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Glenn
08-10-2009, 10:16 AM
Bring the banner down out of the rafters.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090809/COL22/908090545/Traylor-wants-to-finish-his-rocky-career-the-right-way


Robert Traylor wants to finish his rocky career the right way

BY MICHAEL ROSENBERG
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

It takes a large man to look small at 298 pounds, but Robert Traylor does. The man known as the “Tractor” since high school is 32 now. He is determined to make it back to the NBA one more time, after several seasons overseas.

Traylor wants to finish his career the right way. If he succeeds, it will be the only chapter of his career that went as he planned.

Traylor went to the University of Michigan, hoping to win a national championship and become a U-M legend. Instead, he became embroiled in the Ed Martin scandal, helped land Michigan in NCAA trouble and cannot have any official contact with the school.

He turned pro after his junior year, was drafted sixth overall and figured he would be a star. Instead, he became a role player, ate too much, stayed out too late and left the league.

He always thought of himself as a role model for Detroit kids, an example of what they could be if they got out. Instead, he was accused of money-laundering to help a Detroit drug kingpin.

The public perception is that Robert Traylor destroyed his basketball career. But really, his career was falling apart before it ever began.

* * *

Lenora Traylor was a registered nurse. She had worked in the emergency room at Saratoga Hospital in Detroit. So she should have known better. And she knew she should have known better. Yet there she was, smoking crack with a boyfriend, and pretty soon she was an addict.

She hated herself for it. Her son Robert was not yet 10 years old, and Lenora's crack habit had left him in the care of her mom, Jessie Mae. But Lenora couldn't get herself to stop. She got pregnant again and kept smoking crack; her son Walter Glover was born with the drug in his bloodstream.

Robert Traylor would get up in the morning, go to Murray-Wright High School, practice with his basketball team, and come home at 5 or 6. Then Jessie Mae Carter, Robert's grandmother, would go off to work as a janitor.

Robert would feed Walter, change his diapers, and put him to bed. Their mother was on the streets.

"We're brothers, but I was more like a father to him," Robert said.

Lenora became a prostitute, turning tricks for drugs and cash. Sometimes she would bring johns back to the house, even if one of her kids was there.

When a numbers runner and basketball junkie from Detroit named Ed Martin started offering Robert cash, Robert didn't hesitate. He took money, food, whatever Ed would give. He took thousands and thousands of dollars' worth.

One February night in 1996, Traylor and his U-M teammates, Louis Bullock and Maurice Taylor, took recruit Mateen Cleaves to Detroit for a night of partying. First, though, they stopped at Ed Martin's house.

Traylor says each of the four -- Traylor, Taylor, Bullock and Cleaves -- took around $300 from Martin. (Cleaves, who remains friends with Traylor, declined to comment.) They then went to a hotel and had some women dance for them.

Taylor fell asleep at the wheel on the way back to Ann Arbor. The ensuing crash broke Traylor's arm and triggered an investigation into the players' dealings with Martin. It would result in one of the biggest cash scandals in NCAA history.

When Robert got to the NBA, he would spread money around like it was lawn seed. He bought his grandmother a new house. He'd go to clubs with friends and pick up the check. He would come back to Detroit every summer and throw a huge block party, complete with fireworks -- he'd spend as much as $15,000 on it.

He says he provided financial support to as many as 15 to 20 family members and friends. But he would not give to his mother. He didn't want to support her crack habit.

He gave money to Walter, though. And Lenora would take it.

She tried rehab three times, but it never took. She would get out and reach for the nearest pipe. When Jessie Mae died, in 2004, Lenora felt helpless and distraught -- and estranged from her sons. The woman who had raised her, Robert and Walter was gone. Lenora took stock of her life and made a decision:

I'm going to smoke until I die.

Conned by cousin
Quasand Lewis is Robert Traylor's cousin. From 1994 to 2005, he was also one of the biggest drug lords in Detroit.

