I was wrong on Jones. The kid chose NW. I can`t blame him. NW is far and away the strongest academic institution in the Big Ten and their receiver depth is relatively poor. Jones will do very well there.

Hey, zip, don`t you and I have a bet on this year`s MSU/UM game? Seems to me your big-ass mouth said something about $100 to charity. As I said then, I`m in. Buck up or shut up.

I was wrong on Jones. The kid chose NW. I can`t blame him. NW is far and away the strongest academic institution in the Big Ten and their receiver depth is relatively poor. Jones will do very well there.

Hey, zip, don`t you and I have a bet on this year`s MSU/UM game? Seems to me your big-ass mouth said something about $100 to charity. As I said then, I`m in. Buck up or shut up.

I can't freaking wait for October 3rd. Spartan Stadium will be rockin' and you better believe I will be there.

I can't freaking wait for October 3rd. Spartan Stadium will be rockin' and you better believe I will be there in the Walmart Sparty section.

I can't freaking wait for October 3rd. Spartan Stadium will be rockin' and you better believe I will be there.

Pam Ward & Andre Ware will be there as well, I imagine.

bukdow: Of course I'm in. Why would I not be? Your faggy lil Sparties are gonna get whupped.

It is being said that UM's coaching staff is zeroing in on that game, making it Priority One. They're pumped, and putting some real emphasis on blasting Dantonio back into the shadows of Mighty Michigan, where he and MSU are most comfortable and belong.

bukdow: Of course I'm in. Why would I not be? Your faggy lil Sparties are gonna get whupped.

It is being said that UM's coaching staff is zeroing in on that game, making it Priority One. They're pumped, and putting some real emphasis on blasting Dantonio back into the shadows of Mighty Michigan, where he and MSU are most comfortable and belong.
Not going to happen, zip. Whatever focus or extra attention RR and his staff are putting on the MSU/UM game, Dantonio et al, are putting twice as much. Its in EL, MSU has the players and the coaching/leadership, UM will have either a freshmen QB or one poorly suited to the offense and Dantonio hates UM and evry piece of shit it stands for with a passion hot enough to melt Tungsten.

MSU 30 UM 20.

Not going to happen, zip. Whatever focus or extra attention RR and his staff are putting on the MSU/UM game, Dantonio et al, are putting twice as much. Its in EL, MSU has the players and the coaching/leadership, UM will have either a freshmen QB or one poorly suited to the offense and Dantonio hates UM and evry piece of shit it stands for with a passion hot enough to melt Tungsten.

MSU 30 UM 20.

What if MSU's defense doesn't show up, though?

What if MSU's defense doesn't show up, though?
I don`t see why it won`t. UM will run 66% of the time. I imagine. MSU has a very solid corp of LBs and safeties that can come up in run support. MSU`s secondary is solid and I don`t expect a freshman QB to do much damage through the air. Maybe, MSU 34 UM 17, sounds more like it.

What if MSU's defense doesn't show up, though?

What if, what if....what if Taint gets hurt and Sheridan is the freaking qb. haha

I believe MSU's defense will be very good, but lack of D-line depth will keep it from being great.

MSU's passing attack is going to be stellar. I believe they will have the best WR group in the BT and also the best TE group in the BT. I feel very comfortable saying that and don't feel like its kool-aid.

What if, what if....what if Taint gets hurt and Sheridan is the freaking qb. haha

I believe MSU's defense will be very good, but lack of D-line depth will keep it from being great.

MSU's passing attack is going to be stellar. I believe they will have the best WR group in the BT and also the best TE group in the BT. I feel very comfortable saying that and don't feel like its kool-aid.

Would suck, but my comment was tongue in cheek and inspired by bukdow's :gutsy: MSU-Ohio State prediction from 2007. (http://www.wtfdetroit.com/forums/showpost.php?p=193004&postcount=31)

I don`t see why it won`t. UM will run 66% of the time. I imagine. MSU has a very solid corp of LBs and safeties that can come up in run support. MSU`s secondary is solid and I don`t expect a freshman QB to do much damage through the air. Maybe, MSU 34 UM 17, sounds more like it.

Lets not make predictions. Leave the bold arrogant statements to the Michigan fans. Michigan has every bit the opportunity to come in and beat MSU. Let's just sit back and watch...and smile.

Lets not make predictions. Leave the bold arrogant statements to the Michigan fans. Michigan has every bit the opportunity to come in and beat MSU. Let's just sit back and watch...and smile.

Is that a subliminal prediction?

ill make a bet:

if UM wins, baker and bukky avoid this forum for a good week or two, and then later claim that they were just simply too busy to post and their absences had nothing to do with the game.

if MSU wins, baker and bukky can really rub it in our faces, and baker will pull some real pasive aggresive posts that only he thinks are clever, and then get indignant no matter what michigan fans post.

deal?

Snapped a pic of this shirt at MEIJER this afternoon.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7775/umshirt.png

Lets not make predictions. Leave the bold arrogant statements to the Michigan fans. Michigan has every bit the opportunity to come in and beat MSU. Let's just sit back and watch...and smile.
Sorry, Baker, but that is highly unlikely. Maybe under a different coach with a different group of players. MSU is going to look to pound the shit out of RUM in front of the home crowd and they definitely have the ability to do it.

3 things:

buk

1) what is RUM?

2) what do you think the spread should be of the MSU / UM game?

zip

3) how many scholarship recruits do you think michigan takes in this year?

Would suck, but my comment was tongue in cheek and inspired by bukdow's :gutsy: MSU-Ohio State prediction from 2007. (http://www.wtfdetroit.com/forums/showpost.php?p=193004&postcount=31)

I was kidding too with the whole what if stuff.

