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Hornets/Bobcats in advanced talks on a Chandler-for-Okafor swap. ESPN.com latest: http://bit.ly/IWPe7


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo FUCK me!!!!!!!

WE GOTS TO GET IN ON THAT

why would charlotte do that? IF Okafor is getting traded this offseason, and if he doesnt end up here, im gonna be pissed...

what could charlotte get out of this

tAKE rIP. tAKE tAY. tAK'EM BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!

tAKE rIP. tAKE tAY. tAK'EM BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!
That was a joke, but hey, if Chandler is healthy enough to play, I'd send one (of Rip/Tay) to Charlotte and one to NO and take back both Okafor and Chandler.

gLAN, lARRY AND jORDAN CAN'T HEAR YOU

Yeah dude, "we" are not getting in on shit.

gLAN, lARRY AND jORDAN CAN'T HEAR YOU

Maybe not, but I'm hoping that Kstat can get the word to :KING:

All Charlotte gets is a decent replacement for one year. Purely a salary dump on their part. If all they want to do is dump salary I would think we'd be able to get in this somehow (sending Kwame to NO or Charlotte in the deal).

All Charlotte gets is a decent replacement for one year. Purely a salary dump on their part. If all they want to do is dump salary I would think we'd be able to get in this somehow (sending Kwame to NO or Charlotte in the deal).

if they really gonna dump Okafor for Chandler i want Joe D fired, the Pistons had EVERY opportunity to take on additional salary in a trade with all that capspace

If we had only kept our capspace. . .

Joe A beat me to it

Kwame + capspace 4 Okafor

Sources: Chandler-Okafor deal in works
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The Hornets and Bobcats are in advanced discussions on a trade that would send center Tyson Chandler to Charlotte in exchange for fellow big man Emeka Okafor, according to NBA front-office sources.

It was not immediately known if the teams are ready to complete the swap -- or if the deal would expand to include other players or teams -- but sources close to the process said talks featuring Chandler and Okafor as the main components have been ongoing since late last week.

Senior writer Marc Stein covers the NBA for ESPN.com.



other teams maybe involved, just sounds like these 2 could be the centerpiece of a deal, we can hope again the Pistons are involved! :D

if they really gonna dump Okafor for Chandler i want Joe D fired, the Pistons had EVERY opportunity to take on additional salary in a trade with all that capspace

Kstat's got his new challenger.

There are a few teams with trade exceptions too that can provide cap space. I wonder if a team like that gets in as the third team saving someone space.

Kstat's got his new challenger.
Lol
Stand by for "Okafor is damaged goods, I'll take CV any day"

Lol
Stand by for "Okafor is damaged goods, I'll take CV any day"

Or, "Suck my dick and make me a sandwich bitch!'

Okafor + West + CP3 is pretty nice

I fucking can't believe this.



Sources: Bobcats set to trade Okafor to Hornets for Chandler

Persons familiar with the deal say the Charlotte Bobcats are finalizing a trade that would send Emeka Okafor to the New Orleans Hornets for Tyson Chandler.

The swap of centers could be completed later Monday, two people told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because an official announcement has not been made.

The Bobcats will be giving up the only starting center in franchise history for Chandler, who has been plagued by a left toe injury. Chandler played in only 32 games last season and a trade to Oklahoma City was rescinded because of concerns over the injury.

The deal comes less than a year after Okafor signed a six-year, $72 million deal with the Bobcats.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basketball/nba/07/27/hornets.bobcats.ap/index.html?eref=si_nba

What do those of you that kept insisting that a deal like this "wasn't possible" have to say?

I want to break something.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u21/SuperGil_album/RageFace2.png

My mind is officially blown. I'm pretty sure I said at some point there was no way Okafor was getting traded (actually I think i said there was no way WE could get okafor, that's my defense... yeah i got nothing). F'ing Charlotte. We couldn't have used our capspace? MUTHAFUCKIN FUCKITY FUCK FUCK FUCK!

