A challenge for anyone who thinks the ACORN story is central to this election.

Fill in the blanks:

1) Submit thousands of voter registration forms that don't match up to existing state databases.

2) ?????

3) Steal the election.

+100 motowns to anyone who can complete step two.

The part that doesn't get reported much is the fact that ACORN themselves was the one reporting these issues to the authorities in the first place:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/383894_acornvoters18.html


King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg, a Republican, said last year that the ACORN case in Seattle had nothing to do with manipulating outcomes and everything to do with the workers' efforts to keep their $8-an-hour jobs. If anyone was defrauded, it was ACORN, an acronym for Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

"The defendants ... cheated their employers to get paid for work they did not actually perform," Satterberg said. "The defendants simply realized that making up names was easier than actually canvassing the streets."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081018/ap_on_el_ge/fraud_or_foolishness


Voter fraud is rare in the United States, according to a 2007 report by the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law. Based on reviews of voter fraud claims at the federal and state level, the center's report asserted most problems were caused by things like technological glitches, clerical errors or mistakes made by voters and by election officials.

"It is more likely that an individual will be struck by lightning than he will impersonate another voter at the polls," the report said.

Alex Keyssar, a professor at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, calls the current controversy "chapter 22 in a drama that's been going on awhile. The pattern is that nothing much ever comes from this. There have been no known cases of people voting fraudulently."

"What we've seen," Keyssar said, "is sloppiness and someone's idea of a stupid joke, like registering as Donald Duck."

ACORN officials have repeatedly claimed that their own quality control workers were the first to discover problematic ballots. In every state investigating bad registrations, ACORN tipped off local officials to bogus or incomplete cards, spokesman Kettenring said.

Hey hey hey now, Mxy. Let's not a few inconvenient facts get in the way of an awesome narrative. Just because there is NO POSSIBLE WAY for these bullshit ACORN registrations to affect the outcome of an election, let's keep faith that if you are an activist group working on behalf of poor brown people, you are a devil worshiper and a fornicator and hate America.

Let me state this another way: let's stay focused on the fact that ACORN is full of people who want to make the US a carbon copy of Iran with the only difference being that it would be communist and allow child molestation. Let's not worry too much about the fact that these ACORN registrations WERE TELEGRAPHED TO STATE GOVERNMENTS WELL IN ADVANCE AND WOULD NOT RESULT IN A SINGLE INVALID VOTE. That doesn't really fit with my preconceived worldview, and therefore I don't want to hear about it.

Voter registration fraud doesn't effect outcomes, election fraud does.

One party has that down to an art form, and it ain't the Dems.

lol

Here is a story about republicans committing voter fraud. Note that this actually happened. the republicans spent millions investigating voter fraud and didn't find shit.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud18-2008oct18,0,1216330.story

Repub arrested for voter fraud.



GOP voter registration fraud case leads to arrest

SACRAMENTO -- The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario late last night on suspicion of voter registration fraud.

State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California.

Jacoby's arrest by state investigators and the Ontario Police Department comes after dozens of voters said they were duped into registering as Republicans by his firm, Young Political Majors, or YPM. The voters said YPM tricked them by saying they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters. The firm was paid $7 to $12 for every Californian it registered as a member of the GOP.



http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story

FYI, the same dude's firm pulled the same stunt in Florida in 2004:

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/10/23/Hillsborough/Students_complain_of_.shtml

i would say that i was surprised that the bushco let this guy off scott-free for real registration fraud while it was giving felonies to ex-cons that registered and voted democrat when they didn't know it was illegal. of course, anyone with a shred of common sense know the bush doj is corrupt to the core. unfortunately, the dem congress is to cowardly to throw miers and rove in jail for ignoring subpoenas.

lol

You've been beating the ACORN drum all over this forum. Since you'd never just parrot a republican talking point, I'm sure you must have more than "lol" on the topic and can enlighten us on how you get from "bad registration" to "stolen election" right?


Its some sort of federal offense to knowing fuck up an election, iirc. ACORN is the problem, not the Fed Gov't, imo.


