and we should if:

1. He would be interested in going to a contender (or just below).

2. Someone will give us a pick.

Simple matter of fact Ben won't be here the next time the Pistons raise a trophy. With his salary, a lot of teams that are going to be on tight budgets may take a look. Not to mention some teams may be wanting to sell the pick regardless so as not to take on the salary what with the FA bounty to be had.

Teams that might fit are ATL, MIA, HOU. Not sure if any of those are good enough for Ben to want to go through the hassle.

Ben may be the worst thing that's happened to our lotto chances.
No disrespect intended but we don't want to be 1/2 way good... that's a losing deal.

So we repay a guy for coming in and playing his ass off by trading him because "We don't want to be good."

I'm not sure about how that sell will work in the locker room.

So we repay a guy for coming in and playing his ass off by trading him because "We don't want to be good."

I'm not sure about how that sell will work in the locker room.

No, no, no. We trade him because we want the pick and he wants to win. The losing is a potentially positive side effect.

I think Ben likes it here. Don't think that he wants to move and go play for another team.

No way. Ben wants to be here. He is teaching our young guys to lay everything out on the court. He knew exactly what he was getting into when he signed on. He already has a ring. He wants to go out as a Piston.

And I would rather be mediocre than terrible. You don't want all of our young players "tainted" by a team that has no chance to even sniff the playoffs. That's when bad habits are developed.

Joe will have to find draft steals (Jonas is a good start), and trades to get back to the top.

We've already got some good young talent with Rodney, Bynum, Gordon, Daye, CV, Jerebko, and to some extent Summer/Max. Look to move Rip/Tay for expirings or any kind of youth, and we're well on our way. This undermanned squad has competed in nearly every game this year, and are only a few pieces away from pushing back toward the top of the conference.

I'm not sure you'd get that much for him anyway. What, a second rounder? That's not worth the message you send by moving him IMO.

Now if the Pistons can't get back in the playoff hunt I wouldn't have a problem with Joe asking if he wants to be moved to a contender.

Agreed. Unless he brings back a first or something, I don't do it in any way shape or form.

Seriously, the way Ben fucked up the "up and coming" Bulls only makes me love the guy more as a Piston.

We ask for a late first. We gave up a late first for Arroyo who was in the doghouse and had a bad contract. Ben is a leader who has a min. deal. ATL would be looking at like the 24th pick I'd guess and may not want it.

Would you for the 24th?

He's probably already been promised the head coaching job when he retires.

Dumars fucks up high picks (which is what we'd get without Ben). We can get something in late-teens early twenties by keeping Ben and we get the added benefit of watching hustle all season.

Dumars fucks up high picks (which is what we'd get without Ben). We can get something in late-teens early twenties by keeping Ben and we get the added benefit of watching hustle all season.

TOM WILSON PLEASE PICK UP THE WHITE COURTESY PHONE

How about we trade Ben, and you get the added bonus of watching me hustle grass on your kids playground?

Seriously, the way Ben fucked up the "up and coming" Bulls only makes me love the guy more as a Piston.

Amen