My mind is officially blown. I'm pretty sure I said at some point there was no way Okafor was getting traded (actually I think i said there was no way WE could get okafor, that's my defense... yeah i got nothing). F'ing Charlotte. We couldn't have used our capspace? MUTHAFUCKIN FUCKITY FUCK FUCK FUCK!

we could have used the capspace to get Chandler EASILY if Charlotte really deals Oka for Chandler, wow...speechless

wow. just WOW.

Charlotte can kiss their playoff hopes this season goodbye.

Why didn't OKC get in on this? They have the space to just take him.....something fishy here.

Why didn't OKC get in on this? They have the space to just take him.....something fishy here.
I'm sure it's not as black and white as the overreacting armchair GM's would believe. Saying "we shoulda got in on that" is a naive assumption that it was there for us.

What do those of you that kept insisting that a deal like this "wasn't possible" have to say?

I want to break something.
I hope no one ever said chandler for okafor wasn't possible. As far as Kwame goes, I doubt Charlotte wants anything to do with him vs chandler. I don't understand where exactly we come into this with nothing like chandler on our roster. What exactly do you wanna break and why?

I'm sure it's not as black and white as the overreacting armchair GM's would believe. Saying "we shoulda got in on that" is a naive assumption that it was there for us.

Why did you repeat me?

I hope no one ever said chandler for okafor wasn't possible. As far as Kwame goes, I doubt Charlotte wants anything to do with him vs chandler. I don't understand where exactly we come into this with nothing like chandler on our roster. What exactly do you wanna break and why?


Chandler was given away as a salary dump and handed back. His worth is his contract.

But he does have on the court value too. more than Kwame would to charlotte. They still have a shot blocker and rebounder down low. Which is what Brown prefers at Center.

Why did you repeat me?
"Something's fishy" was too boring.

But he does have on the court value too. more than Kwame would to charlotte. They still have a shot blocker and rebounder down low. Which is what Brown prefers at Center.

Kwame would put up 8-8-1 playing in NO.

But he does have on the court value too. more than Kwame would to charlotte. They still have a shot blocker and rebounder down low. Which is what Brown prefers at Center.

Chandler's court value is questionable now. The fact that he was turned away in trades to OKC and Phoenix due to his health is a huge question mark. I'm not saying that Kwame is worth more than Chandler but Chandler's value is probably 70/30 for his contract over his playing ability. If the Pistons had cap space and could have offered Kwame, a youngster, and/or a 1st, I'm guessing at this point Okafor would be a Piston.

Chandler was given away as a salary dump and handed back. His worth is his contract.
Actually, I don't see his contract as being all that valuable. He's got $12+ coming to him this year and a ETO for $13m+ next year that he's, of course, not going to exercise. Sure, he'll have an expiring deal in two years, but I don't see how that is more valuable than Kwame's current expiring deal and glorious cap room (:KING:),
especially if Tyson is as broken as the reports have made him sound. Failed OKC & PHX physicals.

This is puzzling all the around, to me. Charlotte just let N.O. off the hook, big time. They got a premium asset in exchange for something that they were having a hard time giving away.

I think they'll still have to shed some salary before the deadline, but worse case scenario, they'll certainly have an easier time moving Okafor again if it comes to that than they had moving Chandler. (if Oak stays healthy, which he has for the last 2 years, IIRC)

My pipe dream is that the "weirdness" of this involves Okafor being moved again (to us) in a separate deal, but I doubt it.

Well, Okey isn't considered a great deal, and that 2 is better than 4 I guess.

In all fairness to Joe (and something kstat will post):

On July 1st you can bet your left nut that Okafor was not being offered to us for Kwame, a youngster, a pick and cap space.

So Joe went and did what he did and here we are.

IF it comes out that Okafor was offered to Joe for Prince and Joe said no then you can go crazy - but I doubt such a report will ever exist.

And I don't think Joe would have offered Rip to Charlotte, at least not on July 1st. If we deal Rip who was gonna play SG?

