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Glenn
10-27-2009, 04:50 PM
Let's get this party started.

:gutsy:


Detroit (0-0) at Memphis (0-0)

Game info: 8:00 pm EDT Wed Oct 28, 2009
TV: FSD, FSTN

By JEFF MEZYDLO, STATS Senior Writer
Oct 27, 12:17 am EDT

Allen Iverson(notes) wasn’t the answer the Detroit Pistons were looking for to help them contend for an NBA title in 2008-09. He likely won’t be on the court with his new team to face Detroit to open this season.

The new-look Pistons begin their quest to return to prominence in the Eastern Conference on Wednesday night at Memphis, which might have to wait for Iverson to make his Grizzlies debut.

Iverson averaged 17.4 points and 4.9 assists in 57 games after being acquired in a trade with Denver for the popular Chauncey Billups(notes) in a cost-cutting move last November, but the Pistons opted not to re-sign him.

With teams expressing little interest in the 34-year-old, 10-time All-Star, Iverson eventually signed a one-year, $3.5 million deal with the Grizzlies, but it’s uncertain if he’ll dress Wednesday as he recovers from a torn hamstring.

“They’re saying it’s a possibility, but it’s also a long shot,” Iverson said. “You know that’s one of the ones I definitely want to play.”

With Iverson in tow most of the way, the Pistons went 39-43 for their first losing season since 2001, and were swept in the first round of the playoffs by Cleveland. Detroit had reached the conference finals the previous six seasons and the Finals twice in that span, most recently in 2005, when it lost to San Antonio in seven games.

In another move to free up salary-cap space, Detroit let go off aging forward Rasheed Wallace(notes), leaving Richard Hamilton(notes), Tayshaun Prince(notes) and recently re-acquired Ben Wallace(notes) remaining from the 2003-04 championship team.

Hoping to improve on the offensive end after ranking near the bottom of the league with 94.2 points per game, the Pistons signed young scorers Ben Gordon(notes) and Charlie Villanueva(notes) - reunited after leading Connecticut to the 2004 NCAA title.

Gordon, 26, averaged 20.7 points last season to lead Chicago in scoring for the fourth straight year, and 24.3 during an exciting seven-game, first-round playoff series against Boston.

The 25-year-old Villanueva, who joins his third team in five seasons, averaged a career-high 16.2 points and 6.7 rebounds for Milwaukee in 2008-09.

They join a young nucleus that includes 23-year-old guard Rodney Stuckey(notes) (13.4 ppg, 4.9 apg) and 6-foot-11 first-round pick Austin Daye(notes), who averaged 12.7 points and 6.8 rebounds for Gonzaga last season.

Though the 31-year-old Hamilton spent a portion of last season coming off the bench, he averaged a team-leading 18.3 points.

“They’re making a lot of changes,” said Gordon, who signed a $55 million, five-year contract and has averaged 19.3 points in 10 games versus Memphis. “They still have a few pieces from the championship team, but there’s definitely some new blood and we’re hungry.”

The biggest change might be on the bench, where longtime NBA assistant coach John Kuester replaced the fired Michael Curry to become Detroit’s sixth head coach in 10 seasons. Kuester has spent 13 years as an assistant for five teams, most recently with Cleveland. He was on Larry Brown’s staff when Detroit won its last title.

“For the last seven years, the criteria for success here has been making the finals,” said Joe Dumars, the team’s president of basketball operations. “That’s not the gun that will be held to John’s head. Right now, we’re looking to move this franchise back in the right direction.”

That quest begins Wednesday against Memphis, which went 24-58 in 2008-09, after winning 22 games in each of the previous two seasons.

Like the Pistons, the Grizzlies struggled to score, averaging a Western Conference-low 93.9 points per contest.

Memphis has individual talent, but will likely need those parts to come together as a whole in order to make the playoffs for the first time since 2005-06.

Iverson, when healthy, could help if he remains content playing behind point guard Mike Conley(notes) (10.9 ppg, 4.3 apg). The Grizzlies also traded for forward Zach Randolph(notes), who proved to be a distraction at times during previous stops with the Clippers, New York and Portland.

Randolph averaged 20.8 points and 10.1 boards last season, which he split between New York and Los Angeles.

He’ll join a starting lineup that features returning leading scorer Rudy Gay(notes) (18.9 ppg, 5.5 rpg) and rookie of the year runner-up O.J. Mayo(notes) (18.5 ppg).

