Is the fact that it's tough to choose a bad thing?

But you heard it here first, it's not Stuckey!

not yet, at least

How is it hard?

Really?

Like, because of Tayshaun?

Maxiell.

Like, because of Tayshaun?

Tay, Max, Gordon, Rip, maybe even Kwame, could all be in the discussion.

How about Wilcox's $3m wasting way on the bench?

Most people would say Max, I assume.

Tay, Max, Gordon, Rip, maybe even Kwame, could all be in the discussion.

How about Wilcox's $3m wasting way on the bench?

Most people would say Max, I assume.
Not Wilcox's fault we are giving Maxiell every chance to earn his extension that will be a pain to move. Have to trick some team into believing in maxiell.

Gordon and Rip are averaging 20. No one is saying them.

Its Tay or Max no question.

Not Wilcox's fault we are giving Maxiell every chance to earn his extension that will be a pain to move. Have to trick some team into believing in maxiell.
I don't think it's any of their "faults" what are they supposed to do, turn down the money?

Gordon and Rip are averaging 20. No one is saying them.

Its Tay or Max no question.

I appreciate your concern about the choices.

Thanks!

I don't think it's any of their "faults" what are they supposed to do, turn down the money?

They are supposed to play well.

Gordon and Rip are averaging 20. No one is saying them.

Its Tay or Max no question.

Glad you're so sure, seems like you thought it was Tay "no question" about a half hour ago.

When the first thing you can say when the possibility of trading Rip comes up is "not with that contract", then he might be overpaid.

And lots of people here thought we overpaid for Gordon, go back and read the threads.

I thought it was Max no question. I said "you mean because of Tay" because I suppose some silly fools might say Tay is the most overpaid. I admit that some people are dumb and would think he's the least worth his money.

When have I ever said we can't trade Rip because of his contract? last I knew you were scarred he was leaving and I was sure he was going to resign here. I don't know anything about not being able to trade Rip. You were buying insurance on his ass.

People think we overpaid for Gordon because we already have his position settled. Not because he doesn't produce.

I should have used "one" instead of "you" in that second sentence, it does change the meaning, sorry.

Because someone is locked into a long term deal at a time when no one is looking to acquire such things, does not make him "overpaid".

Perhaps not. But if I would have phrased it "who has the worst contract" then Rip would likely be the guy. As a franchise, you can probably mask/absorb a $5m non-escalating deal without too much harm, but when the dollars get into the neighborhood that Rip's in, then that deal has the ability to cripple/hamstring a team.
Might be two different discussions, though.

How much should Tay be making based on what he currently contributes?

If Rip was bad it would have that ability. But I don't get how he's hurting us. What else would we spend the money on if it was gone today? Boozer?

Rip's contract is non-escalating. It actually goes down from the high it is this year.

If this thing goes as badly as it seems like it might, Rip's deal could severely hamper Joe's ability to blow up/re-make the team, no?

No.


You hate any contract that isn't the minimum. That's unquestioned.

I hope you don't hand out the Christmas bonuses at your job.


Fucking phone cards again? Damn.

Yes, I'm the only one that doesn't love his contract, unconditionally.

:)

How much should Tay be making based on what he currently contributes?
Anybody care to throw a dollar amount out there? You can even ignore the fact that guys like Artest and Ariza just signed for about half what Tay makes.

He's also making less than players like Josh Howard and Larry Hughes and Bobby Simmons and about the same as players like Deng and Dunleavy. I'm saying this because you can't compare his salary to other players. It's not an equal system.

So how much?

$13

(by the way, never ask me how much any athlete should make. I've always been under the opinion that no athlete deserves to make more than 6 figures)

He's also making less than players like Josh Howard and Larry Hughes and Bobby Simmons and about the same as players like Deng and Dunleavy. I'm saying this because you can't compare his salary to other players. It's not an equal system.