By trading for Okafor we could have used the rest of our cap space for a PF, but then who plays SG?

Or would we have expanded the deal to include Raja Bell? Would he start next to Stuckey?

Man, what if games are fun and all that but what's done is done. We can't go back and change the stuff Joe has done this off-season. You don't know what deals were on the table or what Avery Johnson and JVG really wanted.

But anyway, on the possible bright side - this doesn't solve the Hornets' tax situation.

Maybe they might be looking to move David West?

Man, what if games are fun and all that but what's done is done. We can't go back and change the stuff Joe has done

Kinda like his drafts, huh? lol;jk

Maybe the Hornets are trying to show CP3 that they are still willing to win and are trying to quiet the bullshit trade rumor surrounding him.

But yes, this doesn't help, it actually worsens as Emeka's contract is longer...edit: or not...

Kinda like his drafts, huh? lol;jk

The difference with the Draft is that you have the pick already - what you do with it can change a franchise's course for years.

Just remember Darko over Bosh.

A missed trade opportunity that you never thought possible isn't the same, it's not even kinda the same.

Not 1 of us here thought Okafor would get dealt. We all thought they might let Felton walk, or deal Bell or some other player for next to nothing but Okafor?

I believe someone said something like "Why would LB give him away?"

Let's get real - This is an exchange of contracts. Charlotte wanna sell off the team and long-term big money contracts are not cool.

The Hornets wanna prove to everyone (including Chris Paul) that they can compete at the highest level as an organisation - not just as a basketball team. Everyone forgets that when Chris Paul's current contract ends he can tell them to fuck off.

They need to put something together that shows him they are serious about contending. Okafor + West at C/PF is pretty fucking serious.

And something not mentioned yet: Since the tax bills for every team over the threshold will be smaller this time around the money they would have got back for staying under it isn't much.

So getting under the tax threshold might not be the issue - the issue might be cutting excess fat to trim/tidy up the actual payroll.

Not 1 of us here thought Okafor would get dealt. We all thought they might let Felton walk, or deal Bell or some other player for next to nothing but Okafor?


Totally disagree. Look around and you'll find lots of discussion about Okafor being moved this summer. There was blood in the water in Charlotte (and New Orleans) and everyone knew it.

In fact, on July 1, I had "I want Okafor" as my sig, and I certainly wasn't alone. If even we knew he was gettable, then...

I'm reading a lot of "how would Joe even know that Okafor was available?" stuff (not just here, but elsewhere, too) and that really pisses me off. It's his job to know who is available. How did the Lakers know that Gasol was available? How did that turn out?

a trade like that doesnt fall out of the sky...a GM has to make a player available, and Okafor was available, you can't tell me Joe D didnt know about this at the beginning of the month...to me it sounded like Larry was trying to get rid of Okafor since the end of last season...

Not 1 of us here thought Okafor would get dealt. We all thought they might let Felton walk, or deal Bell or some other player for next to nothing but Okafor?
Ummmm, haven't I been throwing out Okafor deals for months?

Okay, Okafor and Chandler are off the table.
Crossing my fingers for Biedrins, maybe even Haywood.
We're really going into the season with Kwame, Wilcox, and Ben, aren't we?

Ummmm, haven't I been throwing out Okafor deals for months?

Okay, Okafor and Chandler are off the table.
Crossing my fingers for Biedrins, maybe even Haywood.
We're really going into the season with Kwame, Wilcox, and Ben, aren't we?

ive given up the hope for a bigmand-deal, i can't stay positive about that, Okafor dump is a downer^

We were all Z, but once we signed Gordon and V, and no new rumors but Boozer, guess it became unrealistic...and people lost hope

We were all Z, but once we signed Gordon and V, and no new rumors but Boozer, guess it became unrealistic...and people lost hope

Not everyone lost hope, but maybe we should have. This is from less than 2 weeks ago: http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15352

Okafor was exactly who I had in mind, personally.