And when did you hear of ACORN?


Acorn is a pos organization, afaict


I'm glad the money was stripped from ACORN at the very least.

You've been beating the ACORN drum all over this forum. Since you'd never just parrot a republican talking point, I'm sure you must have more than "lol" on the topic and can enlighten us on how you get from "bad registration" to "stolen election" right?







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I really didn't think I've been beating the ACORN drum all over this board, but that is 5 posts about it or something.

You missed my sentence or 2 somewhere where I said they have NO quality control over the registrations they submit.

Anyway, the election is over, investigate it, fix it and be ready for the midterms.

I don't care who registration fraud helps, its wrong and should be stopped. On the ACORN situation, it's pretty clear to me that the Organization was fucking up and whether it was intentional or not remains to be seen and shit.

Also, I don't think I answered your post very good, but it wasnt really a question afaict.

I really didn't think I've been beating the ACORN drum all over this board, but that is 5 posts about it or something.

You missed my sentence or 2 somewhere where I said they have NO quality control over the registrations they submit.

Anyway, the election is over, investigate it, fix it and be ready for the midterms.

I don't care who registration fraud helps, its wrong and should be stopped. On the ACORN situation, it's pretty clear to me that the Organization was fucking up and whether it was intentional or not remains to be seen and shit.

Also, I don't think I answered your post very good, but it wasnt really a question afaict.

They do have quality control over the registrations they submit. A large number of fraudulant ones are flagged during the process. To say that they have 'NO' quality control is absolutely wrong. They might not have good quality control, but there is zero evidence that the fake registrants ever show up. Also, ACORN specifically has been investigated in the past. David Iglesias was fired because he wouldn't pursue a politically motivated case against them. Also, I would much rather a repub group register a bunch of fake names that never show up, then have them fraudulantly switch party affiliations by tricking dems or throwing out the registration applications of dems, like they've done in the past.

...or have them order the Supreme Court to have ballot counting stopped prematurely while their guy was barely ahead.

Can we name this the "Therapy Thread' for Dems? Or maybe the 'Lets try this rationale' to make us feel better thread? Y'all seem to be pretty defensive about it. I'd prolly give a shit if the election was close because it could make a difference, imo, but its not, it won't matter.

Wasn't that Al that appealed to the SC?

Wasn't that Al that appealed to the SC?

He did, but they didn't allow the recount to be finished.




Florida
Main article: United States presidential election in Florida, 2000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida,_20 00

At approximately 7:50 p.m. EST on election day, 70 minutes before the polls closed in the largely-Republican Florida panhandle, which is in the Central time zone, some television news networks declared that Gore had carried Florida's 25 electoral votes. They based this prediction substantially on exit polls. However, in the actual vote tally Bush began to take a wide lead early in Florida, and by 10 p.m. EST those networks had retracted that prediction and placed Florida back into the "undecided" column. At approximately 2:30 am, with some 85% of the votes counted in Florida and Bush leading Gore by more than 100,000 votes, the networks declared that Bush had carried Florida and therefore had been elected President. However, most of the remaining votes to be counted in Florida were located in three heavily-Democratic counties - Broward, Miami-Dade, and Palm Beach - and as their votes were reported Gore began to gain on Bush. By 4:30 am, after all votes were counted, Gore had narrowed Bush's margin to just over 2,000 votes, and the networks retracted their predictions that Bush had won Florida and the presidency. Gore, who had privately conceded the election to Bush, now withdrew his concession and announced that he would wait for a recount in Florida before any further action. After the first recount by the morning of Wednesday, November 8 Bush's margin in Florida had dwindled to about 500 votes, narrow enough to trigger a mandatory recount in that state. In addition, Gore asked for hand recounts in four counties (Broward, Miami Dade, Palm Beach, and Volusia), as provided under Florida state law. This set into motion a series of recounts (portions by machine, and portions by hand), questions about portions of the Florida vote, and finally lawsuits.

