You know the rules.

Rodney Stuckey is a cool guy.

It's really neat when a guy from a small school makes an NBA roster.

He's doing an incredible job on the glass for a pg.

Remember when he said, "that's me" at the draft?

That was a good answer.

He's better a better PG than Flip Murray.

Gotta love rookie deals.

Kid isn't afraid of getting blocked.

He's courageous.

I posted in the RS Assessment thread before I saw this. Kinda wish I hadn't now. . . But I did it because Pharoah asked, not for any of you.

For the record, Atticus, I'm still a Rodney Stuckey fan. I just don't like arguing with Glan and his cronies about why he's no good.

I had zero support the last 2 years when it came to this subject, I'm still not quite sure what to think about this.
It feels like a trap.

For the record, Atticus, I'm still a Rodney Stuckey fan. I just don't like arguing with Glan and his cronies about why he's no good.

#1 - I ain't one of Glenn's cronies.

#2 - who said Stuckey isn't any good?

#3 - the kid has game, has a ton of potential and I judge him by the same criteria I judge all rookies/young players.

If they haven't shown much by the end of their 3rd season it's time to move 'em on.

Obviously Stuckey has shown a lot, so I'm all for keeping the dude. I never said I didn't like him, or that I thought he was crap or whatever.

I'm quite happy we've got him and I'm pretty sure everyone else is too.

The debate isn't about him as a player - the question is "Is he or isn't he a PG""

Didn't mean to offend, P. I was just stating my position.

I think the subject has been debated to death, that's all I'm saying. I think he can be a good combo guard with the right backcourt pairing, but I also think with a lot of work he could succeed as a big PG. It will just take more time to do that. Learning the PG position is the hardest position to learn in the NBA, and it's even harder when you've never played that spot in your life.

ALL DONE. I'M NOT COMMENTING ON THIS AGAIN FOR AT LEAST THE REST OF THE SEASON.

(Sorry to call you a crony - I wasn't actually referring to you or anyone in particular for that matter)

I didn't get offended, man - just stating my case.

I realise that because GD is here all the time and always posting that anyone who agrees with his actual position (right now Stuckey ain't a pg) might get thrown in to the same group.


I think he can be a good combo guard with the right backcourt pairing, but I also think with a lot of work he could succeed as a big PG. It will just take more time to do that. Learning the PG position is the hardest position to learn in the NBA, and it's even harder when you've never played that spot in your life.


That's basically my position - although I wonder if we're hurting the kid by not letting him be "all he can be" in his natural position/role.

^I basically agree with you, MoTown and P. It's not a debate as much as it is just wanting others to at least understand my position on Stuckey, even if they won't agree.

Everyone can agree that the guy can ball and get to the hoop like nobody's business. I think over the last few games the shot has been clicking as well. His rebounding numbers are superb, and even the assists are improving. It just seems premature to say that he isn't a PG, IMO. I think we should hold off until the end of this season to make that judgment.

I predict that he ends the season averaging around 17.5 PPG, 6.7 assists, and 7 rebounds, and that's my conservative estimate. The high end would be something like 19 PPG, 7.2 assists, and 7.5 rebounds, IMO. The first prediction is one I feel pretty safe with.

Atty, I'm with you for the most part, but those numbers are pretty bold. Seriously, 17.5/6.7/7 as a conservative estimate?? Those are like HOF type numbers! I hope he can do it but really??? If he goes 17/6/4 I'd be ecstatic!

If Stuckey can average 17ppg, 6rebs and 5 asts I will be stunned.

Ain't no way he does it. NONE!

That's my prediction lol

I know I've said that I don't read into stats this early in the year, but here are his currents:

16.0 points, 5.9 rebounds, 4.1 assists

He's not really far away, all things considered. Just find the open man a few more times a game and he's there, right?

I think it's a given that the points will creep up a little bit now that the shot is falling more consistently, rebounds will stay around the same. The question is, can he keep netting around 6 assists or more per game, as he has recently?