LMAO - all of you "I want Okafor" dudes were praying that we could get him.

You didn't think it would happen - but you hoped like fuck that it could.

I even had a plan with Okafor in it - doesn't mean I expected him to be dealt. Same for Bosh.

IF Bosh got moved tomorrow you would sit there and bash Joe for not getting involved in the discussion.

And now there is evidence to suggest Okafor was available all off-season?

LMAO!

We had millions and millions of cap room, 4 draft picks, Kwame and Amir and AA yet Joe didn't wanna deal?

Maybe, just maybe Okagor wasn't available when we had all that cap space?

Maybe, just maybe Joe had his plan of what he could do and by doing it his way no one could match a contract or interfere with it?

Who knows? No one, or at least no one here.

But experts are everywhere and this is a message board so be my guest.

Oh, and when you're running an NBA team one day please remember the dude in Oz. And send the fucking plane for me and mine.

Who knows? No one, or at least no one here.

But experts are everywhere and this is a message board so be my guest.

Oh, and when you're running an NBA team one day please remember the dude in Oz. And send the fucking plane for me and mine.

Man, I expect Gutz to play that card, but not you.

Damn.

Its only a "card" to the people that have a habit of falling into the category.

By all means, we should never, ever question or doubt the great leader unless we have personally run an NBA team, and maybe not even then.

it still doesnt explain why Chandler could be had for a bag of chips (expiring contracts) half a season ago, and even some weeks ago(Big Ben for Chandler)...and all of the sudden Larry Brown decides to give up on Okafor and deal him for Chandler? the questions is when did make Charlotte Okafor available? and i highly doubt this did happen yesterday... still makes no sense

By all means, we should never, ever question or doubt the great leader unless we have personally run an NBA team, and maybe not even then.
Thats an extreme way to take it, now thats playing a card. You're a victim now of someone telling you not to question Joe D.? Not really. Phar is saying that as you question him, dont get bloated enough to overvalue your opinion of his moves as "expert".

Maybe a little extreme, but that shit always rubs me the wrong way. It's kind of like when athletes say that broadcasters or analysts' opinions don't matter because "they never played the game". o rly?

Fuck it, I'm grumpy.

The fact is that there are people here that get personally offended whenever someone questions or doubts Joe/the organization, and that is annoying. Like it's impossible to be both critical of the guy/his decisions and still not want him to be fired.

But I'm annoying too, so who cares, I guess.

I like okafor, but he was a loan player imo, and maybe thats why we didnt jump on it(if we even had a legit scenario to get him). He'll probably look to get paid elite Center money, and i dont think he deserves it personally. we didnt lose the Yao sweepstakes. Unless he gets traded and that'll be a new thread..lol

The fact is that Kstat gets personally offended whenever someone questions or doubts Joe/the organization, and that is annoying. .
fixed

Fucking hell, GD - you know me better than that.

AND you know that I would love to see Okafor here.

The "card" I did play was the "explain this shit to me" card.

I point to these questions as evidence:



We had millions and millions of cap room, 4 draft picks, Kwame and Amir and AA yet Joe didn't wanna deal?

Maybe, just maybe Okafor wasn't available when we had all that cap space?

Maybe, just maybe Joe had his plan of what he could do and by doing it his way no one could match a contract or interfere with it?

Who knows? No one, or at least no one here.

But experts are everywhere and this is a message board so be my guest.

Oh, and when you're running an NBA team one day please remember the dude in Oz. And send the fucking plane for me and mine.

The last part is what you focus on? That is my way of saying "none of us know what is being done behind closed doors."

I like okafor, but he was a loan player imo, and maybe thats why we didnt jump on it(if we even had a legit scenario to get him). He'll probably look to get paid elite Center money, and i dont think he deserves it personally. we didnt lose the Yao sweepstakes. Unless he gets traded and that'll be a new thread..lol

No disrespect, but he's the opposite of a loaner, he's locked up and very well paid, but appropriately so considering the lack of quality centers in the league. So he's not looking for anything other than what he's got, financially.