Snapped a pic of this shirt at MEIJER this afternoon.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7775/umshirt.png

I wonder why you didn't take a pic of the State version...could it be because the State one says, "Beat Michigan...again" on it? Saw it weeks ago.

Good read:

http://genuinelysarcastic.blogspot.com/2009/07/across-bow.html

I didn't see an MSU version of the shirt, but I didn't go looking either.

Actually, I think the UM one is kind of sad. It used to be that all of the focus was on OSU, the Rose Bowl or the Natl Championship.
Seeing stuff like this means that expectations are being lowered (rightfully so).

I didn't see an MSU version of the shirt, but I didn't go looking either.

Actually, I think the UM one is kind of sad. It used to be that all of the focus was on OSU, the Rose Bowl or the Natl Championship.
Seeing stuff like this means that expectations are being lowered (rightfully so).

Good point, but I really, REALLY love the MSU rivalry and love that Dantonio has amped it up from the MSU side. It's a show of respeck.

BDIDDY:

I think UM goes in for 23 scholarships this year. They have to. Depth on defense is scary thin. They need a couple more OL as well. I think on the offensive side of the ball, other than OL, UM is set for the next 3-4 years and can bring in depth and Studz--other than that, I'm hoping for DEFENSE to be recruited like there is no tomorrow. If this class can be finished up strong with a focus on defense, DickRod will have a great foundation and just might be around to pound the shit out of Dantonio for years to come.

DAMN! There go those lower expecations again!

What if, what if....what if Taint gets hurt and Sheridan is the freaking qb. haha

I believe MSU's defense will be very good, but lack of D-line depth will keep it from being great.

MSU's passing attack is going to be stellar. I believe they will have the best WR group in the BT and also the best TE group in the BT. I feel very comfortable saying that and don't feel like its kool-aid.


First, there you go again, hoping that a young Michigan Man gets hurt. Honestly, how do you look at yourself in the mirror? And Cousins really appears fragile. And holy shit, have you already forgotten about Keef Nichol's bad arm? He's one hit away from being nicknamed Captain Hook, for crissakes.

Secondly, please give us a rundown of Sparty's receivers. I'm not being sarcastic, here. I believe Hoyer was hampered by a crew that had the "droppsies" last year, and I'd like some info on those tight ends. Also, how are MSU's backs at catching the ball?
I really believe MSU is in better shape at QB because even with Nichol's arm being held on by chewing gum and duct tape, the Sparties have two QB's with some decent experience. UM has Tits and no one else. Sheridan is not QUITE the joke you make him out to be--the year of expereince, plus the fact that UM will, as bukdow points out, probably be more run-oriented this year will help him if he has to play.

So, the question is this: Cousins has shown promise--but what if you take his receivers out, and what if you can generate a pass rush--and STILL: How do you replace the leadership (and talent) of Hoyer and Ringer? And if you think, like most Sparties seem to be saying, that running back is easy to replace, how'd that work out for UM replacing Mike Hart?

Dell is the #1, came out unbelievable at the start of last season...then injury bug. I believe he could be BT First Team with Illini's boy. Cunningham is the #2, very strong, great hands, one of the catches of the year last year, but got dropsies and numerous injuries later. Blair White is the #3...need I say more? Was going to forgo his senior year for denistry school but NFL scouts are telling him he has a legit shot to be drafted (Sits two rows behind us in church every sunday). Pry school's best #3 WR ever. Keyshawn Martin is the #4 and would probably be most school's #1 (lower tier team) or #2 (upper tier team) Very very fast and great hands (had a 49 yarder against UM). Then there are several highly touted freshmen and 4 star Fred Smith who has been disappointing.

The two best TEs are Charlie Gantt who had a great year last year and Clemson transfer Linthecom who is supposed to be very special. Tore up the spring game. Dion Sims will play some DE this year, but he was the #2 TE in the country according to scout before bball rumors. Not a bad #3 and he has to compete for that spot.

The running back position is the biggest question and not because we are desperate, but who will take the reigns. I'm obviously predicting Rock Baker by the third game or so. I think he'll be the speed guy Leggit playing the Caulcrick role. Glenn Winston is trying to get back on the team after serving his time for the fight, he would have been the starting tailback and a stellar one, but he could still factor in by season's end. Can the speed backs catch? I don't know. Hart comparison is a bad example because of the system change. Look at the numerous string of backs UM had that were successful prior to the change. MSU will be like that in my opinion.

That's a pretty good rundown, but I'm not so sure about the running back position. With UM, we're talking about guys like A-Train, then Chris Perry, then Mike Hart. Yes, the system change hurt any replacement, as well as an offensive line that was not, to put it kindly, worth a shit for the first half of the season.

I guess it depends on your offensive line--hard to tell if they are really a great unit. Ringer had a ton of yards, but he had a ton of carries also.

I follow the line of thinking that is used with QB's: If you have two starting QB's, you really don't have one (or something like that). Same thing with running back-by-committee. We've seen, at both schools, a string of guys who seem to get better with more carries, and remain stronger as the game goes on. So MSU is going to buck that trend this year? I think that strategery is suspect.

That's a pretty good rundown, but I'm not so sure about the running back position. With UM, we're talking about guys like A-Train, then Chris Perry, then Mike Hart. Yes, the system change hurt any replacement, as well as an offensive line that was not, to put it kindly, worth a shit for the first half of the season.

I guess it depends on your offensive line--hard to tell if they are really a great unit. Ringer had a ton of yards, but he had a ton of carries also.

I follow the line of thinking that is used with QB's: If you have two starting QB's, you really don't have one (or something like that). Same thing with running back-by-committee. We've seen, at both schools, a string of guys who seem to get better with more carries, and remain stronger as the game goes on. So MSU is going to buck that trend this year? I think that strategery is suspect.