Authorities said Lewis ran an enormous marijuana operation; he made millions of dollars by selling more than 33 tons of pot. They said the ring plotted kidnappings and fatal shootings. In 2006, Lewis was sentenced to 18 years in prison.

Traylor let Lewis buy two buildings in his name. He said he did it because Lewis is his cousin, and that he was "naive" and did not understand money-laundering laws. Authorities never believed that he dealt drugs.

But what Traylor did was indisputably illegal. He eventually pleaded guilty to a federal income tax charge for putting the buildings' depreciation on his tax returns.

What did he get out of the deal?

"Trouble," Traylor said with a laugh.

While the Lewis case was unraveling, Traylor found trouble of another kind: He had an enlarged aorta and needed heart surgery if he ever wanted to play competitive basketball again. When he found out, he sat on the side of his bed and cried. He thought he might die.

Lifestyle is downsized
Early in his NBA career, when he thought he would be a millionaire forever, Robert Traylor bought a 7,000-square foot house in West Bloomfield. It was big enough for the Tractor but more than Robert needed. It also turned out to be more than he could afford.

He now lives in a three-bedroom house in Novi, in a perfectly manicured, uniform community. The lawns are all green and the condos and houses all look the same. It is quintessential American suburbia.

Robert lives there with his wife, Raye, and his kids, Raigan and Robert Jr.

And Lenora, too.

"I realized that I had a drug problem," she said last week. "I had broken all friendship and communication with them and everything."

She spent four months in a rehabilitation center last winter. Robert was skeptical; he still is, sometimes. But she says she thinks this time is different.

"I went because I wanted to," Lenora said. "Before I went because of Robert, my family. This time I really went for myself."

As for Robert, he says he is content. He wishes he had done some things differently, of course. He says he regrets not taking his NBA career more seriously.

"Sometimes I do," Traylor said. "I always try and tell myself, 'Don't regret the things that are past.' But when I do think back sometimes, I look at tapes ... I think I could have been a lot better than I was."

He regrets the building deal with his cousin, Quasand Lewis.

"I tarnished my reputation," Traylor said.

But he does not regret taking money from Ed Martin.

"I will never sit here and say I regret that situation," Traylor said. "For the situation that I was in, with my family, I did what I had to do to support us and to get us through the times that we were in. I can't sit here and say that I don't feel blessed to have the opportunity to take care of my grandmother or support my little brother at the time. I just can't do it."

Of the four players involved in the Ed Martin scandal -- Traylor, Chris Webber, Taylor and Bullock -- only Traylor paid Martin back.

He has played in Puerto Rico and Spain; last season, he played in Turkey. He can go back to Europe and make guaranteed money, and maybe he will.

But first he wants to take another shot at the NBA.

One reason is closure. But a bigger one is that Robert Jr. is a huge NBA fan, and he has never really seen his dad play, except on old tapes. This is why Robert Traylor wants one more chance. He wants to show his son who he really is.

Contact MICHAEL ROSENBERG: 313-222-6052 or mrosenberg@freepress.com.

Baker
08-10-2009, 01:50 PM
Michigan fans are becoming so pathetic, it is hilarious. The Free Press is becoming borderline tabloid to save their paper as well. First they put out the bogus Gholston article and basically retract it, now this.


So let me get this straight, A MICHIGAN MAN claims that Cleaves took 300 bucks from a MICHIGAN MAN in attempt to convince Cleaves to go to MICHIGAN. They can't even cheat right. Aren't you supposed to give a player money to go to YOUR school. LOL Comedy at its finest.


We supposably have the complex in regards to our rival, yet the Wolverine Free Press is digging for a 13 year old story about 300 bucks.

b-diddy
08-10-2009, 02:05 PM
its not really a 13 year old story if tractor just brought it up.

also, regardless of where he went, cleaves shouldnt have taken the money (300, 3000000, or 3 dollars). if martin cheated in the instance (as you admit) so did cleaves, right? lol, comedy at its finest.

as far as ripping the freep, its been incredibly active in actually uncovering stories in the last year, especially for a dying medium. i know it doesnt compare to being the first to find out about a 17 year old's decision on which school he will attend, but they have pretty much gone to war against detroit corruption.