These ultimately resulted in a December 12 7-2 United States Supreme Court decision stating that the Florida Supreme Court's plan for recounting ballots was unconstitutional, as well as a 5-4 United States Supreme Court decision that ended the Florida recounts and allowed Florida to certify its vote. The vote was certified according to Florida state election law by Katherine Harris, the Republican Secretary of State who had been the Florida co-chair of Bush's campaign.[33] Because Bush's younger brother, Jeb Bush, was the governor of Florida, there were allegations that Harris and Jeb Bush had manipulated the election to favor the governor's brother.

Hey, if you play with fire...

Seriously, if you ask someone's opinion be prepared to deal with the consequences, imo.

And these didn't help either, unless your name was George Bush or Pat Buchanan

http://www.myoops.org/twocw/mit/NR/rdonlyres/Political-Science/17-869Fall2003/E380905D-1431-4F1C-94BA-BEE6D7EC8136/0/chp_bfly_ballot.jpg

You missed my sentence or 2 somewhere where I said they have NO quality control over the registrations they submit.
In most states, once a registration appears to be signed and done, they CAN'T have much in the way of quality control. They are required by law to submit the signed registration forms to the appropriate elections folks. They can flag what they think are fraudulent ones, but they must submit them nonetheless.

Can we name this the "Therapy Thread' for Dems? Or maybe the 'Lets try this rationale' to make us feel better thread? Y'all seem to be pretty defensive about it. I'd prolly give a shit if the election was close because it could make a difference, imo, but its not, it won't matter.

well, considering the repub pres. candidate declared that ACORN threatened to destroy our democracy, it sure would be nice if repubs could provide a shred of proof. otherwise, we'll have to deal with 4 years of completely unsubstantiated rumors of obama's illegitimacy as pres.

IMO, the greatest tragedy of FL 2000 was the purge of disproportionately African American voters based on improper matching to a felon list. On the dem side, I think Gore made a huge mistake in targeting dem counties for a recount. First, the challenge seemed to manipulate the recount system. Second, I suspect that investigation of repub counties would have identified a much larger set of anomalies anyways. I think the 'felon' purge was totally unconstitutional and could have given bush the win. However, dems should not overlook the fact that gore provided a ton of ammunition for the repubs by centering the recount in dem counties. Nonetheless, there needs to be a far better recount system in the future, so that everyone can believe in election results.

They do have quality control over the registrations they submit. A large number of fraudulant ones are flagged during the process. To say that they have 'NO' quality control is absolutely wrong.
Not true. In some states, ACORN is required to submit ALL of their voter registrations to the state government without reviewing them first. But let's not let this stop us from accusing ACORN for being a gay manbaby of Josef Stalin and Anton LaVey, only worse.

I said ACORN flagged likely fraudulent registrations. I did not say they were discarded. I agree that it would be inappropriate to discard any registration because it could lead either party to discard registrations for no reason.

Hey hey hey now, Mxy. Let's not a few inconvenient facts get in the way of an awesome narrative. Just because there is NO POSSIBLE WAY for these bullshit ACORN registrations to affect the outcome of an election, let's keep faith that if you are an activist group working on behalf of poor brown people, you are a devil worshiper and a fornicator and hate America.

Let me state this another way: let's stay focused on the fact that ACORN is full of people who want to make the US a carbon copy of Iran with the only difference being that it would be communist and allow child molestation. Let's not worry too much about the fact that these ACORN registrations WERE TELEGRAPHED TO STATE GOVERNMENTS WELL IN ADVANCE AND WOULD NOT RESULT IN A SINGLE INVALID VOTE. That doesn't really fit with my preconceived worldview, and therefore I don't want to hear about it.

Wow

As I've said before, we do a number of broken structural things that lead to the creation of groups like ACORN. Our decentralized election management process makes this crap inevitable. It's decentralized enough where we end up having to do decentralized efforts to promote voter registration.

For voter registration in particular -- one database, one (series of) voter registration form(s), a consistent window when registrations are accepted, etc. -- and you whack ACORN at the nuts. If anything, promoting voter registration is something our government should do and guide more of.

