(http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal)Dallas Mavericks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal) owner Mark Cuban says steroids could have a legal and useful place in sports -- as long as they are administered under a doctor's supervision to help athletes recover from injuries and there's no risk of long-term health effects.

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Mark grabbin' headlines again. His shit is so orchestrated.

Mark grabbin' headlines again. His shit is so orchestrated.


Fuck you, pal.

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I agree with Mark. Steroids are much safer than many occupational hazards.

I'm sure all fans and owners just love it when their sports heroes sit on the bench in a suit, rehabbing from some injury and taking awhile because we're worried about using steroids even under a doctor's supervision.

I'm against underground steroid use because it sets the bar for competition where you have to turn yourself into a human drug trial to compete, pumping your ass full of whatever black market cocktail you got from some shady mofo hanging out in the gym lockerroom.

To the degree that steroid use can be brought to the same level of safety and supervision as any other drugs or medical procedures I don't have a problem with it. By that I don't mean perfectly safe, simply that the risks/benefits have been assessed, the people administering it are accountable in some fashion and the user can make a relatively informed decision.

I dont know much about steroids, if anything, but I have a negative perception of it.

I'm sure most other people are the same, which would make implementing something like this even more difficult. People are unlikely to agree with something they know nothing about, kinda like nuclear power...

3 very good posts.

The thing that sucks for an athlete is that there are plenty of legal treatments that you and I can get and they are not allowed to have. Steroids are already used for a wide variety of ailments under doctor supervision. Athletes can't use a host of over the counter drugs that we can. They get a head cold and can't use nasal spray, or something like that. It's ridiculous.

Yeah, athletes have it rough. Poor athletes.

They should conduct steroid experiments on WNBA players.

Yeah, athletes have it rough. Poor athletes.

I wasn't implying that. I simply meant that there is a host of legal medicines they cannot use, and the only reason is because they don't allow doctor lead steroid treatments.

If something is legal (and monitored correctly), then you don't need to ban everything that might look like or mask that substance.

Banning the lot does prevent people using them illegally though.

I'm sure there are doctors who would take the extra $ to give someone performance enhancing steroids without blinking an eye.

Sure some might need it to heal and whatnot, but it also brings in a tough aspect of proof to deal with if anyone tests positive.

When the NBA condones steroid use, i stop watching it.

...but do you stop posting ...?

There are a LOT of different types of steroids. Some are more 'performanc enhancers' than others.

They should only be alowed to use them to recover from an injury and they should not be able to be active until x amount of days after they stopped the treatment.

Yes! Make them heal faster but keep them off the field for the same length of time!

Those poor athletes.

^ Kind of a good point. I still think it helps and would prolly shorten the time they are out.

I used steroids illegally and legally. I was prescribed steroids for my back...back surgery. They definately help.

They should conduct steroid experiments on WNBA players.

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Anyone remember Chris Benoit? Yeah, I'll bring up pro wrestling.

Apparently Benoit's doctor was giving him all kinds of roids and meds and that's why Benoit went fucking crazy and killed his wife, child and then himself.

I've read Chris Jericho's book and he was tight with Benoit and according to Jericho the Benoit who did the murder/suicide is so far removed from the guy he knew for years and years that it's like Benoit became a different guy.

Basically no one knows what roids will do to a person long-term or what a large dosage could do in the short term because for some reason it's something people don't wanna discuss/debate/bring into the public conscience.

Why is that?

Can't we get some studies going on roids? Isn't that the smart thing to do?

It doesn't matter if you agree with roid usage or you don't - the fact is it's happening, has been happening for a while now and it's time people started to actually pay attention to it's effects both in the short and long term.

As far as NBA players are concerned I'd say under certain conditions roids could be used. But who decides what those conditions are or who the doctors are?

And here's a what if scenario:

What if roids get approved by the NBA and then a team has a guy get hurt. He chooses to take roids in an effort to come back.

Another dude on that same team gets hurt. He chooses roids too.

Then some other dude gets hurt. He doesn't wanna take roids.

What does that say about him? What does ot say to his team mates? What does the organisation think of him now?

And let's be honest - guys making less money are gonna be more likely to take the roids so they can show they are committed to the team and we all know what peer pressure can do in that kind of environment.

Slippery slope.

I guess I don't know enough about steroids to say if there would be long term effects if a doctor supervised it. I would think there would need to be a lot of research before this plan was actually given the green light. I would also think that it would be difficult to test players the same way they test them now: if steroids stay in your system for a while, why couldn't a player use a little extra while he's injured to get a leg up on the competition.