MoTown
08-10-2009, 03:52 PM
Michigan fans are becoming so pathetic, it is hilarious. The Free Press is becoming borderline tabloid to save their paper as well. First they put out the bogus Gholston article and basically retract it, now this.


So let me get this straight, A MICHIGAN MAN claims that Cleaves took 300 bucks from a MICHIGAN MAN in attempt to convince Cleaves to go to MICHIGAN. They can't even cheat right. Aren't you supposed to give a player money to go to YOUR school. LOL Comedy at its finest.


We supposably have the complex in regards to our rival, yet the Wolverine Free Press is digging for a 13 year old story about 300 bucks.

First of all, shut up. It's just as much of a story as the Feagan thing, but I'm sure you would know nothing about being a hypocrite. Second of all, this is pretty much common knowledge, Traylor just verified it. Everybody knew Mateen was all set to go to Michigan but then all of the scandal news came up and he just couldn't go there so the Izzo swept in and took him in. Third of all, it's nothing to get mad over. He didn't do anything bad at MSU, Izzo made him into a good kid, and it's history from there. The article is just saying that Mateen was in on it, and probably would have been a villian if Tractor Traylor didn't flip that car.

End of story.

Baker
08-10-2009, 04:10 PM
its not really a 13 year old story if tractor just brought it up.

also, regardless of where he went, cleaves shouldnt have taken the money (300, 3000000, or 3 dollars). if martin cheated in the instance (as you admit) so did cleaves, right? lol, comedy at its finest.

as far as ripping the freep, its been incredibly active in actually uncovering stories in the last year, especially for a dying medium. i know it doesnt compare to being the first to find out about a 17 year old's decision on which school he will attend, but they have pretty much gone to war against detroit corruption.

So if Plaxico came out today and said that Charles Woodson took 300 from a MSU booster, what would your response be? Go ahead, be completely honest. If a former MSU player, made this claim about a heralded U of M player in a story in the Lansing State Journal...you guys would have a field day and you know it. It's ridiculous. Sad/desperate attempt to pull your rival into your mistake/mess.

Secondly, IF it were true...MSU still isn't connected. How did MSU benefit from a Michigan booster attempting to be shady? MSU didn't benefit or do anything shady whatsoever. No story. You wanna talk about 300 bucks go ahead, it really comes off like terrible sour grapes. Trying so desperately to taint what MSU has done.

In regards to the Free Press, sports wise they are a JOKE. They are and always have been PRO MICHIGAN. It is undeniable and this newspaper is despised by the MSU faithful because it has been this way for years. There is no denying it. Go over to RCMB and they even have emoticon's for the free press because it is so despised.

Baker
08-10-2009, 04:23 PM
First of all, shut up. It's just as much of a story as the Feagan thing, but I'm sure you would know nothing about being a hypocrite. Second of all, this is pretty much common knowledge, Traylor just verified it. Everybody knew Mateen was all set to go to Michigan but then all of the scandal news came up and he just couldn't go there so the Izzo swept in and took him in. Third of all, it's nothing to get mad over. He didn't do anything bad at MSU, Izzo made him into a good kid, and it's history from there. The article is just saying that Mateen was in on it, and probably would have been a villian if Tractor Traylor didn't flip that car.

End of story.