Hell, why not do what Australia does and pass a law that requires people to vote (not just register) and penalizes people if they don't?

Hell, why not do what Australia does and pass a law that requires people to vote (not just register) and penalizes people if they don't?

Well, because there are a lot of people that shouldn't be voting at all that already do (like the idiots in that Howard Stern clip).

I'd love to have a basic election IQ test before you can vote. Not super hard, but you at least have to know who is running for president, their running mate and which party they belong to. It will never happen though.

I wonder what those people do when they get in there and see that Palin isn't Obama's VP pick? Do you think they even notice?

Well, because there are a lot of people that shouldn't be voting at all that already do (like the idiots in that Howard Stern clip).

I'd love to have a basic election IQ test before you can vote. Not super hard, but you at least have to know who is running for president, their running mate and which party they belong to. It will never happen though.

I wonder what those people do when they get in there and see that Palin isn't Obama's VP pick? Do you think they even notice?

Even I am not that elitist. At the least, people can tell when the party in power has generally been a success or a failure.

Well, I'm not asking them to know all the candidate's stances. You'd think they could at least tell you who is running though.

As I said, it won't happen because its unconstitutional, but why do people take something so important so lightly (and not know a damn thing about who they are voting for)?

Even I am not that elitist. At the least, people can tell when the party in power has generally been a success or a failure.

I disagree with that last statement. They may know from a presidential standpoint, but I bet there is a very large percentage that doesn't even know who is in power in congress, whether they have a veto proof majority or not, etc. None of that. Even if the Dems had a veto proof majority the last 8 years, they'd still think that the republicans had been in total control because of Bush.

Election time is the only time in the world when being undecided 2 weeks before the due date is considered a virtue. Just think about behaving that way when you're shopping for Christmas presents.

People who know their buttholes from a brick wall will generally be eager to vote and have their choices picked out far in advance of an election. As the elections draw near, the only people left to convince are the people who have absolutely no idea what is happening. These are people who are always looking for Moses to lead them to the promised land. Problem is, if someone can lead you in, someone else can just as easily lead you out.

A certain portion of any nation will always be irresponsible and stupid as it pertains to their political outlook. The confluence of marketing technologies, psychology, and mass media have begun to turn this portion into a valued commodity.

I do NOT believe that an IQ test should be needed in order to vote. But a short quiz on politics and current events wouldn't hurt. Along with a few new rules:

1) If you write in a fictional character for an elected office, your vote is invalidated and you lose the right to vote in the next general election.

2) If you somehow manage to fuck up your ballot, you lose the right to vote in this and the next general election.

3) Every ballot should have an essay portion in which you explain why you voted the way you did. These essays will be judged by English professors, and if you fail, you suck.

Well, I'm not asking them to know all the candidate's stances. You'd think they could at least tell you who is running though.

As I said, it won't happen because its unconstitutional, but why do people take something so important so lightly (and not know a damn thing about who they are voting for)?

In some ways this is self-correcting. On the one end, such people are extremely unlikely to register and show up to vote.

On the other end, if you are part of a demographic that tends to vote, candidates will hunt you down and "inform" you whether you like it or not. Political operators have made quite the science of figuring out who's likely to actually show up at the polls.

So if "dumbasses who don't even know who's running" suddenly start showing up to vote, I guarantee you they will be the next election's focus-group targeted demographic. The soccer moms of 2012. Of course, once that happened they'd need a new name because they'd probably know who was running. Even if they thought the guy was a muslim terrorist traitor commie.

http://www.rockthevote.com/about/press-room/in-the-news/new-york-board-of-elections.html

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=189771&title=community-organizers

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15155.html

Thank God for these 2 youngsters to expose this organization gone bad. Dem's fought every attempt to investigate, but at least now funding will stop to this cesspool.

And props to Glen Beck saving taxpayer money going there. I know he's y'alls latest whipping boy, but he saved us all money and corruption. Good for him.

Please merge this to:

http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13400&highlight=acorn

GLAN BECK CAN SUCK MY LEFT TESTICLE

Saved the country mucho dinero. Good job GlAn!