I think it's a given that the points will creep up a little bit now that the shot is falling more consistently, rebounds will stay around the same. The question is, can he keep netting around 6 assists or more per game, as he has recently?
Points may be harder to come by once Rip gets back. I'm less concerned about absolute #s than I am about ratios -- FG%, 3P%, assist to TO, rebound rate, etc.

Really, I think he needs to let the game come to him and he'll do fine. He's shown some flashes of that... let's hope for more.

I'm with Mxy - FG%, 3pt% and assist to turnover ratio is more important.

That said the way he plays is more important than numbers. His control of the team, the pacing, the direction he provides...

Kuester talking big shit with this claim, time will tell i guess.

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2009/11/john_kuester_on_wbbl_pistons_r.html

I believe that's just all about motivating Stuckey to be all he can be defensively.

What do you expect Coach to say?

I believe that's just all about motivating Stuckey to be all he can be defensively.

What do you expect Coach to say?

Do you really want to know?

Stuckey's the only player keeping us in this game with Dallas.

Stuckey's the only player keeping us in this game with Dallas.
big ben, maxiell, kwame and bynum have all done their part too.

I believe that's just all about motivating Stuckey to be all he can be defensively.

What do you expect Coach to say?

Sounds about right.

How bout Will the thrill... that cat is for real

National media attention in 3...2....1.....

He's been one of the better SGs in the East over the past 5-6 games, for sure.

He's been one of the better SGs in the East over the past 5-6 games, for sure.
Defiant until the end.

How is that not a compliment?

Rules of the thread, my man.

And I'm complimenting you. You can give Rodney Stuckey the largest amount of praise that you've ever given him, yet you still can't resist throwing in the SG piece. The only thing that would have made it sneakier is if you would have typed it as SG instead.

Edit: SG is supposed to be at 1 font. But it's not working.

I guess including him in with guys like LeBron, Wade, et al isn't high enough praise these days.

Glenn's just happy he was the first to discover Stuckey was not a PG

I guess including him in with guys like LeBron, Wade, et al isn't high enough praise these days.
Stop

I don't think Glen was defiant, and this is sure as shit not the end.

^Good point.


Glenn's just happy he was the first to discover Stuckey was not a PG

Let me know when we're allowed to say "I told you so" about Bynum to him, P.

And now a word from our presenting sponsor:

Rodney Stuckey owns. That is all.

So when everybody is healthy and he's playing PG, will this thread really heat up.

So when everybody is healthy and he's playing PG, will this thread really heat up.

I'm counting on it, personally. I'm hoping it's next week, 'cause that's when I'll be off work for two weeks and will have ample time for WTF.

Here's a question to keep this thing going:

If Stuckey continues at this pace he has set over the last 7 or so games, will the coaches vote him in to the All-Star Game?

And it wouldn't be a thread without this:





December 11, 2009



Rodney Stuckey makes most of his time to shine
BY MICHAEL ROSENBERG
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

"He's got an unbelievable combination of speed and strength. That's hard to come by. And there is nothing that he really can't do. He is going to be an All-Star, for sure." -- Chauncey Billups, talking about Rodney Stuckey, on the night of Billups' last playoff game as a Piston.

Well, Chauncey Billups was right. He saw it for himself Thursday night, in his return to the Palace: Rodney Stuckey is going to be an All-Star. Not this year. But eventually.

The Pistons are a mess right now, but they are an admirable mess. Nearly everybody is injured. Ben Gordon is out. Rip Hamilton is out. Tayshaun Prince is out. Things are so bad that when coach John Kuester said Will Bynum would miss the Nuggets game because of an ankle injury, reporters had to ask which ankle, because Bynum's left and right ankles have been bothering him. (Thankfully, Bynum's middle ankle is fine.)

Thursday night, they had to play rookie Jonas Jerebko for 34 minutes. Rookie forward Austin Daye played 23 minutes at guard. Chucky Atkins, who was demoted from the Pistons' starting lineup seven years ago, started and played 35 minutes.

