View Full Version : Tay running the point
Glenn 10-07-2009, 02:50 PM NOTEBOOK: Pistons coach John Kuester said he expects Prince to get time running the point during the season
Terrible.
http://www.freep.com/article/20091007/SPORTS03/910070340/1051/Jerebko-s-aggression-wins-over-teammates
MoTown 10-07-2009, 02:51 PM Depends on how the rest of the team is used.
Glenn 10-07-2009, 02:54 PM He can't dribble the ball.
Nothing his teammates can do about that.
MoTown 10-07-2009, 03:00 PM He can take the ball up the court. He can dribble up top. He can't dribble when he's penetrating. If they're going to use him to start the offense and then hang back for the kickout jumper, that's fine. It might even work better - his two strengths are posting up smaller guys and hitting the open jumpshot. He might get to do both with this.
If Q asks him to be a creator, then yes, this is a bad idea. But running the offense is not. He is more patient than Bynum and Stuckey, so maybe this is a good thing.
I reserve the right to change my mind when I see them play this season.
Glenn 10-07-2009, 03:03 PM If he tries bringing the ball up the court, the opponent would be dumb to not press him and take the ball from him, maybe shove him to the ground in the process.
Seen it happen many times before.
I don't want to be the one to say it, but this is a reflection on Stuckey, IMO.
MoTown 10-07-2009, 03:08 PM Yes, but that fits into the whole "Depends on how the rest of the team is used" part. If you're going to leave him back there to break a press himself, then it's a bad idea. There are few true point guards that can do that. But if the term "Point Guard" is used to explain him running the offense then it is fine.
And I'm not going to disagree with you that Stuckey isn't right to run an offense. His skills would better be used off the wings. I can still see him as a PG, just not as a distributing PG. Bynum isn't really a distributing PG either, though.
Glenn 10-07-2009, 03:10 PM On the bright side, at least he won't be playing PF when he's playing PG.
That's a joke, kids.
Black Dynamite 10-07-2009, 04:12 PM Damn i know it's slow, but this wasn't thread worthy. Not the first time or the first coach to have Tay do this. Hope we don't get "Kuester bathroom breaks" threads.
imho its
http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/4/7/128836033037596334.jpg Worthy
Glenn 10-07-2009, 04:23 PM Yes, heaven forbid that we actually discuss how the coach plans to use the players.
darkobetterthanmelo 10-07-2009, 04:33 PM Yes, because this team is so devoid of point guards we need a small forward handling the PG duties.
I would rather see Stuckey, Bynum, and Gordon in that order play point.
WTFchris 10-07-2009, 05:16 PM He's not going to play PG. He would just be a point foward. Anthony Mason didn't play PG. Pippen didn't play PG. Kobe doesn't play PG.
Prince would bring the ball up, find the open wing and let the wing create. Or he can feed the post with his length well. He's not going to be taking guys off the dribble.
MoTown 10-07-2009, 06:32 PM I still maintain that the five positions in basketball are a thing of the past. You need one low post player, one high post player and three wings. One of those wings needs to know how to run an offense and find the open man. Giving a player a position is just a formality now.
Obviously that isn't the case with every team, but every player should know how to play at least two positions anyway.
WTFchris 10-07-2009, 07:08 PM Yeah, positions only mean you guard that man. Some wings are slashers, some are snipers, some bigs are jump shooters, some bangers. Offensive roles are totally separate from positions.
Tahoe 10-07-2009, 07:39 PM When has 3's running the offense worked? Serious question. Is there any doing it right now? Brain cramp.
MoTown 10-07-2009, 08:13 PM Scottie Pippen won six championships doing it. Grant Hill did it for years here in Detroit. McGrady did it when he played in Orlando.
As for right now, I'm not completely sure. Teams that don't have a pure distributing PG usually have some form of PG by committee or their player with the highest basketball IQ running the offense.
Tahoe 10-07-2009, 08:32 PM I can't even think of a couple of the pg's the Bulls had, but I didn't think Pip ran the offense for all those years. Jordan might have had a lil something to do with those championships and Phils triangle offense. But I'll give you that.
It just seems like a desperation move every time I hear it with Detroit. It seems like plan E, you know, that far down the line. Just get a fuggin PG.
Glenn 10-07-2009, 08:41 PM It's gimmicky.
Kstat 10-07-2009, 08:50 PM you're gimmicky.
Tahoe 10-07-2009, 08:51 PM You were just OWNED Glan.
Glenn 10-07-2009, 09:18 PM I would actually agree with both of you.
Doesn't mean that I'm wrong, though.
Black Dynamite 10-07-2009, 09:20 PM I would actually agree with both of you.
Doesn't mean that I'm wrong, though.
Cool, how is it gimmicky to have Tay bring the ball up(which he has been ding n and off again since at least the Flip era)? You are on some serious overreacting with this one.
Tahoe 10-07-2009, 09:21 PM edit...
nice weather out here today.
Glenn 10-07-2009, 09:44 PM Cool, how is it gimmicky to have Tay bring the ball up(which he has been ding n and off again since at least the Flip era)? You are on some serious overreacting with this one.
Talking about it is overreacting?
gimmicky doesn't mean it hasn't been tried before
WTFchris 10-08-2009, 07:57 AM I can't even think of a couple of the pg's the Bulls had, but I didn't think Pip ran the offense for all those years. Jordan might have had a lil something to do with those championships and Phils triangle offense. But I'll give you that.
It just seems like a desperation move every time I hear it with Detroit. It seems like plan E, you know, that far down the line. Just get a fuggin PG.
The Bulls had Harper, Paxson and Kerr at PG over the years along with BJ Armstrong. None were great distributors...more scrappy defenders that shot threes well.
I'm not sure it would work here, but I'm also not going to say it won't. Let's see how it plays out.
geerussell 10-08-2009, 08:47 AM I think the success of it hinges less on Prince, who has shown in the past that he can make good decisions with the ball in his hands and not turn it over, than on the coaching staff deciding when and how to use that option. There's a legitimate place for gimmicks when used as a changeup to exploit a particular situation or matchup.
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