You can shut up and get a clue before posting. You thinking that Mateen was set to go to Michigan is soooo ridiculously untrue it isn't even funny. Its also just another example of Michigan arrogance..."of course he was going to go to Michigan." WRONG. Mateen's teammate and best friend at the time Antonio Smith was already at MSU. Mateen was at open gyms, games, etc. throughout his junior year long before the car rolling incident. So get bent. You are right about the rest, but claiming that he was going to Michigan is such a joke and nothing but maize and blue excuse making for the takeover by MSU. I was in attendence for a MSU game while Mateen was visiting with family and the entire student section started chanting "Mateen...Mateen" and he pumped his fist to the crowd as his boy Antonio pointed to him from the sideline. No joke, remember like yesterday. It was against Washington. He was eating it up and this was prior to any commitment. I also remember specifically being surprised that he even took a visit to Michigan because he seemed to be a lock at the time.

JickBoy34
08-10-2009, 04:30 PM
Take this for what it's worth Doc..I enjoyed watching MSU's basketball team win it all the first time, and I enjoyed and openly rooted for them this year. But after everything I read that comes out of your mouth that is so drenced in hate and anger, it disgusts me that for a short time I rooted for the same team as you.

b-diddy
08-10-2009, 04:34 PM
So if Plaxico came out today and said that Charles Woodson took 300 from a MSU booster, what would your response be? Go ahead, be completely honest. If a former MSU player, made this claim about a heralded U of M player in a story in the Lansing State Journal...you guys would have a field day and you know it. It's ridiculous. Sad/desperate attempt to pull your rival into your mistake/mess.


ifs and buts... let me know when it happens, then we'll talk.




Secondly, IF it were true...MSU still isn't connected. How did MSU benefit from a Michigan booster attempting to be shady? MSU didn't benefit or do anything shady whatsoever. No story. You wanna talk about 300 bucks go ahead, it really comes off like terrible sour grapes. Trying so desperately to taint what MSU has done.


msu didnt do anything wrong, but mateen did (allegedly). and if he violated his status as an amateur student athlete, im not sure MSU should benefit from the games he played.


In regards to the Free Press, sports wise they are a JOKE. They are and always have been PRO MICHIGAN. It is undeniable and this newspaper is despised by the MSU faithful because it has been this way for years. There is no denying it. Go over to RCMB and they even have emoticon's for the free press because it is so despised.
no thanks on going to whatever website your referring. im not sure sparties being sparties proves anything.

Hermy
08-10-2009, 05:20 PM
that anyone cares even a little bit about this is why college sports is a waste. Shame on UM fan for talking about it, and shame on MSU fan for thinking they wouldn't be all over it if the tables were turned. Tabloid bitches.

Glenn
08-10-2009, 05:23 PM
Look who's spinning now.

The face of your program took money under the table.

He should be ruled ineligible.

Spin or minimize it any way you want to Doc, he broke the rules.

Zip Goshboots
08-11-2009, 06:49 AM
I think it's a great story. There's no statute of limitations on Mateen taking money or Tractor and the Fraud Five doing it. But for you to say MSU did nothing wrong, only Mateen (if true)--well, did UM do anything wrong? It was the players who took the caysh, right?

Anyway, let's be real. Players on college teams dress better than most of the general public, drive cars around town that they absolutely can't afford, and are probably getting $50 handshakes all the friggin' time. Only a dumbass would believe that there is any more than a modicum of integrity and cleanliness in any major college sports program.

Personally, I couldn't give a shit. It's a horse out of the barn, and the players, although they get this so called "free education" are the source for Millions of dollars for a whole economy that revolves around them, and they get no noticeable tangible benefits from it. Many of them are herded through the education system because of their talent, or quickly forgotten if they don't pan out or lose their spot on the team. If they have some dudes willing to give them a car or a taco stuffed with hundred dollar bills, well, I don't give a rat's arse. It has gone on since Day One and will never stop. Not even with the Midget of Iron Mountain overseeing his empire in Lansing.

WTFchris
08-11-2009, 11:48 AM
that anyone cares even a little bit about this is why college sports is a waste. Shame on UM fan for talking about it, and shame on MSU fan for thinking they wouldn't be all over it if the tables were turned. Tabloid bitches.