You're talking about guys like Mike Hart...a 3 star right? Well, I'm pretty confident that 4 star Baker and 4 star Caper can be similar talents to those mentioned above. Stars aren't everything, but its not like Train, Perry, and Hart were 5 star can't miss guys. Why can't MSU's highly touted backs carry a tradition?

Who says MSU will use two quarterbacks? They might, but that is undecided. Both are very good. In regards to running back systems, have you not watched football in the past 5 years? EVERYBODY is using two backs to keep guys healthy and fresh. Sure they need to get in a groove, but that is fine if you can give each 15-20 carries-MSU can and will. I'm not even going to try listing examples where it has flourished because there are TONS of them (College and Pro). Ringer and Caulcrick both had 1,000 yards just two seasons ago. So I'm not sure what you are talking about.

I think you are putting a lot of faith into Caper and Baker. The competition they played against is not highly thought of, and Baker played what, 12 games combined in his last two years of high school? Caper is another question mark. But to answer your question, yes, they CAN get it done just like 3 star Mike Hart. But Mike Hart is a competitive motherfucker with a fire and passion for the game that no one saw until he proved it on the field. I believe he was the last recruit signed in his class.

I ain't saying you don't have reason for optimism. I'm just trying to have a dialogue as to why there is so much and what it is based on. I think your team has a real good coach who has proven he can turn a program around--but now MSU will have a bullseye on their backs and how will they respond?

My overall opinion is to expect a drop in their performance this year; I'd say that next year looks better with more experience. Not that I see them going 4-8, no way, but they do have to prove they can sustain success and "reload" instead of "rebuild."

I wonder why you didn't take a pic of the State version...could it be because the State one says, "Beat Michigan...again" on it? Saw it weeks ago.

For the second time in 8 years? lol.

I think you are putting a lot of faith into Caper and Baker. The competition they played against is not highly thought of, and Baker played what, 12 games combined in his last two years of high school? Caper is another question mark. But to answer your question, yes, they CAN get it done just like 3 star Mike Hart. But Mike Hart is a competitive motherfucker with a fire and passion for the game that no one saw until he proved it on the field. I believe he was the last recruit signed in his class.

I ain't saying you don't have reason for optimism. I'm just trying to have a dialogue as to why there is so much and what it is based on. I think your team has a real good coach who has proven he can turn a program around--but now MSU will have a bullseye on their backs and how will they respond?

My overall opinion is to expect a drop in their performance this year; I'd say that next year looks better with more experience. Not that I see them going 4-8, no way, but they do have to prove they can sustain success and "reload" instead of "rebuild."

I'll agree with the Mike Hart comment on passion being what made him successful. I don't have overflowing confidence, I just have excitement. I'm excited about the youth, the fact they are now respected, and possibilities. I think MSU could go anywhere between 7-5 and 12-0. Much depends on the O-line and rb situation. MSU got a HUGE boost with the return of Winston this week.

I assumed Baker would make the splash this year and Caper would redshirt, but Tico Duckett told a reporter, "Look out for Caper." Apparantly he's looking big and fast. So who knows?

OGT, bishes

Didn't want the Zip/buk $100 wager to get "misplaced".

bukdow give money to charity? Bullshit.

bukdow give money to charity? Bullshit.

Not so fast...

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If nothing else, this game seems a bit more interesting now.

This game is emminentl winnable for Michigan. If healthy (a big if at this point), UM has far more weapons than MSU and is very settled at quarterback, while MSU's Dantonio is caught squarely in the middle of trying to do the Two Quarterback Shuffle.

Michigan is going deep into their depth chart to guys like Savoy and Odoms--and they make big catches, big blocks, and Rodriguez seems to have a handle on how to get the right guys in at the right time. Yes, it's only two games, but as with Baker, who hit with a shot across the bow questioning Notre Dame and how good they are, I think MSU came into this season vastly over rated.

In retrospect, the CMU game could be called a "trap" game--they came in more fired up, MSU has ND the next week--but if MSU is supposively taking that [I]Great Next Step[I], they don't lose this game, and certainly don't lose it in the fashion they did. Inexcusable!

I wonder where they'll be mentally if Notre Dame waxes them. I've always felt that the team that comes in losing after losing a Big Game has more of an edge. MSU's loss would seem to me to be more deflating--at home, melting down, to a poopy team they have no business losing to at this stage of Dantonio's Greatness. HAHAHLOLZ I love it.

UM has two poop games to get healthy, rest some players, practice more, take a breather, and get ready to go to Lansing to squash these upstart, rebellious Sparties, and I'm confident of a two-touchdown victory! Lemme tell ya, the Sparties couldn't handle CMU's spread (invented by The Mighty Godriguez)--and on October 3 they'll face a revamped Michigan team ready to pummel their asses and their grouchy coach.

My predictions since before the season have been UM going 2-2 against the Big Four. One down, one to go.

the humor of the sparties was pretty great this year. they lost their senior qb and their 'heisman contender' rb, but those werent issues because they had a couple of untested qbs and freshman runningbacks. huh?

what was the saying sparties used to say? "if you have 2 qbs you have no qbs" i think it was. right...

msu fans better pray for michigan injuries or an inclimate weather game delay, cuz this one wont be pretty otherwise.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves... It's still Forcier's first road game..

^completely agree. A young team is going to lose some games that its not supposed to lose, and this is a very young team.

As of right now, I'm thinking that it will be MSU by 1 to 2 scores.

If I had to set the line right now, it would probably be something like MSU -5.5

So the time is still TBA?