I like okafor, but he was a loan player imo, and maybe thats why we didnt jump on it(if we even had a legit scenario to get him). He'll probably look to get paid elite Center money, and i dont think he deserves it personally. we didnt lose the Yao sweepstakes. Unless he gets traded and that'll be a new thread..lol

i doubt we can get a better player at center than Okafor in the next 2-3 years...

Doubt Joe as you please, just saddle down spoiled "Joe D is on the edge of being fired" ideas. He's not Jesus, and its wrong to defend him like he is and to crucify him like he has to make moves at a messiah standard.

This is certainly unexpected IMO. Weren't both Charlotte and New Orleans expected to be trying to shed salary? I guess you just jump at this deal if you are NO. This does make charging full force after Gordon look bad. It also makes the "DO A DEAL WITH JORDAN BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING TERRIBLE!!11!!" position as rock solid as it's ever been.

i doubt we can get a better player at center than Okafor in the next 2-3 years...
Thats your opinion, I think its Nostradamus extreme.

The last part is what you focus on? That is my way of saying "none of us know what is being done behind closed doors."

I follow ya, but as I said that stuff touches a nerve with me and that's what stood out when I read your post.

No worries.

This is certainly unexpected IMO. Weren't both Charlotte and New Orleans expected to be trying to shed salary? I guess you just jump at this deal if you are NO. This does make charging full force after Gordon look bad. It also makes the "DO A DEAL WITH JORDAN BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING TERRIBLE!!11!!" position as rock solid as it's ever been.

The Gordon move will always look bad. ALWAYS. Even if by some miracle we get a big and win a ring. ALWAYS!

Bolded = great point.

Joe stole Rip - why wouldn't he try to steal away Okafor?

This whole deal makes no sense...

Except that Charlotte are for sale. And I'm guessing they wanted a big in return with a shorter contract just in case?

I don't think they would have taken Tay or Rip. Rip because of long-term money and Tay cause he's a SF and they have enough of them (Wallace, Diaw and even Bell).

It's weird, odd and rather amusing that this is the straw that broke Joey A's back after all these years.

Dude, this really ain't that bad. The Gordon move was way worse IMO.

The Gordon move will always look bad. ALWAYS. Even if by some miracle we get a big and win a ring. ALWAYS!

Bolded = great point.

Joe stole Rip - why wouldn't he try to steal away Okafor?

This whole deal makes no sense...

Except that Charlotte are for sale. And I'm guessing they wanted a big in return with a shorter contract just in case?

I don't think they would have taken Tay or Rip. Rip because of long-term money and Tay cause he's a SF and they have enough of them (Wallace, Diaw and even Bell).

It's weird, odd and rather amusing that this is the straw that broke Joey A's back after all these years.

Dude, this really ain't that bad. The Gordon move was way worse IMO.

:sas:

K W A M E

Glen - a lot of people are on edge lately. Might it have something to do with the utter fucking frustrating off-season?

It's all good man. Just remember that if I ever own an Aussie hoops franchise I'll be sending the private rowboat for you and your fam.

Yeah, why can't we do Kwame and RIP for Okafor and a crappy contract they have?

Didn't Screaming A actually say that any big was better than K W A M E?

Chris - I believe the long-term money is an issue

Which is why we could have taken back Diop or Diaw or any other long term deal they want to dump.

Yeah, why can't we do Kwame and RIP for Okafor and a crappy contract they have?

You know the answer to this.

Look - I just stated in the other thread this whole thing is just beyond my grasp right now.

I simply can not conjure up any reasonable scenario where Jordan calls Joe and says "You can have Okafor" and Joe says "Fuck you".

I just can't see it. There is no reason to turn down Okafor. NONE!

So why would he? To sign Ben Gordon and Nova? Surely not...

Don't worry, P, Kstat will explain it all for us.