With that experience and 7-foot-3 first-round pick Hasheem Thabeet(notes), the Grizzlies feel they have a team that can be a playoff contender.

“We’ll surprise people. It’s us against the world,” Randolph said. “Everybody’s got us picked last, but we’ve got to show them different.”

The Pistons have won their last four visits to Memphis.

Glenn
10-27-2009, 04:59 PM
Opening line in Vegas is Pistons -2

MoTown
10-27-2009, 09:25 PM
Shouldn't I be more excited about opening night?

Uncle Mxy
10-28-2009, 07:11 AM
Odds of AI cracking 20+ points against us in their home opener?

Glenn
10-28-2009, 07:15 AM
Not very good , since he's not expected to play.

Uncle Mxy
10-28-2009, 10:21 AM
I'll believe it when I see AI in a suit on the bench... not one moment before.

Glenn
10-28-2009, 10:58 AM
Kuester still undecided about who'll start for Pistons

BY VINCE ELLIS
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

First-year Pistons coach John Kuester still isn't disclosing the starting lineup for tonight's season opener.

Asked to shed some light on who will hear their names announced at Memphis' FedEx Forum tonight, Kuester replied: "We're still debating some of this stuff and we're very close to making that decision, but we'll have pretty much a definitive answer tomorrow night."

Kuester can keep his secrets for now, but it's pretty safe to say Rodney Stuckey will be at point guard, shooting guard Rip Hamilton will be coming off screens for his patent mid-range jumper and Tayshaun Prince will get first crack at guarding Grizzlies small forward Rudy Gay.

But the two frontcourt spots are still up in air. The three candidates -- Ben Wallace, Kwame Brown and Charlie Villanueva -- all got starts in the exhibition season.

But circumstances dictated the starting decisions. Villanueva missed the first five exhibition games with a left hamstring injury, and Brown missed the last two with stretched ligaments in his left hand. Wallace got two games off -- one for rest and one because of a sore knee.

Brown and Villanueva appear to have the edge. Brown will take on the bigger big men in the league and the Grizzlies' Marc Gasol, who stands 7-feet-1 and weighs 265 pounds, qualifies.

And with fellow free-agent acquisition Ben Gordon coming off the bench, it's hard to see Villanueva doing that as well.

The Pistons also are going to be conscious all season of keeping Wallace's 35-year-old legs fresh.

"I'm ready and willing to play every game and every minute if need be," Wallace said. "Every minute I'm on the floor, I'm going to give it my all.

"If they decide not to put me out there or decide to play me for 2, 3 or 5 minutes then that's on them."

No matter the starting lineup, it will be interesting to see how Kuester will mesh eight newcomers to the 14-man roster.

"We know it's not going to be all great from Day 1," Prince said. "We got to build chemistry and a bond.

"It will take time for us develop, but we just got to see what happens when we start the season off."

NOTEBOOK: Hamilton was excused from practice for personal reasons Tuesday, but Kuester said he will be in the lineup tonight. ... Prince said his sprained right big toe was improving and felt a lot better. ... It looks doubtful that Grizzlies guard Allen Iverson (torn hamstring) will play tonight. ... The Pistons' radio broadcasts have a new home with WXYT-FM (97.1). When there is a conflict with other Detroit sports teams, the Pistons will normally air on WWJ-AM (950).

Kstat
10-28-2009, 12:11 PM
Ben. V, Tay, Rip and Stuckey.

Glenn
10-28-2009, 05:19 PM
I'm tempted to go 105-87, but I'll go with 114-107, Memphis.

Kstat
10-28-2009, 05:23 PM
fuck memphis. and fuck anyone who isnt with this squad.

Glenn
10-28-2009, 05:28 PM
That's the spirit, 82-0 baby!

Glenn
10-28-2009, 07:18 PM
Actually, what was I thinking? Pistons win 114-107!

Atticus771
10-28-2009, 07:29 PM
Pistons probably set to lose a tight game. 107-103.

Atticus771
10-28-2009, 07:33 PM
Anyone else happy that Kuester got the starting lineup right from the first game? I feel like with Curry still here we'd be starting Stuckey, Gordon, Rip, Wilcox, and Kwame.

Glenn
10-28-2009, 07:37 PM
Booooo!

Glenn
10-28-2009, 07:45 PM
^re post #13

That bynum vs. KG highlight from last year was just sick!