I wonder if HGH would be something that would be considered. From what I understand, there's no known negative side effects and it's like a miracle drug. If there's an injury, HGH would cut the healing process in half.

I wonder if HGH would be something that would be considered. From what I understand, there's no known negative side effects and it's like a miracle drug. If there's an injury, HGH would cut the healing process in half.
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That's what I've been saying for awhile now. Rambo 5 will explain it all.

But on the flip side of this, I don't think the players need any more advantages than they already have. As Fool said (paraphrasing) "Don't feel bad for the players." I understand that an injury could devistate their already short career, but isn't that just survival of the fittest? These guys have made it to the NBA because they were born with incredible genes and traits, and even though they all love to say how hard they worked to get there, everyone else has worked just as hard but aren't naturally as gifted. So if these players end up getting hurt and ending their careers, that's basically, as they say, the breaks. At least they got the chance to play.

Sorry if that post sounded too harsh.

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It ain't harsh - it's fair.

Take a guy like Bill Walton - dude got injured and is remembered for it.

A guy like Luc Longley stayed relatively healthy, won 3 chamionship rings and no one gives a fuck about him.

Getting injured is a fact of life for an athlete. You push your body to the limit and sometimes it's gonna break. How you handle that is what matters.

Right now the playing field is supposed to be fair (not naive enough to think it actually is).

Letting roids into the frame changes that playing field.

Take a dude that injures his knee. He gets roids and now his knee is better than ever. What about all the players that have a "sore" wheel but wouldn't "qualify" for roids because it's not an injury, just "sore"?

Not all steroids are created equally, nor are they endowed with inevitable 'roid rage and other bad side effects.

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Anyone remember Chris Benoit? Yeah, I'll bring up pro wrestling.

Apparently Benoit's doctor was giving him all kinds of roids and meds and that's why Benoit went fucking crazy and killed his wife, child and then himself.

I've read Chris Jericho's book and he was tight with Benoit and according to Jericho the Benoit who did the murder/suicide is so far removed from the guy he knew for years and years that it's like Benoit became a different guy.

Basically no one knows what roids will do to a person long-term or what a large dosage could do in the short term because for some reason it's something people don't wanna discuss/debate/bring into the public conscience.

Why is that?

Can't we get some studies going on roids? Isn't that the smart thing to do?

It doesn't matter if you agree with roid usage or you don't - the fact is it's happening, has been happening for a while now and it's time people started to actually pay attention to it's effects both in the short and long term.

As far as NBA players are concerned I'd say under certain conditions roids could be used. But who decides what those conditions are or who the doctors are?

And here's a what if scenario:

What if roids get approved by the NBA and then a team has a guy get hurt. He chooses to take roids in an effort to come back.

Another dude on that same team gets hurt. He chooses roids too.

Then some other dude gets hurt. He doesn't wanna take roids.

What does that say about him? What does ot say to his team mates? What does the organisation think of him now?

And let's be honest - guys making less money are gonna be more likely to take the roids so they can show they are committed to the team and we all know what peer pressure can do in that kind of environment.

Slippery slope.

Like I said, and Mxy too, all roids are not created equal...not even close.

Not all roids will make your muscles larger. Not all roid will make you go nuts. Especially if a doctor ( A LEGIT DOCTOR) supervises it.

Benoit's doc was a LEGIT Doc!

Dude just got stupid or greedy and Benoit was in constant pain.

In all fairness to Benoit I shouldn't have brought him into the discussion since he was on so many pain killers due to the schedule he was on too, which combined with his roids fucked him up something fierce.

And yes I am aware not all roids are the same. My question is who decides what rids the NBA allows and what ones they don't?

A committee of doctors? Who?

The intelligence displayed in this thread is comparable to Miley Cyrus reading highlights magazine.



Which is to say BRILLIANT.

One of Benoit's signature moves was a diving headbutt from the top rope, which is very likely to result in some concussions for every fuck up. I think it's a decent assumption that brain damage played just as much of a role in his shit, if not more. I ain't never heard of roid rage leading to mass murder, but us retarded motherfuckers end up doing that shit all the time, ya know?

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One of Benoit's signature moves was a diving headbutt from the top rope, which is very likely to result in some concussions for every fuck up. I think it's a decent assumption that brain damage played just as much of a role in his shit, if not more. I ain't never heard of roid rage leading to mass murder, but us retarded motherfuckers end up doing that shit all the time, ya know?