Oh yeah, I'm a woman. Let's just get that out of the way up front.

http://www.82games.com/0809/FGSORT15.HTM

we lack a guy who can score around the basket, as seen in the link above, Okafor would have been pretty good for that too...

so does that mean Charlotte made Okafor available just about right now? what did change their opinion in him? why now? why not at the draft or beginning at FreeAgency?

Or included Tay instead of Rip. His contract is the same length as Chandlers, but a few million less. Tay and Kwame for Okafor and Diop would have cleared 2 of their long-term salaries for a guy that expires after this year and another that expires after next year.

I simply can not conjure up any reasonable scenario where Jordan calls Joe and says "You can have Okafor" and Joe says "Fuck you".
Who says Jordan made the calls? Maybe New Orleans called Charlotte and started working a deal.

Stop making trades that send Kwame Brown to Michael Jordan's team. Just stop.

Stop making trades that send Kwame Brown to Michael Jordan's team. Just stop.
Haha, I completely forgot about that. Ooph.

They'd be getting his contract, not the player, necessarily.

He could easily be moved again for another expiring, IMO.

So you want Jordan to take on his biggest failure to make more work for himself by trading his biggest failure for another guy with essentially the same contract?

Why wouldn't he just trade with someone else?

That's not to mention Rip Hamilton is also a Jordan failure. After Joe gets Jordan to take both Kwame and Rip, maybe he can get Jordan to join a book club with Jerry Reinsdorf.

Why wouldn't he just trade with someone else?
If he could find another serviceable center with an expiring contract then, sure. Who are some of those serviceable centers with expirings? Haywood? Wait, he's in Washington, MJ can't deal with them.

I'm having fun being facetious here.



That's not to mention Rip Hamilton is also a Jordan failure.

But...but...you are mentioning that, lol. If you operate under the assumption that he'll never touch Rip because he got better after he left Washington, then maybe I would concede that point.

If that is the case, and he's putting his ego ahead of what's best for his organization, then he's destined to fail at his job, anyways.

If that is the case, and he's putting his ego ahead of what's best for his organization, then he's destined to fail at his job, anyways.

Have you been alive the last ten years? There are many more reasons he's destined to fail at his job. And yes, he won't trade for both Rip and Kwame instead of Chandler, just one reason being his ego.

Maybe I just don't know MJ as well as you do?

SWIDT?

But thanks for handing Kstat his line of defense, lol.

ISWYDT

Official, btw


HORNETS ACQUIRE EMEKA OKAFOR FROM BOBCATS
Tyson Chandler sent to Charlotte

July 28, 2009

The New Orleans Hornets announced today that they have acquired center Emeka Okafor from the Charlotte Bobcats in exchange for center Tyson Chandler.

“Emeka is one of the premier centers in the NBA with All-Star caliber scoring and rebounding averages throughout his career,” said Hornets General Manager Jeff Bower. “His potential to improve is endless once you put him on the court running with Chris Paul. We appreciate what Tyson has done for our club in the past and wish him the best, but our intention this summer was to improve our team and this trade is definitely a positive move in that direction.”

Okafor (6-10, 235), a five-year veteran, has averaged a double-double his entire career, averaging 14.0 points, 10.7 rebounds and 1.9 blocked shots in 330 games over five seasons with the Bobcats. Last season, Okafor averaged 13.2 points, 10.1 rebounds and 1.7 blocks while playing all 82 games.

He ranked second in the NBA in offensive rebounds (3.4), fifth in rebounds, sixth in field goal percentage (.561) and 12th in blocked shots. Okafor was the second overall pick in the 2004 Draft and earned Rookie of the Year honors with averages of 15.1 points and 10.9 rebounds during his rookie season.

http://www.nba.com/hornets/news/HORNETS_ACQUIRE_OKAFOR.html

WTF? I still don't see why Chartlotte does this. If they are doing this to save money in 2 years that is plain dumb. They could just trade Okafor in another year for an expiring deal and have the better player this year. Stupid stupid move for Charlotte.

