuck do we expect to land Iggy? Simply by taking Brand's contract off their hands? Ok, I'll roll with it...

So explain why they would take Rip's contract and Maxiell's? Or why they'd want one of them (forget both of them in a package)

Prince I can understand - 1 and a half more seasons and they can let him walk. Combined with Dalembert's axing and that equals some nice cap space.

But with Rip and Maxiell around their cap situation doesn't improve. In fact some could argue that Brand's contract is not as bad as Rip's since a) he's a big man, b) is a potential double double c) is a big man (yes, I mentioned it twice) and d) they've got Iverson to sell tickets

I seriously doubt Philly wanna do the GD trade.

It allows them to remain competitive, maybe even improve, while accellerating their ability to hit the "reset" button on their roster.

Some people think that AI2 got too much $, and everyone thinks that Brand did. In that regard, they are sort of in a similar situation that we are with Rip & Tay. Obviously, AI2 is younger, but for both teams, there is no "magic" solution to fixing the roster mix, so some chances need to be taken.

Hometown boy gets to go home (Rip), Tay's deal is an expiring next year and Max is sort of like Brand lite. Significantly lite, but similar nonetheless.

Yeah, Iggy's deal is no gem.

But wouldn't they rather keep Iggy and basically just dump Brand?

I think a starting line-up of Dalembert, Young, Prince, Iggy and Iverson for the next 2 seasons is pretty interesting/good.

They'd have Kwame, Speights, Williams, Green and Holiday as a bench this season, plus Kapono. That's OK.

They could draft a big man in 2010 that essentially replaces Kwame and then the following off-season Prince and Dalembert come off the books. I'm not a Sixer fan so I dont know their cap situation but surely with those 2 coming off the cap they'd have some room to add someone decent and/or young.

I think you could sell a core group of Iggy, Young, Williams, Holiday and their 2010 big to fans. Talent and youth is always an easy sell.

For us it's not such an easy sell, taking on Brand's contract and killing our future "flexibility". But bigs that can post double-doubles aren't readily available in trades and with Rip, Nova, BG and Brand I think we'd be pretty fucking good for the next few years.

Then we'd have Rip and Brand's big expiring contracts to deal if things weren't going so well.

It's a risk - but it's not like trading for some other big doesn't come with a risk.

But wouldn't they rather keep Iggy and basically just dump Brand?

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Yes, but we would rather get Iggy without taking on Brand.

Now, if only there were some compromise we could work out.

lol Hermy