I'm hoping it's a noon game. We'll be in Maui (but flying back that day). The game would be on at 7 AM out there and I could watch it and head out.

So the time is still TBA?

I'm hoping it's a noon game. We'll be in Maui (but flying back that day). The game would be on at 7 AM out there and I could watch it and head out.

Just announced. Noon on BTN.

BTN? That's BS.

MSU is going to wear UM's smug little asses out like it's volleyball and they (UM) are bukdow's cousins. 31-20 Sparty.

At this moment, my simulations suggest a 34-24 MSU win.

um 54- msu 48 if michigan's defense shows up.

this u-m defense brings back memories of nw in 2000. They can give up points to anyone. of course the 2000 team did shut out msu, but I don't think competent defense lets Indiana score 7 times. Of course the feast or famine offense didn't help any. For the love of god, find someone that can actually snap the football.

I can't freaking wait for October 3rd. Spartan Stadium will be rockin' and you better believe I will be there.
I bet he just left really early for the game.

Also, post #13 is brilliant.

If you are Zip, do you still keep the $100 bet with bukdow? I think not.

While UM's odds of winning have to be significantly better than they were when the net was originally placed, how can he have any confidence that buk will be honorable after this squirrelly little disappearance act?

In other words, the bet is tenuous, at best.

If Forceir is healthy, UM comfortably. If not, UM still wins. MSU just sucks on defense, and offensively they don't scare me in that I still think they are a team that plays into UM's hands.

I don't see why people are worried about them. They are really stinking up the joint.

MSU is 3 plays away from being 4 and 0.

7-9, bitches.

MSU is 3 plays away from being 2 and 2.

FYP. I figure at least 1 of the 3 losses could have 3 plays changed to make it a win.

In classic Sparty taste the Detroit Free Press and it's editor (MSU grad) have released an **update** on the dead Michigan story from 4 weeks ago. Nothing but class from all the Sparties of the world.

Can we start a poll on the number of Sparty posts from right now until the game starts and then another poll on the number of Sparty posts if they should win or lose?

the super early line from bookmaker.com has an even money bet. im not sure i've ever seen a no points spread before, but it looks like you could bet on it.

i was never able to get bukky to reveal his predicted spread, but he'll probably let us know the next time he stops by...

The porn star is going to have a huge game.

UM 24, MSU 13

FYP. I figure at least 1 of the 3 losses could have 3 plays changed to make it a win.

I should have typed that in green text. All the Sparties have been claiming that they're just a couple plays away and shouldn't panic.

Many games could go the opposite way based on a play or two. Just saying.

And if defenses show up or not.

I'm going to just sit back... and smile.

I wonder if ABC can pick this up (at least in non big ten network areas).

There is no early game on ABC (and no better matchup to pick over this).

It says "Your local programming" on ABC's site for 1:00.

How quickly will Tre and bukky be back if MSU wins this game?

How quickly will Tre and bukky be back if MSU wins this game?

Faster than you can post :gutsy: after time runs out in the game.

Listening to local MSU slappies like Ty Hallock state that MSU is "clearly a better team" and they should win comfortably if they just "put their game together".

Sound familiar?

I smiled.

...

I wonder if ABC can pick this up (at least in non big ten network areas).

There is no early game on ABC (and no better matchup to pick over this).

It says "Your local programming" on ABC's site for 1:00.


No. It's all Big Ten network. There's not affiliation with ESPN (hard to believe since they are just letting the rest of us live in their world).

All signs point to an MSU win.

Michigan 37

MSU 20

I do have to say that I feel good for our Spartan friends that they're back in that old, comfortable position of having a win over UM make their season deemed a success.

I mean, who wants their Little Bro to be sad?

MSU has nothing to lose.

MSU has nothing to lose.

Except any chance at a big ten title or go to a decent bowl. Not that I think they'll win out and catch PSU or OSU, but being 0-2 in the Big Ten and losing tiebreakers to Michigan and Wisky pretty much puts your season on track for the motor city bowl.

Will someone explain UM to me?

That made me...smile.

It'll never get old.

It's just getting younger.

Looks like UM will go into te game pretty healfy with the exception of Molk, of course.

Tits's shoulder should be OK; Minor is ret to go; Mike Williams will go.

A healthy Michigan would pound these hopeless fucks mercilessly.

Don't you believe fr one SECOND, nay, one NANOSECOND that Rodriguez doesn't have a boner to beat the sappy, sad sack Dantonio like the worthless piece of shit he is. It'll be a good ol fashioned "Bailiff, whack his peepee" affiar come this Saturday, and Dantonio will be whacked with his bible.

Closed practices for UM this week. I'm thinking Robinson got a lot of reps, and maybe a new twist or two was put in. Of course, that's just what Rodriguez WANTS everyone to think, idn't it? Of course, he'll think that's what they'll think Rodriguez WANTS them to think, idn't it?

The possibilites are endless, and the Sparties are so easy to play games with.

^ YES!

Why can't he just be called Tate?

oZ0t76h-5ws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ0t76h-5ws

Yeah, they are always taught to respect their opponent. Planting their flag at midfield at Notre Dame is very respectful.

Why can't he just be called Tate?

Well, if you want to be technical, maybe we should call him "Robert" and call Tiger Woods "Eldrick" Hmmm?

It's Tits Forcier around these parts. I know I'd rather be called "Tits" than "Tate." So that's why I nicknamed him Tits.

Dantonio "Some of players have never been through the tough times like this" Well they should get used to it, imo.

And "We can still be a good football team" Keeping that bar low, I'd say.

This game means so much more to MSU than it does UM.

MSU loses and they're 1-4 and 0-2 in the Big Ten, in other words, toast.

UM loses and they're 4-1 and 1-1 in the Big Ten, still fine.