Saved the country mucho dinero.
That's a lie. ACORN has received a grand total of $53 million in federal funds over the last 15 years -- an average of $3.5 million per year. That's pennies.


If one were to watch Fox News or listen to Rush Limbaugh -- as millions do -- one would believe that the burden of the ordinary American taxpayer, and the unfair plight of America's rich, is that their money is being stolen by the poorest and most powerless sectors of the society. An organization whose constituencies are often-unregistered inner-city minorities, the homeless and the dispossesed is depicted as though it's Goldman Sachs, Blackwater, and Haillburton combined, as though Washington officials are in thrall to those living in poverty rather than those who fund their campaigns. It's not the nice men in the suits doing the stealing but the very people, often minorities or illegal immigrants, with no political or financial power who nonetheless somehow dominate the government and get everything for themselves. The poorer and weaker one is, the more one is demonized in right-wing mythology as all-powerful receipients of ill-gotten gains; conversely, the stronger and more powerful one is, the more one is depicted as an oppressed and put-upon victim (that same dynamic applies to foreign affairs as well).

It's such an obvious falsehood -- so counter-intuitive and irrational -- yet it resonates due to powerful cultural manipulations. Most of all, what's so pernicious about all of this is that the same interests who are stealing, pillaging and wallowing in corruption are scapegoating the poorest and most vulnerable in order to ensure that the victims of their behavior are furious with everyone except for them.

^ That is a lie. They were set to get mucho dinero from the Stimulus bill.

Appology accepted...and thanks.

^ That is a lie. They were set to get mucho dinero from the Stimulus bill.
How much? :)

P.S. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/02/the-stimulus-bill-and-acorn/

Glan Beck doesn't care about facts Swami.

Glan Beck doesn't care about facts Swami.

http://www.neurosybir.net/nkoan/images/iswydt.jpg

That's a Denny special player, see #36.

P.S. I call you Gla now.

Oh, I didn't see what he did there.

I did think that the squirrel pic was appropriate for an ACORN thread.

It was solid.

Where is the Barwis thread?

So I'm not sure you found a mistake in the overall coverage but if you did, props to you.

But as usual, try to deflect from the cesspool that the libs have been defending for years. No outrage over that, but a reporting mistake and y'all dismiss ACORNs actions. Nice.

No dude. ACORN can go to hell. No one gives a shit about ACORN because they are one of a million little voter registration groups that pulls down money from the government. If they are corrupt fine. But linking them to Obama as though he is their flag barer is what gets you ignored here.

The same people who were excited about acorn a year ago are the same people "outraged" today. Wingnuts.

No dude. ACORN can go to hell. No one gives a shit about ACORN because they are one of a million little voter registration groups that pulls down money from the government. If they are corrupt fine. But linking them to Obama as though he is their flag barer is what gets you ignored here.

LMAO...then why the fuck do the Dems defend them so much?

Come on man. At least be honest with yourself. You don't have to type it here, but be honest with yourself.

NO ONE HERE GIVES A SHIT douchebag, I'm not and never was talking about "Dems". You were saying that no one here was outraged. I explained why that was the case. Stop equivocating. Only you think it makes you look smart.

^ LMAO

Just be honest with yourself.

It'd take a helluva lot more than a post about what has happened to ACORN to make me look smart. Please.

Way to reply with a non-reply.

NO ONE HERE GIVES A SHIT douchebag, I'm not and never was talking about "Dems". You were saying that no one here was outraged. I explained why that was the case. Stop equivocating. Only you think it makes you look smart.

BTW... I can tell. Cuz it's your guy.

LMAO...then why the fuck do the Dems defend them so much?

Come on man. At least be honest with yourself. You don't have to type it here, but be honest with yourself.

Honest? Ok, real talk.

Dems defend voter registration and community activism in general, not acorn in specific. Any group going door to door in the inner city to get people registered and voting is a threat to republicans because that is a constituency that is (and I'm being generous in my choice of words) consistently ignored by them.