And the Pistons beat the Nuggets, who are on the outskirts of title contention.

It was ridiculous, absurd, and while the Nuggets' lack of energy played a role, let's take a moment to appreciate the best thing the Pistons have going for them now: Rodney Stuckey.

Stuckey scored 25 points in a win against his old teammate, Billups, just one night after scoring 27 points in a win against his old teammate Allen Iverson. The extra scoring is not a surprise -- Stuckey has more chances to score. The interesting thing is that, even though teams can key on him, Stuckey's shooting percentage keeps going up, too.

"He's far along now," Billups said afterward. "Stuckey is playing great now. I'm happy for him. I'm proud of him. He's the kind of guard that, with his mixture of speed and strength, he's difficult to cover. He's a problem out there."

He will be a bigger problem as the season wears on -- and when the Pistons get healthy, he might create a problem for Kuester. One reason Stuckey is playing so well is that the Pistons have taken him off the ball, out of necessity. When Gordon and Hamilton come back, Stuckey will go back to being a point guard.

In the meantime, Stuckey is playing better than he ever has. He has added a post-up game. Thursday night, Stuckey got trapped along the right side and threw the ball off Denver's Nene, out of bounds, saving the possession. Then, with the shot clock winding down, he drew a foul on his old teammate, Arron Afflalo, saving the possession again.

Billups is one of the best in the NBA at both drawing fouls and selling contact to officials, which really is an art. Stuckey is still learning both skills, but he is getting better.

"Experience is always the best teacher," Billups said. "You pick up small little tricks. He is doing a good job of that."

Stuckey needs to improve his outside shot. He needs to show he is really a point guard. And yet ... somehow, his deficiencies just highlight how good he can be.

At the end of the game, the Pistons kept getting the ball to Stuckey. The Nuggets, with one last chance, got the ball to Billups. Mr. Big Shot missed. Stuckey's team won.

And then, as Billups hugged all his former mates, Stuckey waded through the crowd, trying to get Chauncey's attention. Stuckey waited until it was his turn. But he wasn't going to just disappear.

Discuss.

I'm counting on it, personally. I'm hoping it's next week, 'cause that's when I'll be off work for two weeks and will have ample time for WTF.

Here's a question to keep this thing going:

If Stuckey continues at this pace he has set over the last 7 or so games, will the coaches vote him in to the All-Star Game?
We'd need to win the next 20 of 25 games or so to do so, and even then I'm not too sure. The way I see it, Wade and Carter are locks barring injury, so his competition would be Joe Johnson and Jesus Shuttlesworth, both on teams trending toward 60-win seasons. Joe Johnson in particular has been playing at Stuckey's recent level all year long.

Yeah, he'd have to play better than this level. He's still only shooting .410 on the year, he has to make up for a bit of time.

At the pace he's set since he's started at SG, by the time the All Star selections happened, he'd be shooting well over 41%. I'm taking that into account.

(Thankfully, Bynum's middle ankle is fine.)

:record:

Let me know when we're allowed to say "I told you so" about Bynum to him, P.

Whenever you feel the need to do so, Mo.

nownownownownownownownow

Oh, a positive re: our starting Combo G = likes to put up big numbers in different cats to keep people talking.

One game it's 7 boards, the next 7 assists, then it's 7 turnovers.

That's very nice of him.

Seven TO's!

We should trade him for a 2nd rounder. Right Glan?

^insensitive

Respect the thread.

He's learned to stop taking 3s. Much better player for it. Working on that shit in practice, not the Palace floor.

I think I might have to credit him for his mental toughness.

Last season was an abortion yet he survived. This season so many of our better players have been injured yet he's suriviving and helping us win games.

Ay what point does it stop being about his weaknesses and start being about his strengths? Joe's drafted worse fucking guards - a lot worse.

EASTERN CONFERENCE PLAYER OF THE WEEK

trade value = high :)