And lumping in Tay with a bunch of guys that are overpaid doesn't really help prove the case that he's not overpaid himself.

So slanted.

First of all, don't argue with me. You only have 107 posts, newbie. And we treat newbies like shit here at WTF.

Second of all, that's my point. When you're comparing players salaries in any sport, it's just arguing for arguments sake. All of these players are overpaid. Certain guys can cash in when the time is right. Other guys get screwed when the market sucks. Other guys can sign with teams for nothing because they're ring whores. There is no set way to compare salaries.

I think that Tay is in the range of what a player of his caliber should be paid. But, if you're going to compare salaries based off production, you're no better than Hollinger.

Thanks, that's probably about as close as I am going to get to a real answer here.

For the record, I think he probably deserves in the $7-8m range. More than the MLE, but nowhere near $10m+.

Just slightly more than Earl Watson?

Why does this topic make you so uncomfortable? You've done nothing but dodge.

Fool makes more than all of them. Deal with it.

Does dodging mean stating that Max is the clear answer to this thread and that anyone who says otherwise is dumb?

If so, then yes.

If Max should be in the $3m ballpark, for example, and instead of $5m, then it's not as simple as you would like everyone to believe.

But at least you are consistent with your "if you don't agree with me, you're dumb" stance. Nice!

And shame on me for trying to generate discussion on a discussion board, lol.

We should just lock each thread after you have spoken.

Max should be bagging my groceries.


And shame on me for trying to generate discussion on a discussion board, lol.

We should just lock each thread after you have spoken.

If I were a mod.

And shame on me for trying to generate discussion on a discussion board, lol.
That's like Fox generating news. :record:

Glenn, how did you determine that Tayshaun should be making in the $7-8 million range?

Is it because Artest is bat-shit crazy and could only get the MLE?

Is it because Ariza's agent tried to hardball the Lakers and his client had to "settle" for the MLE?

Is it because Josh Howard, Bobby Simmons and Larry Hughes ARE overpaid and are paid what Tay gets paid?

Or is it because you just thought that $8 mil "sounds about right"?

Cause if you're gonna go by production and/or value to the team I'd say he's worth as much as Ben Wallace is right about now.

What's Ben's salary again? I kinda forgot.

It's pretty much just my opinion of what he should be making, based on my proprietary system of player salary projections (PSPSP).


Also, I knew that no one else was going to be willing to share their opinion, so I just gave mine so you could all sit back and feel good about picking it apart.

It's pretty much just my opinion of what he should be making, based on my proprietary system of player salary projections (PSPSP).




(x2 + p + y)2 = px2 - qx - r + p2 + 2y(x2 + p) + y2
= (p + 2y)x2 - qx + (p2 - r + 2py + y2) (*)

p=pump fakes.

You bastard!

Gentlemen, we have a mole!

That was great, Herm.

:hollinger:

Went with my heart and chose Gayshaun over Maxiell.

That was a solid DNP-CD Maxiell contributed yesterday.

What did Tay contribute?

He makes more than twice as much.

Sigh. You are being disingenuous.

Right, and you weren't. Nice sample size.

Tay/Max trade speculation:
http://www.motownstringmusic.com/2009/11/4/1114623/does-dumars-have-something-up-his

Kwame and Ben W. have been doing pretty good, but I'd love to get some new blood underneath.

I was being sarcastic. It's not the same.

How much does Frankenstien make?
.

Maxiell has got to be the choice, if only because we're paying Kwame, Ben, Wilcox and Jerebko less than him and those guys actually fucking play!

No matter what they "contribute", no matter how much they fuck up at least they're playing.

And how fucked up is your career when Chris Wilcox and Jonas Jerebko have forced you out of the rotation completely? Pistons DNA my arse.

It shows a lack of heart and determination that little "Mad Max" was supposed to OWN!

I don't wanna say it...

Fuck that - I DO wanna say it:

I told all y'all motherfuckers