Amazing how worked up people get on here though. It only took a few posts before we got into the "Michigan Arrogance" stereotypes too. People on this forum are so damn predictable.

Moodini31
08-11-2009, 12:19 PM
Take this for what it's worth Doc..I enjoyed watching MSU's basketball team win it all the first time, and I enjoyed and openly rooted for them this year. But after everything I read that comes out of your mouth that is so drenced in hate and anger, it disgusts me that for a short time I rooted for the same team as you.

Yeah, it's pretty easy to hate MSU when you've been listening to U-M hate/MSU spin venom for 20+ years. I could probaby deal with MSU if it weren't for the DrTre/"Baker" factor. Most other Sparties I know have fun with it and we can joke and have discussions, not obsessions and hatred.

Baker
08-11-2009, 04:33 PM
Take this for what it's worth Doc..I enjoyed watching MSU's basketball team win it all the first time, and I enjoyed and openly rooted for them this year. But after everything I read that comes out of your mouth that is so drenced in hate and anger, it disgusts me that for a short time I rooted for the same team as you.

Are you referring to the 2000 season when you came over to watch the Nat. Championship game, but then vanished at halftime without telling anyone you were leaving because MSU was in full control? Then I come over to ya the next day at Four Flags to give ya a little friendly razzing on your "wait on it" statement and you got all pissy and told me to go elsewhere before I even got a sentence out? Was that when you were rooting?

Once again, you can't help but post to me. Get over it dude, you don't like my Spartan passion...you never have. Who gives a shit? It is just that, team passion-get over it/don't read it/whatever.

Baker
08-11-2009, 04:36 PM
Look who's spinning now.

The face of your program took money under the table.

He should be ruled ineligible.

Spin or minimize it any way you want to Doc, he broke the rules.

First of all, we aren't talking about the 300,000 that Webber took. We are talking 300. REEEEACH.

Secondly, he took 300 according to who? A former bitter Michigan player? Forgive me if I'm skeptical on what Robert Traylor says.

Glenn
08-11-2009, 04:37 PM
Traylor says each of the four -- Traylor, Taylor, Bullock and Cleaves -- took around $300 from Martin. (Cleaves, who remains friends with Traylor, declined to comment.) They then went to a hotel and had some women dance for them.

spin spin spin

Baker
08-11-2009, 04:48 PM
Yeah, it's pretty easy to hate MSU when you've been listening to U-M hate/MSU spin venom for 20+ years. I could probaby deal with MSU if it weren't for the DrTre/"Baker" factor. Most other Sparties I know have fun with it and we can joke and have discussions, not obsessions and hatred.

Right back at ya. Why do you think I hate Michigan so badly? Listening to Moodini/Jickboy comments about MSU/UM got real old after 20 yrs. I could give about a hundred examples of shit I had to take all by myself while ganged up on, but at least I can take it. It was always okay to give Tre shit, its only when its given back to ya that its a problem.

I couldn't be too obsessed or have too much hatred, I think I remember inviting ya to the Breslin for the MICHIGAN game, sat in Spartan fan seats, and didn't give one ounce of grief the whole time.

If you are honest with yourself and take a trip down memory lane, i think you'll realize Tre got shit on for most of his life hangin with the Michigan boys so maybe you might change your tune.

Baker
08-11-2009, 04:50 PM
spin spin spin

Honestly, makes no diff to me. It really doesn't. If we are talking 300, either way I could care less. If we were talking thousands, I'd have concern.

I do have to ask why a former Michigan player would rehash an accident that happened 13 years ago in a random article now.

Wizzle
08-11-2009, 04:52 PM
If you are honest with yourself and take a trip down memory lane, i think you'll realize Tre got shit on for most of his life hangin with the Michigan boys so maybe you might change your tune.

is this talking in 5th person?

Glenn
08-11-2009, 04:56 PM
Honestly, makes no diff to me. It really doesn't. If we are talking 300, either way I could care less. If we were talking thousands, I'd have concern.