Are you aware that Benoit is/was regarded by his peers as THE best wrestler on the planet for a lot of his career? Dude didn't fuck up the weak "flying" headbutt move a lot. You can bet your balls on that.

Read Chris Jericho's book and you'll understand. Benoit once was so pissed that he over-sold a weak slap from Jericho during a match and chose to do 500 hack squats as a penalty! Benoit was committed like a motherfucker. Ain't no way he botched the flying headbutt much, if ever.

It might look like he botched it on tape but like I said, Benoit was regarded as the best in the business for a reason. He sold the pain/punishment better than 99.9% of wrestlers. Watch any match he had.

BTW, Benoit did have brain damage, but it was most likely caused by unprotected steel chair shots to the forehead and (even more likely) to the back of his head. Benoit was one of the few who rarely protected himself for a chair shot and would happily take one to the back of the head for the "story".

Now people know the deal which is why WWE cuts down on that shit. TNA are dumb as fuck and still have bullshit hardcore matches that are just mind boggling moronic. Any Indy promotion out there allowing wrestlers to do crazy shit or damaging shit is just pathetic, given what everyone now knows.

But, yeah - ain't no way Benoit got brain damage from botching his flying headbutt. No fucking way. Dude was a technician in the ring. People can hate him for what he did in his last moments but he was the shit when he wrestled.

But on the flip side of this, I don't think the players need any more advantages than they already have. As Fool said (paraphrasing) "Don't feel bad for the players." I understand that an injury could devistate their already short career, but isn't that just survival of the fittest?


Getting injured is a fact of life for an athlete. You push your body to the limit and sometimes it's gonna break. How you handle that is what matters.

Right now the playing field is supposed to be fair (not naive enough to think it actually is).

Letting roids into the frame changes that playing field.


I just don't understand those takes. Getting them back in the game faster as another perk for pampered players, it restores the entertainment value for me. Show of hands, who thinks sports is more fun when they can watch their favorite players sit on the sidelines in street clothes? IF steroids can be used for injury recovery in a way that addresses safety concerns, who loses?

I just don't understand those takes. Getting them back in the game faster as another perk for pampered players, it restores the entertainment value for me. Show of hands, who thinks sports is more fun when they can watch their favorite players sit on the sidelines in street clothes? IF steroids can be used for injury recovery in a way that addresses safety concerns, who loses?

Bob Costas and Mitch Albom.

I just don't understand those takes. Getting them back in the game faster as another perk for pampered players, it restores the entertainment value for me. Show of hands, who thinks sports is more fun when they can watch their favorite players sit on the sidelines in street clothes? IF steroids can be used for injury recovery in a way that addresses safety concerns, who loses?

But where do you draw the line? It's easy to say steroids should be used only for injury recovery, but what type of recovery? Is it just for torn ACLs? Maybe a severely sprained ankle? A dislocated shoulder? What if someone is suffering from migraines? How long until a player takes steroids for an injury that he's not approved to take them for and he's suspended for a half season?

You're right: if Kobe or LeBron or Dwight Howard are injured on the sideline, it's not as much fun to watch. So in a way the fans suffer. But the fans will suffer much more if the league is hampered with more steroid allegations in another one of our favorite sports. Baseball has been ruined because we get to hear about "another star player taking steroids!"

We can also come up with an example to debate: Grant Hill.

Grant Hill was just coming into the prime of his career when he was injured. He was the best all-around player in the NBA at that time. If steroids/HGH could have made him miss a minimal amount of time and come back as the player he was, would it have been acceptable?

LOL@wrastlin. How many of those fucks kill themselves? All of 'em? The NFL should approve steroids then it wouldn't have that issue with all their old players complaining that the league doesn't take care of their life-long injuries once they are out of the league.

LOL@wrastlin. How many of those fucks kill themselves? All of 'em? The NFL should approve steroids then it wouldn't have that issue with all their old players complaining that the league doesn't take care of their life-long injuries once they are out of the league.

Um, not all old wrestlers kill themselves. But believe whatever you wanna believe

But where do you draw the line? It's easy to say steroids should be used only for injury recovery, but what type of recovery? Is it just for torn ACLs? Maybe a severely sprained ankle? A dislocated shoulder? What if someone is suffering from migraines? How long until a player takes steroids for an injury that he's not approved to take them for and he's suspended for a half season?

You're right: if Kobe or LeBron or Dwight Howard are injured on the sideline, it's not as much fun to watch. So in a way the fans suffer. But the fans will suffer much more if the league is hampered with more steroid allegations in another one of our favorite sports. Baseball has been ruined because we get to hear about "another star player taking steroids!"