ACORN is not anybody's guy here.

If you are talking about Obama, then you clearly didn't read the post where I said your attempt to link them as though they are best friends is why no one takes your pineapple juice drinking ass seriously.

ACORN is not anybody's guy here.

If you are talking about Obama, then you clearly didn't read the post where I said your attempt to link them as though they are best friends is why no one takes your pineapple juice drinking ass seriously.

ACORN isn't a guy. j/k

I know. Are you sure you know that?

56=funny
57=not funny

Also, Tigers are coming on in 45 mins or so.

57 wasn't a joke. But I agree with the rest.

Also...

Those 2 kids that finally broke through the Dem blockade= Woodward and Bernstien.

Where was "the boy" on that one?

Unlike everyone else in Michigan's congressional delegation, Kwame's mom voted against defunding ACORN.

Cue congress deciding that ACORN can fix itself in 5... 4... 3...

Whoops: Anti-ACORN Bill Ropes In Defense Contractors, Others Charged With Fraud (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/whoops-anti-acorn-bill-ro_n_294949.html)


The congressional legislation intended to defund ACORN, passed with broad bipartisan support, is written so broadly that it applies to "any organization" that has been charged with breaking federal or state election laws, lobbying disclosure laws, campaign finance laws or filing fraudulent paperwork with any federal or state agency. It also applies to any of the employees, contractors or other folks affiliated with a group charged with any of those things.

In other words, the bill could plausibly defund the entire military-industrial complex. Whoops.

Lockheed Martin and Northrop Gumman both popped up quickly, with 20 fraud cases between them, and the longer list is a Who's Who of weapons manufacturers and defense contractors.


The weapons manufacturers might have a better line of defense in court, however. Immediately after the bill passed, Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), a constitutional whiz, noted that the measure appeared to be a "bill of attainder" -- specifically targeting a company or organization or individual -- and is therefore specifically barred by the Constitution. If it's not targeted at one group, then Northrop Grumman is in trouble.


LOL.

Lol indeed

This could be ACORN's greatest gift ever

So, one of the ACORN guys on tape turns out to have reported things to the police after all, and was still fired.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/PoliceACORN-Employee-Reported-Alleged-Smuggling.html

If they fix themselves, I'm ok with getting funds again. Its just that there are a limited amount of grants/fed money that go to communtiy organisations.

It seems that some of those other Orgs that have been open and honest should get the grants instead of them.

NVM, thats holding someone responsible. And I know how that goes over on the left.

If they fix themselves, I'm ok with getting funds again. Its just that there are a limited amount of grants/fed money that go to communtiy organisations.

It seems that some of those other Orgs that have been open and honest should get the grants instead of them.

NVM , thats holding someone responsible. And I know how that goes over on the left.
Are you ready to hold someone responsible for misrepresenting facts to lead is into war in Iraq?

Plenty of us on the left love responsibility.

Thats the thing...seems like just when it suits the left.

In chronological order, or whatever they call it, Clinton, Gore (should I play those clips again?), British Intel, Russian intel, US intel.

If you believe that one Iraqi Gen or whatever he was, he said they told Sadam himself that they had the weapons when they didn't. So its possible Sadam thought they had them too.

Well, it amounts to a matter of perspective.

The amount of money that ACORN has received in the past 20 years altogether is roughly equal to what the taxpayer paid to Halliburton and Halliburton-owned companies each day during the war in Iraq. I grant you that it's a utilitarian way of looking at things, i.e. just caring about the amount of money being spent, but I still think it matters.

I think what also matters is the fact that ACORN is the #1 organization out there registering poor minority folks in inner cities to vote, and poor minority folks in inner cities almost never vote for Republicans. The GOP has a demonstrable ulterior motive here, and I think they should probably recuse themselves from commenting on the matter.

^ Spin.

Its about Fraud, embezzlement, etc.

Its about taxpayers money.

Y'all have lost your way.

^ Spin.

Its about Fraud, embezzlement, etc.

Its about taxpayers money.