Now NO will be desparate to move a salary and get back under the tax level. They'll probably try to move Mo Pete or Daniels with a pick to a team with some space or a trade exception. I doubt they move West, but Joe should try anyway.

Hollinger overlooks his own PER:

http://queencityhoops.com/OkaforChandlerTrade.php


If you do not notice anything else, catch the net PER Chandler allowed: a 3.74 under expectations for his opponent. The best mark on the Bobcats this past season was Raymond Felton's 2.18, with Boris and Gerald both just over a 1. Emeka? 0.54.

More bigs? Who needs 'em?

:langlois:


Younger, bigger, sleeker. In a nutshell, that’s what Joe Dumars achieved with the wealth of assets he amassed – cap space and draft picks.

The Pistons were in danger of becoming an old team. Hamilton and Prince were the youngest of the core of veterans who took the franchise on its wild ride to six straight conference finals. Now they’re the two oldest players on the roster – though it’s possible that an old friend, Ben Wallace, will be signed to fill out the frontcourt.

As it stands now, the Pistons’ 13 players have an average age of 25. That makes them one of the youngest teams in the league.

They’ve added two 6-foot-11 players – Villanueva and Daye, and both of them have 3-point shooting ability – plus Wilcox, 6-foot-10, and two more rookies, Summers and Jerebko, who can play away from the basket.

Hollinger overlooks his own PER:

http://queencityhoops.com/OkaforChandlerTrade.php
I was saying much the same thing;

http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showpost.php?p=333599&postcount=14

Daye is anything but "big" at this point. Tall and big are two different things. Summers is bigger than Daye.

Notice that he specifically points out that "both of them have 3pt shooting ability". Of course they do.

I was saying much the same thing;

http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showpost.php?p=333599&postcount=14
:cogent: :cogent:

A double!

Vomit.

So has anyone worked out why the fuck the deal happened in the first place?

I've read everything from it being about money to articles where LB states Chandler was acquired for his actual on court ability (WTF?)

And Joe needs to spend whatever money he's made on a time machine, go back to the 2003 Draft and draft Chris Bosh and Josh Howard. Cause if he does that we're not sitting here this off-season freaking out about a frontcourt.

SWIDT?

And Joe needs to spend whatever money he's made on a time machine, go back to the 2003 Draft and draft Chris Bosh and Josh Howard.
??/Bynum
Hamilton/Howard
Prince/Howard
Bosh/Maxiell
??/Kwame
-Plus draft picks

We don't have the cap space for Gordon because that money would have gone to Bosh's current deal.
We don't have Villanueva because that money is on Howard's deal. We don't have Stuckey because he was acquired for Darko.
We don't draft 3 SFs with Prince and Howard on the books.

Obviously that's not how our roster would look. We probably don't trade Billups. We probably don't still have Prince AND Howard, and if we somehow did, Prince wouldn't be making as much since you could use Howard as leverage. Et cetera, et cetera. Everything changes.

But to simplify things, would you trade Stuckey, Villanueva, and Gordon for Howard and Bosh?

This will be fun to keep an eye on.


Chandler (4 games)
5.5 pts
7.2 rebs
.2 asst
.5 blk

Okafor (3 games)
13.8 pts
11.2 rebs
1.4 asst
2.4 blk

Like I said - why the fuck did Charlotte make the trade?

My fiance knows Okafor is the better player and she doesn't give a fuck about the NBA

Hornets are under .500, though... and that's with CP3 playing lights-out.

Like I said - why the fuck did Charlotte make the trade?

My fiance knows Okafor is the better player and she doesn't give a fuck about the NBA

Money, money, money, money, money.

This trade was about money for BOTH teams first and foremost. Chandler's contract is 2 years shorter, which is attractive since Johnson is trying to sell the Bobcats.

And even though Okafor is the better player, New Orleans doesn't do this trade if Okafor makes more money this year than Chandler (he makes about $1.5 million less).