It's pretty naive to think that it was a one-time occurrence, IMO.

And lol@Wizzle, so perfect.

:wizzle owns:

WTFchris
08-11-2009, 05:04 PM
It's hard for me to judge guys on this stuff when I was never in their shoes. I know I would have done things the right way and tried to be legal. Any illegal stuff I would have done would have been accidental. There is no way for me to know how hard it is to tell how hard it is to define gifts that are OK or not. But I suspect if I were a top 5 recruit in the state that I would sure find out before I started getting recruited too.

I think this is a non issue because it was harmless (he didn't go there anyway). If it was from MSU and caused him to go there then there'd be a story.

That being said, it doesn't mean he didn't take money from MSU also. Without proof you have to assume he did not, but you never know.

Baker
08-11-2009, 05:05 PM
It's pretty naive to think that it was a one-time occurrence, IMO.

I don't, it was his one and only visit to Michigan. The place where dreams are purchased. Wishful thinking Glan and pretty pathetic.

Glenn
08-11-2009, 05:39 PM
I think it's more pathetic, and extremely naïve, to give a guy that took "some" money under the table any benefit of the doubt. If he was willing to break the rules once, why would he just do it once?

And you can save the"it was his only official visit" stuff. The money could find him easily no matter where he was. Again, that's naïve. These guys were all hanging out and partying together.

Once you go down the road of taking improper gifts/cash, why would you stop?

For all we know the threat of the money trail coming to light after the accident might have played a big part in him going to MSU.

You were so hard on Dar Tucker but not Mateen, I wonder why?

Wait...

WTFchris
08-11-2009, 05:43 PM
Wasn't there something about him and some guys getting busted for stealing 40's? Maybe that was other sparty bball players. I can't remember.

Glenn
08-11-2009, 05:48 PM
Him it was.

Antonio Smith, too, IIRC

WTFchris
08-11-2009, 05:53 PM
Thanks. I don't think he's a bad apple or anything, but it does show he can make mistakes in judgement.

Baker
08-12-2009, 12:30 AM
I think it's more pathetic, and extremely naïve, to give a guy that took "some" money under the table any benefit of the doubt. If he was willing to break the rules once, why would he just do it once?

And you can save the"it was his only official visit" stuff. The money could find him easily no matter where he was. Again, that's naïve. These guys were all hanging out and partying together.

Once you go down the road of taking improper gifts/cash, why would you stop?

For all we know the threat of the money trail coming to light after the accident might have played a big part in him going to MSU.

You were so hard on Dar Tucker but not Mateen, I wonder why?

Wait...

You are basing everything on your believe that he took money. Why should I believe a bitter former Michigan player? Could he have taken money? Sure. Could he have passed on it? Sure. Could he have taken more? Sure. Anything and everything is possible. You can make that guess about any kid and every kid in college sports.

BUT, why on earth would a Michigan booster continually fork over money to a kid and allow him to attend the rival university. Pretty naive of you to think a booster would fork over money with no strings attached. Pretty sure there would be a conversation somewhere where an understanding would take place that the money was in exchange for a commitment. Like I said, Mateen and Antonio were all over MSU far before any of this.

Say what you want, think what you want...but talking about 300 bucks 13 years later is as sour grapes as it gets. Pry has something to do with the fact that Mateen embarrassed Michigan, rubbed their faces in it, and you are still pissed off.

Tahoe
08-12-2009, 01:00 AM
You are basing everything on your believe that he took money. Why should I believe a bitter former Michigan player? Could he have taken money? Sure. Could he have passed on it? Sure. Could he have taken more? Sure. Anything and everything is possible. You can make that guess about any kid and every kid in college sports.

BUT, why on earth would a Michigan booster continually fork over money to a kid and allow him to attend the rival university. Pretty naive of you to think a booster would fork over money with no strings attached. Pretty sure there would be a conversation somewhere where an understanding would take place that the money was in exchange for a commitment. Like I said, Mateen and Antonio were all over MSU far before any of this.