UM's freshman have never played on the road before (including both QBs) not to mention the hostile environs of EL.

That's what's got me thinking MSU by 10.

I made my 31-20 MSU prediction last saturday and I have stuck with it. I'm proud of myself.

I think I deserve a Steve Young jersey or something.

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Well, if you want to be technical, maybe we should call him "Robert" and call Tiger Woods "Eldrick" Hmmm?

It's Tits Forcier around these parts. I know I'd rather be called "Tits" than "Tate." So that's why I nicknamed him Tits.

But Tiger and Tate are what they've been going by for practically their whole lives. If you called him Tits instead of Tate..........in person, I'm not too sure he would like that. lol

This game means so much more to MSU than it does UM.

MSU loses and they're 1-4 and 0-2 in the Big Ten, in other words, toast.

UM loses and they're 4-1 and 1-1 in the Big Ten, still fine.

UM's freshman have never played on the road before (including both QBs) not to mention the hostile environs of EL.

That's what's got me thinking MSU by 10.


Disagree completely. If UM had beaten them last year and not ended up at 3-9, along with the other bullshit that has transpired at UM over the last 23 months--then yes--this game would set up as a desperate season-saver for the Sparties.

HOWEVA--all things considered, and especially with the Sparties being handed the keys to the state of Michigan by the media--UM NEEDS this game more than them. It's what I've been calling the "cutlure war" with MSU--and they have been winning.

Michigan and Rodriguez have to win this game, also, because IMO they need to go 2-2 this year against the Big Four, and despite all the optimism now percolating, I don't see any chance of beating PSU or OSU (and for that matter, Iowa or Wisconsin).

Win this week, and UM is all but guaranteed of heading into the Penn State game at 6-1 (speculating on an Iowa loss), with bowl qualifying out of the way, and two very winnable games left against Illinois and Purdue. That pretty much secures 8-4, 5-3 in the conference, and a better Year Two than most expected. And it will go a long way with recruits.

I just disagree.
If MSU loses, they'll be in complete turmoil. The natives will be calling for Pastor Mark's head (some already are).

The worst thing that happens with a UM loss is they'll drop from the Top 20/25, someplace that most thought they wouldn't even see at all this year.

All of the realistic goals for UM will still be attainable with a loss, not true for MSU.

It looks like this is a discussion about each schools expectations and what this game would mean win or lose.

I think Zip is right with the fairly high aspirations of UofM...or after going 3-0 the aspirations have become, that this game means more to UofM in the big picture.

Versus MSU's season doesn't have a whole helluva lot of meaning if they lose to Big Bro unless they damn near go undefeated. And I agree with Glan on that. This game is basically their season.

If UofM loses, we are 3-1 and the future still looks bright. If MSU loses, OUCH!

Shit. Tahoe beat me to it.

claiming this game doesnt matter for either side would be weak sauce. dantoni doesnt need it to keep his job this year, but in a year or two they might look back at this game.

michigan can have a big season without winning, but it'd be hard to have a great one. and losing to a mediocre state team would be a tough pill, especially since we're owed something good after last year's performance. RR has to prove he knows the rivalries.

its interesting to me that the line keeps moving towards sparty (currently theyre getting 3.5). for one, how far back do you have to go to sparty winning a close one? but also, the line is moving as its revealed tate should be 100% for the game.

im really interested to see if we throw many vertical passes this game. that 56 o/u looks like a joke, but sometimes those are the bets you want to stay away from the most.

diddly: As I understand Vegas, the line is moving probably because the heavy betting is on UM. Vegas is just trying to find the middle (if they keep giving MSU points).

Now to Glan and Tahoe: MSU IS MSU. They are coming off two bowl seasons that weren't expected. Remember, Dantonio inherited a circus and won with that circus. He's got his Free Pass and his contract extension. He's been championed by the media in Michigan, and has been recruiting there pretty well.

I'm not talking about expectations in the usual Michigan sense--I'm talking about a guy in Rodriguez who really doesn't have any room for error outside of PSU and OSU. UM loses to a floundering MSU--that's two in a row for DickRod--and that' bad news. With a loss, he heat will be turned up, and with four games that pretty much look like losses right now--it's a pretty big "If" to say that Um can still have a "great season"

6-6 or anything worse, and I don't know that DickRod sleeps for the next eight months. You have to put this season--and this game in particular--into context. The context is DickRod has been fighting for survival since the day he was hired. MSU is now pretty much the "people's champion"--with the media on their side. There has been much more attention on off-fied issues than on. There has just been so much bullshit surrounding DickRod that he NEEDS as many monkeys off his back as he can possibly get.

And to take this one step further (deeper into the recesses of my mind--hooooahahahahahah)--This rebellion needs to be SQUASHED NOW:SHIT STORM!:

MSU is hurting. They were projected third in the conference and to finish at the WORST 9-3, if not 10-2 and to challenge for more due to a weaker schedule. Fucking A--if you want something done you got to do it yourself. Put out the fires of this rebellion while they are down and you are right bck where you belong and they are an afterthought. UM was top dawg for 40 years and there seemed to be a real chance it was ending--now you smother them after only one year, and it's OVER.

If Goddam Central Michigan can beat them--if Wisconsin can crush them, and if Notre Dame found a way to beat them at Notre Dame--the planets are now aligned, the setting is right, they are in the crosshairs, and you MUST put them out of their misery.

A win by Sparty would go along way toward rejuvenating their always tenuousprogram. Dantonio hangs by a string not just for this year--but the very future of college football in Michigan could be up for grabs STILL, especially with them coming to Ann Arbor next year.