Y'all have lost your way.
I refuse to believe that you even agree with your own posts anymore.

If it's even 1% about any of those things, then even that is a stretch.

This is all just a partisan shell game, at best.

We might need a "intellectually dishonest" emoticon.

1 MILLION dollars embezzled, but its all good cuz its we think it somehow benefits the Repubs.

If neocons spent 5% of the attention spent on this investigating corporate crimes, I guarantee you that 1m would look like peanuts.

I wonder why they never will though?

Stay on topic...we're talking about ACORN here. :)

Right, we're talking about how minuscule the acorn stuff is compared to actual problems that could be tackled.

Trying to mask this "investigation" as a simple group of concerned citizens that have pure intentions is very transparent.

It's nothing but political desperation.

Right, we're talking about how minuscule the acorn stuff is compared to actual problems that could be tackled.

Trying to mask this "investigation" as a simple group of concerned citizens that have pure intentions is very transparent.

It's nothing but political desperation.

Yeah, we just saw those pure intentions bringing in underaged girls for prostitution. They had pure intentions of tax evasion for illegal activity.

As far as desperation, you might be right. But I'm seeing BO as running into serious problems when it comes to actually putting things in writting. He's sounds great in his idealism, but putting it into law is a different story.

The stimulus bill was 'RED LIGHTED' through by him. CRISIS CRISIS CRISIS so he got it through without even reading the fucking bill. The public saw that and judging by the opposition to his idealistic Health Care proposal, they aren't ready for something to be slammed down their throats again.

Props to them.

Also, Glan, with a snakes ass having slightly higher approvals than Nanci and Harry, he has to carry load on most anything.

He's done something like 240 interviews so far, almost 5 times as many as Clinton and Bush in their first 9 months. I think he risks a lil bit of over exposure. ??? maybe not.

On Sunday he said, he needs to 'step up his game' on the Health Care debate so peeps know whats going on. i think peeps know whats going on they just don't like Gov't run HC. So hopefully his handlers on top of shit.

Also, Glan, with a snakes ass having slightly higher approvals than Nanci and Harry, he has to carry load on most anything.

He's done something like 240 interviews so far, almost 5 times as many as Clinton and Bush in their first 9 months. I think he risks a lil bit of over exposure. ??? maybe not.

On Sunday he said, he needs to 'step up his game' on the Health Care debate so peeps know whats going on. i think peeps know whats going on they just don't like Gov't run HC. So hopefully his handlers on top of shit.
Stay on topic...we're talking about ACORN here. :)

^ Great point.

I don't know why Repubs are so concerned with how much he's on TV, seriously. If they are that confident that the general public doesn't support his message, then they should be thrilled that he's provided so much access to the media. Something tells me that they don't like being reminded so much that they aren't holding the keys anymore.

He can go on TV to speak to the country every day for all I care, the more information for the public to have access to, the better. IMO.

I don't know why Repubs are so concerned with how much he's on TV, seriously. If they are that confident that the general public doesn't support his message, then they should be thrilled that he's provided so much access to the media. Something tells me that they don't like being reminded so much that they aren't holding the keys anymore.

He can go on TV to speak to the country every day for all I care, the more information for the public to have access to, the better. IMO.

Tell that to the Dems who blocked an ammendment today that the public see the HC bill for 3 days before they vote on it.

And, I didn't know it was Repubs that were so concerned about it. I don't care, I just think it hurts him, thats all.

It was in the talking points for the (R)'s on the Sunday shows "OBAMA IS ON TV TOO MUCH".

Those fuckin Repubs.

Stay on topic...we're talking about ACORN here. :)

Must watch. Seriously. Please watch.

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And to save everyone some time:

^^RM;DW

db;dw

After all that GREAT advice ACORN gave about how to cheat on your taxes (and was filmed doing it), the IRS finally stopped funding ACORN the other day.

THOSE BAD REPUBLICANS! Saving taxpayer money.

^IRS doesn't fund people. In fact, they take money, in case you haven't been checking your W2s.

They also fund agencies.