Say what you want, think what you want...but talking about 300 bucks 13 years later is as sour grapes as it gets. Pry has something to do with the fact that Mateen embarrassed Michigan, rubbed their faces in it, and you are still pissed off.

Exactly...wait for the facts....Like I'm sure WE all did with the Fab Five.

MoTown
08-12-2009, 09:45 AM
I enjoy the sparring that goes on in here with bukdow. He says some idiotic homer things, but he has a sense of humor and it's mostly just an act with him and he's probably not like that in "the real world". I'm willing to bet Tre is just as big of a douchebag in the real world as he is here.

Glenn
08-12-2009, 12:25 PM
You are basing everything on your believe that he took money. Why should I believe a bitter former Michigan player?

Because he's good friends with Mateen and has no reason to throw him under the bus by lying. The fact that Mateen refused to comment says it all. If he was innocent, wouldn't he be yelling from the rooftops?



BUT, why on earth would a Michigan booster continually fork over money to a kid and allow him to attend the rival university.
Who says that this was the first time? "Allow" him to attend? Wasn't Martin giving kids money that went to Iowa, too?


Like I said, Mateen and Antonio were all over MSU far before any of this. Um, so "all over MSU" that he took recruiting visit(s) to UM? Yeah.


Say what you want, think what you want...but talking about 300 bucks 13 years later is as sour grapes as it gets. Pry has something to do with the fact that Mateen embarrassed Michigan, rubbed their faces in it, and you are still pissed off.
Or the fact that the UM kids were treated like villians and Mateen gets the hero treatment. That doesn't sit right.

Baker
08-12-2009, 07:54 PM
I enjoy the sparring that goes on in here with bukdow. He says some idiotic homer things, but he has a sense of humor and it's mostly just an act with him and he's probably not like that in "the real world". I'm willing to bet Tre is just as big of a douchebag in the real world as he is here.

You don't like my >>SPORTS<< opinions, therefore I'm a d-bag. You hate my pro MSU opinion so much that you're going to assume I'm a d-bag in real life. Good thing you have the importance of sports clearly defined in your head. I'm also glad that line of cyberspace and reality isn't blurred at all for ya. whew

Glenn
08-12-2009, 09:47 PM
You don't like my >>SPORTS<< opinions, therefore I'm a d-bag. You hate my pro MSU opinion so much that you're going to assume I'm a d-bag in real life. Good thing you have the importance of sports clearly defined in your head. I'm also glad that line of cyberspace and reality isn't blurred at all for ya. whew

Vinny
08-12-2009, 11:23 PM
You don't like my >>SPORTS<< opinions, therefore I'm a d-bag. You hate my pro MSU opinion so much that you're going to assume I'm a d-bag in real life. Good thing you have the importance of sports clearly defined in your head. I'm also glad that line of cyberspace and reality isn't blurred at all for ya. whew

How did you make it through high school? Are you really this clueless? I mean really? Unbelievable.

MoTown
08-13-2009, 08:47 AM
Yup, my opinion of you is based completely off the college team you cheer for.

bukdow
08-13-2009, 08:50 AM
Reading this story solidifies just what a slimeball Ed Martin and UM were, collectively. Utterly taking advantage of a kid in a terrible situation. I actually feel empathy for Traylor.

UM is an absolute disgrace. Hey Ed, why don`t you go down into the city and get us some fine basketball playin`negroes. You know the ones. Them that don`t have nothin`. Bring `em on up to the house and we`ll give `em a good meal as long as they are useful to us. Sure thing, boss.

What a shit-ass hypocritical institution. Trumpeting all of their liberal, elitest bullshit when in reality they were taking advantage of kids like Traylor worse than anybody. Truly, fuck Michigan.

Glenn
08-13-2009, 09:03 AM
Yup, my opinion of you is based completely off the college team you cheer for.


Hey, that's my line.