There is NO tomorrow. On Saturday morning, Michigan leaves for the hellhole known as East Lansing for an epic battle on the banks of the Michgty Red Cedar. They must burn the ships when they land there--they must take home the Paul Bunyan Trophy--they cannot let this enemy breathe a sigh of relief which might be all they need to completely revive.

:SHIT STORM!: TO SPARTY! NOWWWW!

ZOMG!!! liek... teh hype iz almoast hear!!! TOO MUNTHS :D

ZOMG!!! liek... teh hype iz almoast hear!!! TOO MUNTHS :D

Go play with your Dots

zip, nice point about the spread. the line moves away from the money. dont know why i got mixed up. guess its sort of counter intuitive.

the weather. in chicago today we had cold hard rain. itll be in michigan soon if not there already. we're supposed to have the exact same conditions sat, not sure what time. if its doing at the game what it did today in chicago, it will be a nasty game to be at, and the weather will have more of an impact than it did for the ND game last year. which is nasty even to recall.

got to disagree just a hair, though. i dont think theres one prospect of interest who will watch the game saturday and say 'im attending the winner'. state needs a strong season, not a big moral victory. yes, a win will probably be big for the local media. but who cares about them? michigan seems to compete with state for no more than a handful of local talent, and winning that hardly seems to make / break our recruiting class.

Zip, a great day is upon us. By Saturday, our troops will be on the outskirts of East Lansing. By mid-day it will fall, and we will once again walk on the cherished fields in Ann Arbor.

Only God can stop us now. And it is my firm belief, Zip, that the almighty is a Wolverine.

diddly: As I understand Vegas, the line is moving probably because the heavy betting is on UM. Vegas is just trying to find the middle (if they keep giving MSU points).

Now to Glan and Tahoe: MSU IS MSU. They are coming off two bowl seasons that weren't expected. Remember, Dantonio inherited a circus and won with that circus. He's got his Free Pass and his contract extension. He's been championed by the media in Michigan, and has been recruiting there pretty well.

I'm not talking about expectations in the usual Michigan sense--I'm talking about a guy in Rodriguez who really doesn't have any room for error outside of PSU and OSU. UM loses to a floundering MSU--that's two in a row for DickRod--and that' bad news. With a loss, he heat will be turned up, and with four games that pretty much look like losses right now--it's a pretty big "If" to say that Um can still have a "great season"

6-6 or anything worse, and I don't know that DickRod sleeps for the next eight months. You have to put this season--and this game in particular--into context. The context is DickRod has been fighting for survival since the day he was hired. MSU is now pretty much the "people's champion"--with the media on their side. There has been much more attention on off-fied issues than on. There has just been so much bullshit surrounding DickRod that he NEEDS as many monkeys off his back as he can possibly get.

And to take this one step further (deeper into the recesses of my mind--hooooahahahahahah)--This rebellion needs to be SQUASHED NOW:SHIT STORM!:

MSU is hurting. They were projected third in the conference and to finish at the WORST 9-3, if not 10-2 and to challenge for more due to a weaker schedule. Fucking A--if you want something done you got to do it yourself. Put out the fires of this rebellion while they are down and you are right bck where you belong and they are an afterthought. UM was top dawg for 40 years and there seemed to be a real chance it was ending--now you smother them after only one year, and it's OVER.

If Goddam Central Michigan can beat them--if Wisconsin can crush them, and if Notre Dame found a way to beat them at Notre Dame--the planets are now aligned, the setting is right, they are in the crosshairs, and you MUST put them out of their misery.

A win by Sparty would go along way toward rejuvenating their always tenuousprogram. Dantonio hangs by a string not just for this year--but the very future of college football in Michigan could be up for grabs STILL, especially with them coming to Ann Arbor next year.

There is NO tomorrow. On Saturday morning, Michigan leaves for the hellhole known as East Lansing for an epic battle on the banks of the Michgty Red Cedar. They must burn the ships when they land there--they must take home the Paul Bunyan Trophy--they cannot let this enemy breathe a sigh of relief which might be all they need to completely revive.

:SHIT STORM!: TO SPARTY! NOWWWW!


Good points Zip, but I'm still not convinced.

TBC

Funny stuff, but some of you are WAHLN

Good points Zip, but I'm still not convinced.

TBC

That's because you're not as smart as me. Don't worry, though--that happens a lot.

LDB exclusive!!! JT Floyd to start in place of the Boob.

Does Boobie have an injured arm?

Does Boobie have an injured arm?

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Man, I forgot how late Michigan was ahead in that game.

Still pissed I can't see this game. WTF is with ABC showing cartoons and no early football game? I could understand passing on this game and showing a better matchup, but they have no game at all.

Sweet. Just called Dish Network. You can get the "local sports channels" package for 5.99/month and it has all the regional sports channels you don't normally get. They added it free for 3 months, so I can just cancel it after that (after watching all the football season). Then I can just add it the next time I need to use it.

Chris wins.

Well done.

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Simonson is being his normal dumbass self, predicting that Sheridan will be the surprise starter due to Taint's injury.

Now that would hurt 'our' chances on Saturday a lil bit, just a lil bit.

Still pissed I can't see this game. WTF is with ABC showing cartoons and no early football game? I could understand passing on this game and showing a better matchup, but they have no game at all.

There are two seperate weeks in which the Big Ten Network gets 2nd choice of the Big Ten games and this is one of them and the Michigan/Michigan State game was left unprotected so they scooped it up and had a huge boner.

"no disrespect" to Bill Parcells, but I don't think either of these teams are what their records say they are.

"I envisioned a game at Spartan Stadium with a running back wearing #41 running wild behind a dominating offensive line.

It was glorious.