I see what you're saying and it sounds exactly like the current situation, with players being subject to suspension and scandal if they cross the line. If the line gets moved I'm not sure how that makes the situation worse, there will always be rules and players who break them.

Are you aware that Benoit is/was regarded by his peers as THE best wrestler on the planet for a lot of his career? Dude didn't fuck up the weak "flying" headbutt move a lot. You can bet your balls on that.

Read Chris Jericho's book and you'll understand. Benoit once was so pissed that he over-sold a weak slap from Jericho during a match and chose to do 500 hack squats as a penalty! Benoit was committed like a motherfucker. Ain't no way he botched the flying headbutt much, if ever.

It might look like he botched it on tape but like I said, Benoit was regarded as the best in the business for a reason. He sold the pain/punishment better than 99.9% of wrestlers. Watch any match he had.

BTW, Benoit did have brain damage, but it was most likely caused by unprotected steel chair shots to the forehead and (even more likely) to the back of his head. Benoit was one of the few who rarely protected himself for a chair shot and would happily take one to the back of the head for the "story".

Now people know the deal which is why WWE cuts down on that shit. TNA are dumb as fuck and still have bullshit hardcore matches that are just mind boggling moronic. Any Indy promotion out there allowing wrestlers to do crazy shit or damaging shit is just pathetic, given what everyone now knows.

But, yeah - ain't no way Benoit got brain damage from botching his flying headbutt. No fucking way. Dude was a technician in the ring. People can hate him for what he did in his last moments but he was the shit when he wrestled.

who the fuck else jumps off the top rope and lands head first on somebody? that ain't no weak ass move, that's one of the more dangerous/idiotic moves you could do. Benoit was a good wrestler, but it's not like he never fucked up. everyone fucks up, and he frequently put himself in position that when he did fuck up it was head trauma.

you're right about the chairshots but that just further proves that dude had more in play then steroids. further proves my point that steroid ain't gonna make no fucking killer, that's retardation and mental illness.

who the fuck else jumps off the top rope and lands head first on somebody? that ain't no weak ass move, that's one of the more dangerous/idiotic moves you could do. Benoit was a good wrestler, but it's not like he never fucked up. everyone fucks up, and he frequently put himself in position that when he did fuck up it was head trauma.

you're right about the chairshots but that just further proves that dude had more in play then steroids. further proves my point that steroid ain't gonna make no fucking killer, that's retardation and mental illness.

Um, have you ever seen him actually connect that flying headbutt? His head rarely connects with his opponent - that's the "art" - to have everyone think they saw a flying headbutt but his head doesn't actually connect.

Yeah, he puts himself in a position to have serious head trauma but the only time he would have suffered trauma is when he fucked up. And on that move he rarely fucked up cause it's WEAK!

It's not a suplex where you put your faith in your opponent, or a body slam, or even a clothesline where your opponent is directly involved in lifting you or hitting you.

On the flying headbutt Benoit's the one jumping "onto" a dude laying flat on the mat. His opponent doesn't move, doesn't do shit. It's the safest fucking thing he'd do all match because he's the one in total control.

I don't think many appreciate the "art" of pro wrestling or understand how fucking crazy the business is and how easily you can be hurt so here's an example:

Bret Hart was forced to retire because Bill Goldberg kicked him in the head! One of the best in-ring workers ever got kicked for real and it caused such drama he had to retire.

Misawa (Legendary Japanese wrestler) fucking DIED in the ring, after taking a back suplex.

Why did these 2 absolute legends of the business and 2 of the greatest in-ring performers get hurt/die? Cause their opponents fucked up.

Benoit doing the flying headbutt? Dude, the only way he gets hurt doing that is if he fucks it up, which RARELY happened.

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If you meant the art bit as insult to wrestlers then you are a damn Fool!

Go watch the Shawn Michaels v Undertaker match from WrestleMania this year. Tell me that it's shit.

Just cause wrestling is fake doesn't mean these guys aren't great perfomers, entertainers or athletes.

But whatever.

I wonder, after you watch an action movie do say it was crap cause it's fake?

Ooh, this is getting good. Too bad I have to go.

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Oh, I remember him - Mola once took a shot at the guy for always typing Art after every post.

My bad Fool.

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"watch the Shawn Michaels v Undertake"

Um, don't know if you're being a dick or not now.

Express yourself - tell us how you feel.

If you hate wrestling you hate it because...

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LMAO - way to change my mood.

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