Atticus771
10-28-2009, 07:56 PM
Booooo!

I'm just being an objective fan.

Atticus771
10-28-2009, 07:57 PM
To expand, I think we'll be too thin at the SF position tonight. We'll endup playing too much small ball and the defense will be sloppy as a result. There's my objective analysis.

Atticus771
10-28-2009, 07:58 PM
To borrow Glan's phrase, Boo! League pass is showing the Memphis feed tonight. I was hoping for some sweet Blaha action.

Fool
10-28-2009, 07:58 PM
Objectivity is not for gamethreads.

Atticus771
10-28-2009, 08:03 PM
^82-0, then. Langlois for GM!

Atticus771
10-28-2009, 08:07 PM
WTF Memphis announcer. Ben Wallace is not Kwame Brown. Fail.

Atticus771
10-28-2009, 08:09 PM
Is this game chatworthy?

gusman
10-28-2009, 08:13 PM
Gooo Pistons...lets get this shit started

Train Wreck
10-28-2009, 08:21 PM
2 fouls for Villanueva already... At least he's attempting to play defense...

Atticus771
10-28-2009, 08:36 PM
Welcome, BG!

Atticus771
10-28-2009, 08:45 PM
Majorly sucky first 12 minutes of the season and we're somehow up.

Kstat
10-28-2009, 08:52 PM
holy shit, are we running actual offensive sets?

Timone
10-28-2009, 08:52 PM
Got points?

Glenn
10-28-2009, 09:05 PM
I like what I see so far!
That makes two of us, friend!

Tahoe
10-28-2009, 09:05 PM
Ben G's shot is a lot like mine. I release it and you can't even see the net move I'm so accurate.

Glenn
10-28-2009, 09:06 PM
5 assists already for Will!

Timone
10-28-2009, 09:12 PM
I liked the sound the net made on Stuck's jumper.

UxKa
10-28-2009, 09:14 PM
Ben G's shot is a lot like mine. I release it and you can't even see the net move I'm so accurate.

Wear your glasses... it's cuz you're missing.

Timone
10-28-2009, 09:17 PM
The net didn't even move on that one.

Tahoe
10-28-2009, 09:23 PM
^ Tahoe'esque.

Kstat
10-28-2009, 10:12 PM
fellas, I do believe we have a team.

Fool
10-28-2009, 10:18 PM
We aren't the worst team in the league.

Kstat
10-28-2009, 10:19 PM
we're beating the living shit out of them and nobody wants to say anything?

Glenn
10-28-2009, 10:21 PM
Langlois has been getting a raw deal here.

Fool
10-28-2009, 10:24 PM
Rip's shoes are wack.

Tahoe
10-28-2009, 10:24 PM
I like his shoes too.

Fool
10-28-2009, 10:26 PM
Memphis has fewer PGs than we do.

Timone
10-28-2009, 10:39 PM
The game against OKC will be fun to watch.

UxKa
10-28-2009, 11:03 PM
Awesome, judging from the box score. I think that's almost exactly what I was hoping for. Given it was a shitty team, but still.

Cross
10-28-2009, 11:18 PM
Memphis was horrible...Rudy looked good, but the grizzlies are horrible.

BG and rip looked good though

Uncle Mxy
10-28-2009, 11:32 PM
Wow... that was some easy pussy.

Timone
10-28-2009, 11:34 PM
I expected Memphis to win this game. I'm about as pleasantly surprised as you can be after the first game.

Pharaoh
10-29-2009, 12:32 AM
Not surprised we got beaten on the boards. Happy we didn't have a ton of turnovers though. Memphis did so too bad for them.

Looks like our guards were pretty good. Nova got some blocks? Damn!

And Kstat was right - Ben Wallace will be fine at C.

A lot of positives to take out of the game. Let's hope they get on a roll, build some chemistry and bring the young guys (Daye/Jerebko) along slowly

Cross
10-29-2009, 03:31 AM
I didn;t watch the last 5 minutes..but heard rip got injured? anyone know the extent of that

UxKa
10-29-2009, 06:55 AM
A lot of positives to take out of the game. Let's hope they get on a roll, build some chemistry and bring the young guys (Daye/Jerebko) along slowly

Glenn
10-29-2009, 07:46 AM
Great guard play last night, only 9 turnovers!

Only 2 in the first half!

Glenn
10-29-2009, 07:52 AM
I can't recall offhand, how many guards typically make the Eastern Conference All Star team?