Reailzed later I was watching Batman Holman and the 1993 MSU versus Penn State game (MSU blew a 20 point lead and lost. Crap non-call on a Kyle Brady fumble that MSU recovered and a STUPID roughing the kicker penalty that gave PSU the ball at another key time eff those effing effers).

But it was a foreboding image. The home team establishihng a punishing running game behind the efforts of #41.

Is Glenn Winston the new Stephen "Batman" Holman"? I think so, but for more than just one game.

Rock it out today Winston. Rock it out."

- spartyman

prediction: the spartan qbs dont want to get hit by brandon graham for some reason. wierd.

Watching those clips LDB posted, it makes me chuckle that MSU was so excited to beat the shittiest team Michigan has ever put on a field. I understand it was their first victory in like 7 years, but they were the far superior team... and almost lost. They can celebrate like that when they win today though, with their record being what it is.

the perfect storm may force me to miss this game. right now i really hate the btn.

There are two seperate weeks in which the Big Ten Network gets 2nd choice of the Big Ten games and this is one of them and the Michigan/Michigan State game was left unprotected so they scooped it up and had a huge boner.

I did not know that and thanks.

^ not the boner part.

Well, UM's got no chance, it looks like MSU's defense showed up.

I think State has gained about 225 yards so far on this drive.

I wish I could get a Dantonio cam. Love watching that dude get pissed.

State deserses that 7pts. Overcame 3 huge penalties.

Van Bergen(?) just introduced Cousins head to the turf. That was quite a head slam.

Cousins is playing a helluva game though.

Damn, fumble recovery there would have been huge.

Cousins is pulling a Mateen so he can emerge from the lockeroom to a hero's welcome.

^i doubt he's out stealing 40 ouncers, tho

Still pissed I can't see this game. WTF is with ABC showing cartoons and no early football game? I could understand passing on this game and showing a better matchup, but they have no game at all.

http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=51382&part=sports

Download streamtorrent and use the links for that program. Works great. I've been able to get all the Tiger games and watch yesterday's Wings game on it.

Doesn't look like halftime did a whole lot to change things.

State will prolly run on 1st and 2nd for a lil bit then Cuz will throw for a 1st down.

Holy fuckin stupid shit!

That looked like a designed play. Dumbest play I've seen in quite a while.

That was horrible and it could cost them the game.

Shame on you, RR

My god, what a hit

um 54- msu 48 if michigan's defense shows up.

this u-m defense brings back memories of nw in 2000. They can give up points to anyone. of course the 2000 team did shut out msu, but I don't think competent defense lets Indiana score 7 times. Of course the feast or famine offense didn't help any. For the love of god, find someone that can actually snap the football.


I think this may be one of the worst predictions that i ever made (score-wise at least). michigan may come back, but the injured qb run from the shotgun on 3rd down followed by running the punter from the inside the 10 have to qualify as some of the dumbest fucking coaching decisions ever. msu should be up by 3 tds right now.

either molk is a huge difference maker, or this offense is regressing rapidly. sparty is being sparty with TOs and dumb penalties, but michigan is playing like a sack of shit, except for graham, brown and warren.

State is only better than 'us' on Offense, Defense and special teams though.

This one's over. State wants it more and is completely outplaying UM.

How long until bukdow and Baker return?

Baker Watch 2009...

Put this loss on Rich Rod. Coached like a dumbass today. That fake punt was stupid down only one score (lucky to hold to a FG). Then putting Robinson in there to completely waste a series. What a dumb fucking piece of shit coaching today. MSU has outplayed them no doubt. But your coach should be putting you in situations to win...not lose.

Terrible call there against State.

Thats about a shitty time to fumble the ball.

DONE.

State owned us today and we're only down 7.

^ From "Things to say when you got beat" 101.

Mathews looked to be wide open.

What a finish, win or lose. LMAO

A fuggin TD! Unbeeweebable.

Now we'll miss the xp?

18 yards rushing, and Forcier leads with 18 yards.

A U-M that can't run the ball... wow... Bo must be pissing in his grave.

That fake punt really killed Michigan. They would have won without it.

Fucking fake punt. Michigan is 5-0 without that play.

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Great game by both teams.

Congratulations Michigan State. I think everyone knew they were better than 1-3 and they proved it today.

State deserved the win but holy shit I can't believe that Tate almost did it again.

UM is just not quite ready for prime time, but they're coming.

In all honesty, I posted a few weeks ago that UM, MSU and ND are all about equal, and I haven't seen anything that makes me think that's wrong.

State deserved the win but holy shit I can't believe that Tate almost did it again.

Cogent

I just can't get over how god-awful UM's defense is.

I'm not too upset. A loss was coming. Dipshit experts riding the bandwagon and saying Michigan could compete for the B10 title this year don't know wtf they're talking about (I'm looking at you, Jesse Palmer).

Look for a strong showing against Iowa next week.

I just can't get over how god-awful UM's defense is.
Not as bad as their coordinator greg robinson. Never liked him as an NFL Coordinator and it still doesnt change in college. I hate the whole staff though, how many plays did us getting too cute and trying to make darnell robinson a qb cost?

From Greg's Syracuse days.

Yes, I know "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" is sooo dope, but look at that dope in the bottom right! What the fuck is so unknown? We suck! A Robinson "unknown press conference" would contain the following sample dialogue:

Press: Is this your breakthrough year, like last year and the year before?
Robinson:I guess I just don't know!
Press: How badly will you guys fuck up to lose this game?
Robinson: Not sure what ridiculous trick play we'll run as the fourth quarter runs out, but I think the quadruple reverse is high on my priority list.
Press: Who is starting..?
Robinson: GODDAMNIT I DON'T FUCKING KNOW! GET OFF MY FUCKING BACK! I KNOW WE FUCKING SUCK!

I don't follow it close enough, but I read more about lack of talent/experience/depth on D, than I do about Robinson. But that doens't mean all those columnists couldn't be wrong.

To all those that doubted, thanks.

MSU held on for a great win today. Hopefully it turns around the season.

I am still pissed that it took us 4 games to 'wake up' and play like last year. Defense was actually decent for 55 minutes and I will always detest the prevent.

Tate is going to be a big ten monster for the next 3 years. Not looking forward to that.

I'm proud of UM, Tate especially, for coming back. I gave the team no chance and the dude(s) proved me wrong.

Sparty on!!!!

Fun game either way. Pretty amazing that midget bastard nearly did it again. Shine on, you ****ing midget.

In related news, I still have 1 alpaca left.

And holy shit is that defense awful. Stepped up and played better in the 4th, but I think that had more to do with what MSU was (and wasn't) doing.

Still no Baker and bukdow sightings? shit, UM might as well have won!

edit - nm, bukdow was on today.

Probably masturbated to the last few pages of this thread.

managrd to see game. completely awesome.

lol@extremists who said this game would settle shit. not so fast my friend. msu looked dickless as ever and their best player was jail bird winston.

not surprisingly, the win neithers saves msu nor ruins blue.

our d wont be terrible forever.

our d wont be terrible forever.
Yea Greg Robinson and RR can't be here forever. Until then I expect dumbass qb switches, over use of gimmick plays, and pussy booted Zones that even an MSU QB could eat alive.

I am proud of MSU for not rushing the field. They were supposed to beat Michigan this year.

Playing MSU is all risk and no reward for me. If Michigan loses, I'm pissed for a week. If they win, it's just expected. I almost wish they didn't come back and get my hopes up.

^same

How UM plays @ Iowa next week will tell alot about what type of season this will be. If they win, then perhaps they can still salvage a Jan 1 bowl game and a shot at winning the B10, but if they lose and get obliterated, then 6-7 wins might be their peak...

Iowa doesn't have a great offense, they beat Penn St on the defensive side of the ball (blocked punt for TD, INT's etc.) so if Stanzi is throwing the ball at will and making big plays, then the 4-1 start could've been smoke & mirrors.

State dominated the majority of the game, and clearly wanted it more, and deserved the win. But I cannot say enough about Tate Forcier. The kid just has "it" and continues to do amazing things in the clutch. Sure, he made a bad throw at the end of the game, but that last TD drive in the rain was stuff of legend. Too bad he didn't finish it off.

But again, State was the better team and clearly deserved the win. Great play by their defense in particular negating the run, (and the pass for the majority of the game) and their offense looked downright lethal at times. (Or is Michigan's D just that bad? Or a combo of both?) Congrats Sparties, you deserve it, and are much better than a 2-3 team.

With all of that said, I am getting more and more excited about the future of Michigan football each week. Just wait until all of these freshmen and sophomores are juniors and seniors and there is speed all over the field!

GO BLUE!

How can people rag on the defense? This was the top rated offense in the Big Ten. We held them to a season low 20 points in regulation. The defense came up big on two trips for them into the Red Zone (one starting at UM's 15 yard line after that boner by Mesko).

UM's defense forced three turnovers, and caused fumbles on two others. We stuffed them on a fourth and short.

The ofense can't score three td's to win? We started drive on their 15 yard line and went BAKCWARDS for crissakes.

And for the guy who claimed MSU played "prevent"--they were blitzing on almost every play on The Drive. UM finally used some offensive imagination there and the Amazing Tits Forcier came through. Again.

These are the kinds of games I talked about--you have to find a way when the other team stops your high-powered offense. the coaching staff had ZERO answers for their DEFENSE. That was the problem. UM had at least half a dozen three and oots--not including the first drive of -4 yards that led to a field goal and seemed to inspire THEM.

UM has a fucking TON of offensive weapons--this staff has got to find a way to use them better. Stonum, Koger, Minor, Brown, Mathews (who did not touch the ball except to fair catch punts), Odoms, Robinson--it's Game 5--you have to know what you have and how to make it work.

There was some agonizing moments for the defense, to be sure--but I blame no one for this loss (a lil on the coaching staff)--it was simply MSU's day, and UM fought valiantly to the end. Great game.

Totally agree. The offensive play calling in this one was complete manure. Tate's improvising got them to OT some how, but that also led to the INT that sealed it for MSU. He had Kroger open coming across to the right side (you can see it on the replay), but didn't see him. Can't really blame him given the weather and the pressure MSU was putting on him late.

WTF is with all the damn bad snaps too. I know Mooseman isn't a center, but damn. They had a whole weak to fix that shit.

And I'm so damn sick of putting Robinson at QB. Until he can learn one damn play don't put him back there. Run a reverse with him, or throw a screen to him, but don't put him at QB. At least when Tate is in there (and the play goes to Robinson), you don't know it's a run automatically. I was so pissed Rich Rod wasted a series late in the game when trailing with Denard. How stupid was that?

My daughter had a soccer game Saturday so I missed everything after State's opening drive till the middle of the third quarter. That said, Tate threw a number of bad passes in the short time I got to see the game with only the last one being intercepted (although I think two sure interceptions were dropped and one the receiver made a great play to take the ball out of the hands of the DB to which the pass was thrown). I was happy with the outcome of the last two drives in regulation but Forcier was making plenty of poor choices along with the good ones.

Agree with the sentiment about the UM defense. If you tell me before the game that State only scores 20 points, I'm telling you that UM wins the game. The defense can give up all the yards it wants, if it holds teams under 21 points the offense should never deliver a loss.

State has to be happy with it's defensive effort. I didn't see most of the game but whatever they were doing was clearly working.