Glenn
10-29-2009, 08:32 AM
Who is your player of the game?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AscwXhhcCruenjWGAOVecQGQvLYF?gid=200 9102829

It's a tough call (which is a nice problem to have!) but I'll go with...

RIP HAMILTON!!!

Glenn
10-29-2009, 08:33 AM
Also, Maxey looked good until the refs decided to take him out of the game!

Black Dynamite
10-29-2009, 09:06 AM
Also, Maxey looked good until the refs decided to take him out of the game!
I thought that he did a horrible job of boxing out on the defensive boards. Besides looking out of shape and that, he did ok.

MoTown
10-29-2009, 09:29 AM
I'm hoping this new schtick doesn't last the whole season, Glan.

Black Dynamite
10-29-2009, 10:00 AM
Don't think we'll be the nba leader in scoring, but from the look of things we'll be efficient for sure.

Glenn
10-29-2009, 10:38 AM
Don't think we'll be the nba leader in scoring, but from the look of things we'll be efficient for sure.

Agreed!

CindyKate
10-29-2009, 11:26 AM
Glan's prolonged sugar rush is fun to watch.

Glenn
10-29-2009, 11:44 AM
I'm just high on life, friend!

Hermy
10-29-2009, 11:53 AM
I'm just high on life, friend!


"Hey kid, you really wana fly?"

Glenn
10-29-2009, 11:59 AM
Rasul? Is that you?

Hermy
10-29-2009, 12:06 PM
check your PMs.

Vinny
10-29-2009, 12:11 PM
I didn;t watch the last 5 minutes..but heard rip got injured? anyone know the extent of that

Recommendation: Hamilton suffered the injury while being fouled by O.J. Mayo (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4389/;_ylt=Ap0j91UVEMeu9rYYCmzJFQTWCsQF)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4389/news;_ylt=AnLEy9Kwnb73WPtSP7B2p2rWCsQF) with less than five minutes remaining. X-rays were negative, but the ankle was so sore after the game that he had to be carted around the locker room in a wheelchair. We should know more after the Pistons re-evaluate him on Thursday.

Higherwarrior
10-29-2009, 12:16 PM
dumb that rip was even in the game that late in a blowout, early in the season or not.

Glenn
10-29-2009, 12:19 PM
I'm sure Coach Q had a good reason for that.

Uncle Mxy
10-29-2009, 02:38 PM
Why weren't Atkins and Summers in? Were Daye and Jerebko required to take up an active roster slot as part of the suspension? I don't recall how it works with the 15-man-but-only-12-suit-up era.

Glenn
10-29-2009, 03:08 PM
must...resist...being snarky...

Can't wait for the next game!

Pharaoh
10-29-2009, 07:46 PM
I'm guessing Coach played the guys he wanted to play for some reason.

It might be chemistry, it might defensive rotations, it might for offensive sets.

It's early in the season and you gotta build shit up before you think about resting dudes, especially when we have so many new guys that are gonna log plenty of minutes (like 3 "starting calibre" players in Big Ben, BG, Nova)

Black Dynamite
10-29-2009, 08:28 PM
Why weren't Atkins and Summers in? Were Daye and Jerebko required to take up an active roster slot as part of the suspension? I don't recall how it works with the 15-man-but-only-12-suit-up era.
League said we could only dress 10 i think, to give the suspension proper bite i guess.

Uncle Mxy
10-29-2009, 08:37 PM
Let's make sure the suspension hurts the team, not just the individual... ugh.

Higherwarrior
10-29-2009, 10:37 PM
i hardly think 5 meaningless minutes at the end of a blowout will contribute towards a whole lot of positive things.

a lot of good it will do for team chemistry now that he'll be out for a while.

i'm not hating on Q as i like him so far. i'm just calling it like i see it and IMO he shouldn't have been in the game. if this had been curry as the coach, somehow i think people would be jumping all over him for the decision. curry was an idiot in his own right, but i'm just saying- let's be fair. it was the wrong decision IMO.

but whatever- it's game 1 of 82 and there are few other storylines to follow right now. just trying to stir shit up- i mean, spark some discussion.

Glenn
10-30-2009, 06:10 AM
I disagree when people just try to stir shit up for sake of discussion, especially after a great Piston win!

Glenn
10-30-2009, 12:53 PM
WE NEED AN OGT FOR TONIGHT